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Why I say "no" to DeAngelo Hall (and why thinking he will be a Colt is a pipe dream)

Last year, we Mike Florioed a rumor that the Colts were going ot trade for DeAngelo Hall. It didn't happen. I'm thankful for that. For all the hype and press Hall gets, the fact of the matter is he is not a good corner. Hall can't carry Kelvin Hayden's and Marlin Jackson's jocks. I don't even think he is better than Tim Jennings or Dante Hughes. Maybe he is better than Ratliff. Maybe.

I know Indy's secondary is banged up, but Hall is not the answer. Hall gets beat... ALOT. I swear he has to wear a flame retardant jersey he gets burned so much. He also doesn't like to tackle, hasn't played much zone, and his ideal is Deion Sanders.

Deion friggin Sanders.

So, while I agree a boost to the Colts secondary would help, DeAngelo Hall is likely not the answer. Of course, watch me be totally wrong and Bill Polian signs the guy just to make people like me look like a schmuck.

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Polian will never sign this turd. He’s a cancer and only cares about De’Angelo. He was actually a decent player for what? Like two seasons? Jerry Jones will have him wearing a star on the side of his helmet in no time.

by session55 on Nov 5, 2008 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

You nailed it!
Jerry Jones will have him wearing a star on the side of his helmet in no time.

He needs someone to replace Pacman….

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 5, 2008 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

The even have similar play styles, they like to gamble on jumping the route to try for interceptions. Except, Hall isn’t as fast as Pacman, so he isn’t as successful at it.

by hartley on Nov 5, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me say first that I do not think the Colts should sign or pick up Hall because that would be crazy due to that his talent is not worth his price tag. But to say that Hall is not better than Ratliff or Graham is a little inaccurate. If you put Jackson or Hayden into a Raiders uniform and have them play man to man, then they would get beat more times than not…because they are cover corners just like Hall. It was stupid in the first place for the Raiders to sign him because he does not fit their scheme, but good I guess for Hall because he got his money. Again, the Colts will not…and should not sign Hall, but he was put into a bad situation in Oakland

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Nov 5, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

Hall would not be able to spread around his cancer disease because if he pulls anything like that, he would be gone

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Nov 5, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

I couldn’t believe Jerry Rice could end his career there. Who could possibly play for Al Davis?

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 5, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

But to say that Hall is not better than Ratliff or Graham is a little inaccurate.

A little? That is a great example of the bbs-bias factor in overdrive. Saying something so absurd doesn’t make him sound funny, it’s just embarrassing.

He does it with Moss and TO as well and it’s sickening. Any player he doesn’t like and he starts doing super exaggerations on them. All the colts starting corners are mediocre, except Hayden playing a notch above that…clearly the ones on the bench are no better or they would be starting. Oh wait, Dungy has a reserve of corners that are all better than Hall yet no team wants them or is even willing to pay them 1 million much less multi-millions.

by tapper on Nov 5, 2008 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

bbs bias factor? nah, never. He just knows all. Every Colts player is great and has no attitude issues while all those other guys suck, are assholes and tear teams apart.

BBS knows all son and is unbiased. I mean shit, he runs a football blog for a specific team. What more do you need as proof of this?

Not only this but Bill Polian is the Jesus of GMs and every move he does is flawless. Same as Dungy as the head coach.

by loregnum on Nov 5, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, Hall blows, open your eyes.

The King of anti-fail.

by KingRichard on Nov 5, 2008 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Hall blows for the money that he makes…thats the Raiders fault. If Hall was paid the same amount as Ratliff or Graham for the rest of the season (which will not happen), then Hall should be picked up.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Nov 5, 2008 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember...

This is the same team that kicked Ed Johnson to the curb without so much as a pat on the a** on the way out…no way they take a chance on a guy who has been a nightmare to coach his entire career and mess with the chemistry on an underachieving team.

by indy15 on Nov 5, 2008 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

Marlin Jackson sucks as do the rest of the Colts corners.

