Stampede Blue predicts the Pro Bowl
by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 11:43 AM EST
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NFC QBs: Kurt Warner (Cardinals), Drew Brees (Saints), Matt Ryan (Falcons)
AFC RBs: Thomas Jones (Jets), Chris Johnson (Titans), Steve Slaton (Texans)
NFC RBs: Clinton Portis (Redskins), Brandon Jacobs (Giants), and DeAngelo Williams (Panthers)
AFC FB: La'Ron McClain (Ravens)
NFC FB: Madison Hedgecock (Giants)
AFC WRs: Reggie Wayne (Colts), Andre Johnson (Texans), Lee Evans (Bills), Vincent Jackson (Chargers)
NFC WRs: Roddy White (Falcons), Larry Fitzgerald (Cardinals), Greg Jennings (Packers), Anquan Boldin (Cardinals)
AFC TEs: Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs), Owen Daniels (Texans)
NFC TEs: Jason Witten (Cowboys), Chris Cooley (Redskins)
AFC O-line: Jake Long (Dolphins), Micheal Roos (Titans), Ryan Clady (Broncos), Jack Scott (Titans), Ben Hamilton (Broncos), Logan Mankings (Patriots), Kevin Mawae (Titans), Jeff Saturday (Colts)
NFC O-line: David Diehl (Giants), Kareem McKenzie(Giants), Jordan Gross (Panthers), Rich Seubert (Giants), Chris Snee (Giants), Jamar Nesbit (Saints), Shaun O'Hara (Giants), Jeff Faine (Buccaneers)
AFC D-line: Dwight Freeney (Colts), Robert Mathis (Colts), Mario Williams (Texans), Albert Haynesworth (Titans), Kris Jenkins (Jets), Shaun Rodgers (Browns)
NFC D-line: Justin Tuck (Giants), Jon Abraham (Falcons), Jared Allen (Vikings), Kevin Williams (Vikings), Jay Ratliff (Cowboys), Fred Robbins (Giants)
AFC LBers: James Harrison (Steelers), Joey Porter (Dolphins), Terrell Suggs (Ravens), Gary Brackett (Colts), Ray Lewis (Ravens)
NFC LBers: DeMarcus Ware (Cowboys), Julian Peterson (Seahawks), Lance Briggs (Bears), Patrick Willis (49ers), Jon Beason (Panthers)
AFC CBs: Nnamdi Asomugha (Raiders), Cortland Finnigan (Titans), Chris McAllister (Ravens)
NFC CBs: Chris Gamble (Panthers), Charles Woodson (Packers), Asante Samuel (Eagles)
AFC Safeties: Troy Polamalu (Steelers), Ed Reed (Ravens)
NFC Safeties: Tanard Jackson (Buccaneers), Chris Harris (Panthers)
AFC Kicker and Punter: Rob Bironas (Titans), Sam Koch (Ravens)
NFC Kicker and Punter: Jason Hanson (Lions), Brad Maynard (Bears)
AFC Returner: Josh Cribbs (Browns)
NFC Returner: Allen Rossum (49ers)
AFC Special Teamer: Darrell Reid (Colts)
NFC Special Teamer: Jason Snelling (Falcons)
Some notes:
- The Colts should have seven Pro Bowlers
- The AFC South should have 18 Pro Bowlers, which would pretty much re-establish what we already know: The AFC South is the best division in the AFC.
- These predictions are a result of using FO's DVOA.
- No, Adrian Peterson is not a Pro Bowler. Adrian Peterson has seven fumbles. Seven. No real Pro Bowl caliber RB commits seven friggin fumbles. That's like nominating a safety who can't cover.
- Special thanks to shake n bake for making these predictions! You can read his Pro Bowl selection predictions, and his reasoning, here.
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any qb who leads their respective conference in passing
and doesn’t get selected to the pro bowl is a travesty.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 16, 2008 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Romo isn't going to the Pro Bowl, Terry
no one gives a crap about conference passing yards.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know who he's talking about
Brees and Cutler lead the conferences in passing yards
is he talking about QB Rating? Romo leads in that, but it’s a rate stat not counting. Romo isn’t making the Pro Bowl over 3 guys who played all season and played very well.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
qb rating is the only stat that counts regarding qbs
and Romo only missed 3 games, you act as if he missed half the season.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 16, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so Shaun Hill is a top 8 QB in the league?
