A guy, who in 11 seasons only has had 3! with 12 or more starts should never even be considered to the Hall Of Fame.
A guy who has had 97 starts in his career, and by the way has had 89 fumbles!, should not be considered hall of fame.

A guy who from 2002 to 2007 had an average rating of 81.95, should NOT be considered to be hall of fame.

He just hasn’t done enough, in my oppinion

You start the article so well, preaching right to the choir (me), but then it devolves into statements that make me wonder how I can possibly agree with you on anything when you’re so wrong about other things.

Favre, Eli, and Collins are not MVP candidates. They’re not even in the discussion. They are three excellent examples of QBs overshadowing the accomplishments of their excellent teams.

This is not to say that any are not playing well – Favre and Eli especially have exceeded expectations and Collins is having his best season in a decade – but they aren’t the reason their teams are winning.

Yes, Vince Young sucks and we shared the same groan when he got hurt and the Titans upgraded, but they still posted a 10-6 record and made the playoffs in spite of him last year. What does that tell you? That even with terrible quarterbacking, the rest of the team is good enough to make the playoffs. This year, they upgraded the O Line (Scott), the DLine (sort of, with Kearse – not a big deal, really, but depth makes the guys in the rotation fresher, plus keeping Fatty playing for a contract was wise), and the RB (Johnson). Their secondary has improved with a year of seasoning. So it’s no surprise that a ten win team improved. Collins’ only job is not to screw up. He is the poster boy for that stupid term “game manager.” He just has a better arm and more talent than guys like Frerotte and Johnson and the other schmucks who have won with good teams, so he’s better at it than they are. But he hasn’t won a single game for that team. He’s not bad, but he’s not even close to irreplaceable. Titans MVP: The D Line

Eli Manning appears to have made the leap, and with each week he makes my arguments against him look worse and worse, but much like Collins, when you play behind a line that good, with a running game that good, on a team as well rounded as the Giants, it’s hard not to look good. Eli can do more than Collins, but again, anyone could succeed on that team. Gus Frerotte would be leading the NFC with that team. Giants MVP: O Line.

Favre is an interesting case. I picked against the Jets this year after they picked him up because I thought he’d make plenty of mistakes and that the other acquisitions were overrated. I was wrong about both. Favre has been uncommonly accurate and disciplined for over a month. I’ll even give you the stupid argument that he makes everyone around him better by giving them confidence (vs Pennington) (I feel dirty saying that though). Maybe that makes them a game better than they’d be with Chad. But really, what has Favre done? Much like last year, if you watch the games you’ll notice that the reason he’s not screwing up as much is because the opportunity isn’t there. He has, in many ways, been neutered. The Jets run the same short passes and screens and slants dozens of times a game. Credit Favre for having the patience and accuracy to complete them and work well in that style, but it’s basically the west coast style. Force him to throw downfield like yesterday and what happens? You get a 50% completion rate, an 0 for 5 on 20+ yard attempts, and bad interceptions (he was lucky several were dropped). The Jets have succeeded on offense because of good coaching (play design), good blocking, a good running game, and yes, good quarterbacking. But the biggest single reason the Jets have been successful this year (aside from the cakewalk schedule) is Kris Jenkins. That man has been even more dominant this year than Haynesworth was last year. He has made the rest of the D better and dominates the line of scrimmage. You can’t credibly call Brett Favre the MVP when there’s a bigger difference maker on his own team.

According to Aaron Schatz (who cites someone at the Boston Globe), it’s legal to vote for an entire unit rather than a single player for the MVP. In that case, you have to take the Giants O Line. Have to. They’re incredible this year. They’re the obviously biggest reason a team people picked to defend their title by finishing 4th is the clear best team in the NFL.

Realistically, there’s a better chance of me getting hit by lightning three days in a row. Take that away, and yes, Peyton is the most important. It’s funny, because his individual statistics are down across the board. But even though he’s doing less, he is more important to the team than he has ever been. He is that “it factor” DZ mentions. No, he didn’t carry them to victory in the Browns game, but without him they don’t win 3 or 4 of the other games. They don’t get close enough to win the Jaguar game either. Even when he’s off his game, he’s irreplaceable. There’s one other player in the league that could have this team at 8-4 in his place, and he’s on IR. Put in the other MVP candidates that you mention and they’re 5-7, 6-6 at best. With the exception of the special teams, 93, 98, and 33, the Colts as individuals have underperformed (vs our admittedly high expectations – I agree with your assessment of this team’s overall talent level). Even 18 has. But he has put the team on his back and carried them to victories that not even the 2nd best QB in the league could have gotten. It’s incredible, and it’s really weird to watch. So I agree with you… but I don’t.

The Cowboys beat up the Sea Chickens. They don’t play the Lions.

They, like the Colts, can be a scary team in January, though. (If they get there.) I wouldn’t be so hard on them. There’s a good chance they’ll end up like the 05 Chargers, dangerous but on the outside looking in, but if they get in, that’s an unfriendly matchup for either Manning brother.

Manning throws 3 picks against one of the worst teams in the league and you are still riding him as MVP….his QB rating stinks…if anything his brother is the better QB this year

Bottom line…the cards haven’t won the division in 30 something years…warners numbers regardless of who he is playing against are very strong despite having zero for a running game (meaning everybody knows he’s going to throw and he still is racking up monster yardage, completion percentage, td’s, passer rating, etc)….only 1 out of his 3 picks against the eagles resulted in 7 points…the cards where down by 21 at a blink of an eye…his recvers fianally had a bad day of dropsies which hurt him. his defense, special teams and running game are stinking up the joint..(note the cards passing d has given up the most TD’s in the league and their running game is dead last…..

warner is the best qb in the league in right now and his numbers show it, but as ususal most people as yourself don’t give the guy any credit because he wasn’t a first round draft pick

Oh good, the smart people have arrived.

King is a boob but he did say that the ranking was mostly because the other guys played their way out of it.

Warner is good and the Cards are a great story but they’re only winning their division because the other teams are horrible. Against good teams Warner hasn’t been bad, but he hasn’t carried them either. I haven’t seen his draft status come into the discussion anywhere – that’s an interesting take, japrams.

Beans, did you even watch the game? Manning played fine. He forced one to Wayne that was picked because it was underthrown (possibly into the wind), had a pick on a hail mary at the end of the first half (who cares), and had a ball dropped in the end zone. There wasn’t really any vertical passing game but he did throw some darts and moved the offense on three long drives fairly easily that just didn’t get into the end zone. It was just one of those games. He didn’t win the game, but he hardly played like garbge. 15-21 in the wind is about all you can ask for.

Manning, despite a down year, means more to his team than ever before. He’s the glue holding an otherwise average and injury-prone team together, single-handedly winning games. I don’t expect him to get the votes to win an MVP, but he and Jenkins are the two individuals with the most impact on the games so far this year.

You guys just keep looking at the ESPN statistics instead of watching the games. Eli is a lot better but you’re on crack if you think he’s having a better or more valuable season. He still throws 4 or 5 awful throws per game. His INT rate is pretty lucky too, as he has had an uncommon number of dropped picks this year (most against the Skins in both games). I guess it balances out the million drops his own guys had the past 2 years though.

Stephen Baker Touchdown Maker (You f’ing rule!), I suppose it’s possible that Gus would’ve played poorly enough in a game or two to possibly cost them the game, but there definitely hasn’t been a game where Eli had to shoulder the load. I guess I’m not saying he can’t – he certainly grew up a lot in the super bowl – just that he hasn’t had to, and that he’s not the best or most valuable on his own team.

I agree that Peyton Manning should most likely win MVP

But as a Vikings fan, Im shocked no one has even mentioned Adrian Peterson

He literally faces 8 or 9 men in the box almost every play and has very average (at best) quarterback play

He averages 113 yds/game (1st in NFL)
4.9 yds/carry (T-3rd in NFL)

He is on pace for 1800 yards and leading the Vikes to the NFC North title

Without Adrian, I can see the Vikings winning 6 games this year… maybe less

In games that go into the 4th quarter and less than a touchdown, Adrian averages 5.5 yds/carry

He literally has carried the Minnesota Vikings on his back this year