Are some of the colts diehards here blind? The corners SUCK. They have to leave 45 yard cushions because they can’t cover. Only the most diehard of Colts fans could try and act like the CBs on this team are decent when they are giving up pass play after pass play.

You say hall gets beat constantly…umm, do you know what happens whenever Indy’s corners attempt to play man coverage? They GET KILLED. There is a REASON why they play with the 2 safeties deep so much and it isn’t because they have faith the CBs can cover well. I would even go as far to say indy may have the worst set of CBs in the NFL.
 
Oh and BBS trashing Deion Sanders…funny. Shows to me you know even less about football than I thought you did.

Some people need to grasp that just because someone may not like a guy does not mean he isn’t good at what he does. Deion may have come off as an ass in his prime but the guy was flat out the best corner of the 90s and of this generation and you can poll the entire NFL world and it’d almost be universal praise for the guy but hey, I guess you know more about the sport than the coaches, players, and everyone else involved in the NFL. You are the key son. Oh and who gives a shit if he didn’t like to tackle? People rarely threw to him because he did this thing called…COVERING THE RECEIVER. Oh wow, marlin Jackson might be a good tackler…big deal since he can’t defend the pass worth shit. Champ Bailey isn’t the greatest of tacklers and tries to avoid it as much as possible…I guess he is a shit corner too, right?

BBS should not be allowed to talk about football since on a daily basis he shows his idiocy. Lets go through some BBS gems:

-the colts will destroy the titans. yep, that worked out

-the colts are the best team in the nfl. yep, sure showing it

-injuries are still the reason why Indy has been mediocre this year even though they played their worst ball when they had the least amount of injuries AND they went 13-3 last season with as many or more injuries with pretty much the same roster.

-the Packers are idiots for not sucking favre’s dick when he decided to come back. Yep, favre is amazing with his league leading 12 INTs and if it wasn’t for the 6 td game vs the Cards Favre would be on pace to having his worst season. Meanwhile Rodgers, in his FIRST real season, is playing great.

-says Albert haynesworth isn’t that good and is lazy. Uh huh….

I could go on and on with examples of the lack of actual logic concerning the sport of pro football OR the guy flipping his opinion but there is no point because anyone who knows he is a biased douche doesn’t need extra confirmation and those who think the guy is informative will just refuse to put value in anything I say. The sad thing is he can actually be informative and logical at times but then he will go and post this type of ridiculous crap.

If hall would sign for cheap then he’d be good to get (IMO he is a pretty good corner but I would not want to invest a lot in him) but obviously he won’t so there is no point in talking about it. Oh and wtf cares how he may have been? Do you people know him personally to say conclusively that he is an asshole? He may well be but I do not know for sure so I will not state as fact he is. Randy Moss was supposed to be such a dick and ruin New England but look how that turned out for the Pats last season. Corey Dillon, Owens (he’s been fine in Dallas), and the list goes on and on. You people need to quit thinking it is black and white when it comes to players and grasp that if good players are on a crap team they will be upset and vocal and their tune changes when they get on a winner.

It’s funny, Peyton himself has mentioned Marvin bitching to him in the past about getting the ball more but apparently that is OK because he is a Colt but if a player says stuff to the press then he is a shit teammate or player. Dwight freeney pretty much said he only cared about being paid as much as possible but SOMEHOW the Colts diehards drop to their knees for him yet another team’s player doing the same thing is seen as greedy.

The lack of logic at this site is baffling at times.

by loregnum on Nov 5, 2008 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Marlin Jackson sucks as do the rest of the Colts corners.

lmao

Are some of the colts diehards here blind? The corners SUCK. They have to leave 45 yard cushions because they can’t cover. Only the most diehard of Colts fans could try and act like the CBs on this team are decent when they are giving up pass play after pass play.

