I’m at work too, so I don’t have time to compose the reply I want to. I will say that I got a few good laughs out of yours. And concerning your last statement, let me just say this. BBS, MasterRWayne, and yellowsnow have known me for years (yes in person too), including the rest of the people that have frequented this site for years, all know for a fact I’d say everything I’ve said thus far right to your face. I don’t play games, I don’t play internet tough guy, and I don’t do the split personality because dis iz teh interwebzorrsss bullshit either.

Before I get into this, I just want to say that due to your unfathomably inane claim that Dungy blows as a coach, completely nullifies any and everything you have said and will ever say on this site. I don’t think I need to reply to your pile of shit known as a post, but I suppose I’ll entertain myself.

I’m imagining from reading your post that you’re under the age of 18, so you don’t understand why paying taxes or money for tickets or games, etc… would entitle me to have an opinion on the matter, so I’ll avoid the portion of the subject. No sense having a discussion on a topic someone has no feeling for, my apologies.

lol The only thing this statement deserves is a big fuck you. 18? I’m shocked you didn’t pick a lower number, like 12 or something. Because you know, that’s such an original quip that I’m fucking floored right now man. You got me, you totally got me. If the world was based on style points, bro, you’d be the fucking man.

About the “I pay taxes so I can use that as an excuse to be a complete shithead” yeah, choke on a bag of dicks please. That argument is so pathetically weak it’s not even funny. Good for you, you maybe paid a few hundred dollars towards the new stadium and a few players’ salaries. BIG FUCKING DEAL.

Let’s move on to the ’you’re entitled to it, but its stupid’ portion of your panty-waste. What makes my opinion ‘stoopid’ or less-valid than yours? The fact that it doesn’t mesh with yours? The fact that it doesn’t fit neatly in with your little world of ignorance?

Because you’re beyond retarded. You are retarded to the nth degree (that’s pretty far). There’s this thing called logic dudet. You ever heard of it? I have, and I tend to use it to my best ability when faced with a situation or problem. The reason I bring this up is because if logic were a celestial being, let’s say an asteroid the size of the universe, that bitch would miss you by an infinite amount of light years. That’s how nauseously ignorant some of the things you say are.

Case in point: Dungy blows as a coach.

Go jump off of a cliff.

How has the Tampa defense fallen off since Dungy left? How has it suffered greatly since his departure? They’ve lost Warren Sapp and John Lynch and a myriad of other players (mcfarland, rice, etc…) they lost their head coach, and yet, amazingly, their defense is still performing at a high level year in and year out! Could it possibly be that maybe, just maybe, Tony Dungy didn’t invent the Cover-2 scheme which had been around since before he was an NFL player?!! Could it possibly mean that Monte Kiffin has something to do with the success of that defense!? Woah, no way, jose!

FaceFackinPalm Who said Tony Dungy invented the Cover 2? I didn’t. No one around here has said that either. Tony Dungy is just infamous for imploying that type of defense. Since you have no clue about how the Tampa 2 defense came to be, or where it originated from, here’s a little bit of knowledge for you.

This is a excerpt from wikipedia of all places (this took me about two seconds to find btw):

The Tampa 2 is an American football defensive strategy popularized by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers National Football League (NFL) team in the mid 1990s-early 2000s. The term rose to popularity due to the installation and excellent execution of this defensive scheme by then-head coach Tony Dungy and defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin.

The roots of the Tampa 2 system actually are in the Steel Curtain days of Pittsburgh football. Tony Dungy has been quoted to say "My philosophy is really out of the 1975 Pittsburgh Steelers playbook," said Dungy during media interviews while at Super Bowl XLI. "That is why I have to laugh when I hear ‘Tampa 2’. Chuck Noll and Bud Carson — that is where it came from, I changed very little."

So basically what this says is, Tony Dungy didn’t invent shit, neither did Monte Kiffin. All they did was take the basic philosophies of those used by Chuck Noll and Bud Carson and basically updated it so it would work best in the modern NFL. Like fucking duh obviously.

Back to the point (or lack there of) of your particular statement; is it really surprising to see that the defense that Monte Kiffin co-implemented didn’t decline? No, not really.

And to that end, what improvement have you seen from the Colts’ defense since Dungy has been here? Has it ever become the defense you saw in Tampa Bay? Has it even come close to that defense? I think its pretty clear that the 2006 playoffs were the exception, not the rule. Also, I was going to leave this out, wait for you to give me the obvious rebuttle, and then embarass you, but I’m busy today, so I’ll just give it to you now, let you scramble for something else to invent, and save myself some time… I’m sure you and others will say ‘bu bu but Dungy’s strapped with a team that spends all of his money on the offense!!! WHAT EVER CAN HE DO!!!’. The Colts spend 57% of their cap on offense and 43% of it on D/ST. WOAH, total imbalance.

Considering Monte Kiffin didn’t come to the Colts and run the defense, no I’m not surprised it wasn’t a mirror image of the Bucs defense. Dungy is the head coach afterall, he can only do so much. Otherwise, what’s the point in having a DC in the first place? Though I do recall the 2004, 2005, and 2007 (despite the insane amount of injuries) being pretty good. Regardless, I’m failing to see how this makes Dungy a bad coach.

If you really thought I was going to say something about how the defense is underfunded, then you’re dumber than I thought.

I’m not sure what you’re having trouble with here… I was giving my reasons about why I don’t like Dungy as a football coach. There are football reasons (which I’m mentioning) and there are football (but not necessarily on the field) reasons. This brings me back to my earlier point about you having no sense of a topic. This is how things are usually done. First, you state your opinion or thesis or posit, and then you state your reasons for feeling it. Thats what I was doing, pretty simple thought structure. When I cheer for a team, I want the head coach of that team to be coaching the team. Not writing books. Not signing autographs. Not doing God’s work. Coaching football. When you go to work, does your boss want you to do your job or does he want you to do anything but?

Ok, I’ll use your format to reply to this.

Opinion or thesis or posit: Nideak is a tool.
Reasons: Everything he has said on this website.

Hey, I kind of like this.

Oh and lol @ you trying to compare my life to that of a NFL coach. My god your stupidity is overwhelming. All you are saying is, you want everyone in the NFL to have no life whatsoever outside of football. I think I’ll quote myself from earlier and say, “Fuck you.”

No, Douchebag McReally dumb, I didn’t miss the point. The only thing that colts have a lot of are losses, and the quality of play in those games is quite putrid. But yea, I understand, its not the defense’s fault. Let’s look at some numbers from the previous 3 playoff losses, shall we? (Two of them were one and done years) This was what the mighty mighty defense was able to do vs. the Chargers, Steelers, and Patriots:

A time of possession of 103 minutes for the opposition to 77 minutes for the Colts. A 3rd down conversion rate of 22 of 36 for 61% In all 3 games the Colts allowed a greater than 50% conversion rate on 3rd down (and against a San Diego team with back ups). Against the Steelers this conversion rate was up to 70%

Now, in two of these games (steelers and chargers) the Colts’ had two weeks to prepare for their opponent. Both games were at home. They didn’t have to worry about weather, crowd noise, travel times, anything.

Now I’ll grant you that Dungy probably oversees the defense more than the offense, but he’s still the HEAD coach, correct? So before you say ‘its the offenses fault’, Dungy is still signing off on stuff, right? Or are you saying he’s neutered to the point of having no say in the offense. You understand that you can’t have it both ways. If he’s a good head coach, then he’s got to have the balls to say ‘hey, this isn’t working on offense, lets try something new’, right? Right.

Horaay for you, you just did exactly what you lambast shake n bake for doing all day long. Twisting stats to support your (weak) claim. Nothing you just listed proves or even supports your theory that the defense was the reason the Colts lost those games.

The more that I think about it, the more I laugh at the fact that you are trying to use twist this around and use against Dungy. How the hell can you sit there and say that because Manning threw four interceptions as the Colts lost 24-14 in the 2003 AFCCG, and in the 2004 divisional game they lost 20-3 that it’s somehow the defense’s fault. Oh and apparently you forgot that in the 2005 game against the Steelers, the defense was the reason why the Colts even had a chance to win that game in the end, you know because of that FUMBLE recovery by Harper. If that fucking idiot Vaderjact had made that field goal, I might not even be having this ridiculous argument with you about how Dungy sucks so bad. Jesus, how stupid can you be?

I mean even bringing up the Chargers game is pathetic too. Half of the team was injured, Harrison fumbled, Kenton Keith practically played for the Chargers (I’m surprised he didn’t get to collect a game check). There was a shit ton more going on in that game than what you are providing. So shut the fuck up.

This comment is a non-starter. You have to be in the playoffs for it to matter. Do you see why? Here’s a hint: If you give up 200 yards a game rushing and your offense sucks and you finish 3-13 and don’t make the playoffs, the NFL doesn’t go to you and say ‘hey, would you like to play 4 more games to give the world a chance to see that you can stop a one-dimensional team from running the ball?’ I mean, you’re not on par with Donovan ’There’s ties in football’ McNabb, are you? You understand that if you don’t MAKE the playoffs, you can’t take part in the playoffs.. right? Please? I fear…

I’m starting to think you are nothing but a troll. Do you even watch any Colts games? Do you even keep up with how the team is doing other than just running and grabbing some bullshit stats to support your half-assed opinion? The defense wasn’t as bad as you are trying to portray. Yes, they were bad at times, but it was mainly just the run defense. It didn’t help the best run stopper on the team, and a soon-to-be key addition hadn’t played the entire season, otherwise they probably wouldn’t have been that bad. Better yet I’ll go as far as to say they would have been pretty good, kind of like in the fucking playoffs when those two people I’m referring to WERE ACTUALLY PLAYING. CRAZY ISN’T IT?!?!jogtasgjtagtj I know, I totally just blew your mind huh?

First, I would argue that if you have to think about an answer to a question, you’re not 100% committed to the answer. If my wife were to say to me, ‘do you love me’, and I told her ’I’ll get back to you in a couple of weeks’, even if I come back with a ‘yes, I love you more than anything in the whole world’, I’m pretty sure that I’m not 100% committed to that answer. It’s pretty much common sense.

lol weak

Second, openly naming your successor also undermines your ability to coach a team. It won’t have an effect on the vets, for sure. They’ll do whatever is asked of them by anyone, because thats the type of people Manning, Saturday, Wayne, Addai, Freeney, etc… are. But if you don’t think kids out of college, who would tune out vince lombardi, aren’t effected to some degree, you’re fooling yourself. It would have been rather easy to give Caldwell this ridiculous (imo) contract that made him the head coach if/when Dungy retires, and have it be kept secret. Then there would be no distraction, nothing. Even if everything the Colts say is on the level, even if Dungy truly is 100% committed and doesn’t know when he’ll retire, doing all of this in the open just invites media scrutiny, and when has that ever brought anything good?

What does any of this shit have to do with Dungy not giving 100%? Oh right, nothing. Next!

So you’re basically conceeding my point, then? I mean, its a valid argument, and since you choose not to state any argument in defense of it (which is basically your whole post, btw), I’ll just taking that to mean you’re attempting the ‘neiner neiner’ defense.

facepalm again No, that doesn’t mean I’m conceeding anything actually. As I stated earlier, comparing an NFL head coaching position to a normal 9-5 job is laughable, completely and utterly laughable. My god.

This about sums up your post, quite suscinctly. You said a whole lot while saying nothing. You had no problem calling me names and attacking me personally, but you never really gave me an argument as to what was good about Dungy as a coach. Oh, right, we have a Super Bowl! Well, okay then. I guess it was all Tony Dungy, right? If Tony Dungy is the sole reason for the success of the team, he’s the sole reason for their failures, too, I guess. And this team (and tampa) had many more failures than successes.

There’s nothing I can say to this or the statement I replied with the Ok in the first place. It’s riddled with sarcastic rhetoric that makes no sense.

Should a team with the #1 defense in the league and what many considered to be one of the best of all time never make the super bowl, not once? Should a team with the #1 offense in the league and maybe one of the best all time make the super bowl only once and have 3 one and dones?

Sure why not, it happens all the time.
Ditto.
This doesn’t support your claims at all by the way.

And the thing about the Colts (i don’t remember the Tampa Bay days so much) is that when they lose a playoff game, its almost NEVER pretty. I mean, they are usually never hard fought, close games. The Colts, in their losses, are almost always dominated. I guess the Chargers game is the exception to the rule. Shutter to think of what the score would have been were the Chargers able to field starters on offense. But, unlike the Colts, the Chargers were able to overcome their injuries…

Ok what’s your point? Oh you don’t have one, shocker indeed.

Further, I asked this question earlier, and to my suprise (sarcasm) i didn’t get an answer… Since yours is the only opinion which is right and relevant, that obviously means you know a little something about football. Name the last time you saw the Colts come out, give up a bunch of yards and/or points to a team and then Dungy make an adjustment. And tell me, please, what that adjustment was. By the way, ‘do what we do’ is not an adjustment, its a 4 word phrase. When I say adjustment, I mean use a football term or two, if you can. Don’t strain yourself.

How the fuck should I know? I’m not on the field in the huddles, in the locker room, or stalking the Colts at every second of the day. Besides, teams usually don’t come right out and say, “yeah blah blah blah this is what we did because they were exploiting this weakness of ours blah blah blah.” Do you think that would be smart? Because I sure as hell don’t.

This will be the point of my next post: Dungy is a fine teacher. He can teach the fundamentals to his young kids. He can, for the most part, get across the idea of what he wants done on a football field (i say for the most part, because for all his teaching, he clearly doesn’t trust anyone to ever press a receiver… god forbid we prevented 3-step drops from having a free 6 yards EVERY play), but as far as a game coach goes, he’s in the bottom of the barrell. He doesn’t make adjustments, he doesn’t see what a team is doing and try to exploit it. He does two things: He lets the greatest presnap quarterback of our era (i can’t say all time because I honestly wouldn’t know) adjust as best he can to the ideas, concepts, and schemes being used by the defense, and he says ‘Just keep doing what we do, just do it a litte better’.

It’s common knowledge that a majority of the mistakes made on the football field are from lapse in following through with their rudimentary skills. Tackling a person wrong, missing a gap, running a route wrong, blowing a blocking assignment, etc etc etc. These are all easily fixable if a coach can settle his players down and explain to them that what they are doing will work, they just need to do a little better at what they were coached. That’s like, one of the most basic concepts in football man. That’s exactly what Tony Dungy has always preached, and I’m sure a plethora of other coaches in every sport around the world preaches as well.