What Buffalo Bills fans think of John McCargo
by Brad Wells on Oct 15, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
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PrintI asked Bills fans some questions about John McCargo last night over at Buffalo Rumblings. Before I post them, I'd like to point at the tremendous resources we have at SB Nation when it comes to learning about a player from another team. Literally, all I had to do to get info on McCargo was go to BR, ask a question in a post comment, and I got something like 30 answers from Bills fans. You can't get such fan reaction anywhere else. Here are their opinions on John McCargo, post-trade:
I think the issue with [McCargo] is desire. He only seems to turn it on the field only occasionally. He has the physical tools to be unstoppable, but he seems to lack focus and a consistent mean streak. When he does get his considerable skills headed one way with a will to make a play he is hard to stop.
I think he just doesn’t have that killer instinct needed by all good DTs to do their job and get it done, thus why someone like Kyle Williams who is less physically gifted than John could beat him out of the job because that kid never takes a play off and has a nasty mindset on the field.
I think if it was obvious [why he never caught on in Buffalo], it could have been fixed and he would still be here. I wish I could tell you, he had plenty of chances. He was beat out for the starting spot his rookie year by a 5th rounder, and has never really been the player we all thought he was. He showed plenty of flashes, (see Giants game last year) but never could produce consistently.
McCargo, on the roster, is listed as 1 inch taller and 1 pound heavier than Kyle Williams. And after seeing both in person at training camp, McCargo is the kind of fat guy where his legs bow out and he is not that athletic. If you’ve ever played football, he looks the kind of player that was always last when you ran laps and to boot, never had the athleticism to make an impact consistently. KW is like a rock with athleticism, and of course he’s fat, but it’s just different. Either way, one is gone, one stayed, and 5th round or late 1st, besides the money, i don’t care where the good players come from as long as they’re good.
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In March, McCargo was a player destined to have a break-out year after...
showing flashes of it the year before. In March, Crowell was a player looking to cash in on a contract year.
A month later McCargo reported to OTAs overweight and out of shape. Five months later Crowell was missing preseason games and practices, having problems staying on the field due to an injury and electing to have surgery right before the season started.
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another corey simon… The similarities to the 06 season are there, but what worries me is the theme of ‘fat and lazy’ that seem to permeate the comments from the bills fans. Sounds a bit too much like some of the eagles comments about simon.
Not to throw too much cold water on this and I doubt he is getting the same kind of money as simon, but I really hope being a colt can motivate this guy a bit more.
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HUGE difference in the money
the difference in the money between the two is as big as Corey Simon himself.
The rest of the guaranteed money on McCargo’s contract goes against the Bills cap (it wasn’t much) so the Colts only pay his base salary with is less than one million a year for this year and the two after this year he’s signed for.
The 4th round pick is the only thing they risked on him.
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by shake n bake on Oct 15, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Something from a Bills fan that I can trust
Gee Ben, didn’t know your name changed.
Well Irish, he was drafted in 2006 by Marv after we traded up into the 1st to get him.
He broke his foot in 2006 and didn’t play at all.
In 2007, he was rotated in between Tripplett and Williams and he was a fan favorite, as he was getting a lot of pressure in the backfield, getting a lot of tackles for loss.
Well, we got Marcus Stroud in the offseason, and we expected him to challenge Kyle Williams for the #2 DT spot. He came into camp overweight, and was reported to be not all that interested in football (translation: lazy). He of course didn’t even come close to winning the spot; he was actually the #4 DT on our team, behind Stroud, Williams, and FA pickup Spencer Johnson.
Overall, he is considered a bust in Bills-land, and I feel that what we got for him (a 4th rounder) is pretty nice. And before you bring up the “well Bill Polian must have seen something in him” argument, remember that Marv Levy, former fellow Buffalonian with Polian (Marv was coach and Polian was GM during the Bills consecutive SB years) drafted him, so they may have just seen the same things in him that weren’t really there.
So overall, I’d call him a bust that shows a bit of promise and might have a few good moments, but don’t expect him to contribute a whole lot. As a point of reference, some Bills fans even think Larry Tripplett is better than him (I disagree, but each to his/her own).
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McCargo is not someone who can “clog the middle”, he’s a pass rusher that has a few flashes where he tackles the RB 5 yards in the backfield. Last year, as soon as he got an opening he had great speed in the offensive backfield, and could get to the QB and RB with good speed.
Like I said, he isn’t the same player this year than he was last year. Before the year started, he was the odds-on favorite to be the #2 guy. He came in overweight and lethargic. Maybe a change of scenery will fix that, as he has good physical talent, and could be a good player down the road, but obviously the Bills don’t think so. I think Bill Polian has perhaps the best eye for talent among any GMs of the modern era, and is a great drafter, but I think he’s wrong on this one.
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He is a guaranteed upgrade
the guy he replaced (Ramsey) didn’t make the cut with the Niners. McCargo is at least good enough for a roster spot on a good defense and has the big upside.
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Twenty-one year old legend
I'ma live way after my death
-Lil' Wayne "Get Down"
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Seems like everyone expects this guy to come in and be the answer to all of our problems. We need someone that will learn the system quickly, keep their gap assignments, and make tackles. I may be incorrect, but isn’t that what Booger did when we traded for him? Granted he knew the Tampa 2 well but he was disciplined and did his job. Plus, I totally agree with what BBS said about this trade giving the coaching staff a lot of flexibility with the DT rotation. Depth is good.
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Runs a Cover 2 scheme and has similar philosophies on defense, am I right? If so, let’s hope he can transition quickly and we see him on the field against the Titans. I think we need to win that game convincingly, like at least 2 touchdowns convincingly.
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They do
They wanted to use him as a three tech DT (like Brock, Sapp, or John Randle). Indy may use him as a NT, which is different. This may be what gets him to produce. Buffalo might not have used him correctly. We will see.
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The Bills only tried to use McCargo as a 3-tech because, up until this year, they’ve had some really crappy defensive tackles, including a certain Mr. Tripplett. McCargo was their most athletic tackle up until this past March (when we acquired Stroud), so naturally, they tried to play him at the “athletic tackle” spot, so to speak.
They were splitting his time this year. You might be right that he’ll do better as a 1-technique. I think he’s a best fit, though, in a 2-gap scheme, which is a bit more traditional. He’s definitely better playing the run than he is rushing the passer, though.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 15, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
That's odd
The one thing I had been hearing is how he can get into the backfield so fast and make plays.
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Yeah, he’s disruptive like that – but you don’t see it rushing the passer for whatever reason. He can get after the passer, but he’s not consistent at it by any means, whereas he’s generally pretty good against the run.
by Brian Galliford on Oct 15, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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