You say hall gets beat constantly…umm, do you know what happens whenever Indy’s corners attempt to play man coverage? They GET KILLED. There is a REASON why they play with the 2 safeties deep so much and it isn’t because they have faith the CBs can cover well. I would even go as far to say indy may have the worst set of CBs in the NFL.

I’m not blind, you’re just stupid, apparently. Maybe you forgot, but the Colts play a zone like 99.999999999% of the time on defense. Therefore negating the reason to play man-to-man. Basically what I’m trying to say is, they don’t practice at being a cover corner, so you argument is moot. Hayden and Jackson are easily two of the best corners in the league, you’re just grasping at straws so you can look cool and be the antagonist to BBS.

Some people need to grasp that just because someone may not like a guy does not mean he isn’t good at what he does. Deion may have come off as an ass in his prime but the guy was flat out the best corner of the 90s and of this generation and you can poll the entire NFL world and it’d almost be universal praise for the guy but hey, I guess you know more about the sport than the coaches, players, and everyone else involved in the NFL. You are the key son. Oh and who gives a shit if he didn’t like to tackle? People rarely threw to him because he did this thing called…COVERING THE RECEIVER. Oh wow, marlin Jackson might be a good tackler…big deal since he can’t defend the pass worth shit. Champ Bailey isn’t the greatest of tacklers and tries to avoid it as much as possible…I guess he is a shit corner too, right?

I’m pretty sure that if Jackson reverted to being a cover corner again, he’d be pretty good. Add on the fact that he is indeed an excellent tackler and you’ve got the makings of a cornerbacking stud.

BBS should not be allowed to talk about football since on a daily basis he shows his idiocy. Lets go through some BBS gems:

-the colts will destroy the titans. yep, that worked out

-the colts are the best team in the nfl. yep, sure showing it

-injuries are still the reason why Indy has been mediocre this year even though they played their worst ball when they had the least amount of injuries AND they went 13-3 last season with as many or more injuries with pretty much the same roster.

-the Packers are idiots for not sucking favre’s dick when he decided to come back. Yep, favre is amazing with his league leading 12 INTs and if it wasn’t for the 6 td game vs the Cards Favre would be on pace to having his worst season. Meanwhile Rodgers, in his FIRST real season, is playing great.

-says Albert haynesworth isn’t that good and is lazy. Uh huh….

You’re going to have to bring up some proof that he said all that stuff because:

1. I don’t recall him ever claiming that the Colts will destroy the Titans.

2. The Colts could be the best team in the league if they got their shit together. Anyone with a brain knows this. Whether they are or aren’t at this precise moment is irrelevant.

3. You’re just stupid if you don’t think all of the injuries were a factor.

4. The same exact Packers team went 13-3 last year. They get rid of one guy, ONE guy, and they are already 4-4. You pretty much contradicted yourself without even realizing it. Besides, slamming Favre for his stats when he left a team that was literally formed around him, to another having to learn every little nuance of a completely new offense just like a rookie is just ridiculous.

5. I don’t think I’ve ever seen BBS say Hanesworth sucks. Calling him lazy, and a piece of shit however, I’ll buy.

I could go on and on with examples of the lack of actual logic concerning the sport of pro football OR the guy flipping his opinion but there is no point because anyone who knows he is a biased douche doesn’t need extra confirmation and those who think the guy is informative will just refuse to put value in anything I say. The sad thing is he can actually be informative and logical at times but then he will go and post this type of ridiculous crap.

Listen bro, I don’t agree with more than half of what BBS says, but you don’t see me coming here and having a fucking meltdown every day because of it. That’s how he is, so either put up with it or hit the bricks ftlog. I’m tired of people like you just coming in here everyday bitching and moaning about his articles, when you fucking know that’s exactly how he is. Shaddaapppp already.

