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Manning's play this year

Quietly dominating the NFL.
I want to take a second and pimp Stampede blue contributor shake n bake's new blog: Shake'N'Baken. Shake is, I believe, the third Stampede Blue contributor to start their own blog along with Chris at Big Cat Country and jdb at Charle Weis Ate My Baby. When Stampede Blue first started, there were virtually no Colts-dedicated blogs. There was no fan voice shouting back at the hacks and morons who stated repeatedly that Peyton Manning was a loser and Tony Dungy was too "nice" to coach NFL players. Now, a crop of high-quality Colts blogs have popped up in the last two years. Hopefully, shake can stick it out and provide Shake'N'Baken with some great content. Just don't forget about us here, shake!

So, I was in my apartment last night last night drinking (alone) and pondering the universe (and how hard Bob Sanders could hit it). It then occurred to me that I'm just sick of talking about the damn Patriots. I search through the web, looking for Colts stories and all I see are Belichick v. Mangini, Spygate II, and a potential 16-0 regular season. It's nauseating. So, to put my mind right, I went to NFL.com and looked at some stats for Peyton. I expected to see a blot or stain when this season is compared to previous. Instead, I think this season rivals last season as one of Peyton's best.

Many claim the 2004 season was his greatest, and numbers-wise it was. But for me, last season was the best Peyton ever played. He dominated New England in both match-ups, came from behind twice against the Jets, and put up great performances against the Giants, Bengals, and Washington. He carried the Colts last year, with little to no help from his defense until the playoffs. He also had to up his game because Edge was gone. He was helping a rookie RB develop (Addai) and getting familiar with a new starting RB (Dom Rhodes). It was a truly great season for Peyton, and one that gets a bit overlooked. It's a season known more for him finally winning the Super Bowl and not necessarily for him kicking ass and taking names.

This season, Peyton has truly cemented his legacy, despite what idiots like Jeremy Green say. A moron will say "See! Peyton is ordinary without Marvin Harrison."

Really? Since when did ordinary get defined as 27 TDs, 13 INTs, and a QB rating of 97.0? That's ordinary!

When you factor in that Manning has had to work with a rookie LT (who missed several games), a myriad injuries at receiver, and new running backs like Kenton Keith it's damn near a miracle he's thrown 27 TDs. Also, factor in all the drops, WR miscues, and other things. I think we've seen more dropped passes this season than any other. Kenton Keith alone is a lowlight reel example of Mr. Stone Hands.

But regardless of all this turnover and all the injuries, Manning has still played at a dominant level. And I can assure you, he will look to the playoffs as the place where he will assert his dominance when his offense comes back healthy and ready. With Gonzo's emergence and the eventual return of Marvin Harrison (yes, he is coming back folks), Peyton has many weapons at his disposal.

The NFL better watch out, because it's coming.
 

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game against SD
To add to your point.....if you take out the game against SD, he would have something like 25 TDs and 7 int

So the game in SD is what brings his stats way down, which doesn't really explain much since it was one game, plus the one int came as time expried....

by rchun044 on Dec 14, 2007 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

First of all, Thanks
Now I'm going to compare Manning's current season to the previous seasons of an anonymous "QB B"

Completion %:  Manning 64.2%.  QB B has never finished a season with a completion % above 64%

Yards: Peyton is on pace for 4133 yards. QB B has only one 3800+ yard season before this year and threw for 4110 yards that year, less than Peyton's current pace.

TDs: Manning 27 in 13 games  QB B has thrown for less TDs in 4 of his last 6 full seasons, the other two he threw for 28TDs

INTs: Manning 13   QB B has three 14 INT seasons,
his other 3 he threw 12

Yards per attempt   Manning 7.9  QB B's best season is 7.8  and has 7.2Y/A for his career.

If this season for Peyton means he is an ordinary Quarterback then "QB B" was clearly a below average player over the last six years.

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by shake n bake on Dec 14, 2007 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

can you guess the identity of this
"underperforming" QB?
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by shake n bake on Dec 14, 2007 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Argument
One of the silly arguments made is that the reason QB B is having such a great season is he finally got "real" receivers. It's a stupid argument because QB B always had guys like Deion Branch, David Patton, Daniel Graham and others catching passes. Branch is a Super Bowl MVP, Patton was a very good player n his prime, and Graham is a good TE. QB B has always had good receivers, except for last year. Last year was the one season where his receivers (Caldwell) just plain sucked.
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by Brad Wells on Dec 14, 2007 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought u were talking about Brady.
Sorry.
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by Brad Wells on Dec 14, 2007 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

BBS, you got to be kidding me?
I thinks its a joke that you say Branch, Patton, Graham were very good. Its actually laughable. Those WRs suck BBS and you know it.

This season is the first season Brady actually had good receivers. Its simply a fact you choose to ignore. A guess you're going to say David Givens was good too. LOL!

BTW, you could actually make an argument that Jeremy Green's comment about Manning was a compliment because Manning has put up such great numbers over the years, 27 TDs 13 INT and 97 a QB rating is ordinary for him. If you're saying he's just another qb, then it is criticism.

by Terry @ Stampede Blue on Dec 14, 2007 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep...
manning has been great this year despite the one half (well, 1 .5 qtrs) vs the Chargers. He has forced the ball a bit more this year than he has recently but still, it has been a great year.

I don't know if there is another qb who could be having the season he has if they had to deal with the same injuries and all the dropped passes. That is one thing people (well non colts fans) forget...the colts are one of the teams with the most dropped passes this year.

Brady has had a great year (albeit slightly overrated cuz of the 4th qtr stat padding and with Moss saving his ass on so many bad throws) and clearly shows what he can do with some good WRs but IMO Manning is clearly showing he is the better guy. He's played with less (anyone who thinks crapho, gonzo [at least right now], moorehead, etc are better than pats WRs in the past is nuts) yet his numbers right now are BETTER than what Brady has ever done.

Does anyone truly think Brady would be having the year Manning is having with guys like moorhead, utecht, fletcher, etc? Please.

But hey, what do I know...I actually look at the numbers and think logically and Manning's supposed "off/avg" year is better than all of Brady's previous years.

by Rob L on Dec 14, 2007 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Brady's Receivers
One of the things that seems to be lost in the Brady-Manning debate is that New England decided on the receivers that Brady had.  If you are going to build a team, you must have complementary parts.  Apparently, the Colts management decided that they would pay the necessary money to keep top tier receivers and New England's didn't.  Who's fault is that?  On top of that, NE's offense was never based on pass, it was based on run.  Now they have decided to base it on the pass.  NE fans have been more than willing to use those 3 Super Bowls as a test of which QB is better.  They have always been envious of Manning for actually having to try (and succeeding) to win games with a less than stellar defense and how Manning has won games by actually scoring touchdowns instead of field goals.  We will see how the season works out.

By the way, I wonder if anybody heard the conversation between Brady and Belicheck when Brady went out for that final drive in the AFC title game last year.  It went like this:

Brady:  What yard line do you want me to get the ball to so Adam can kick the game winning field goal?

Belicheck:  Um, Tom, we need a touchdown and were not tied, were behind!!

Brady:  Yikes, Coach, I've never had to score a touchdown to win a big game.  I think were in trouble.  This is the first time when I've had to try to score a TD or we lose the game.

Belicheck:  Don't worry Tom.  Were covered.  When you fail, we'll just blame it on our crappy receivers and we'll try to find some next year that will make you look like you knew what you were doing all along.

by Blueisgood on Dec 14, 2007 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

ummmmm...
I really hope your joking..your post is actually pretty funny.."Brady:  Yikes, Coach, I've never had to score a touchdown to win a big game.  I think were in trouble.  This is the first time when I've had to try to score a TD or we lose the game."  That is quite funny since Brady has won 25 (TWENTY FIVE) games when the score was tied or the Pats were trailing in the 4th quarter...Sooo big games or not ( which by the way is kinda stupid and talking like a "homer") since every game is considered a "big" game by the players -- I would assume every player wants to win every week..I bet the Colts considered the games against the Chargers and the Pats this year pretty "big". I blame nothing on the caliber of the Pats receivers..Brady has won three Super Bowls with a mix and match of great defense and Medocre receivers...any wide receiver in the NFL has to be half way decent to be on the field anyway.The Pats lost last year because Indy was the better team. Their defense was younger and quicker and the Pats defense couldn't stop one of the most prolific offenses in the NFL history. Manning is a great quarterback and he has always had Harrison to catch his passes, that takes nothing away from Manning..he'd find a way to win just like he is this season no matter who is the receiver. Brady is similar, he has always had Troy Brown ( a good veteran receiver) to catch his passes , if not Brown then someone else -- P.S. I am in no way comparing Harrison and Brown, just pointing out two receivers who have "helped the QBs along the way. Brady has found ways to win big games, as Manning has. I think that players are as good as the team around them.  Look at Favre's resurgence for proof of that, wasn't he going to retire last yr??? The same mantra the Colts and the fans take on today is the same mantra the Pats took on for years before Kraft did some early xmas shopping -- the disrespect, underestimating, "this is the week" they lose or get exposed card.  It's great for football, it makes the games some of the best ever played, and it makes for some great trash talking. Keep up the good work here and I'll keep reading.
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." Sun Tzu

