I guess I just don't understand.

by Scooty4422 on Dec 12, 2008 10:28 AM EST Comment 14 comments

Maybe I'm just a homer, but I really don't understand all of the Titans side of this argument. I'll give you some credit you're 11-1, and have a very good defense. You also in my opinion have the offensive rookie of the year in Chris Johnson.

Where I get lost for 1. Is this illusion that having the best record in the regular season guarantees you anything. Because I think in past seasons, especially lately, it's shown that it doesn't. We can simply go back to last year, and see that illustration, yet for some reason so many Titan fans seem to not have been present for the N.E. Patriots not so perfect season.

2. This idea the Colts are done??? I'm pretty sure the Colts yet again are in great shape to win 12 games, for the 6th straight time. I also would like to point out that this is the first year, that our chance at a successful season has been questioned in those 6 years, it's also the first season we've faced the injuries we have this year. I'm a firm believer you can only take the past to make decisions on what you should expect from the future. In that case, I believe our resume is a lot more solid than the Titans. I mean I would think that 6 years of success means more than 2, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that I would rather count the Colts done when they're at full strength and not producing, not when they're hurt, and still winning 12 games, I don't care who the wins came against. Especially when the people calling our schedule easy, root for a team with the same schedule except for two lousy games.

3. When did it become general knowledge that a team that has one good year is guaranteed future success. Especially when you're huge impact defensive player, only decided to be a worthwhile piece to your attack when he was up for a new contract. Seems he's out to get paid, which means no home town discount, and no desire to play to the level he is currently, once he's got his money. With that you also get into Kearse not being half the player he was, when he played for the Titans before. Bulluck your leading tackler is only a year younger than Manning, so if you want to say Manning is over the hill, why don't you look at the fact that Bulluck is showing signs of aging in his stats, far greater than Manning. Just last year he posted his worse year since 2001, his tackle numbers dropped like 50 tackles. He's only on pace to make like 20 more this year than last, still way off pace of his prime days. Vanden Bosch is showing signs of being injury prone in only his 8th NFL season. As well you have to seriously doubt his effectiveness in the event you lose Haynesworth. You take this D-line away from this team, and you have a dramatically different defense. One that doesn't control the line a scrimmage, and doesn't hold teams to 92 yards of rushing a game. A defense that no longer can pressure the QB, allowing you're corners to be as dominate as they are. Just like the Chargers who thought they had things guaranteed, and then their pass rush fell apart, suddenly they're corners that were rated so high, just like yours were exposed. Amazing how important basically one guy is to your team. Also interesting how, even if you bring him back you're not guaranteed the same success, because he's a worthless human being.
As far as you're offense goes the only thing I can point out is you have one thing to be excited about and that's Chris Johnson. At the same point it would be a fear of mine as well, since he's not a QB, I don't believe it's good to have 1 player account for 31.5% of your total offensive production. What if this is just a fluke season, like so many in the past have had, or what happens if you lose him to injury. What happens is your future is instantly turned upside down because of one player. And due to your success, your chances of building pieces around him are lowered, and due to you paying people outrageous sums of money to sit on the bench, it hampers your ability to build through free agency.
Seriously though keep blindly over exaggerating your teams current accomplishments, and chances at future ones, just do us a favor and have some of these thoughts in mind.

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no offence dude

but do we really need another one of these posts, I’m kind of sick of reading these head banging sessions we’re having with titans fans both here and at MCM. They were fun at first but they are starting to become tired. We already know how this is going to end.

by scottishcoltsfan on Dec 12, 2008 10:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Little late

I realize I’m a little late, as far as timing, just been reading and listening, and wanted to give my opinion.

by Scooty4422 on Dec 12, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm....

Maybe I’m missing something from the above post, but doesn’t EVERY team in the NFL have these same problems/concerns?

As far as you’re offense goes the only thing I can point out is you have one thing to be excited about and that’s Chris Johnson. At the same point it would be a fear of mine as well, since he’s not a QB, I don’t believe it’s good to have 1 player account for 31.5% of your total offensive production. What if this is just a fluke season, like so many in the past have had, or what happens if you lose him to injury.

It’s a down year, but imagine the Chargers without LT. Eagles without Bryan Westbrook. Shifting gears…Colts without Peyton Manning. Etc. Etc. Etc.

You take this D-line away from this team, and you have a dramatically different defense. One that doesn’t control the line a scrimmage, and doesn’t hold teams to 92 yards of rushing a game. A defense that no longer can pressure the QB, allowing you’re corners to be as dominate as they are.

