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gonzo > marvin (right now)

So farris6659's fanpost and associated discussion about the Colt's WR's got me interested in looking up a few statistics.

Through 10 games, here are the comparative stats for Harrison and Gonzalez:

Gonzo: 38 recs | 438 yds | 11.5 ypr | 2 td | 0 fum
Marvin: 30 recs | 357 yds | 11.1 ypr | 3 td | 1 fum

I couldn't find a downs played statistic (I've always wished I could find one, so if anyone knows where that can be found I'd really appreciate it), but I'll guess Gonzo is playing about 1/3 as many downs as Marvin.

A Marvin defender could argue that Gonzo is in mostly on the 3WR sets where they're more likely to pass while Marvin is also on the field for more running plays in the 2TE sets, so we'll adjust and say that Marvin is only playing 2x as many passing downs as Gonzo.

What's he doing with all those extra downs? Nothing. They're statistically even. From this perspective it appears that Marvin at this point in his career is half the receiver that Gonzo is.

For more stats, I checked out Football Outsiders info on WR's.
One I found particularly interesting was the catch%, or the percent of passes directed at the player that were actually caught by the player:
Gonzo: 72% of 53 passes -> 15 downs wasted on incompletions this year
Marvin: 47% of 64 passes -> 34 downs wasted on incompletions this year

So am I a Marvin Hater? Not exactly. He's made too many amazing plays for too long for that. I just think he's bringing down my favorite team and I wish it would stop. The obvious solution seems to be to give Gonzo a lot more playing time at Marvin's expense, salaries and seniority and hurt feelings be damned!

Also, after looking at the FO stats, I feel much more justified in my man crush on Gonzo.

By the way, if Gonzo has a girl over, do you think they still sleep in the high altitude tent? Does it have room for 2? If I ever meet him in person I think that's what I'll ask.

Poll
Who's greater? (This season, not all time or projecting over whole careers.)
Marvin Harrison
10 votes
Anthony Gonzalez
43 votes
Gijon Robinson
2 votes

55 votes | Poll has closed

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Take away the game against NE and gonzo has 0 td, not saying he isn’t playing better just not scoring consistently.

by DaveT on Nov 12, 2008 3:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

True but I think that gonzo is going to be an elite receiver like Reggie Wayne is and eventually be the number 2 guy so it is great that he is putting up big numbers. Think about Tennessee sure Collins is playing great but the fact that Vince Young isn’t playing will hurt them in the long run.

by DaveT on Nov 12, 2008 6:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Benching VY is the best thing for that team.

He wasn’t playing well and he needed time to sit behind Collins to figure it out. I think that could only help that team in the long run and right now too.

Look at Aaron Rodgers. Carson Palmer. etc. All sat and it worked out. I bet sitting is going to help Leinart, too.

by yellowsnow on Nov 12, 2008 7:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just depends on the guy. Everyone is different obviously but, some people benefit from sitting out, some don’t. I personally don’t think anything is going to help VY, and it’s hilarious.

The King of Anti-Fail and Unofficial Moderator of Stupid People

by KingRichard on Nov 12, 2008 8:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Notice I never said I thought he was going to be better. But it’s definitely helping them now, and since VY got two seasons of playing time, now bench time, if he comes back and sucks it up it does help the team make a decision to dump him. That is instead of letting him suck this whole season and kill his team. But I suppose there is always a chance he will be better after sitting. I doubt it though.

by yellowsnow on Nov 12, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no it won't

one of the few things BBS and I agree is that Vince Young sucks and if he ever qbs that team again, you’ll see a fast slide to mediocrity for the Titans.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 12, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is precisely why

I was hoping Fisher would start him during our MNF game….

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 12, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gonzo is better this season but...

it’s not all Marvin’s fault. Peyton and him obviously are not on the same page for whatever reason and that is what is really hurting our team.

I’m really excited for the future of 18 to 11.

And I bet that he does bring is woman into the tent, helps with his conditioning!

by MarkFive05 on Nov 12, 2008 11:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Marvin is not done yet.

If the dude can still get open and get separation, then he’s not done. What he has is a nasty case of the drops, and that is mental. It’s probably a result of missing so much time last year, his messed home life, and the pressure he put on himself prove the critics wrong. Right now it looks like he is pressing.

Give him a few more weeks, if he doesn’t improve then look for the coaches to cut his reps as the playoff approach.

Go Ponies

by BetterD on Nov 12, 2008 1:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Could someone please close out this thread?

What started as a friendly, interesting debate about 2 of our favorite receivers has degenerated into something I haven’t seen since I was in high school, specifically in the girls’ locker room.

by LovinBlue on Nov 13, 2008 12:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I second.

This is getting ugly.

by jedye on Nov 13, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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