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Simeon Rice is a Colt

Rice was tremendous in Tampa Bay, but is his shoulder healthy?
Adam Shefter, John Clayton, and AOL Fanhouse are all reporting that the Colts have claimed former Bucs and Broncos DE Simeon Rice off waivers (tip to metalmilitia). Rice was waived by Tampa Bay after a bitter breakup between Rice and Bucs management. He was picked up by Denver but did not seem comfortable in Denver's new defensive system. Denver waived him a few days ago.

Rice was born to play DE in a Dungy Tampa 2, and had some great years playing under Dungy when he coached there. Rice won a Super Bowl in 2002 with Jon Gruden as his head coach.

Now, he's in Indy, and the most obvious question is why? Is Dwight Freeney really THAT hurt? The Colts are calling it a foot sprain. Whatever. I'm not surprised if they called Rob Morris' injury a "knee bruise."

The other question is how did the Colts open a roster spot for Rice? Hey, maybe they cut Moorehead! Dare to dream, I guess.

This is the second time in two years that Bill Polian has made a move to get a former Buc from Dungy's tenure to Indy. Last year, it was Anthony "Booger" McFarland. Do not be surprised to see Rice playing a little DT in Indy. Health was the main issue with him in Tampa and Denver. But, if Polian signed him, it must mean he's shown them something.

Update [2007-11-13 8:59:53 by BigBlueShoe]: From styg50 in the comments:

Rice was great... but he is not 100% right now, in mind nor body. He is not overpowering anyone, because his shoulder is hurting him, and he simply isn't as fast as he used to be. I would assume he has a veteran's savviness, but I didn't see it while he was here in Denver.

Also, he insisted after he left that Denver wasn't playing him in the right position (RDE I believe), which isn't exactly true. He was rotated like everyone else on the line and played both ends depending on the package. He wasn't any more effective on one side than the other.

He is a unique player who could turn it around, and if the Colts are winning, maybe that is just what he needs.

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The indy star
has said, "Polian indicated Freeney could miss at least a month after injuring his left foot"

heres the link
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071112/SPORTS03/71112049/1058/SPORTS03

hopefully this isnt the case. im currently waiting for the official website of the colts to release polians radio show for this week.

by metalmilitia on Nov 12, 2007 9:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'd guess this is more of a
In Dungy we trust. Simeon is one of his guys from back in the day. Polian ison board for this one for sure but it was probably Dungy singing Rice's praises.

by shake n bake on Nov 13, 2007 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm
In Polungy we trust!  Or should it be, In Dungian we trust?
Go Colts!

by KingRichard on Nov 13, 2007 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dungian
It sounds like a philosophical/psychological system. I think I once knew a guy who was a Dungian analyst.

Not to be confused with a Florian ANALyst.

by ctnyc on Nov 13, 2007 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rgr that
It's settled then.
Go Colts!

by KingRichard on Nov 13, 2007 1:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, Freeney must really be hurt
if they're picking up that has been.

by Terry on Nov 12, 2007 9:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Your mom
Your mom is a has been Terry... but that doesn't stop me! ;)

by MasterRWayne on Nov 12, 2007 10:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

considering she's been dead for 10 years
I think that would be very tough to do

by Terry on Nov 13, 2007 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd Bet
If Freddy or Hagler is close to being back, that either Victor Worsley or Brandon Archer go back to the Practice Squad.

by MixFMKyle on Nov 12, 2007 10:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

great pick up
We really need the help on the D line. I watched Rice for years here in Tampa and I've always liked him. His ability to get off the line quickly was amazing. He was great while he was here but his health is an issue. I think he'll fit in well here and get a fresh start. This is big...

by WayneWayneJr on Nov 13, 2007 1:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rice was great...
but he is not 100% right now, in mind nor body.  He is not overpowering anyone, because his shoulder is hurting him, and he simply isn't as fast as he used to be.  I would assume he has a veteran's savviness, but I didn't see it while he was here in Denver.

Also, he insisted after he left that Denver wasn't playing him in the right position (RDE I believe), which isn't exactly true.  He was rotated like everyone else on the line and played both ends depending on the package.  He wasn't any more effective on one side than the other.

He is a unique player who could turn it around, and if the Colts are winning, maybe that is just what he needs.

If you can do all that for him (don't require power, don't require speed, don't ask him to play where he is needed, and win for him) than this is a pickup that could serve you well until Freeney gets healthy.

Otherwise, look out.  You don't need Rice's drama anymore than we did...

by styg50 on Nov 13, 2007 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Buyer Beware!
I hope you guys don't get burned by this pickup.  "Hot 97" is a little too hot to handle when he's cranky.  He was pretty cool when he first arrived in Denver, doing extra work in practice, one of the last to leave.

So Denver activated him for his first game.  He did nothing.  After the game it was revealed that his shoulder injury wasn't healed.  He swallowed his pride (a little bit) and admitted he might not have been 100%, but that strength was returning daily.  Denver deactivated him, and it was pretty much over at that point.  He made comments about how he was being paid $3mil to rehab, and that he didn't know what he was doing in Denver.  He set a terrible example for the young guys in our locker room, and even Lynch began maintaining his distance from Rice, apologizing for helping to bring Rice to town.  

I think Rice was perfectly within his rights to be upset with his lot, wanting to play and not being able to because younger guys and no-name free agents were able to beat him out in practice each week.  But the problem with Rice is he doesn't deal with those issues personally or between himself and the coach.  Rice makes a point of airing his thoughts out to the media, and taking his personal problems to the papers and reporters, as if trying to make it seem like it was less his fault.

After seeing Moss work out in NE and T.O. work out for DAL, I suppose anything is possible, and the Colts might be just the organization (and reuniting with Dungy, of course) to absorb a character like Rice and keep him happy.  I hope you're not, because I don't think it is a credit to your organization to be compatible with a guy like Rice.  

Here's to hoping you use him for the time being, get more out of him than Denver did, and dispose of him when you're done.  

Don't get burned by "Hot 97."

by styg50 on Nov 13, 2007 1:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Players Play
The fact is that when you look at "problem players", they're almost all inevitably on bad teams. Randy Moss was a cancer in Oakland. Now he's a legit MVP candidate in New England. TO took the Eagles to the Super Bowl, and had McNabb pull the rug out from under him in the 4th Quarter. So he goes to Dallas, and I don't think that you'll find anyone there that's complaining about it. It's the same idea everywhere. Guys like TO, Moss, and Rice need to have that Alpha Dog in the locker room. Moreover, they need to be on winning teams. Let's not forget that the Bucs have been pretty bad since their Super Bowl win.

So, let me be the first to say...

WELCOME TO CHAMPIONAPOLIS, SIMEON!

"Hey, if you want me to come here, I want to come here. But if you don't, I'm going to beat your butt for 15 years playing in the AFC." -Peyton Manning-

by MonkeyBusiness on Nov 13, 2007 3:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The difference...
with all those guys was they were healthy....Simeon really isn't.  It is a valid statement to say the Colts D is better, so the "pressure" on Rice should be less, so it won't take long to find out if he has anything left...

by John Bena on Nov 13, 2007 7:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

McNabb
Why does everyone hate McNabb? He didn't pull the plug on TO because TO went crazy when he was in Philly!

by MasterRWayne on Nov 13, 2007 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
TO was a cancer in Philly, and they jettisoned him. Any players that puts himself above the team is not worth the time of day, and TO is such a player.

Make no mistake, there are many Dallas players who do not like TO. But, since they are winning now, everything is rosy. However, when they start losing (and they will), you will see the rumblings and the grumblings. You'll see TO point fingers (as he's always done), and he will likely not finish his career in Dallas.

That's TO's MO: Selfish player who can kill a locker room.  

Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by BigBlueShoe on Nov 13, 2007 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...
Hell, in the one loss Dallas had this year T.O. spouted off about not being utilized and essentially threw Romo under the bus.

by John Bena on Nov 13, 2007 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no he didn't
he never threw Romo under the bus, actually T.O. has been nothing but a selfless, team player this season. He definitely is a changed man and as someone who follow the Cowboys very closely, you can really see it.

If you think T.O. is the same old selfish T.O., you're dead wrong.

by Terry on Nov 13, 2007 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

as usual BBS
you are totally dead wrong. T.O. is changed man and you'll be eating your words most definitely.

BTW, the Cowboys won't lose more than once this season, count on it.

by Terry on Nov 13, 2007 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you
Though I should point out that there is possibly a contradiction between your subject line and the meat of your comment.

I agree that "problem players" are all almost universally on bad teams.  But it is still their choice to be a problem.  The players have agents, a union, and their own common sense to help them make the proper decisions about when and where they play, and what kind of risks they are willing to take, with their mouths or with their contracts.  If you are on a bad team there are perfectly good remedies and situations, and to Simeon's credit he actually created a better remedy than already existed by forfeiting part of his guaranteed signing bonus, after Denver signed some new young DEs.

But what does it say about a "problem player" who has no driving force within them to be independently good, regardless of what others are doing?  In football I would say that it is a strong indicator that they have deeper concerns then their job (which may or may not be ok), and at worst it would indicate that they are second-handed psychologies.  I would classify TO as a second-hand life, living more through how he is perceived than who he thinks he is.  But he can change.  Moss can change.  They may already have.  The test isn't when they are succeeding, but when the pressure is back on.

I don't know what to make of Rice.  But I do know it will be real easy to find out.  If he can produce and be effective for IND, than he isn't a liar.  You need to listen closely if he talks about his injury and his performance (or lack thereof).  And then watch.

I stand by my assessment that the Colts do not want to be the best friend of Rice, but merely a (hopefully temporary) employer.  He says he was humbled by going to waivers.  I don't believe him.  He said he was humbled by being cut by TB too, and eventually he got over it, if he was ever humbled at all.

by styg50 on Nov 13, 2007 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

got him on the cheap
my understanding is Rice signed for the veteran minimum, so he must really want to play, and he had his best years with Dungy, so it really isn't a reach.. I don't know if this is entirely due to Freeney's injury.. we are thin at the defensive line, and when he came available, it may have been something Dungy and Polian was worth the risk with that kind of cheap price tag.

Listen rice played in Arizona for years, and on a bad bucs team i there wasn't really anything from him the the national press the way we heard from TO or Moss in behaviour and mouthing off

and honestly do you think Dungy would accept a player he thinks has an attitude problem? He knows Rice...

so i'd say its worth the risk.. if nothing else we cut him when freeney is back healthy, but he may be so happy to be somewhere where there is a serious chance of another ring it isn't an issue.

by bluegirl on Nov 13, 2007 11:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Affordable
isn't the problem with Rice, though I like to see him take the pay cut.  He truly isn't concerned with money.  Yet.  The problem is that he is taking up a roster spot for you guys.  When your WRs get healthy and Freeney returns, it is going to get awfully crowded, and I guarantee that the chance at a ring won't prevent him from being a lockerroom problem if he gets deactivated.

Plus it is potentially huge that he is returning to play under his former coach.  While I don't believe Dungy would take a flyer on an attitude problem (unfortunately I don't have the same kind of faith in Shanahan), and I don't believe Rice is even remotely close to a T.O. caliber problem, his comments about being humbled disturbed me.  It is essentially the same thing he said when he came to Denver but he worded it much differently.  He worded it in the perfect way for Dungy to tune into it.  And he is familiar with Dungy.  I wonder if he isn't saying exactly what he thinks Dungy wants to hear.

And I just don't know about it being worth the risk.  He had little impact, good or bad here in Denver, but left a trail of "What ifs?"  What if we had someone else playing who may have been productive?  What if he had a negative effect on our multitude of young players?  What if his comments to the media were having a negative effect on how the team was getting along?  At best, we wasted a little money and time.  At worst we may have wasted money and time we desperately needed to get off to a good start this year.

With 2 losses back to back, and the second one coming in the midst of a great game by Manning, the Colts are not in a position to absorb the psychological strain that is a worst-case-for-Rice-scenario.

by styg50 on Nov 13, 2007 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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