by OneMore on Dec 14, 2007 8:23 PM EST reply actions  

I think you missed the joke...
"I really hope your joking..your post is actually pretty funny.."Brady:  Yikes, Coach, I've never had to score a touchdown to win a big game.  I think were in trouble.  This is the first time when I've had to try to score a TD or we lose the game."  That is quite funny since Brady has won 25 (TWENTY FIVE) games when the score was tied or the Pats were trailing in the 4th quarter..."

I think what he was saying is that Brady never HAD to throw a TD to win the game, all he had to do was get in range for Vinatieri to kick the winning FG.

Not saying it's right, but I just thought you might want to read it over again.  Just a joke, anyway.

by DallyDrake on Dec 14, 2007 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

terry
Jeremy greens assesment of manning has nothing that could back it up. 27 td's and still with three games left will easily turn to 30+ so manning would still have manning numbers. also, though i agree that givens, patten, and branch werent that great, they are better than most receiving corps. they sure are far superior to aaron moorhead, craphonso thorpe (even though i like crap)and ben utecht. sure wayne may be there but teams already know to double him

by metalmilitia @ Stampede Blue on Dec 14, 2007 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

Pats' WRs
The Pats and the Colts take a fundamentally different approach to how they stock their teams. The Pats, up until very recently, have been a defensive run-oriented team. That means you need a good, veteran defense, a good running game, and WRs that are just good enough to keep the other team honest. The Colts have been predicated on an offensive pass-oriented team. They need playmakers at the skill positions, excellent protection, and a defense that can keep the other team from scoring.

The two philosophies are pretty much completely opposite. The Colts have to place much more stock in the draft than the Patriots do, because whiffing on a first round pick would be disastrous. Moreover, they rely on the later rounds for so many of their starters, even very late round picks can become critical. The Patriots use the draft to bring in future talent. They rely more on free agency and trades to bring in veteran players, and rely on clubhouse chemistry to keep it all together.

Moreover, you can't use the "Brady has never had Colts-caliber WRs" argument, because neither of them had anything to do with it. Marvin was there before Peyton was, and the Pats have always had a revolving door at WR. You build a team based on your philosophy, and on your available pool of talent. Franchise WRs are like franchise QBs and RBs: if they hit the market, there's usually a reason.

"Hey, if you want me to come here, I want to come here. But if you don't, I'm going to beat your butt for 15 years playing in the AFC." -Peyton Manning-

by MonkeyBusiness on Dec 14, 2007 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

The Patriots fans
have been very cordial and enjoyable to interact with on here as of late. It's probably easier to do while they are so dominant (though someone should explain that to Bill) than after coming short like last year. Probably the hostilities we're used to experiencing from them were bitter lashbacks from that experience. Now they can enjoy things again and be kind from the top.

Who knows why, but they have removed some of the bitter edge in me by their objectivity lately, even at times when some of us have lacked it. Of course, I've long stopped reading bogus forums like PatsPulpit, so that probaly helps.

Bottom line, I understand how they feel now. Winning it all does not quench the thirst. You want it more than ever. That's why that playoff loss hurt them so much last year. There's no way anyone says," We've won enough lately, so that's okay. We're glad they get their turn now."

The proof lies with us. Most Colts fans I know, including me, wanted to win badly and were heartsick by the shortcomings. We hated the Patriots beating us, but respected the fact that they were a great team. Now that we've beaten them more lately, particularly the playoffs last year, we dislike them more than ever and hate the losses more than ever. Winning never satisfies, does it?

We will go down in history as the two greatest teams of this era, with the two greatest coaches and the two greatest QBs. What a great rivalry!

by coltsfanawalt on Dec 14, 2007 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

Good comment!
:)
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by Brad Wells on Dec 15, 2007 6:39 AM EST up reply actions  

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