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2008 MVP Race: If people are still talking Kurt Warner, they are clueless

Look, I'm not knocking Kurt Warner. He is a major reason why the Cardinals will get to the playoffs this year. He has re-invented himself and won the respect of his teammates by continuing to work hard, stay focused, and lead by example. His success story in the NFL is one that will inspire future players for years to come: Unknown former-Arena league player who used to bag groceries goes on to win two league MVPs, a Super Bowl, and a Super Bowl MVP. Amazing. Inspiring. His second (or third) act as a player is yet another reason to cheer for Kurt.

But he is in no way, shape, or form the 2008 NFL regular season MVP.

More so than any other year, the regular season MVP award will truly be a watershed mark for sports writers. It will show us (the fans) if these idiots truly do watch and understand the game they are paid six figures a year to write about and comment on. How? By seeing whether or not these people vote for Kurt Warner or Peyton Manning for league MVP.

I've met several key sports writers who work for established media. I've seen how they work and how they approach the NFL. So, when you see me rant and rave as to how collectively stupid many of these people are, know that I speak from first-hand experience in dealing with them. Many of these guys watch maybe a few games of one player, look at their overall stats on NFL.com, and then select their MVP choice.

That's it.

So, knowing how many of these schmucks evaluate games, it seems there will be a few people who will throw votes at Kurt Warner, a player who has yet to QB his team to a win against an opponent with a winning record on the road. The Cardinals have only 3 wins against opponents that currently have winning records. One of those teams is the Dolphins. The three quality teams Warner and the Cardinals have faced on the road (Washington, NY Jets, and Carolina) handed the red birds loses. 

Warner, for his part, played very poorly in those games, tossing 6 TDs, 5 INTs, and committing 5 fumbles. On the road, against quality opponents, Kurt Warner has committed 8 turnovers in three games. On the road against everyone else (all with losing records) Warner has only 2 turnovers in three games. Last Sunday, against the NY Giants in Glendale, Warner had an INT and 2 fumbles (losing one). His QB rating was 79, and both his lost turnovers resulted in Giants points. Yet, despite Warner's putrid play in a big game in his home stadium against a quality opponent, established media morons like Peter King brush off the turnovers and sloppy play and look at only one stat when they judge who the best player in the NFL is: Yards.

MVP Watch

1. Kurt Warner, QB, Arizona. Ho-hum. A 351-yard day, and he didn't play very well. Not enough to move him out of the lead, though.

I've given up on trying to understand Peter King's buffoonery. The guy has covered the NFL for a gazillion years and seem to still get a woody for player who throws for over 300 yards no matter how many times they turn the football over and kill their team's chance to win games by taking sacks at inopportune times (things Warner has done in spades this year).

Oh Well. Ho-hum. Golly gee. I'm still going to rank Warner #1 in the MVP race even though he has yet to QB his team to a win on the road against a quality opponent, and he fumbles more so than any other starting QB active right now.

Sadly, I'm thinking King's take on the MVP race is shared by more than a few influential media people. They don't look at what the player has actually done and look solely at the numbers: 70% completion percentage, 3,506 yards, 21 TDs, 8 INTs, team going to win division. They look at those blind figures, mark a check in the box next to Warner, Kurt, and then sit back in their easy chairs and write about the kind of coffee they like to drink in airports.

Someone shoot me.

For the rest of us, the people who actually watch the football games and know something about the game, Peyton Manning is the 2008 MVP so far. When Kurt Warner goes into Pittsburgh and tosses 3 TDs and no turnovers in a victory, you can call him an MVP. When Kurt Warner converts a 4th down, mid-field play with 24 seconds left to get his kicker in range to beat the Chargers in San Diego, you can call him MVP. When Kurt Warner leads his team back down 15-0 in the fourth quarter to beat the Vikings in Minnesota, he is the MVP. When Kurt Warner blasts the Baltimore Ravens defense, he is the MVP.

Since Warner has not even come remotely close to accomplishing any of these feats, and has spent much of the year beating up on the putrid NFC West, the MVP discussion starts and ends with Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning has also had to deal with tremendous adversity to get his team back into the playoff discussion, much more than Warner:

  • Injuries to his o-line (only one player has started every game, and that one player is the worst o-lineman of the bunch)
  • Injuries to his running backs
  • No Bob Sanders for his defense
  • Injuries to himself (recovering from staph infection in knee)
  • A holy-friggin-crap schedule that had road games in Minnesota, Tennessee, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and San Diego.

And despite all the big wins, great comebacks victories, and insanely spectacular clutch play, people like King still rank Peyton #2 behind Kurt Warner. Heck, even if you put Manning's numbers in front of them (62% completion, 2,823 yards, 19 TDs, 10 INTs, 1 rushing TD, zero fumbles) I get the sense that many of these established media morons would still hand Kurt Warner his third MVP award over Peyton Manning.

Un-friggin-believable.

Again, this year's MVP race will be a watershed mark for these established media writers. I'm not writing this to bash Warner or take his 2008 accomplishments lightly. I just think these media guys are looking to give the award to Warner because it is a better story than giving it to the more deserving Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning getting the award is boring. I admit that. He is great and we know it. Giving it to Warner will make people feel good and remind everyone that they should never quit at anything because America is all about second chances... that kind of stuff. However, awarding it to Warner because it will sell more magazines and newspapers because it is a great "feel good" story belittles the award.

The MVP goes to the NFL's best player. Peyton Manning is the NFL's best player right now, and he has played better than Kurt Warner. Thus, Manning gets MVP, and anyone who disagrees simply does not know or understand football. The only other player I would consider over Manning this year is Brett Favre. When you go into Tennessee and dominate the Titans, you are now firmly in the MVP hunt. Also, the Jets had 4 wins last year. This year, they are competing for the #1 seed in the AFC.

This past Sunday should have ended all the Kurt Warner for MVP talk. He played awful, AGAIN, against a quality opponent. Only this time, he played awful in Arizona. Unfortunately, we still have people like Peter King influencing this award. Hopefully, Peter will come to his senses and see what a jackass he looks like by still batting for Warner. I mean Christ, Peter! When Bill Simmons starts making more sense than you on the MVP subject, that should be a wake up call!

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I disagree - it should be Eli

for reference, see comments in “Jay 16 looks in on the Colts future. His game thoughts on the Colts problems and the answers”

by psvirsky on Nov 25, 2008 12:00 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eli

Eli has had the best o-line and running game in the league backing him up. He won’t get any votes.

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by BigBlueShoe on Nov 25, 2008 12:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and a top 5 defense

by psvirsky on Nov 25, 2008 12:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

This is not to belittle Eli. He has played excellent football this year. They just win more by running the ball and with defense. and Eli isn’t better than Peyton. Though, he is getting closer.

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by BigBlueShoe on Nov 25, 2008 12:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

definitely not better than Peyton. But, he still is a bit of a hero these days still, after winning the superbowl. He made my year by knocking the Pats out of it. We would have never heard the end of 19-0.

by Ayrshire on Nov 25, 2008 12:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

YEP!

Eli’s breaking those tackles prior to throwing that pass to Tyree was amazing. He’s definitely more mobile than Peyton.

Not MVP, tho. I love Eli, my second favorite QB. But the Giants have probably the best team overall:

1) Their defense rocks ( – both pass and run- I think the only are that they may be a little weak is their DBs), t

2) Their O-Line is one of the best (if not the best) in football right now.

3) They have 3 running backs that are the perfect combination (I would love to have a guy like Jacobs on the Colts)

4) They have Plax and Toomer.

5) Smith is becoming Mr. Reliable

6) Hixon – man, that kid is great!

7) Boss is coming along at TE.

8) AND, there’s Feagles – who is the best at getting the ball within the 10 yard line -

9) Carney’s doing better than Tynes has.

So, I don’t know – did I leave anyone out?