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brees, Warner, Ryan, McNabb, Rodgers and Eli all top Romo in DYAR
Brees, Warner, Ryan and Eli in DVOA.
DVOA/DYAR >>>> QB Rating for the opponent adjustments alone.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking about passing yards
I’m talking about leading the league in passing effeicency, both Romo and Phillips are the conference leaders.
Its like a baseball player leading the majors in batting average and not making the all star team.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 16, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No adrian Peterson!?!?!
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Brandon Jacobs is overrated, no way he belongs.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Dec 16, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did the RBs before Jacobs missed a game while Peterson went for 165
but Peterson is very boom or bust and has 7 fumbles
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Shake and BBS
But I think you guys were on something when this list was conducted (at least during the running back portion on the NFC)…
Top two RBs in rushing yards were left out in Peterson and Turner. Turner has 15 tds and has carried the Falcons to where they are now (plus makes Matt Ryan looks good)…Peterson is Purple Jesus so he has to make the Pro Bowl…leads the league in rushing yards and averages 4.9 per carries…again like Turner…has made the Vikings to where they are now.
Also…Portis has quit on the Redskins…just look at his last 3 games
(Note: I do not mind the Williams pick…he has been playing like the best RB in his draft by far)
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Dec 16, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peterson
No running back with 7 fumbles is an All-Pro or a Pro Bowler. I don’t care how many yards or TDs he has. Fumbles kill seasons, and 7 friggin fumbles is Cleveland Gary-like bad.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with the fumbles BUT...
Where would the Vikings be without AP?…simple question
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Dec 16, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he has killed their season..Also...
Michael Turner
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Dec 16, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They'd have the same record
Chester Taylor doesn’t suck, and fumbles less.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying its suprising to leave one of the best players in the league out of the Pro Bowl…also Michael Turner or was that one on shake?..just curious on the decision really..
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Dec 16, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Turner isn't all that effective
he’s just leading the league in carries, but has 4.3YPC and isn’t very consistent (17th in success rate). The Falcons would be better off giving him the ball less and putting it in Norwood and Matt Ryan’s hands more often.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree Shake
When has a 4.3 YPC become not good…Look at Edgerrin James’s stats each year over his career (especially his YPC)…they are very similiar and I held James towards the top of his position during the majority of his career. Turner has has helped improved the Falcons and deserves to go to Hawii
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Dec 16, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not bad at all but when the other guys in the argument are over 5
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor has had 1 less Fumble Lost
Peterson has fumbled 6 times this season, losing 3 of them. Two of those were against the Lions, the first time around, and they won the game. The other was against Tennessee, which led to a TD by the Titans. They lost by 13. Peterson against the Titans: 18 carries, 80 yds, 2 TDs. He played pretty well, other than the fumble.
Taylor has fumbled twice this season, losing both of them. The second one, inside the final 2 minutes to Tampa Bay, down by 6 points. TB kneeled down twice immediately following. Taylor (possibly, as there is no way of knowing if they would have scored a TD) cost the Vikings 1 game, just from a fumble.
Peterson has no such game this season. Sure Taylor doesn’t suck, but Peterson is the best back in the league.
by mgrex03 on Dec 16, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
how does Ed Reed (37 tackles, 5INTs) go over Michael Griffin (71 tackles, 5 INTs)?
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 12:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well
Because Ed Reed is better than Michael Griffin. If you honestly think Griffin is better, you need your head examined. Seriously, no offense, but your suggestion is utterly laughable.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I believe Ed Reed has scored 2 TDs this year, with one being the longest TD return in NFL history.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ghad damn you're an ass-bag BBS
it was an honest question, no need to go full-douche in response. I didn’t just shit on your guys when they questioned my choices.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, seriously
I’m as homer as the next guy, but you don’t see me throwing in Antoine Bethea (a Pro Bowler last year, and a better player than Michael Griffin) over Ed Reed. I mean, if you came in and thought that David Thornton should be in over Gary Brackett, that makes more sense. But to stiff Ed Reed in favor of Michael Griffin? Come on! What type of reaction did you expect?
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
say Griffen over Reed on the Ravens site you might get a visit for a certain stabby MLB
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He then might
Do a little dance and do a lot of shouting, expending all kinds of energy before he takes the field… and loses again to the Colts.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A civil one?
