Why do the Colts only have 52 players on the active roster?

by shake n bake on Oct 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT Comment 15 comments

Tuesday the Colts cut LaJuan Ramsey to make room for John McCargo who had arrived via trade from Buffalo. McCargo failed his physical causing the trade to be voided, returning him to the Bills. Since the failed physical yesterday the Colts roster has an empty space. After the trade fell through the most likely move to fill the spot was to sign Ramsey back. As a player with less than 4 years of NFL service LaJuan Ramsey has to pass through waivers when cut. The period for waivers last 24 hours, meaning Ramsey would have cleared and been available to re-sign yesterday, he hasn't been. So what are they doing with that roster spot? Two possibilities stick out.

1. They are going to use that roster spot for Tyjuan Hagler coming off the PUP this week. Phil B expects this move. The roster spot has stayed open because they didn't want to sign a player to the roster just to practice with the team for a day. The Colts have yet to activate Hagler from the PUP, likely because they aren't sure if he's ready to play. Hagler said earlier in the week that he does not expect to start Sunday.

2. The Colts are in the process of working out another free agent player. Lots of guys we've never heard of out there and one we have.

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Oh Man

If Pitcock is in the Cockpit that would be great.

Honestly the starting spot is his, I am sure the colts are begging him to come back. He could be very good (read not great). All of the posts today stating that McCargo was at practise for the bills says something is up.

As for the Hagler thoery that is not out of the realm but not in it either. We currently have 3 DTs on the roster (not including Brock). Here they are Dawson, a converted DE second year in the league and the lightest at about 255lbs. Foster, a rookie and also undersized at 265lbs both of those guys are better suited to play the 3 technique. That leaves Muir, who has yet to play a game with the colts as the only NT of the group. Why in the world would polian go with a roster heavy on LBs when he only has one healthy NT and an inexperienced one at that.

Here is what happens,
Hagler comes off PUP and Senn/Davis gets cut, Pitcock is signed

by canadiancolts on Oct 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Just a PIT-thought

I hate to be the buzz killer, but if you’re a current member of the Colts roster and been working your tail off to get the defense better and stouter with the guys already there, do you welcome Pitcock back with open arms after he quit on you once already?
Furthermore, does Bill Polian have such a thing for loyalty that he doesn’t give Quinn even a passing thought?
Or, does desperation trump principle?
If it was up to me, I’d have to think long and hard and maybe ask the team leaders for their thoughts, but if they were okay with QP’s return to the team . . .sign him up!!

by oldecoltsfan on Oct 16, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Depends

We don’t really know why he quit. There could bereally good reasons which doesn’t apply anymore, and in that case there’s no reason he shouldn’t be welcomed back. But basically we don’t know what happened, and so there really is no way of knowing how the players will react if (and that’s a big if) he actually returns.

And of course we are desperate – that always helps.

by Cow of Pain on Oct 17, 2008 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

As long as he's still in shape.

If he put football out of his mind completely he would be totally out of playing shape right now. I’m thinking there most have been some personal issue that may have been resolved for him to come back.

I just want to see someone who will play 2 gaps.

by slash196 on Oct 16, 2008 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Getting McCargo after all?

John Clayton says that he expects the Bills to cut McCargo… maybe Polian suspected this and thought he would take the chance at getting him without givin up the pick.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3689

by deefree93 on Oct 16, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He doesn't have 4 years NFL service

so he would have to go through waivers all the way down to Indy.

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by shake n bake on Oct 16, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's risky

He failed a physical, and if furthermore he got cut, I don’t think too many teams want to take the chance, so it’s quite possible that he will clear waivers.

However seeing as it would likely be our physical that helped us pick him up, it could (and probably should) be viewed as quite class-less, and other teams would think twice before trading with us again. So I don’t see it happening.

by Cow of Pain on Oct 17, 2008 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree totally

It would set a really bad precedent….and if I were McCargo I wouldn’t want to sign with a team that ruined any perceived value that I had left by failing me on a physical.

by rudy0498 on Oct 17, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even though it would help the team

that’s way too shady for me to endorse.

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by shake n bake on Oct 17, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe not

Think of it this way: Is a damaged player worth a 4th round draft pick? No. So, if the other team was going to cut him anyway, the value evens out. This is about value. A hurt back is ok if the player is just riding your bench. The Colts wanted this guy to start, and were willing to give up a 4th round pick for him. So now, he simply is not worth ANY trade value. The physical did not diminish his value. His injury did.

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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 17, 2008 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree....

Do I think the Colts intentionally failed him to diminish his value? No, I don’t.

Their health standards shouldn’t vary based on the players contract unless there are explicit terms in the contract regarding the standards they need to meet. Either you are healthy enough to play or you aren’t. The colts have the right to fail him on his physical if he is not in the condition they expect. But to turn around and sign him to a smaller contract and pass THE SAME physical likely administered by the same doctor(s) is wrong.

by rudy0498 on Oct 17, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why

would they keep a roster spot open for Hagler? Can’t he practice with the team for 2 weeks before being activated off PUP? I would think that he would need at least that long before he can play…why take up a roster spot with someone who can’t play a game?

Just wondering. Is that the way it works?

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by peytonsthebest on Oct 17, 2008 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

they won’t take him off the PUP until he’s ready to play. That’s why I don’t write off the empty roster spot as nothing. There’s a solid chance it’s not going to be Hagler’s spot.

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I'ma live way after my death
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by shake n bake on Oct 17, 2008 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Muir and Hayden likely to be activated by Sunday.

Dan Muir, a defensive tackle who has been inactive all five games since joining the Colts off waivers from Green Bay in Week 1, likely will be active, Dungy said.

Outside linebacker Tyjuan Hagler, a starter last season who spent the first six weeks on the Physically Unable to Perform list, likely will be activated Sunday, Dungy said.

"He has done fine and doesn’t have any negative effects from practice at all," Dungy said. "So, my guess is we’d activate him and he’d be ready to go. I don’t know that you can step right in and play a full game without having played any in the preseason or gotten it going. I think he could definitely play and he’ll make some things happen for us."

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by peytonsthebest on Oct 17, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs