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5 Questions with a Bucs fans who is NOT a troll

In light of the recent troll attack from some Bucs fans, I thought it appropriate that we have a nice chat with a Bucs fan who isn't a troll: JScott from SB Nation's Bucs blog, Buc'Em.
BigBlueShoe: It's been six years since Tony Dungy was fired from Tampa Bay? Do Bucs fans miss Tony D? Do they regret his firing and Jon Gruden's hiring?

JScott: I think for the most part Bucs Fans do miss Tony Dungy. I think we miss his charisma, attitude, and approach with the players. With that said, I personally do not miss his offensive approach to the game. His offense was so hard to stomach, thats what made firing him feasible for the Glazers.

As for regretting his firing and Grudens hiring: I don't regret the situation one bit. Granted Gruden won the Superbowl with Dungy's players, Dungy could NOT win the Superbowl with Dungys players. I would trade 10 years of losing for a Superbowl, Superbowl Championships are unmatched as I'm sure you now know. I'm sad Dungy couldn't enjoy it in Tampa, because he sculpted that team and breathed life into it and had Dungy still been here, I can honestly say John Lynch, Warren Sapp, and Dexter Carter would still be on this ball club. Dungy fought for his players and thats what I admired most about him. I'm glad his offense is gone though, he's having a much better go of it with Peyton, Marvin, and Reggie, huh?

BigBlueShoe: What do Bucs fans feel about Gruden now? He's done little to nothing since winning the Super Bowl with a team built and coached up by Dungy.

JScott: I wouldn't say Gruden's done little to nothing since the Superbowl, in '05 we were Division Champs with Chris Simms under center. I know outsiders and even some Buc Fans will laugh, but I think Gruden is a good coach, he has just had to deal with an unbelievable amount of injuries while down in Tampa. He's also had to deal with a GM that doesn't always bring in the best talent thats available (Gruden begged the Glazers for GM Bruce Allen, so its partially Grudens fault) and a GM who has let a ton of talent go. It's definitely a make or break season for Grudz though. This team is better than the (4-12) finish we put forth last season and he's got to make it into the playoffs this season to keep his job. I don't always agree with Gruden's play calling; especially his stubbornness to not implement the shotgun formation (Simms may have a spleen today if it wasn't for Gruden's stubborn nature), but the injuries he's had to sift through would hinder any coaches ability to consistently produce a contender.

BigBlueShoe: Jeff Garcia has really taken charge of the QB position. It seems only really veteran QBs can play well in Gruden's system (Gannon, Johnson, and now Garcia). Why is that, and do you think that's a good thing?

JScott: I'm not sure why that is, maybe it has to do with Grudens abundance of offensive schemes, ability to dig into his QB, and his lack of ability to adapt to a players attributes that would make him less susceptible to failure. For the long haul I don't think it's a great recipe for success. Garcia's 37 years old already, he's got two more years left tops, then he's gone and you gotta teach another QB the system. Although Gruden has had well documented success with older QB's, he did have partial success with a younger QB in Chris Simms, but the progression just wasn't there for Simms. It will be interesting to see if Gruden sticks around long enough to turn Gradkowski into a progressive QB.

BigBlueShoe: Were you happy to see Tony Dungy win a Super Bowl last year?

JScott: I was EXTREMELY HAPPY to see Dungy win a Superbowl last season. All the time and effort he had put into his job while down in Tampa and up north in Indianapolis had finally paid off. I was just as happy for Peyton Manning and Booger McFarland ..... Peyton because people said he couldn't win the BIG GAME and Booger because he's such a class act ...... Dwight Freeney is another story .....

BigBlueShoe: And finally, what's the biggest change for the Bucs this year other than their QB? Is it their defense? Running game? If so, why?

JScott: The biggest change for the Bucs other than having a leader at the QB position is the change in the Defense's mentality. The same parts are basically there on defense, minus the additions of Barrett Ruud, Tanard Jackson, and Cato June, but the team just plays differently. There's a passion on the field that wasn't there last season. I think it truly stems from the Offense and knowing that when the Defense gets off the field, more often than not the Offense is going to mount a fairly substantial drive. We didn't have that last season. We had a hodge-podge of an Offense last season and I think the Defense just felt entirely overwhelmed from game to game with the task of trying to win the game single handedly.

Sunday will be a great measuring tape to see how far we've come .... I can't wait to watch it.

Thanks to JScott for the chat. For a REAL Bucs fan's take on things, head over to Buc'Em.  

