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Difference makers and the Broncos

Is Denver's John Lynch still a difference maker?
I got to spend some time last night on MHR Radio, Mile High Report's podcast. They had some technical issues, but after all that got sorted out TheSportsGuru got to asking me some questions about the Colts and their upcoming Sunday game with his Denver Broncos.

One nugget that got discussed was who are the difference makers on both teams. I think it's fairly easy to identify the Colts' difference makers: Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Freeney, Sanders, and Vinatieri. A difference maker is someone who is not just good or even great but someone who, because of some special quality, makes a significant difference in the game. It doesn't necessarily have to do with talent. While Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and Freeney are are first round picks, Jeff Saturday was an undrafted rookie in 1999. Bob Sanders was a second round pick, and Adam Vinatieri played in NFL Europe before coming to the Patriots in the early 1990s. Speaking of Patriots, Tom Brady is certainly a difference maker. He was a 6th round pick because many people, including the Patriots themselves, did not think he was that talented. Truth be told, he isn't. But what he does have is that special something, that difference maker quality. Brady isn't as talented as Vince Young, Donovan McNabb, or even Rex Grossman (yes, I said Rex Grossman). But Tom Brady does have a special quality (confidence, sixth sense, intelligence, focus, etc.) that makes him a truly great player. Talent doesn't always equal greatness.

That said, TheSportsGuru and I talked about the difference makers for the Broncos. Jason Elam is certainly a difference maker. Champ Bailey, no question. Jay Cutler certainly has shown potential as a difference maker. The Broncos have won two very close game this year already, and Cutler has shown a confidence the seems very Brady-like. I don't know if that's true, or if I'm biased because ole Jay is a Hoosier boy from Santa Claus, IN.

TheSportsGuru said John Lynch is also a difference maker, and I disagreed with him somewhat. Lynch used to be a difference maker, but I think age and time have worn him down. I'm actually amazed he has lasted this long and played consistently this well. TheSportsGuru stated that Lynch's injury last week against the Jaguars was a major reason why Jacksonville found their running game. With Lynch, Denver is good at stopping the run. Without him, they resemble the regular season Colts from last year.

Ok, maybe not that bad, but you get the point.

I'm not sure I agree with TheSportsGuru's take, but there's no logical reason to doubt it. He knows his Broncos better than I do. If he's right, and if John Lynch doesn't play, then expect a healthy dose of Joseph Addai, Kenton Keith, and maybe Clifton Dawson. I don't know if Denver's new defensive coordinator, Jim Bates, is improving Denver's defense or not. Last year, I thought their defense was good but seemed to lack any pass rushing threats. This year, they have some new players that appear to have good pass rushing skills; guys like Jarvis Moss, Elvis Dumervil, and Simeon Rice. Both Dumervil and Moss are listed second and third on the depth chart though. So, I don't know what that is about. Polian raved about Dumervil on his radio show Monday.

It's actually very hard to get a good read on the Broncos now because, like many teams, they are still trying to figure out what kind of team they are. The dynamic of things is very different in Denver now. With Jake Plummer and Al Wilson gone, there seems to be a void in leadership and identity. Yet, despite this void, they are 2-1. So, Denver is a bit of an enigma now both to us and to their fans.

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Actually, no
I left him off on purpose, along with Dallas Clark. I know your feelings on Clark, but Addai is not quite a difference maker. Not yet. He can certainly become one, and might be well on his way. But I'm just not 100% certain.
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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 27, 2007 11:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know
your offense certainly wouldn't be as good without Addai, thats for sure. I think he has the potential to be as good as the Edge in his prime, and I would certainly call the Edge a difference maker when he played for the Colts, no doubt.

by Terry on Sep 27, 2007 1:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

As much as I like Addai....
Almost every running back in the league is replaceable.  Granted, we couldn't do it from within our current roster.  But, we replaced Edge in 1 year and with a late 1st round draft pick and didn't miss a beat.  We could do the same with Addai if we needed to.  A difference maker in an offense brings a unique quality that can't easily be replaced.

You are throwing around the label "difference maker" as frivolously as you use the term "greatness" at the QB position.

by rudy0498 on Sep 27, 2007 1:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you underestimate the talents
of a really good RB. You're wrong about being able to replace a really back so easily, thats not true.

Addai reminds me a lot of the Edge as he can do everything so well. Not too many backs have that skill set.

thats like saying any wr can be replaced easily, when in fact the truly special ones cannot.

by Terry on Sep 27, 2007 2:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You forget ...
we have a competitive advantage in drafting RBs... Bill Polian.