If hall would sign for cheap then he’d be good to get (IMO he is a pretty good corner but I would not want to invest a lot in him) but obviously he won’t so there is no point in talking about it. Oh and wtf cares how he may have been? Do you people know him personally to say conclusively that he is an asshole? He may well be but I do not know for sure so I will not state as fact he is. Randy Moss was supposed to be such a dick and ruin New England but look how that turned out for the Pats last season. Corey Dillon, Owens (he’s been fine in Dallas), and the list goes on and on. You people need to quit thinking it is black and white when it comes to players and grasp that if good players are on a crap team they will be upset and vocal and their tune changes when they get on a winner.

I’m not opposed to people having differing opinions, but thinking for just once instance that bringing Hall in is a good idea is ludicrous. Did you not see the shit he pulled on Bobby Patrino last year? Well did you? Oh and I distinctly remember seeing him chew out Lane Kiffin in week one against the Broncos too, for shit that was his own damn fault. You are seriously just grasping at straws dude.

I’m not even going to comment on the rest of your post because I don’t know what you are even talking about.

The King of anti-fail.

by KingRichard on Nov 5, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hall is bad

teams intentionally throw at him, because they will beat him. The Falcons-Raiders game was a perfect example. Whichever WR Hall was covering was the one getting the ball. He got torched deep for a TD by Micheal Jenkins in the first quarter. They had to switch Asomugha over onto Jenkins because Hall couldn’t handle him. The other WR Roddy White then caught all 5 of his passes for the game with Hall in coverage on him. That’s a line of 6 for 91 and a TD by the WR covered by Hall. And that’s with a rookie QB throwing the ball.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
140 yards per game
6.3 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Nov 5, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I read your comment

and you’re making it pretty clear you’re a dumbshit. Every time I see Hayden play, it seems he’s making an interception. And regarding Hall, he is an awful player. He hasn’t done squat in a couple of years. He wouldn’t even be able to make the Colts roster. And your statement about Indy having the worst corners in the league…..what a stupid comment. They may not be playing well this year, but they’re far from the worst in the league. And, I’ve probably been harder on the team and coaches than most. But, let’s be real here.

by Ayrshire on Nov 5, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You can barely even compare

The Raiders and the Colts run completely different schemes. You can hardly even compare Cover-2 corners to straight up man to man corners. Its almost a different position. Jackson and Hayden are very good Cover-2 cornerbacks. Big and good tacklers.

Hall would be a terrible fit here. Can’t tackle, can’t jam receivers effectively. We have no use for him. Not to mention the part where he’s not even a good man to man corner. He’s straight line fast and that’s pretty much it.

Owens (he’s been fine in Dallas)

This is laughable and flat out wrong. Every game you see him screaming at someone on the sidelines.

by Jay Cutler's Barber on Nov 5, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

One question...

Why are you here? Seems to me that if you think everything BBS posts is “idiotic” you’d cease darkening the doorstep of this site. Just sayin’.

by session55 on Nov 6, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Hall might be a good player again in the right scheme, but that right scheme isn’t here.

by eltharion_doa on Nov 6, 2008 3:43 AM EST reply actions  

HAHA

Sir King Richard … i did not even read your reply because i don’t have 3 hours to spare … err ok maybe i do … but without even reading i concur completely !! and therefore will say nothing more but great reply !! I can tell you disputed everyone of Loregnum’s crazy claims accurately….

Which leads me too … Who is this guy ?? Is he a Colts fan ?? Does he hate the Colts and loathe all of the teams fans ?? Did he get cut by the Colts in the 1980’s when they were terrible and still holds a grudge ?? Is he a bitter old man from Baltimore ?? Does he actually perhaps really live in his Mom’s basement ??

I started reading his post and then stopped about four sentences in … he clearly has no idea what in the world he is talking about … any fan of the Colts know they play a Cover-2 and this guy has no clue

What a joke !!

"Ryno for President 08"

by ClarkFan44 on Nov 6, 2008 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

And For the Record ...

Let me cast my vote … Hall would be a terrible fit for the Colts !!

"Ryno for President 08"

by ClarkFan44 on Nov 6, 2008 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

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