Difference makers and the Broncos
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One nugget that got discussed was who are the difference makers on both teams. I think it's fairly easy to identify the Colts' difference makers: Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Saturday, Freeney, Sanders, and Vinatieri. A difference maker is someone who is not just good or even great but someone who, because of some special quality, makes a significant difference in the game. It doesn't necessarily have to do with talent. While Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and Freeney are are first round picks, Jeff Saturday was an undrafted rookie in 1999. Bob Sanders was a second round pick, and Adam Vinatieri played in NFL Europe before coming to the Patriots in the early 1990s. Speaking of Patriots, Tom Brady is certainly a difference maker. He was a 6th round pick because many people, including the Patriots themselves, did not think he was that talented. Truth be told, he isn't. But what he does have is that special something, that difference maker quality. Brady isn't as talented as Vince Young, Donovan McNabb, or even Rex Grossman (yes, I said Rex Grossman). But Tom Brady does have a special quality (confidence, sixth sense, intelligence, focus, etc.) that makes him a truly great player. Talent doesn't always equal greatness.
That said, TheSportsGuru and I talked about the difference makers for the Broncos. Jason Elam is certainly a difference maker. Champ Bailey, no question. Jay Cutler certainly has shown potential as a difference maker. The Broncos have won two very close game this year already, and Cutler has shown a confidence the seems very Brady-like. I don't know if that's true, or if I'm biased because ole Jay is a Hoosier boy from Santa Claus, IN.
TheSportsGuru said John Lynch is also a difference maker, and I disagreed with him somewhat. Lynch used to be a difference maker, but I think age and time have worn him down. I'm actually amazed he has lasted this long and played consistently this well. TheSportsGuru stated that Lynch's injury last week against the Jaguars was a major reason why Jacksonville found their running game. With Lynch, Denver is good at stopping the run. Without him, they resemble the regular season Colts from last year.
Ok, maybe not that bad, but you get the point.
I'm not sure I agree with TheSportsGuru's take, but there's no logical reason to doubt it. He knows his Broncos better than I do. If he's right, and if John Lynch doesn't play, then expect a healthy dose of Joseph Addai, Kenton Keith, and maybe Clifton Dawson. I don't know if Denver's new defensive coordinator, Jim Bates, is improving Denver's defense or not. Last year, I thought their defense was good but seemed to lack any pass rushing threats. This year, they have some new players that appear to have good pass rushing skills; guys like Jarvis Moss, Elvis Dumervil, and Simeon Rice. Both Dumervil and Moss are listed second and third on the depth chart though. So, I don't know what that is about. Polian raved about Dumervil on his radio show Monday.
It's actually very hard to get a good read on the Broncos now because, like many teams, they are still trying to figure out what kind of team they are. The dynamic of things is very different in Denver now. With Jake Plummer and Al Wilson gone, there seems to be a void in leadership and identity. Yet, despite this void, they are 2-1. So, Denver is a bit of an enigma now both to us and to their fans.
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Actually, no
by BigBlueShoe on
Sep 27, 2007 11:50 AM EDT
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I don't know
by Terry on
Sep 27, 2007 1:07 PM EDT
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As much as I like Addai....
You are throwing around the label "difference maker" as frivolously as you use the term "greatness" at the QB position.
by rudy0498 on
Sep 27, 2007 1:46 PM EDT
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you underestimate the talents
Addai reminds me a lot of the Edge as he can do everything so well. Not too many backs have that skill set.
thats like saying any wr can be replaced easily, when in fact the truly special ones cannot.
by Terry on
Sep 27, 2007 2:27 PM EDT
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You forget ...
We can replace him. Your shitty team couldn't.
by PaytonMenning on
Sep 27, 2007 8:18 PM EDT
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yeah, you're team must be shittier
by Terry on
Sep 27, 2007 9:24 PM EDT
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Good old Terry
by PaytonMenning on
Sep 27, 2007 11:00 PM EDT
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Not fair...
How many other players could we lose that would trash the season?
Peyton Manning. Bob Sanders probably. We'd do okay if Freeney went down. We could probably survive the loss of either Harrison or Wayne. I think Clark is more important than either one of those guys-he's the blue collar pipe wrench guy in the middle.
by will on
Sep 28, 2007 4:56 AM EDT
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Losing ...
After all, this is the guy who brought us Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, and now Joe.
by PaytonMenning on
Sep 28, 2007 12:25 PM EDT
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being from Tampa...
I never liked the guy in the first place.
by WayneWayneJr on Sep 27, 2007 12:49 PM EDT 0 recs
Gruden
As a coach, Gruden is decent. As a GM, he is incompetent.
by BigBlueShoe on
Sep 27, 2007 2:23 PM EDT
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Dawson
Clifton says "I'm just really happy to be back with Indianapolis."
by Bullard47 on Sep 27, 2007 2:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Brady is not talented
Simply a ridiculous statement.
by Burt Doyle on Sep 28, 2007 5:29 AM EDT 0 recs
Hooked on phonics
Nowhere does it say "Tom Brady isn't talented." That's what you are saying. The statement actually reads: "He was a 6th round pick because many people, including the Patriots themselves, did not think he was that talented. Truth be told, he isn't. But what he does have is that special something, that difference maker quality. Brady isn't as talented as Vince Young, Donovan McNabb, or even Rex Grossman (yes, I said Rex Grossman). But Tom Brady does have a special quality (confidence, sixth sense, intelligence, focus, etc.) that makes him a truly great player. Talent doesn't always equal greatness."
All NFL players have talent, but Tom Brady doesn't have Vince Young's strength, Donovan McNabb's quickness, or even the arm strength of Rex Grossman. He does have something else though, and it isn't tangible.
I think everyone understood what I meant there, except you. If you're fishing for something, cast a better line next time.
by BigBlueShoe on
Sep 28, 2007 7:44 AM EDT
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keep in mind BBS
BTW, Brady has a pretty strong arm, every bit as strong as Manning's and I bet he beats Manning in the 40 as well. So while you're saying Brady isn't talented, keep in mind his measuables, that you're basing your definition of talent on, is just as good as Manning's.
by Terry on
Sep 28, 2007 11:05 AM EDT
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Talent
And no Terry, Tom Brady does not have a stronger arm than Peyton Manning. That said, Brady does indeed have a good arm, and he has always thrown a great deep ball. Remember a few years ago when people start questioning Brady's deep ball throwing. WTF was up with that?
And I think Manning beats his 40 time. And if they ever raced, Manning would still win... by a forehead. ;)
by BigBlueShoe on
Sep 28, 2007 11:33 AM EDT
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well, if you are correct
Brady and Manning are very similar QBs, great pocket passers who can manuver within the pocket, very intelligent, but very unathletic and slow.
by Terry on
Sep 28, 2007 1:52 PM EDT
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