Eli’s numbers would be better if he had to throw the ball more, but he hasn’t had to. He’s developing into a great QB. His improvement just since last year at this time is like night and day.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 25, 2008 1:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's amazing what kind of swagger

a superbowl victory can give you. I think the added confidence definitely let’s a QB relax and elevate his game. You know…….the pressure’s gone,….so to speak.

by Ayrshire on Nov 25, 2008 1:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Eli is like a different person this year. It’s really good to see.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 25, 2008 1:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Speaking of jay16, that guy needs to be banned. He’s a troll, and everyone knows it. I texted Anthony about it but he doesn’t seem to want to reply to my messages. :(

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by KingRichard on Nov 25, 2008 12:08 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh and I agree, Manning should be the MVP but I’m obviously biased.

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by KingRichard on Nov 25, 2008 12:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yah im with king richard

im not sure why other than the fact that we are internet drinking buddies of some sort… but im sure hes right

by zkmavz on Nov 25, 2008 12:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's right.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 25, 2008 12:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

apparently this is a referendum so

I’m for it. If it was up to me he would have been gone yesterday.

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6.2 yards per carry
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by shake n bake on Nov 25, 2008 12:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well done, BBS.

With all of the adversity Peyton has dealt with this year elevates him above the others, in my opinion.

When you carry your team on your shoulders to pull out some amazing wins, you are the MVP. I can’t think of anyone else who has even come close to doing that.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 25, 2008 12:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i gagree

peyton is the mvp of the league and my heart… what?

i think im still feeling the affects of the aaron rodgers/favre drinkin game i played with my self last night horray beer

by zkmavz on Nov 25, 2008 12:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When its all said and done

I think the two people who will compete for MVP will be Brett Farve and Peyton Manning…I say Farve because these writers are so stuck up on him that they gotta mention him… but also he has helped turned around a 4-12 team to a possible 12-4 team…but i think Manning should get it with the adversity he has gone through and really the team wouldn’t be 7-4 without him.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Nov 25, 2008 12:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget Favre wasn't the only person the Jets added this year

Didn’t they add like 4 or 5 starting free agents. Including 2 Pro bowlers on the Offensive Line? Favre was not the only non-draft addition the Jets made this year. By the way Pennington is playing in Miami I think it’s safe to say the Jets would have finished with at least 9-10 wins if they had kept him instead of trading for Favre.

by Rob-Westside on Nov 25, 2008 3:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kris Jenkins was huge too

he’s been a monster now that he has a position and weight goal that better fits his build and off the field work ethic.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Big Ten's leading Rusher, Leads FBS
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Nov 25, 2008 3:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude your rants are awesome

and they usually make my day

i love you

by zkmavz on Nov 25, 2008 12:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

I try.

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by BigBlueShoe on Nov 25, 2008 12:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL, stats

When you get to play the Niners twice, the Rams twice, and the Seahawks twice, your stats should get a big fat asterisk. Almost half their schedule is utterly hopeless teams with no defense and no chance. If the Colts played the Lions six times, I guarantee Peyton would have some jaw-dropping numbers.

by slash196 on Nov 25, 2008 3:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm hopeful

that Peyton will have huge stats the next few games to make the stats only people pay attention.

by jedye on Nov 25, 2008 5:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BBS, That was an awesome rant and I (unfortunately) agree wholeheartedly about the voters’ lazy idiocy. With that laziness in mind, I suggest that if Brees breaks Marino’s yardage record, he’s ahead of Warner. If I had a vote, I’d be sorely tempted to vote for Haynesworth. Remove him and the AFC’s #1 seed might not win its division.

If 18 throws up gaudy stats in the next few games it’ll help win over the stat-heads, but minus Jeff Saturday, even with the soft sked, it’ll be tougher.

Bobman

by Bobman on Nov 25, 2008 4:05 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peter King IS AN Idiot

In P.K’s article immediately following the recent election, he paused to provide some introspection about (paraphrasing here) how great a country it is we live in when a guy who is born of an “African-American father and a white mother” can become president of the US. I had to send him an email stating that that President-Elect’s father is from Kenya, and Kenyan’s aren’t “African-American” they are KENYAN….just underscoring the point that Peter thinks all black people everywhere on this planet Earth are A.A.’s ……and his “insight” is a gold standard in professional football reporting…HA!

he didn’t reply……

Peter King is an idiot.

by peterbones on Nov 25, 2008 4:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoa...it's so quiet here inside the bubble..

..can’t hear a thing from outside. And the colors, wow….I’ve never seen a sky quite that shade. Sure, I’ll have sip, what’s in it?………Mmm…tastes a bit different……makes everything seem different…..I’d like to stay here forever, I feel so warm and protected…..Can I have another sip?…..Wow…..far out…I’ll just look at that sky for awhile and try to figure out how to describe the color…..

by robert ethan on Nov 25, 2008 6:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reason Peyton should be MVP

When Kurt Warner gets the ball back with 1:30 left in the game with both teams tied, how many people just know that the Cardinals will pull it off? With Peyton, everybody knows he’ll get it done. While this isn’t Peyton’s best season statistically, he is simply willing the team to victory. I think we’re bias because we’ve seen the gaudy numbers before (and Peyton got the award back then), but now, Peyton is being clutch. It’s remarkable and it deserves more attention.

by hoosierdore on Nov 26, 2008 3:40 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is remarkable!

It’s just not MVP material. Sorry.

by BeansCarter on Nov 26, 2008 7:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And who do you think should be the MVP?

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by KingRichard on Nov 26, 2008 8:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In order?

1. Warner
2. Brees
3. Porter
4. Haynesworth
5. Portis
6. Ryan
7. Favre
8. P. Manning

by BeansCarter on Nov 26, 2008 9:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

Haynesworth #4. That’s a good one, BeansCarter. Needed a good laugh this morning.

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by BigBlueShoe on Nov 26, 2008 10:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's hard to understand how an interior lineman can be that important to a team, I know

especially since there are few stats to look at and the cameraman rarely focuses on that player.

I don’t expect a DT to receive the award because so many of the fans don’t understand the nuances of the game and are fixated on skill positions.

In Tennessee’s case, given that the Defense wins the games, it’s an easy case to make.

by BeansCarter on Nov 26, 2008 12:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most
Retarded
List
Ever

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by KingRichard on Nov 26, 2008 10:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can you please

Get a life? Seriously? Get…a…life. Or talk about football, or something. Just stop being such a cockroach on this blog.

by BeansCarter on Nov 26, 2008 12:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get a life like, going to a rival team’s blog saying a bunch of nonsense you just pulled out of your ass contrary to what most people here (and around the NFL) think just for shits and giggles while trying to earn cool points as well but in reality making himself look like a major dick in the process? You mean that kind of life? I’ll pass.

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by KingRichard on Nov 26, 2008 1:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You gave us a list

but where are your reasons?

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 26, 2008 10:56 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The reasons are self-evident to me

but are also subjective, since you are discounting the importance of stats, we could go around in circles on this forever.

But I’ll tell you this, at the end of the year,when Peyton Manning does not get the MVP award, it won’t be because the rest of the world is full of idiots, and you guys are the priviledged few that can see the truth.

by BeansCarter on Nov 26, 2008 12:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't believe I have accused anyone of idiocy

for disagreeing.

I will admit that I think Peyton should be MVP every year…yeah…I don’t quite live in reality all of the time.

I think that this year he certainly deserves it (see arguments above).

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 26, 2008 1:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Best Teams in the AFC

1. New York Jets
2. Indianapolis Colts
3. Pittsburgh Steelers
4. Baltimore Ravens
5. New England Patriots
6. Tennessee Titans.

The reasons are self-evident to me, but are also subjective. We could go around in circles on this forever.

See how ridiculous that is. You discount Manning as an MVP because you hate the Colts. That’s fine, everyone has their own opinion. And Manning may, in fact, not win the MVP. He could get hurt next week, and it doesn’t matter. But you make it seem like anyone who would consider him for MVP is an idiot, which is completely untrue, and you know it. Nobody is “head and shoulders” above anyone else at this point.

Answer this question: How many games would the Colts have won without Peyton Manning? That’s why he should be the MVP. He’s played the 2nd toughest schedule in the NFL, has them at 7-4, and will put up some pretty good numbers over the next 3 weeks.

by mgrex03 on Nov 26, 2008 1:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would argue that Peyton has them 6-5 at best...

And Sage Rosen-Copter has them at 7-4.

