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Recap 2007 AFC Divisional Round: Colts 24-Chargers 28

He stands up there and takes the blame (like a champ!) even when it is clearly not his fault.
It's been a while since we Colts fans have tasted the bitterness of playoff defeat. For well over a year, we've been spoiled, and that was a welcome change from the years of disappointment prior. Yesterday, a banged-up, inexperienced Colts team ran into a veteran, hungry Chargers team that just made the plays when they needed them. Like many of you, we thought this Colts team had turned a corner, that let downs like this were a thing of the past.

We were wrong, and both Tony Dungy and Bill Polian have a lot of explaining to do.

Let me first say that Dungy and Polian are the best at what they do. The fact that there is a credible debate between who is better between Dungy and Belichick speaks volumes about both coaches. And Polian is, quite simply, the best GM in football. Scott Pioli does a great job in New England, but he has nor proven himself outside New England. Polian built the Bills and Panthers before creating the champion Colts. That said, both Dungy and Polian did not approach these playoffs in the best way possible, and both share some of the blame for the team's disappointing exit.

Let's not over state things though: The Colts persevered through a season defined by devastating injuries. It's a feat in and of itself that they made the playoffs minus Dwight Freeney, Booger McFarland, Tarik Glenn, Rob Morris, and Dominic Rhodes. All those players were absolutely vital to Indy's run in 2006, and none suited up in these playoffs for various reasons. Adding to that the fact that other key players (Robert Mathis, Raheem Brock, Antoine Bethea, and Marvin Harrison) simply weren't healthy for this game, and it's a miracle the score was even close. Injuries are never an excuse for losing. The Chargers certainly didn't use them as an excuse. But, at some point, your team needs to get healthy and perform.

This year, the Colts never did. Here's the game recap:

  • We are now, once again, provided a wonderful litmus test for a person's intelligence: Anyone who blames Peyton Manning for this game is a complete focking idiot, and anything and everything they think or say afterwards is irrelevant. For example: Yahoo.com's editorial staff. Notice the article title ("Colts can't win the big one... again") has nothing to do with Michael Silver's actual article. Here's a quote from Silver abut Manning in the game:
    So there I was in the RCA Dome press box Sunday, watching Peyton Manning complete his first 14 passes in guiding the Colts to a 10-7 halftime lead, and I'm thinking, "Is the NFL the most blessed entity on earth, or what?"
    Yahoo editorial staff = Total morons, and complete Manning-haters. Sure, the Manning-haters will return because that is what their life revolves around: Hating Peyton. They've been in Hell the last year, and now that his team has (shock!) lost a playoff game, they are dancing like pixies. These people were always losers (like Bill Simmons), and dismissing them has always been easy. For people that actually understand football, Peyton's performance was brilliant. He started the game completing 14 straight passes. He threw for over 400 yards, 3 TDs, and was as efficient throwing as we've ever seen him. His two INTs, both deflections off the hands of receivers, were not his fault; especially Kenton Keith's screw-up. Some will say he should have scored with them inside the five yard line at the end, but tipped balls, dropped passes, and bad protection are not the fault of Peyton. He played a tremendous game, and anyone who think s otherwise is simply wrong, and their opinion should be dismissed outright.
  • Marvin Harrison had no business playing Sunday, and Bill Polian out-and-out lied to us fans about his health. Marvin should have been IRed a long time ago, and the Colts should have brought in another receiver. Marvin fumble in the first quarter was huge, and really changed the game. He did not play in the fourth quarter, where he was sorely needed. I hope this is not the end of the great Marvin Harrison, but it does not look promising.
  • If you want a goat, place the onus solely on the defense. They stunk up the RCA Dome for its final game. No better example is San Diego's final TD drive, with their back-up QB and RB scorching the Colts defense. The total lack of a pass rush was evident. Mathis and Brock were non-factors, and did not have any real feel for the game. On the final drive, Darrell Reid was playing DE. That is always a bad sign.
  • The penalties were unforgivable. San Diego had 10 for 79 yards. That's expected from them. They are a poorly coached, undisciplined football team. But the penalties for Indy were atrocious. Marlin Jackson's DUMB personal foul penalty on the final SD touchdown drive was the key play of the game. That was on third down, mind you. SD would have had to punt if not for Marlin's dumb play. Bob Sander's taunting Nick Kaeding was also stupid. These kinds of things are unforgivable for a Colts playoff team.
  • Kenton Keith sucks, and I never want him in a Colts uniform again. The dropped pass, which resulted in an INT, should give him his walking papers. The lack of any kind of running game really hurt the offense. Tom Moore got away from the run too quickly, and Manning was asked to literally carry the team.
One of the keys to the game was how well the young guys would respond. The answer is not well. Tony Ugoh whiffed on a key fourth down block, which rushed Peyton's throw into the endzone. Quinn Pitcock failed to get any inside pressure. Anthony Gonzalez was the lone exception. His 56 yard TD reception, tip-toeing along the sideline, was amazing. Gonzo is a keeper.