We can replace him. Your shitty team couldn't.

by PaytonMenning on Sep 27, 2007 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, you're team must be shittier
since we're better and kicked your ass.

by Terry on Sep 27, 2007 9:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good old Terry
Nothing substantive to say, like usual.

by PaytonMenning on Sep 27, 2007 11:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not fair...
Terry has a good point here. I think Addai IS already a difference maker. If he goes down this year the Colts are done. Any back we would draft for next year wouldn't likely pick up the offense quickly enough.

How many other players could we lose that would trash the season?

Peyton Manning. Bob Sanders probably. We'd do okay if Freeney went down. We could probably survive the loss of either Harrison or Wayne. I think Clark is more important than either one of those guys-he's the blue collar pipe wrench guy in the middle.

by will on Sep 28, 2007 4:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Losing ...
Addai would probably trash the season - but by next season, Polian could probably find a way to replace him.

After all, this is the guy who brought us Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, and now Joe.

by PaytonMenning on Sep 28, 2007 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

being from Tampa...
I remember watching Lynch every game when he was here. He was a monster and by far, a fan favorite. When the Bucs let him go because he was "too old", there was an uproar. I still think a lot of people resent John Gruden down here....

I never liked the guy in the first place.

by WayneWayneJr on Sep 27, 2007 12:49 PM EDT   0 recs

the guy meaning Gruden
...

by WayneWayneJr on Sep 27, 2007 12:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Gruden
You're right. He's garbage. He won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team, and then drove that team right into the ground. Many current and former Bucs have said that team would have won it all in 2002 even if Dungy we retained. Very few players seem to like Gruden, who is coaching for his job.

As a coach, Gruden is decent. As a GM, he is incompetent.

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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 27, 2007 2:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dawson
The Colts add Clifton Dawson, the source: The Star.

Clifton says "I'm just really happy to be back with Indianapolis."

by Bullard47 on Sep 27, 2007 2:44 PM EDT   0 recs

Brady is not talented
I think that is like saying the BBS is not opinionated....

Simply a ridiculous statement.

by Burt Doyle on Sep 28, 2007 5:29 AM EDT   0 recs

Hooked on phonics
Ok, I don't mean to bash you too much here, but please go back and RE-READ what I wrote, because clearly you misinterpreted what was written, or you just have trouble reading the English language.

Nowhere does it say "Tom Brady isn't talented." That's what you are saying. The statement actually reads: "He was a 6th round pick because many people, including the Patriots themselves, did not think he was that talented. Truth be told, he isn't. But what he does have is that special something, that difference maker quality. Brady isn't as talented as Vince Young, Donovan McNabb, or even Rex Grossman (yes, I said Rex Grossman). But Tom Brady does have a special quality (confidence, sixth sense, intelligence, focus, etc.) that makes him a truly great player. Talent doesn't always equal greatness."

All NFL players have talent, but Tom Brady doesn't have Vince Young's strength, Donovan McNabb's quickness, or even the arm strength of Rex Grossman. He does have something else though, and it isn't tangible.

I think everyone understood what I meant there, except you. If you're fishing for something, cast a better line next time.

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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 28, 2007 7:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

keep in mind BBS
talent can't always be measured by strength and speed. Intangibles can make a person very talented.

BTW, Brady has a pretty strong arm, every bit as strong as Manning's and I bet he beats Manning in the 40 as well. So while you're saying Brady isn't talented, keep in mind his measuables, that you're basing your definition of talent on, is just as good as Manning's.

by Terry on Sep 28, 2007 11:05 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Talent
If you are including intangibles as part of "talent," I agree with you. However, I left them out of this discussion. Talent is indeed tangible. Intangibles aren't because... well, they're intangible.

And no Terry, Tom Brady does not have a stronger arm than Peyton Manning. That said, Brady does indeed have a good arm, and he has always thrown a great deep ball. Remember a few years ago when people start questioning Brady's deep ball throwing. WTF was up with that?

And I think Manning beats his 40 time. And if they ever raced, Manning would still win... by a forehead. ;)

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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 28, 2007 11:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well, if you are correct
it isn't by much at all, thats for sure.

Brady and Manning are very similar QBs, great pocket passers who can manuver within the pocket, very intelligent, but very unathletic and slow.

by Terry on Sep 28, 2007 1:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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