I don’t discount Peyton because I hate the Colts. My belief is that the the Pats are overrated, and you beat tthe Steelers when Roethlesberger played like crap. Your wins are over-hyped.

A Win against the Chargers is not in and of itself very impressive, but Peyton put up an awesome clutch performance and deserves credit for the win. The dominance of the Ravens was also awesome. That, I’ll give you. I’m a huge fan of the game, and I love to see great performances. It’s just that it will take more than two of them to convince me PM deserves league MVP.

I believe that Manning has carried more than his share and he certainly deserves MVP of the Colts.

by BeansCarter on Nov 26, 2008 1:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can agree with the record

Wins are wins, no matter when they occur, or who they are against. I think the Titan’s have played a pretty weak schedule, but you can only beat the teams on your schedule. The Patriots are still 7-4, in a position to potentially make the playoffs. They don’t make their schedule, and they’ve done fairly well against it.

Manning also won the Minnesota game, mostly by himself. So it is 3.

I’m not ready to hand Manning the MVP right now. Others may outplay him the rest of the year, and deserve to win. I’d still argue, right now, very few guys have as good an argument as Manning has.

by mgrex03 on Nov 26, 2008 1:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Get over the Sage thing.

So, when you play the Steelers, that will be when Ben doesn’t play like crap?

C’mon now.

Sure, Sage is an idiot, made idiot decisions which our D capitalized on and to go even further, Peyton capitalized as well. Those TDs were NOT gimmes, by any stretch of the imagination.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 26, 2008 1:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok. If you're going down that road.

Who have the Titans beaten with an impressive record? Seriously.

Nobody. Not even the Colts at the time.

And yet, y’all were strutting around like this Titans team was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I would venture to say that our wins over Pitt, the Pats, Baltimore and even San Diego are far more impressive than any of the Titans’ wins.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 26, 2008 4:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol Porter

he almost got suspended by the team for refusing to leave the game after he drew back to back personal fouls. The last defensive player to win the MVP was LT when he set the single season sack record. Porter isn’t even close to that level.

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by shake n bake on Nov 26, 2008 12:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LT>Porter

Most definitely.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 26, 2008 12:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Porter has 14.5 sacks in 11 games

He’s on pace to get 21 sacks.

Single season record is 22.5 set by Strahan in 2001. Gastineau got 22 in 1984 and Reggie White got 21 in 1987.

Any player who gets 20 sacks in a season deserves to be in the conversation. Let’s see where he finishes.

by BeansCarter on Nov 26, 2008 12:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He can be in the conversation, sure

As history has taught us, sacks alone does not win you the MVP. I can’t find any voting results other than last year, so I can’t find where these 3 guys finished. But they didn’t win the MVP, even when having > 20 sacks.

Only LT did, and he was in a league of his own. Porter isn’t remotely close to being as dominant as Taylor was in ’86. It obviously takes a season like that for a QB/RB not to win the MVP.

by mgrex03 on Nov 26, 2008 1:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would trade MVP...

for a Super Bowl victory…and I bet Peyton would too!! Who gives a crap about MVP?

by TRDean on Nov 26, 2008 8:02 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not both

That is what I want. :)

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by BigBlueShoe on Nov 26, 2008 10:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Warner for MVP

His wins have been against mostly crappy teams: TRUE
He has struggled against the better teams: TRUE

But he’s all that the Cardinals have got. He’s got the worst rushing attack in the entire NFL and the defense is the 27th ranked scoring D. Opposing teams know that KW’s right arm is the only thing that can hurt them and they gear up to shut him down.

As for Peyton’s resume: Are you calling a road victory in SD a ‘quality’ win?
- Also what about road losses to GB and TEN by a combined 30 points? For the record he threw four picks and two TD in those two games.
- Oh yea and home losses to CHI and JAC where Peyton combined for 2 picks and 2 TDs.

There’s no clear cut, run away winner this year but to say Warner would be an undeserving candidate is pretty inaccurate, IMO. Both guys bullet points and both guys have some performances that they’d just assume forget. Let’s see how the season plays out but for now, Warner’s candidacy is still alive.

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