The biggest disappointment was the lack of sharpness from the team, which stems directly from the injuries. Much will be said of "resting starters" at the end of the regular season, but the fact of the matter is the starters were hurt. Robert Mathis, Raheem Brock, Marvin Harrison, Antoine Bethea, and even Joseph Addai had not played a meaningful game in over a month. These guys weren't "rested." They were hurt, and were given no time to get re-adjusted to playing full speed. When you take into account all the massive injuries this team faced, it is indeed something that they got to the post-season.

Remember, after the Patriots won their first Super Bowl, they stunk it up the next year, missing the post-season entirely. Following the Steelers recent Super Bowl, they too choked the following season and missed the playoffs. These are facts our little friends in Chowda Land and Crapsburgh love to forget.

So, while it is disappointing, the team did accomplish some things this season. This group is a very different group than the won that won it all last year. Tony Ugoh, Gonzo, Pitcock, Devon, Kenton Keith, TJ Rushing, and Tim Jennings did not play (or weren't on the team) last season, and all were vital parts of this year's team. Combine that with losing Freeney, Harrison, and Booger and things fall into place.

For us, the silver-lining is the team is young, talented, and hungry. Losses like this have often propelled the Colts to great things, feeding a need to redeem themselves. In addition, the diaries and comments from many of you contributors on this game have been great, in particular Ron L, bluegirl, and several others. As always, we fans will simply have to accept this loss and move on. The off-season will be filled with idiot rumblings about 2006's "fluke" Super Bowl, Manning is a loser again, and Dungy's status with the team. That's fine. You aren't going to change the mind of stupid people. All we can do is take stock: Our team is moving into a brand new, beautiful stadium. Our team is still very good, and likely most of our injured guys will come back 100%.

It's still a bright future. Never forget that. Go Colts!

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Very well put, BBS.

The injuries throughout the year just got to us. Peyton looked awfully good, but the rest of the team just looked worn out, scrambled, generally not ready. Although we got through an injury-riddled year at 13-3, it seemed to really catch up to us in the last game of the year. Clearly, with the level we played at yesterday, we wouldn't have had a prayer against New England.

Agreed about Keith. The guy just cannot make it happen.

by clownsaw on Jan 14, 2008 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

Giving the coaching staff a pass
I think this review had a lot of rosy outlooks and excuses. Before the playoffs you had them going to the super bowl with more depth from their younger guys, now they're a "a banged-up, inexperienced Colts team" that was lucky to make the playoffs.

Dungy is the best coach in the NFL? Sure he's good, but where's his accountability? How many great coaches have lost two home games after a bye in the playoffs? Cower? Not many. I think a lot of the blame for 2 exits in the first round in the last three years falls on him. This year the defense was flat. Two years ago there were legit excuses, but "best coaches of all time" don't have that happen.

This team was every bit as good as last year, if not better, even with Harrison and Freeney hurt. A first-round exit shouldn't be excused as a "they were lucky to make the playoffs" loss. Instead, there should be some introspection on why the team (mostly the defense) was so different in the playoffs than the regular season.

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by MadTownColtsFan on Jan 14, 2008 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Dungy
Dungy is one of the best coaches this league has ever seen. there is no debate there, no argument. His record, championship, and his coaching tree speak for themselves. He is also the most innovative. Everyone uses his modified Cover 2 scheme, and even Bill Belichick uses the style of offense he perfected with tom Moore.

You can have your opinion on how I should have worded my recap, but if you don't think Dungy is a great coach, you're wrong.

Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by Brad Wells on Jan 14, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

On bad memories
Remember, after the Patriots won their first Super Bowl, they stunk it up the next year, missing the post-season entirely. Following the Steelers recent Super Bowl, they too choked the following season and missed the playoffs. These are facts our little friends in Chowda Land and Crapsburgh love to forget.

We haven't forgotten the 9-7 year.  It's a sore spot.  But it sure is nice to rub a little back-to-back on it--it eases the pain considerably.  I'm sure my friends in Pittsburgh feel the same way.

by NotJohnHannah @ Stampede Blue on Jan 14, 2008 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Colts latest failure
I watched the game and I was shocked to see the Chargers outplay the Colts on both sides of the ball... couldn't believe it! I kept waiting for the Indy D to make a stop - kept waiting for Manning to engineer the game-winning drive - neither happened.

Perhaps my bias is showing, I've gotten used to the play of the 2007 Patriots. Tom Brady always leads his team to victory, Brady does things that other QB's simply cannot do. The N.E. defense always makes the stop when it counts the most. Guess I've gotten used to watching the best.

As I stated in another post, last years's Super Bowl season may very well have been Peyton Manning's swan song. We'll see what the future brings.

by horseofadifferentcolor on Jan 14, 2008 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

it's getting old
You can stop anytime now.
Go Colts!

by KingRichard on Jan 14, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you're mistaken
he's one of yours.

by bleedingblue @ Stampede Blue on Jan 14, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it stings but...
About Peyton's play yesterday, BBS states "he played a tremendous game". Come again?? Certainly Manning was not the sole reason the Colts couldn't beat the Chargers as the Indy defense took an early vacation.

You have hounded Brady endlessly for the forced throw in the waining minutes of last year's AFCCG, I would appreciate your honesty here in condemning Manning for his failure on Sunday... versus a depleted opponent, in his own yard no less. Tremendous is not how I would describe his effort against San Diego. When the game is on the line and your team is first and goal from the six - you gotta get that TD. The best in the NFL get that touchdown.
 

by horseofadifferentcolor on Jan 14, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I know...
Most fans over here will not relate to this. But I've got to say it anyway. When my All Blacks team lost in 1999 Rugby World Cup to the faggy Frenchies, even with the presence of Jonah Lomu (search Google) it was heart-breaking cause we knew we were better than them. Even in 2007 with all the talent they lost to the same team, even when they dominated them in most Test series
Then everybody realized that some times Teams do get a hot streak or lucky breaks. (Tuck rule anybody?)
Even the best can fail, and failure is a better teacher than success.
The Colts will be back with a vengeance next season...that much is assured, cause what the SB win in 2007 did was shape the character of a team.
And they came so far without having any hired guns. That's the beautiful part of it.
"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi

by rangerover76 on Jan 14, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

RR
Well said, and I hope you're right. The Colts may be able to bounce right back from this disappointing season. The Pats certainly bounced back after last year's tough loss to Indy. I truely enjoy the intense rivalry that exists between these two excellent football teams and the fans that care about them.

by horseofadifferentcolor on Jan 14, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop it !!

by horseofadifferentcolor on Jan 14, 2008 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

Manning did the best he could
He kept us on the game, and if the D played any better, and if 88 didn't fumble that bowl, it would have been a blowout. Too bad it wasn't. Manning will never get the respect he deserves (nor will his brother, for that matter. Eli is a much better QB than Romo).

As I said before, I love Dungy. But the man looked lost on the sideline. Belicheat never looked lost. Dungy never looked like Turner did yesterday. Turner is an idiot, sure, but he was on th edge the whole game. So was Rivers. Rivers was seeing blood. There's no way he could have been stopped with that poor effort by the D.

It's sad, after all. It's just plain sad. But nobody with a brain should blame Manning. He was the only Colt yesterday that knew it was a playoff game.

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 14, 2008 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Fumble that ball
Ha ha, he may also have fumbled the SuperBowl.
Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 14, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to sound arrogant but,
I've gone through the same thing as Peyton, and I'm sure many of you can relate. High school Sectional Championship, I gave it everything I had, and the team around me was just not in the game. It is one of the most painful feelings in the world to know you were the better team and lost because you couldn't motivate your teammates around you. How many of you have had that experience? I'm sure many.

by bleedingblue @ Stampede Blue on Jan 14, 2008 1:54 PM EST reply actions  

Dungy&Polian...best at what they do?
Boy, you guys are living in a dreamworld...  I know there's not much to like about living in Indiana except the Colts, and I know all about looking at the glass half full, but the Colts are a MASSIVELY flawed football team (even with everyone healthy), with a better-than-average coach, that has an AMAZING quarterback who has carried this team on his back, and has made everyone around him (Addai, Harrison, Clark) look much better than they are.  Manning beat the Patriots last year, fair and square.  But the Colts are a shooting star that is burning out, and Polian doesn't have the ability or talent, like the Patriots do, to continually shuffle in personnel who succeed in the system.  Colts will be a wild card team in 2008.  I enjoyed the rivalry while it lasted.

by Brady2MossTD on Jan 14, 2008 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

The Patriot Way
When you look at the fundamental difference between the way the Pats and Colts are built, you understand why the Patriots are better equipped to handle adversity. As a Colts fan, it's unbelievably painful to admit, but the Patriots are just a better playoff football team. By building around veteran players, the Patriots have that extra playoff gear where they can just switch it on, and blow the other team off the field. The Colts, by virtue of the fact that they're one of the youngest teams in the league, don't.

The real question is "How much of this loss goes on Manning's shoulders?" You can't leave him blameless. He made bad passes. But there's a reason you pay these guys big money to do what they do.

As for Dallas, he'll be back. But he better spend the entire offseason running routes and catching balls, because if he makes ONE DROP next year, the fans are going to rake him over the coals.

We can talk about Ugoh's block on 4th and 5, but there isn't another rookie left tackle I'd rather have. He's going to be a great one, he just needs time to develop.

Gonzo went from being the #2 WR to 1C yesterday. He's earned Peyton's trust, and is going to keep getting better.

The Colts preach speed above all else, but they need a hammer on the defensive line. It's too easy for big tackles like SD's McNeil to shove Mathis, Brock, and everyone else around. They need someone that can bull rush their way past these guys and get to the QB.

People are saying that we don't need Booger, but I think we need him more than people think. A veteran DT is never a bad thing to have. Put him back in the lineup, and I think we're in much better shape.

Long story short: the Colts will be back, and better next year. All those rookies and first time starters will have a year of experience. They'll be playing in a brand new stadium, where for a couple of months of the year they can open the windows and let in some fresh air. Remember: the year after NE and PIT won their Super Bowls, they didn't even make the playoffs.

"Hey, if you want me to come here, I want to come here. But if you don't, I'm going to beat your butt for 15 years playing in the AFC." -Peyton Manning-

by MonkeyBusiness on Jan 14, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

I left you guys last week
when no one could admit that Rodney Harrison was a dirty player. I can't respect anyone's opinion if they are so blatently homeristic like that. Everyone was right, that blog is a joke. I can't take anyone seriously over there. Just like I don't take you seriously over here.

by bleedingblue @ Stampede Blue on Jan 14, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

Also
In a better world, there wouldn't be IDIOTS who think that playoff wins are individual stats, rather than team stats. This has been especially annoying on the past few days. I also heard that a lot during the baseball playoffs this season.
Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 14, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

my only issue
Is this statement made by BBS prior to the playoffs:
For the first time in a long while... actually, scratch that... for the first time EVER, I'm not afraid of these playoffs.

Yet you then go on and list all the reasons after a loss why the stars weren't aligned for Indy. Which one is it BBS? This is why people come and give you grief. It just doesn't add up.

by Blitzburgh @ Stampede Blue on Jan 14, 2008 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

What about it
I wasn't afraid. I had confidence in my team. They didn't get it done. My confidence was a bit misplaced.

People come here and give me grief because (like you) they wish their team was as good as the Colts.

Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by Brad Wells on Jan 14, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Luck plays into it as well...
Say Harper's wife hadn't slashed his knee two weeks before? 2006 woulda been our second title.

by PaytonMenning on Jan 15, 2008 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

The last part
of BBS's post is what I'm focusing on. The future is indeed bright. Of course it sucks to lose, it's frustrating and maddening. But we won last year, so at least we know the feeling. And we have a good core of young players that will serve us well for (hopefully) years to come. With Manning, Addai, Ugoh, Saturday, Wayne, Gonzo, Bobzilla, Freeney, Mathis, Keiaho, Bethea... well, you get the idea. We should be in position to contend every year for some time.

In summary, right now: it sucks. Big picture: we're still looking good.

And remember -- only 6 months 'til training camp!

by ctnyc on Jan 14, 2008 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

haha
Only six months huh?  That's makes me feel soooo much better. :(

Would someone go read my diary and tell me how stupid my ideas are please.

Go Colts!

by KingRichard on Jan 14, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

See you next year
I haven't posted on the SB Nation football sites before, mostly because of the often over-the-top vitriolic blogs and comments. This goes for ALL teams; I stick to the relatively nicey-nice atmostphere of the baseball blogs. However, I am moved to post after yesterday's stunning results. Unfortunately, I missed the Colts-Chargers game because I was at church (Hawaii time zone here!), but I was absolutely stunned when I found out the Colts had lost. Even though I support your most hate team, I think I can empathize. When the Pats lost to the Broncos in the play-offs a couple years ago, I actually burst into tears, which I know was a ridiculous reaction. I think Colts and Pats fans have both gotten a little spoiled, because for the most part, we get to celebrate victories each week.

In any case, I mean no disrespect to the Chargers, but I am truly disappointed that the Colts and Pats will not get to face each other in the AFC championship. The Colts are a superb team that always invoke feelings of absolute fear in me, and Pats-Colts are one of the truly great sports rivalries. See you all next year (literally in '09, as I am sure they will both be in the play-offs again).

by A Boston Sports Fan in Hawaii on Jan 14, 2008 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

btw
I just reread my comment...sorry for the grammar. Not all Pats fans are stupid like me. ;)

by A Boston Sports Fan in Hawaii on Jan 14, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

hey for you baseball fans
the season is rolling in soon, swing by azsnakepit.com, if you want to talk baseball. We have a good time.

by bleedingblue @ Stampede Blue on Jan 14, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

ah baseball
unfortunately baseball season for me as bluejays fan means dealing with boston 19 times a year.

and my raptors are way behind the celtics in the atlantic division.

by torontocoltsfan on Jan 14, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hawaii
sounds nice and warm right now. Unlike Nothwest Indiana. Just one more reason to envy you. But that's probably a sin, so congratulations again.

by coltsfanawalt on Jan 14, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks...
One of the breaking local news stories the other day was about the chilly 60 degree morning weather.

My dad spent a year in Indiana for college, and he enjoyed himself quite a bit. I went to school in the Boston area (hence my allegiances), so I guess sometimes Hawaii folks do seek out cold weather climates!

by A Boston Sports Fan in Hawaii on Jan 14, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

what??
You can't give pats g.m. credit, but trust your g.m. to fix things?   So you must be giving our coach more credit than yours. Manning wasn't at fault? Not his fault?   He had great # in the game with high passing yards and one of his inteceptions wasn't his fault {but the other was} but he didn't get it done at the end! but he didn't get it done at the end! watch that last drive,  He was stumbling as the audio was talking about his comebacks. either you expected he was pull it off and are disappointed or you didn't expect it cause he has done it once in the playoffs last year against my team {but there is no shame in that you where equal or better than my team}   Manning is one of the greats in regular season , but in the playoffs it took your R.b. to get to the promise land and he was on the bench.  I was expecting to see your team next week because they where the better team than the chargers but your q.b. didn't get it done

by dewi on Jan 14, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

Already said
Mannings numbers lied yesterday. He managed the game very effectivly, up until the last couple drives. His numbers were good, one of the INTs wasn't his fault, but he ultimatly killed the drives with poor decisions. While driving up the feild with plenty of time left and they aren't stopping you, you don't throw two long bombs unless you are sure they are coming down with them. Reggie Wayne is a fast receiver with good moves and good hands, but to think he would come down with the ball while double covered TWICE is absurd. There are 5 WRs in the league that you can count on to get those, and Wayne isn't one of them. On both bombs, Manning locked in on him, and missed a open Clark on one, and I beleve Addai on the other.
So no, Manning isn't the sole reason they were put in the bad spot, but he is the reason they didn't get out of it.

by ZTurgeon on Jan 14, 2008 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

it took a perfectly
defensed pass by Shaun Phillips to stop Manning from getting the winning TD in to Addai. He played very well, but things just didn't go his way.
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by shake n bake on Jan 14, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Some Pats fans crack me up.
In their determination to exalt Brady as the greatest and as better than Manning, they do their team a subtle discredit. It's all about the QB, and therefore not as much about the team. Forget other teams that have won it all without an elite QB, or the great QBs whose team never won a ring. Right now, the Pats' winning is all about Brady and Manning.

At least the Colts fans can honestly say that our QB is great , but our team hasn't always been. Our defense was pretty bad until last year, and even then they were only decent in the playoffs. We've had some good individuals on defense, but over the past decade the unit has been either bad or mediocre. One of the reasons Dungy was brought in was to beef up the defense, because it was bad. Freeney, arguably our best defensive player, goes down, and it's like old times again.

We admit that the Patrots have had the better team, but we don't agree about the QB position. Manning has been the one thing that has kept us competitive at times the past decade. He's simply awesome. Why do you so desperately want to take that point away?

The Pats fans should say that is good. They have had the NFL's best team so far this millenium, and that is something else. But instead, they rob that glory to compare Brady to Manning, as if Brady has ever had to overcome a subpar defense or a poor team performance.

I'm a lifelong Wolverines fan. It is great for our university to see Brady excel in the pros. He is an excellent QB on an even more excellent team, with the ultimate mastermind for a coach. It is not all about his play. The ONE time last year that his defense let him down (AFCCG), he couldn't pull it out in the end, nor seal the deal on the drive before that.

Is my point that Brady isn't that good? NO. My point is that the team wins and loses, that no player is perfect, and everyone in football needs their team to support their attempts at victory.

It just seems like a silly way to compare QB's. Teams, yes. It also seems ridiculous for such an excellent team to try so hard to diminish the greatness of a phenonmenal QB. I would start to suspect insecurity, but that wouldn't make much sense.

 

by coltsfanawalt on Jan 14, 2008 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

Peyton
I will give you that Peyton is an amazing QB, one of the best, most durable, and hardest working ever. So is Tom Brady. And not to take anything away from Peyton's accomplishments, not only did Brady surpass his most famous number this year (50 TDs), but Tom also has the rings (3 going on 4) and the intangibles (infinite). Sure a lot of the Colt's season was overshadowed by their injury problems, but the Pats won championships in years they had a multitude of injuries, including one Super Bowl where it was all second stringers in the secondary. Injuries are a factor, but don't blame them. The fact is that the Colts can't handle a bye week. Peyton can watch game film as much as he wants, but that extra week kills them. Last year (their only successful year), they had to cut their teeth on wild card weekend, when everyone said Larry Johnson would run all over them. Dungy just isn't that great of a coach. He is good, but not great. Until last year, his career was defined by being good but never getting to the Super Bowl. Same with Peyton. Brady just has the heart of a champion, and that's just something innate. He and Belichick (say what you will) have a killer instinct that can't be taught. But we do have to thank the Colts, for fueling the Pats to their season of perfection, a direct result from handing last years AFC Championship right into their lap (the team was injury riddled, sound familiar?).

Plus, Peyton is just insufferable in all those commercials. Double Stuff Racing League?

by TedyBrewskie54 on Jan 14, 2008 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Rings are team stats
Not individual ones. If Vinatieri missed all those FGs, nobody would have a ring. Nobody wins crap alone.
Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 14, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Question..
Which came first - the chicken or the egg??

Vinatieri never gets a chance to kick the game winning field-goals without Brady there to engineer the drives that got them into FG range. My contention is that the key to those past victories was Brady, not the kicker. Try this question - who is easier to replace Brady or the kicker? How 'bout this one - who will win another Super Bowl this year, Brady or Vinatieri??

See what I mean. It's a team sport but without the great QB it's a losing-team sport.

by horseofadifferentcolor on Jan 14, 2008 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

A better question
Brady threw to himself? What if the receivers dropped all the passes? And I don't even speak about the D. Everyone knows that the Pats D at the time was maybe the best in football.

I know what you mean, and, hey, Brady is a wonderful QB. But football is a team sport, and as such, nobody wins unless everybody is on the same page, playing at the highest level.

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 14, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

True but...
Brady has won it all with average receivers, this season he's about to win it all with great receivers. Most of the defense has turned over since the first title, it will turn over again this off season. It's a team sport, but only the great teams win multiple Super Bowls. Tom Brady will continue to win Super Bowls.

by horseofadifferentcolor on Jan 14, 2008 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong
I think that Brady is a hell of a QB. He was good with average receivers, and now he's very good with great ones. We can, of course, compare him to Manning. I think they're both very close in talent. The think I don't agree is using his SB wins as a factor. Sure, he usually plays better than Manning in the post-season (but Manning indeed can play well, like he did against SD this year). That's a factor. 3 SBs means that NE had one of the best teams ever during those years. Maybe this new one will also be remembered as one of the best.
Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 14, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

2006 AFCCG
Brady's faiture to win last year's AFCCG at the RCA Dome showed that he was human. He made a forced (bad) throw and the Colts capitalized on the pick for a great victory. This year, it's been a lot easier for Brady to strut his stuff.

I was listening to an NFL talking-head this morning on the radio and he made a very good point about the game last Sunday - he stated: Peyton Manning was clearly not responsible for the Colts loss but, he must be the one held accountable for not winning it. I think that his comment makes a lot of sense.

by horseofadifferentcolor on Jan 15, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree
Manning was the reason we stayed in the game, but that don't mean too much because we didn't win it. And I agree that he should have gotten that TD, and the call for a run play at 1st down was really stupid. Still, he was the only one who played great on Sunday. And if KK didn't drop that pass, he would have 4 TDs and just one INT for the game. He did his job. But the others didn't.

If it was Brady on Manning's shoes on Sunday, I think he wouldn't have scored that the TD either. The O-line and the receivers were so off, it was almost sad for Manning.

Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Jan 15, 2008 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Why
Why are Patriots trolls in here? Seriously guys, how pathetic is that. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the site hits and all that, but it says a lot about how insecure you are to come here and talk smack when we aren't even playing next week.
Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by Brad Wells on Jan 14, 2008 6:47 PM EST reply actions  

Troll?
Almost no one in this thread has been a troll.  And the answer is that this forum is a helluva lot more fun to talk back and forth about football than patspulpit.  K? k.

by ihavethemelody on Jan 14, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

faoisijgaig
I'm glad you both like it.  It's fun sometimes to argue about stuff sometimes, at least when you can actually defend your own opinion unlike that pos at shats pulpit.  
Go Colts!

by KingRichard on Jan 15, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Happy to make you laugh...
Take a look around the NFL -

Every successful team these days must have top level quarterback. Those that lack them are relegated to also-rans. The Patriots win because they have the most skilled QB in the NFL... maybe the finest ever. (let's see how many SB titles he's able to collect)

I understand your arguement; yes, football is a team sport. In the Patriots case, the team supports Brady in many ways but, without Brady I believe N.E. becomes one of those also-rans. The Patriots are an elite team solely because Tom Brady runs the offense. This year his supporting cast has been upgraded, hence the remarkable season.

I sat there yesterday watching the Colts/Bolts game and waited for Manning to do what Brady does and it didn't happen. I know damn well he wanted to make the plays but, he couldn't do it.

It's quite clear, and I think it can be stated without question: As the quarterback goes, so goes the team. It certainly can't be stated that: As the team goes, so goes the quarterback.

It seems that you consider the Colts QB to be great but, not great enough to produce a victory for his team. Conversely, the Patriots QB has shown this year that despite the aged & fairly pedestrian make-up of the defense, he has been able to deliver the tough victories. Much like the great offenses that the Colts fielded in the recent past, the Patriots are doing the same this  season.

The truth is - the Colts have relied on Manning to get them to the Super Bowl and the Patriots have relied on Brady. The respective teams have always been the support, not the show. The fact is, Brady is about to take his team to the SB for a fourth time, Manning has managed it once.

Now... you tell me the QB doesn't matter most and    I contend that it does. Manning's good, Brady is better.        

   

by horseofadifferentcolor on Jan 14, 2008 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

Defense wins championships
I didn't just make that up. That has been stated for years by those who know football, and by everyone explaining why the Colts wouldn't win last year. The reason they were wrong about the Colts was that our defense turned it on in the playoffs last season. First time for that, and the Colts get a ring, because the offense was never the problem. The statement held true, defense wins championships.

The reverse hype by some journalists (particularly those stationed in the northeast), and most conveniently by Pats fans on a mission for Brady, is that it is all about the qb's suddenly. I disagree, he is a part of the puzzle, but a part that has been overcome in times past, whereas bad defense has never been overcome in a superbowl run. Again, defense wins championships.

Your continued insistence to make Brady greater based on a team stat is bewildering, but I chalk it up to the typical mentality of your insecure fan base, which by the way has nothing to be insecure about. Yet here you are, kicking some disappointed Colts fans, proving how much it bugs you that we ever look good, too.

The Colts defenses have largely stunk through the years, and the Patriots haven't. That is all the difference. No Qb makes every singledrive work, including every single game ending drive. Both Brady and Manning have proven that. But the Pats have continued to prove my point. Defense wins championships.

Too bad some of their fans can't see that, and continue to throw the team accomplishment under the bus in their attempt to line up behind the supermodels...

by coltsfanawalt on Jan 15, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

defense wins...
Well then, this year will be an abberation - offense will win the Super Bowl. The Patriots defense is certainly not a lock-down, killer D. They bend a lot, they break at times, they are the weak link in the Patriots armor. The engine that drives New England is the offense. Believe me, when the Pats win #4 it will not be a result of their awesome defense.

Offense now wins Championships. You watch.

by horseofadifferentcolor on Jan 16, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

See you next year
This rivalry is still in it's prime. It wasn't over when the Pats lost to Denver and the Colts lost to Pittsburgh in '06, it wasn't over when the Pats lost to the Colts in '07, and it's not over now. Manning and Brady are in their prime, and neither team has major holes. Even if Dungy retires, the Colts roster is at a point where a coaching change would not throw them off stride. Certainly both teams will need to add some players in the offseason, but that's a lot easier to do when players want to come to these organizations to compete for a championship (Randy Moss, anyone?)
I was looking forward to a rematch of last year's AFCCG, but I'm not one to take the Chargers lightly. They're hot right now, and showed a lot of heart yesterday. If only Manning had been able to come through at the end, we'd have been treated to possibly the most anticipated conference championship game in NFL history. As it is, keep heart Colts fans, there will be more opportunities.

by 6thround on Jan 14, 2008 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

Why?
To clear up one of the posts a few bellow this, I am not a Patriots troll. I'm not going to come in here and make ignorant statements and just use as many swears as I can to describe the Colts. I've just been reading this blog for a while and I wanted to finally voice the other side of many of the arguments presented. No harm in a little adversity right? Unless you want a site of unadulterated Colts lovefest. Great point from down bellow too, both the Colts and Pats are NOTHING without their QB. thankg god for Matt Light, but i still hold my breath every week. the chargers are red hot right now, but honestly, norv turner is a complete joke, always has been, always will be. if belichick gets out coached by him, bill will be the first to put a bullet in his head. rivers is still very immature, as seen by his taunting of Indy fans and Jay Cutler. and i am still livid at LT for his comments after last years divisional game, calling the Patriots classless, because they imitated Merriman's idiotic lights out dance. i love my team, but i know rodney is a jerk on the field. but bruschi, brady, faulk, seymour, etc are stand up classy dudes.

by TedyBrewskie54 on Jan 14, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

1st class
 "These are facts our little friends in Chowda Land and Crapsburgh love to forget."

Nothing like getting your butt whooped in your own stadium to make you want to insult fans of other teams. Way to show your pride.

by Steelkings on Jan 14, 2008 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

Man
Its obvious you pats fans are biased. as soon as the colts lose a playoff game the first person you point the finger too is manning. think of it this way if keith would have caught that pall instead of deflecting it for an int we would have had a 3 point lead. if harrison didnt fumble the lead could have been a 10 point lead. Now i know pissing and moaning about "what ifs" isnt going to change anything and its a terrible excuse. but pointing the finger at our qb who had to do absolutely everything to make up for a horrid defensive performance and catchable balls that were dropped just shows your ignorance or your sheer biased opinions.

by metalmilitia @ Stampede Blue on Jan 15, 2008 1:56 AM EST reply actions  

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