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What's he got against Dwight Freeney?
I've always thought Dwight was a pretty classy guy. And Gruden can't compare to Dungy, for many a reason.

by BSanders37 on Oct 5, 2007 1:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Bucs
I find it a little hypocitical that Bucs fans would be banned from this site, but web links are posted here to Buc web sites for Colt fans to troll there. What's up with that? What classifies a troll? Someone who doesn't root for the Colts or says they will lose on Sunday? Every week, fans from other teams come over to our many forums and talk doo doo and never get banned. I don't get it? What happens if the Bucs win? Does that mean I can't come back and rub it in? I know if the Colts win, our boards will be clogged with Colts fans giving it to us, they are already doing now!!!

by Bucsfan on Oct 5, 2007 3:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Banned Buc
If he/she had come over saying they were a Bucs fan and had posted rational arguments instead of vivid metaphors for how bad he/she thought the Colts run D was and simply saying the Colts would lose while pretending (poorly) to be a Colts fan, I don't think he/she would have been banned and would have disagreed with the banned if he/she had been

by shake n bake on Oct 5, 2007 5:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Troll
This classifies a troll: An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.

Source: Wikipedia

Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by BigBlueShoe on Oct 5, 2007 4:11 PM EDT   0 recs

that also sounds like the definition
of trash talking as well.

So whats the distinction, it seems to me like its a fairly fine line.

by Terry on Oct 5, 2007 4:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True
but I think grown-ups should be able to understand the difference. If your purpose is to express your disagreement, and you engage in a little trash talking in the process, that's one thing. If your purpose is only to upset people, and you have to disguise yourself to do it, that quite another thing.

It may be a fine line, but it's also largely common sense. But I guess these days common sense ain't so common....  

by ctnyc on Oct 5, 2007 6:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A main issue...
is that the knucklehead pretended to be a Colts fan from Indiana. It was so obvious that he was neither, and his arguments were blatantly provocotave and down right stupid. that defines a pure troublemaker.

I've never seen anyone banned here, and we definately get lots of people that root for other teams, and we wish they would bugger off, but aren't banned. It was obvious that guy was just here to make trouble.

If you love him, go to the Bucs site and send him flowers.

by will on Oct 6, 2007 1:11 AM EDT   0 recs

Too bad
I'm sure you wish other teams fans would bugger off. Would you also like the Colts to take the field by themselves? That would make the games fun, no competition. Get a backbone and stop whinning about negative comments!! I'm sure your board would be plenty of fun with everyone agreeing the Colts will win every week, life doesn't work that way and niether does the game. You have to line up against the competition and prove you are the best team every week. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. What a provocative concept! The Colt could lose a game? Oh no, what a trouble maker I am for just suggesting an undermanned Colts team could lose. If the Bucs win, why don't you go pick some flowers and send them to me.

by Bucsfan on Oct 6, 2007 10:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Huh?
Is there a point somewhere in there?

by will on Oct 6, 2007 8:00 PM EDT   0 recs

What's in your water
You said "we definately get lots of people that root for other teams, and we wish they would bugger off"

Then "that guy was just here to make trouble".

Then "go to the Bucs site and send him flowers"

Now read my post again.

That's my point

Is everyone high in your town?

 

by Bucsfan on Oct 6, 2007 8:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I should rephrase...
"I" wish other fans would not come here and spiel trash. You and your girlfriend have created so much eye pollution on here in the last few days that I'm feeling negative toward other fans.  But when I think about it, we have had courteous fans from other teams with intelligence and have enjoyed their debates.

I just can't understand why you are here. The game is between the Colts and Bucs, not the Colts fans and Bucs fans. I'm sure you can find lots of more intelligent people that are not Colts fans to discuss this with on a Bucs blog.

by will on Oct 6, 2007 10:55 PM EDT   0 recs

OK
I came to the board to talk to the fans of the team MY team is playing next. I hope to gain some insight from some knowlegable fans, maybe engage in some inteligent discusion. I have been to boards all over the country. From the Daily News in NY to Virginia Pilot ledger Star in Va. Most of the times my experiances have been great.
No offense, but most of the fans here are extemely defensive for having the best team in the NFL and defending Super Bowl champs. Some like King Richard have been dowm right rude from the get go without even mentioning anything concerning football. I get it, you guys don't like other fans and hate it when it's even implied your team might lose. Newsflash: They probably won't go undefeted, even if they win the SB again. Why not the Bucs?

by Bucsfan on Oct 6, 2007 11:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Clarify a JScott statement
JScott said (Gruden) "He's also had to deal with a GM that doesn't always bring in the best talent that's available".
The Bucs coaching staff has a lot of input to who the Bucs select in the draft and free agency. A power struggle led to the departure of GM Mckay. Until this past year the Bucs have drafted almost exclusively offense, Grudens specialty

Monte Kiffen also has a big say in defensive players selected. His Nebraska connection gave the team an inside track to Rudd.

Gruden and his staff should get alot of the credit and the blame for the Bucs personnel moves.

by Bucsfan on Oct 7, 2007 3:14 PM EDT   0 recs

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