I don’t disagree with this. In fact, I think the D-line and O-line are paramount to longterm success. With that said, the Titans found a way to win games in the absence of a good defense in 2006 when they narrowly missed the playoffs. I think it’s important to make that distinction and also give some credit to Jeff Fisher. He’s grinding it out with the run game and relying on his defense, because that’s what works. Aside from one loss, the Titans have done every that is asked of them. If the personnel dictated a different strategy, I’m confident that Fisher would adapt and find other ways to win.

Seriously though keep blindly over exaggerating your teams current accomplishments, and chances at future ones, just do us a favor and have some of these thoughts in mind.

I can’t speak to previous “exaggerations” by other Titans fans. But, the team is 12-1. They may have done it against a soft schedule, but they can only play the teams put in front of them. In that regard, they’ve done their job. I’d hope that any fan would be excited about a successful regular season like the one this team has had.

by SuperHorn on Dec 12, 2008 12:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Here is my points

1. No I don’t believe all teams have these same issues. I believe all teams have issues, no matter how successful they are in any season. This post was primarily a argument that the Colts are done dominating this division, because the Titans have such a bright future.

2. L.T., Westbrook, and Manning are all proven veterans. Guys that have done this for many years, and have more than made there statement of accomplishments. This is just the beginning of Chris Johnson, and they’re already depending that much on him, as a rookie. What are they going to need from him in the future???

3. If you read, my primary thing about their D-line is the fact that it’s success is so affected my Haynesworth. A guy that played like shit for most of his career, till this year when his contract has come up. You take that kind of talent away, and I believe the rest of the pieces on that line fall apart. I don’t believe you can get around losing him, when he decides to play in a contract year it screams to me money hungry. It’s not as if he was good and got better, he was a fat waste of space, and became dominate. As well if he does not leave, he gets a long term deal with the Titans, he becomes again satisfied, and lazy as he was prior to this season. Sorry if I failed to make that connection.

I have no problem with how Fisher has handled the situation, and applaud him for it, I believe less talented coaches would not be so successful with the same team.

4. Being excited about a successful regular season, doesn’t even come close to representing how ridiculous the Titans fans have been at times this year. Excited yes, hopeful why not, making statements like we’re SB bound….Shut up! And many many have taken it just that far. And I just find myself at a loss after last season, you can have a team think that a regular seasons performance = the same post season performance. A team in there position that hasn’t even been in the conversation of real playoff contention in 4 or 5 years, should be much more gracious about there recent success, and be aware that to this point, there accomplishments are very minimal, in the broad scope of things.

by Scooty4422 on Dec 12, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Who's been saying we're SB bound?

Once we get in the playoffs it’s a whole new ballgame. We all know that.

At this point, we’re just happy to have had a better season than the Colts… happy to have reclaimed the division after a painfully long hiatus, and happy to put ourselves in the best position possible to win some playoff games.

Plus, we obviously think we’re better than the Colts. And even though the wins and losses prove that this year, we all know that the teams will settle it on the field once, possibly twice more this year.

As for next season, I don’t think we are all that dependent on Haynesworth – and with our D-line coach developing the young guys, we’ll be in fine shape. Cortland Finnegan and Michael Griffin are not going to stop being hard-hitting ballhawks just because we lose a DT. In fact, they will probably improve. David Thornton will continue to produce and Stephen Tulloch will keep getting better. Chris Hope is also one of the better safeties in the league. Nick Harper; no worries there either.

But to address your points item by item, I would say this:

This post was primarily a argument that the Colts are done dominating this division, because the Titans have such a bright future.

I agree, the Colts are done dominating the Division. And the Titans do have a bright future.

This is just the beginning of Chris Johnson, and they’re already depending that much on him, as a rookie. What are they going to need from him in the future???

He gets 20 carries a game, isn’t asked to return kicks, and gets thrown few passes. In a two-back system, RBs rarely get burned out. I would suggest that you’re simply overestimating his workload, and I think he could handle substantially more, if asked to.

If you read, my primary thing about their D-line is the fact that it’s success is so affected my Haynesworth. A guy that played like shit for most of his career, till this year when his contract has come up.

Except last year, when he had a great season and made the probowl. You may rightly point out that was also a contract year, but the argument is too simple. Haynesworth is a competitor, and he is maturing. Whether or not the Titans feel they can afford him is a different story. I will concede that the risk is real, but after two outstanding seasons, playing for a winning team, you have to entertain the notion that he may not start to play like complete shit as soon as he gets paid.

A team in there position that hasn’t even been in the conversation of real playoff contention in 4 or 5 years, should be much more gracious about there recent success, and be aware that to this point, there accomplishments are very minimal, in the broad scope of things.