Titans Blogger at Music City Miracles even though gramsey hates it.
by Jimmy on Dec 16, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy to be civil
As long as the opinions are informed. Suggesting Griffin over Ed Reed is fine if this is a Titans blog. It isn’t. You will get laughed out of any social setting (online or in person) making such a suggestion. Why not have Collins over Manning? That makes about as much sense.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a one year selection and productivity is usually a good criteria
I’m not saying that Griffin’s career is better than Reeds by any stretch, but you can’t act like Griffin isn’t a top flight safety who deserves serious consideration: he’s a clear leader on a pass defense that’s top 3 in the league and a big part of the run defense as well.
How is that laughably uniformed?
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the love of God
August, stop it. We are not talking career numbers. Ed Reed is better than Michael Griffin this year. Antoine Bethea is better than Michael Griffin this year. You are looking at one stat (tackles) and using that to make a moronic decision that pretty much everyone and their mother is going to laugh at. Hell, if tackles were the stat we should judge them by, Antoine Bethea CRUSHES Griffin. But, because tackles are not the stat one should focus on to evaluate a free safety, you don’t see people like me and other Colts fans lobbying for Antoine Bethea over Ed Reed. And since Bethea isn’t better than Reed, why would Griffin get consideration. He isn’t better than Bethea.
The only people who are suggesting that Michael Griffin is a Pro Bowl at Titans fans. That should tell you something.
Again, Ed Reed (37 TDs,5 INTs, 12 passes defended, 2 TDs) and Antoine Bethea (91 tackles, 2 INTs, 4 passes defended) are better than Michael Griffin (71 tackles, 5 INTs, 8 passes defended). Thanks for the comments, but suggesting Michael Griffin over Ed Reed is just. plain. silly.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're overstating your case, per usual
but I was just looking for an explanation since yours don’t make much sense. Perhaps you should just listen to Shake, because he got it out in about 2 reasonable comments and didn’t sound like an anaphylactic eighth grader in doing so.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget the fact
That I had to explain to you in the first place.
And I do listen to shake n bake. It is why he’s here. He is much more patient with silly fans who make dumb suggestions than I am.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
You’re lucky the conversation was a “civil” as it was. Take that crap to a Ravens site, and they’ll rape you.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not asking you to be civil, and I'm not lucky about a damn thing...
just don’t be a fucking mouth-breather towards anyone with a difference in opinion.
You could be better than this.
You aren’t better than this, but you could be.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
taking the high road while calling BBS a fucking mouth-breather
impressive.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why, thank you.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Conversation over
I’m not a “mouth-breather” to people with different opinions. I’m a mouth breather to people with STUPID opinions. Ranking Michael Griffin over Ed Reed is a stupid, uninformed opinion.
And Chris Pope went to the Pro Bowl. so did Ed Reed. Michael Griffin will not. discussion over.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 16, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you back on DB tackles again?
awful way to evaluate cover guys. Both are Free Safeties. It’s their job to cover. Tackles tell you nothing about that. In fact DBs that get a lot of tackles often suck in coverage because they are making tackles after the gave up receptions.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or because they play in the box alot like Griff...
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so the difference is usage
so the tackles tell you nothing about how good they are comparatively , because Griffen is put in position to make more tackles.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I was just wondering the criteria that was used since there isn’t a hard-and-fast one in Pro Bowl voting.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For DEs and LBs I looked at Sacks, Passes defensed, Tackles, Picks and the Hits and Hurries FO posted
CBs I took #1s off teams that were doing very well against #1 WRs
Safeties I took guys off top DVOA pass Ds with good conventional stats
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's reasonable.
Where I was raised 2 + 2 = 3rd and 6.
by August West on Dec 16, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Griffen didn't even get the most votes among Titans safeties.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
necessarily agree but Peterson will go instead of one of the 3 you mentioned. I hope it’s Portis since Clinton caused so many headaches for my fantasy team this year.
by BlueVol03 on Dec 16, 2008 12:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy but...
How about Steve Smith as WR? He is the best big play receiver in the NFC and maybe the NFL…he missed the first two games when the team suspended him…and he is still has great numbers. For a man his size he may be one of the toughest guys in the NFL. No way he does not make it. Am I informed or will I be lambasted?
by TRDean on Dec 16, 2008 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
52 out of 84
Not bad. Could have done better, but no surprising.
17 of 19 on AFC Defense (They only let you vote for two safeties even though they take 3, so I only voted 2)
Of course I’m talking about how the voters did not me. My picks were awesome.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 16, 2008 4:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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