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Soon, we Colts fans won't have Vince Young to kick around anymore

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I think the Colts are better than the Titans. I know. Logically, that makes no sense. If a Titans fan said the same thing and his team was 3-3 and mine 6-0, I'd probably laugh at him. Maybe even give him the Michael David Smith treatment. But, unlike years past, what has defined the first half of the Colts 2008 season is injuries. Now that the Colts are healing up, I personally think their talent, combined with their leadership and savvy, will overcome the Titans. Hell, injuries have defined EVERYONE'S 2008 season, including the Titans. The best thing to happen to the the Titans since they hired Jeff Fisher was an injury this season... to their starting QB, no less.

I've held off taking shots at QB Vince Young all week because it is so obvious that his career with the Titans is over. While other teams have moaned about their injuries, the Titans are practically jumping for joy that they had their starting QB get hurt in Week One. Now, there is next to zero chance Vince Young will ever play as the Titans starting QB again, and for good reason.

He sucks, as we at Stampede Blue have long maintained.

Kerry Collins has stepped in and led Tennessee to their first 6-0 start in franchise history. He is now their unquestioned starting QB. Jeff Fisher would have to pull of his mask and reveal he is Wade Phillips for there to be any shot a Collins getting benched in favor of Vince Young. Collins has earned the right to start for the remainder of the season, no matter what condition Vince Young is in mentally or physically. And then, there is Collins after this season. They will have to re-sign him (he is a free agent at the end of 2008) and Kerry will ask for starting QB-caliber money. Kerry isn't dumb. This means that Vince young, the #3 overall pick in the 2006 NFL, is now a permanent back-up.

A $58 million dollar back-up who has pocketed $28 million in guaranteed money.

Now, the overall opinion of several Titans fans is that Collins is "keeping the seat warm" for Vince. Ole Vince has had a few weeks to get his head screwed on straight, get healthy, and he will get in there during the stretch run for the playoffs.

Um, no.

Collins is the Titans starter from here on out. No ifs, and, or butts. The only way Vince will see the field is if Collins is injured, and an injury to Collins is the death knell to Tennessee's 2008 season. Unlike Kerry Collins, Vince Young cannot throw the ball accurately. He is a whiner and pouts on the sideline when he doesn't get his way. Veteran leaders on his own team accused him of quitting on them. He has violated team rules, gotten into fights with teammates, and (to put it mildly) played a lot of bad, BAD football this season (both in pre-season and limited regular season action) because he doesn't know the offense.

Again, this is all pretty much universal knowledge now in league and fan circles. The reason no one is really talking about the fact that the Titans $58 million dollar QB is picking his nose on the sideline is because they are winning.

Perhaps one of the reasons the Titans are playing with such urgency this season is because they might realize they need to win it all now. Why? Well, this coming off-season things are going to get dicey for the Titans. They need to dump Vince Young and his $58 million dollar cap ball and chain. They cannot franchise DT Albert Hayneswoth again. They will either make him the highest paid defensive player in football (which is what ole Fatty will demand) or see him (and their future hopes at winning anything) walk away. And then there is Collins, a 35-year-old journey man who has won over the locker room and the fans. They will need to pay him too.

One has to give head coach Jeff Fisher a ton of credit for keeping this powder (blue) keg of a team together and focused. Along with the Vince Young fiasco, two weeks ago in a game against the Ravens, team captain Keith Bullock got into a fight with teammate Cortland Finnegan. The fight raged on the sidelines and continued on throughout the game. Again, no one really made a big deal out of it because the Titans are winning. It will be interesting to see how this team responds to a loss, or a series of loses. The Titans have always been a cocky bunch, short on smarts and long on ego. All of their antics this week may well bite them in the ass both in the short and long term. Real winners do not need the kind of silly motivation we are seeing from the Tacs.

Back to Vince, it will be interesting to see what happens to him. He is still a very talented player, but he seems to lack the mental toughness to play professional football. If there was ever an indictment as to the quality of play in the collegiate football ranks, it is Vince Young. He dominated college football, and often won games seemingly all by himself. He comes to the pros, gets treated like royalty, has excuse after excuse made for him, and then bombs out. Some suggest he may suffer from mental depression. Depression is an illness, and if Vince does have such a problem he needs to step away from the game and get help. One's mental health, or health in general, is far more important than this silly game we love to watch and play. 

Regardless of his mental health, it is clear his tenure in Tennessee is over, and with it comes an end to a period for us Colts fans. For years, we have enjoyed making fun of Vince and his cult of rabid fans. They made excuse after excuse for him, and while it often bordered on the absurd, it always fell in the realm of sheer comedy. But, like all good things, it seems Vince's time in Tac Town is up, and we Colts fans won't have Vince Young to kick around anymore in Tennessee.

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vince plays against the colts. fisher loves to bring in the unexpected against division rivals. i’d like to see vince and chris johnson in the backfield with kerry collins in shotgun. say what you want about his passing, but the boy can run. might as well try to get something for all that money

by hal41605 on Oct 25, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so?

I believe if you took the time to compare Vince Young to other players in the NFL, you’d see he’s not as athletic as Michael Vick. As far as QB’s go he is very athletic, but because of the position of QB is why Young is so dangerous to run. He is in no way fast enough to run at a HB position. As well as he wouldn’t be able to take the hits, even just one. QB’s run when it’s wide open, you take a hand off you have to run period.

by Scooty4422 on Oct 25, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's fast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9acRrOEleC8
ask houston

also you clearly have never seen vince in person. dude is huge. 6-5 230+ looks like a linebacker or TE. in pads. so the idea that he cant take hits is really funny.
personally ive never been sold on vince as a qb. but carrying the ball in the open field he is deadly.

by hal41605 on Oct 25, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This happens every other play in college football. Ironically that’s the only place Vince Young was worth a shit.

The King of anti-fail.

by KingRichard on Oct 25, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

Sorry but getting hit in the NFL is a lot different than in college. The essential reason for players not being allowed to come into the NFL straight from high school is because their bodies are not ready to take that kind of punishment. The position of QB does not have you taking the punishment of a HB, and asking someone who has always been a QB to suddenly take that kind of punishment, is crazy.

As far as the speed comparison, look it up, he finished 6th in QB’s in the 40 yard dash, at the combine. 4.58. Fast running backs are at 4.33=Reggie Bush, and 4.38=Ladanian Tomlinson. Randy Moss ran a 4.25, and Primetime himself posted a 4.23. Unofficially the best ever was Bo Jackson’s 4.12. This was before digital time keeping was used. Yes this is a big time difference, doesn’t seem so, but other than the fact of his position of QB, if he were at one of the other positions listed above, it’d be the difference between him going in the 1st round and in the 5th. Speed is important, and like I said before he’s fast, for a QB, but not as a running back. In situations were a QB runs, it’s because he has a lane to run, and the D is in no way of a position to stop him.

I’m not saying that he couldn’t be in the backfield I’m just saying nothing he has shown us, should give us reason to think he’d be successful. We are talking about a guy that has never played the position and is in no way prepared for the intensity. This is a position that doesn’t have rules keeping him from being hit too hard, or only in certain ways. If it were good to have QB’s that are like Vince run all the time, then why are they constantly being tried to be converted over to pocket QB’s in the NFL. Umm because the majority of people can not take the grueling hits for long.

I guess I’m just out of touch, with the whole situation, just seems to me that if he could do this, they’d have him do this, and other teams would use they’re athletic QB’s this way as well, but yet no one seems to do so. Interesting.

by Scooty4422 on Oct 26, 2008 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One’s mental health, or health in general, is far more important than this silly game we love to watch and play.

Ha! Especially when you’ve already made $28 million!

by jedye on Oct 25, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You'd think

with 28 million in guaranteed money, his mental health would be pretty good. I know that would do wonders for mine.

by Ayrshire on Oct 25, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know what they say

Mo Money, Mo Problems

Shonn Greene for Heisman
144 yards per game
6.5 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Oct 25, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I realize you are probably just making a joke but if not and really think that way then you are way off. If the guy is clinically depressed then money won’t magically fix the issue since it is a chemical imbalance that causes it. There are far wealthier people than Vince who suffer from depression or have killed themselves so clearly being rich doesn’t magically make one’s life perfect and have all the issues one can have in their brain vanish.

by loregnum on Oct 25, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but having money isn’t what makes them crazy, it’s the act of getting it that owns people.

The King of anti-fail.

by KingRichard on Oct 26, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and as for the BBS post since my comment above was in reply to aryshire:

I agree with most of that being said. Vince is most likely gone, he is talented but he clearly doesn’t have the mental stability right now to be playing in this league. Maybe he gets treatment (if he truly is suffering form depression or other legit illness) and can find a team and play up but who knows.

I also agree that on paper the Colts are the superior team and hopefully they can start to live up to that for the rest of the season. If people want to “blame” injuries for their poor play then fine (although other teams have had key injuries and not played as bad as Indy has so far) but it better stop now unless of course they get some major injuries. Assuming they don’t, there is no way anyone can use the injury excuse from here on out so if they continue to be off then everyone should freely admit they are just underachieving and not playing well and not make excuses….which of course is fine because every player and every team has an off year.

We shall see how this team responds Monday night. IMO Monday’s game is pretty much their season. If they lose I doubt they come back from it to do anything of real value this season other than maybe get a backdoor into the playoffs since the afc is wide open but if they win hopefully it is the beginning of a nice long run and they can pull off the division title again.

by loregnum on Oct 25, 2008 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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