At this point we can only look forward, enjoy winning the division and enjoy the best record in football. And yes, it’s not like we discovered a cure for cancer, but we’re entitled to relish the moment. I don’t recall anyone guaranteeing a Lombardi trophy (you’re welcome to prove me wrong here if you have some evidence). And I would also point out that 5 division championships in a row but only 1 SuperBowl appearance is not such a great accomplishment either, in the ‘broad scope’ of things.

I suspect the pissing contest over here will continue until our teams meet again. Good luck in Week #17, I just hope both coaches field their best personnel.

by BeansCarter on Dec 13, 2008 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You fail

Here Titans fans going again, making there accomplishments bigger than they are. A division title is not a big deal. I mean there are 8 division championships a year. 1/4 of the league become division champions every year. Only 1 becomes SB champion.

by Scooty4422 on Dec 14, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

31%

I already posted something similar, but I am not sure anyone read it…

So I keep reading that Chris Johnson accounts for 31% of the Titans offense which, according to everyone, is bad. I agree it sounds bad, but as a person who like to decide things for myself I decided to look at the past Super Bowl champs offensive breakdown to try to figure it out. Sure enough, no one has had a non-QB account for 31% of the offense since the 2000 Ravens.
However in the 90s, it happened 6 times. Emmit Smith did it 3 times, Terrell Davis 2 times, and Marshall Faulk once. To me tthe change looks like a product of teams using more two back systems. However, I think that looking at the stats confirms the opinion that having one player be 31% of the offense probably isnt good.
While looking at these stats I noticed something which may be of concern for Colts fans. No Super Bowl champion team since the 1987 Redskins with Gary Clark has had a WR leading in yards as the Colts currently do with Reggie Wayne. Obviously, that is somewhat skewed with Addai being hurt, but it still is interesting.
Also if you want to see some crappy offensive stats for a super bowl champ look at the 1990 Giants…awful.

by DonFrancisco on Dec 13, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I guess I just don't understand.

And I would also point out that 5 division championships in a row but only 1 SuperBowl appearance is not such a great accomplishment either, in the ‘broad scope’ of things.

Uh, yeah, it is.

If the Titans ever do either, then you will be entitled to make that claim.

Also, isn’t “the Titans reclaimed the division” a bit over the top, as you only one it once before, IIRC.

by HoosierHorseman on Dec 14, 2008 7:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, ok

If the Titans ever do either, then you will be entitled to make that claim.

Which, 5 Division Wins in a row? Or the Superbowl appearance? Because, we have the Superbowl appearance. And let’s face it, if we had faced Rex Grossman’s Bears instead of the ‘Greatest Show on Turf’, we’d have as many rings as well.

by BeansCarter on Dec 14, 2008 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

in your words

We just beat who we play. We can’t help that

Let's go Colts!

by AJforAZ on Dec 14, 2008 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As you point out, you are the one who used the term “appearance”, instead of “win”.

Everyone here knows the Colts have a Super Bowl WIN, not just an appearance.

I’ll put it another way;

Winning a World Championship and 5 division championships in five years IS a great accomplishment in anyone’s book, except a homie in denial.

By contrast, this is only your third division championship in fifteen years, one in the AFC Central, and the Titans didn’t put two back-to-back in that time.
BTW, the Colts finished second to the Titans in those two AFC South championships (‘02, ’08). The Colts have 6 division championships in fifteen years, one in the AFC East.
More contrast; the Colts have made the playoffs in eleven of the last fifteen years, you’ve made it five times.
And if the Colts set an NFL record by winning 12 or more games in six consecutive seasons this year that will be something else your team has never done, though you did have two in a row, in ‘99 and ’00.
In the last ten years, the Colts have 6, and may reach seven, seasons with 12 or more wins. And they have 9 10 or more win seasons in ten years.
The Titans have 4 seasons with12 or more wins in the last ten years, and 6 10 or more win seasons. Very impressive, but again, nothing the Colts didn’t do first.

Yes, I’m a newbie, and you’ve probably heard all this before, but calling the Colts days over and the Titans the next dynasty is way premature. I’ll wait to see how the Colts do in the rematch and the playoffs. And yes, it’s entirely possible there will be a third Titans-Colts game.

by HoosierHorseman on Dec 14, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Rex Grossman

Oh, and, BTW, since you went 8-8 and missed the playoffs for the third year in a row in 2006, everyone here certainly does NOT know that you would have beaten the Bears, who, after all, WERE NFC champions. Silly!

by HoosierHorseman on Dec 14, 2008 11:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs