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Run Keiwan! RUN!

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Never doubt.

That is now the new, NEW catch phrase for this season. Why "Never Doubt" over "Mr. Manning, he just refused to let us lose?" Here is why:

Adam Schefter: Peyton, you started the season 1-2, you fell behind tonight 14-0. Was this game a microcosm of the season?
Peyton: Well, uh, I think it does say a lot about our team, about how we don’t quit, we fight back, very hostile environment, very emotional….
(Coach smacks Peyton on the back, and Peyton turns toward Coach)
Peyton (to Coach): What are you doing, man
Coach: Great job, great job. (shakes hands, leans in for hug)
Peyton: Way to go. Never doubt, right?
Coach: Never doubt. Hey, that’s a heck of a job
Peyton (to Adam): …um, and we just keep fighting, we keep believing. We feed off of each other. ….

The Archie Manning story is great, but it is specific to Peyton. And while Peyton is indeed the 2008 NFL MVP (if not, junk the award because it is meaningless if P doesn't win it) so many people on this team have stepped up at big times to win big games. Because this season has been about the resiliency of the team, Never Doubt works better. Big tip to Picky for transcribing the Manning interview last night.

I could write a chapter in a book on Peyton Manning's performance last night, but it was not just Peyton that came through for the Indianapolis Colts against the always chippy Jacksonville Jaguars. Yes, Peyton kept them in the game, making big throw after big throw to keep the Jags on their heels even though they led most of the game.

It was the play of the defense in the 4th quarter that sealed this win. Please, take a look at the Jaguars offense in the 4th quarter:

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That last drive of 74 yards ended with Dwight Freeney DESTROYING Jacksonville's left tackle as he bulldozes his way to David Garrard for a sack. You know what, SCREW Albert Hayneswoth or DeMarcus Ware for Defensive Player of the Year. When they come up with big, money plays like that in big situations, you can put them in the Dwight Freeney category! Until then, take pleasure in the fact that Dwight Freeney is playing some of the best football in his life. He's been playing all-out from day one.

Sorry, but I have a big man crush on Dwight Freeney now.

Back to the defense overall, this group was getting pushed around for much of the game. Maurice Jones-Drew did his human pinball routine, bouncing off tacklers and bashing his way for extra yards. But, in the 4th quarter, the Colts put them clamps on. Jones-Drew rushed for only 7 yards in the 4th quarter, the quarter you need your RB to rush the most for when nursing a lead. And then there was David Garrard. Garrard had played well most of the night, but, in the 4th quarter, the Colts got into his head and he started to panic.

On Garrard's last four drives of the night, he ended them with an incompetent pass, a pick 6 to Keiwan Ratliff, a sack, and a sack (which ended the game) respectively. 

Now, I personally like David Garrard and I think he is a fine QB. This season is certainly not his fault, but that 4th quarter last night was epically bad for him. His INT to Ratliff was awful, but for us Colts fan it was justice because he threw an equally poor ball to Tim Jennings before halftime that Jennings SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT and run back for 6. The next play Jennings screwed up his assignment and let the Jags receiver catch an easy ball to set up a Josh Scobee FG. So, if you really look at it, Garrard threw 2 INTs for TDs last night, only one was actually caught and returned. It should have been worse for him, but the 4th quarter was where he truly melted down.

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The 4th quarter was very, very rough for Jags QB David Garrard

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Raheem Brock and Robert Mathis also brought it last night, Brock in particular. His sack of Garrard at the 3:48 mark stuffed a promising drive for the Jags. They punted, and lost more time to catch up. Really, in all honesty, the game ended when Ratliff ran that TD back. Once the Jags lost the lead, they got desperate. They stopped running and started throwing every down. The Colts then pinned their ears back, licked their chops, and had a late dinner with David Garrard as the main course.

The giant elephant in the room for Indy after the game was their running game. They ran 18 times for 32 yards (1.8 a carry). Joseph Addai did not play, which left Dominic Rhodes to gut it out himself. Dom did a fine job. The Colts o-line did not. Now, in their defense, the Jaguars game plan on defense for this game was nothing short of moronic. Again, this is not a dig at the players. The Jags have some good ballers on D, but the scheme they ran last night was not one you run against Peyton Manning.

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This man will kill your football team

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The Jags had 8 players in the box most of the night. They crowded the line and refused to let the Colts run the ball. Why they did this, I don't know. You crowd the line against Peyton Manning and he is going to f@&king destroy you. That crap may have worked in Weeks 1-4 when Peyton was playing on one leg, but trying that junk now is like almost conceding the game. Crowding the line means slants and seam routes are wide open. Manning saw those routes, and completed his first 18 passes. He didn't incomplete a ball until the third quarter. Jack Del Rio: WTF were you thinking?

Oh wait. You're Jack Del Rio. Never mind.

The bad for Indy in this game was the o-line, Tim Jennings in the second quarter, and Buster Davis. God bless, Buster. I like him and I think he can develop into a good player for this team, but last night he was awful. Dungy benched him to start the 4th. This moved Freddie to MLB, Tyjuan Hagler to WILL, and Clint to SAM. The result was a Colts defense that stoned the Jags offense.

For more on this game, check out Chris at Big Cat Country.

Despite the flaws, this team never doubted they would come back in this game. That much I am certain of. Listening to Reggie Wayne after the game, they knew they would battle back. They knew someone on defense was going to make a play. They knew Peyton would be Peyton. They knew Dallas Clark and Gijon Robinson would make those big catches. They knew. At 3-4 after the Tennessee Titans loss, they knew they would battle back and make the playoffs. They knew they had the heart, the guts, and the character to get back into the playoff picture. Now, they are in.

Never doubt. Go Colts!

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Um...

he said never A doubt… never A doubt…

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Dec 19, 2008 2:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Get over it ;)

Never Doubt makes more sense.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 19, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

never Adoubt

i dont like never doubt by itself…

it makes plenty of sense the with A in it… in fact.. it makes more sense! and its what he ACTUALLY SAID

by zkmavz on Dec 19, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

Never A Doubt is a thing, noun
Never Doubt is an action, verb.

Never Doubt is the act of believing – That is why it makes more sense. Because Peyton said something to the effect of: always believe, or never stop believing.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 19, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

never a doubt

because there was “never a doubt” that they were going to win this game…

there was “never a doubt” that they would get things back on track after the 3-4 start

i completely understand where you are coming from… i just think its weird that we want to CHANGE what peyt and dungy said and act like its our new rallying cry… go with what peyt and dungy said to each other… they both said it.. there was no stuttering

by zkmavz on Dec 19, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe they said

Denver killed in a rout.

by Nideak on Dec 19, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 19, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. I was going to say the same thing

Nice post, but yeah, the quote was wrong.

I think “never A doubt” is almost better. One of the reasons I love Peyton. Everything they’ve been through this year, the comeback they had to make last night, the way our defense can suck for quarters on end but pull off just enough amazing plays to win the game for us…. It’s just incredible.

Having Peyton joke to Dungy about it was just great. People said Manning was old and might never recover from surgery, Harrison had lost a step and was going to go to jail, our starting DTs decided the wanted to watch football on the couch (one of them with the munchies). Heck, sometimes I questioned whether we worked on run plays on offense or defense over training camp. But here we are, ready to go, and I think more energized than ever for a playoff run.

Dungy drives me crazy sometimes, but his leadership of this team is perfect. People love to comment about how angry Peyton gets when things go bad, but over the years, Dungy has worn off on Peyton. I first saw it in The Comeback two years ago. Now we see it almost every week. We don’t run the Wildcat. We haven’t tried a halfback pass this season, and we’ll never have Adam V trying to run 14 yards on a fake field goal attempt. Just pure football.

Go back and look at any of the game threads from this season and you’ll see just about every one of us at some point saying “it’s over” when there was still time. We’re in the minority of Colts fans that can actually run down a list of special teams players, and we were quitting on our team! Yet the Colts never quit on themselves. Everyone doubted them, even us.

I don’t think Peyton could have said a better line. This was the toughest test this team has faced, and they passed. Go watch the video of Reggie when Deion talks about the post-season. See the fire in our players’ eyes! This is going to be a great post-season. No doubt in my mind. :)

GO HORSE!

by hoosierdore on Dec 19, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

I heard “never a doubt”

by jedye on Dec 19, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Freeney

I’ve always said that Freeney was worth every cent of his contract. He (and please, I’m not saying this because I hate Bob Sanders) is the MVP of this defense. Without him they are nothing. Aside from the Lions game where he didn’t keep backside contain, he plays the run better than any ‘expert’ will ever give him credit for. Dwight Freeney has fallen victim to the Colts’ Media Syndrome. This syndrome effects almost every person on the team in one way or another; the media will take one negative label, place it on a player for the Colts, and that label NEVER comes off. Manning is a choker, harrison is soft, freeney can’t stop the run, the colts are too small, the colts can’t win in weather, they aren’t physical, etc… The fact of the matter is, whenever Freeney is ‘out of position’ to stop a run… HE’S IN HIS F*%@ING GAP, PEOPLE. If he was where the running back was, HE WOULDNT BE IN HIS GAP, AND THEN THE RB WOULD RUN TO WHERE FREENEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN AND WOULD BE GONE.

I hate when people that PLAYED THE GAME get on TV and instead of being able to articulate whats happening just take the easy, lazy way out, and get a nice fat paycheck.

by Nideak on Dec 19, 2008 2:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can't choose

between Freeney and Mathis. They were both at Garrard on that play. Both of them weren’t going to let him get the ball out of his hands. Can someone explain to me Mathis’ contract situation? Supposedly we’re already looking to be $2 million over the cap for next year. Do we need to franchise him or what?

by hoosierdore on Dec 19, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If memory serves,

they signed Mathis to a long term contract BEFORE Freeney, so Mathis should be locked up.

by Nideak on Dec 19, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's Not a Free Agent

The notable free agents for next year are Saturday, Hayden, Reid and Rhodes. That’s it.

http://naptownsfinest.com

by Colts Homer on Dec 19, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd throw Giordano and Ratliff in the notables too

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 19, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Giordano piss you off last night?

With his refusal to WRAP UP? I’m convinced this secondary reads its own press clippings and always has that one game where they do nothing but shoulder tackle for the big hit, and it always bites them in the ass.

by Nideak on Dec 19, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's an great special teamer

I hate seeing him in the base D in any role other than a dimeback.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 19, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is a good ST. And I think he’ll be cheap to keep. The only way he’d get away is if some team thinks like me. He reminds me of a kevin kaesviharn type guy. Not great, but at his age, speed, and quickness, I think he could grow into an above average zone safety. I’m probably wrong, but he just seems to be a smart football player.

by Nideak on Dec 19, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And Foster but he's an exclusive rights I believe

I used notable as if we don’t resign them they will get a good contract elsewhere. I think Ratliff will be resigned for minimum, especially with Rushing and Coe back. Giordano IMO is expendable with Bullitt’s development and Silva and Condren being on the roster/ps.

The 2009 free agents are horrible though. Marlin Jackson, Antoine Bethea, Freddie Keiaho, Clint Session, Keyunta Dawson AND Gary Brackett. That’ll be a tough one to keep any of those guys. I’m glad we don’t have to worry about it until this time next year.

http://naptownsfinest.com

by Colts Homer on Dec 19, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Foster is a guy

that isn’t getting mentioned enough, imo. The two games h e’s been out, Detroit and Jax, our run defense has really taken a step back. Starting to wonder how much AUSTRALLIAN FOR BEER does for this line.

by Nideak on Dec 19, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

undisclosed contract, Coltcap.net doesn't even have it

he will be exclusive rights if his deal is up after the year. Need 3 years of service to be a restricted FA and 4 for unrestricted.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 19, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Yeah. Went to google right after I posted that. We have him through 2010 or so. Yay for Polian.

After seeing what life is like without Saturday, Peyton should give up half his salary just to keep him around.

by hoosierdore on Dec 19, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Peyton's contract

I’m not cap savy. I think if Polian is going to redo Peyton’s contract this is the year. He has 3 years left, I think, but this is the last year of the signing bonus, so they can completely redo the contract. If they do that, it should significantly lower the absurdly high base-salary portion.

by Nideak on Dec 19, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How many passing TDs

were thrown on us?

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 19, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

3 TDs scored...

Montel Owens – running, Garrard – Running, Dennis Northcut – 1 receiving.

so one.

by Nideak on Dec 19, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I was too lazy to find it. :S

So, we have only 5 passing TDs against us so far this year.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 19, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it 6?

Because I thought it was four leading into the Lions game, and Johnson scored which would make it 5 going into Jacksonville, and then yeah Northcutt scored on us so that makes 6. Not sure though, where’s shake?

It's a bird, it's a plane... no it's Supermathis!!!

by AussieColtsFan on Dec 19, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Never in Doubt"

Don’t wanna’ be “that guy,” but having listened to the interview, Peyton and Dungy definitely said “never in doubt.”

by superchimp on Dec 19, 2008 5:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

well ill continue to be that guy

but i just listened to it like 7 times in a row… and i still think they said… never A doubt

by zkmavz on Dec 19, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 19, 2008 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

could be either one

but there was definitely a word between never and doubt.

by jedye on Dec 19, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Out of the four losses this season

 The Week 3 loss to Jax was the one that bothered me the most. Not the Bears game, granted Peyton had just came back from not 1 , but 2 knee surgeries; or the Packers and Titans games since the team was out of sync and Peyton and majority of the team was still recovering for injuries or out for those; but that damn Jax game where Garrard marched down the field with like 1:30 left of the clock to set up a game-winning field goal just after Peyton marched down the field for a TD. That’s been eating at me for like 3 months and now I’m relieved that the Colts are going to the playoffs while the Jags will be watching the games from their homes or on vactation in Mexico or wherever they go.

by KMR24 on Dec 19, 2008 6:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Never doubt...

that “Never Doubt” is the best slogan!

by coltsfanawalt on Dec 19, 2008 7:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great Win

You guys did a great job on Thursday. Another classic Jaguars-Colts game, though I would have like a slightly different outcome. Now if you’re going to do this, do it right and win it all.

Here’s to the next time we meet!

-Chris

Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!

by River City Rage on Dec 19, 2008 8:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

re: never in doubt

Just want to add my voice to the group of people saying it was “Never in doubt,” or “Never a doubt,” or even “Never any doubt,” because I don’t want this site adopting a slogan with the wrong history. In fact, I think Peyton was being ironic rather than instructive, as in, “Hey, when we were down by 14 in the first and 10 in the third, you always knew we were gonna come back, right Dungy, ’cause I did, sure as hell did (wink *wink*).” And so Dungy says “Sure, I knew, I never thought we would lose, I never secretly wondered about how long it’s been since the I watched the entire playoffs from my living room, or why that little shit MJD could slip through Buster Davis’s arms so many times, or whether Bill Polian sold his soul to the devil for an uncanny ability to evaluate talent, so that divine logic commands we will never win a playoff game again. No, Peyton, never a doubt.”

by CooperManningsNotTrying on Dec 19, 2008 9:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It was the play of the defense in the 4th quarter that sealed this win. Please, take a look at the Jaguars offense in the 4th quarter:

The lazy, poor-performing, underachieving colts defense sucking for 3 straight quarters plus most of the 4th is the reason the defense had to “seal the win” in the 4th. Had they played some defense the first 75% of the game they would’ve had a decent-sized lead and not had to have last minute heroics. Why do so many people ignore the horrible defensive play that made up the majority of the game and herald the last ditch effort. That’s like bragging on a qb for comebacks in the 4th quarter. YOU DON’T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK. The idea is to lead, and keep the lead. Don’t get behind. Peyton did everything he could. For the majority of the game the defense seemed to do everything they could to let the jags keep the lead, or take it back. They shouldn’t have needed the int return for a td or the sack at the end. A defense that lets the jags drive 83 yards with just over 2 minutes to go isn’t going to cut it in the playoffs. Peyton can’t keep up with this junk D giving up more than he can score.

by tapper on Dec 20, 2008 1:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree....

For most of this game I was thinking how Randy Cross was full of BS for stating that the Colts were the best tackling team in the NFL. They sucked…and nobody was wrapping up!! This Defense did not win the game for the Colts…that goes to Peyton. Ignoring the piss poor defense for 3 full quarters is having your head in the sand.

All that said, I give the Jags and Del Rio a lot of credit. They came out and played hard. They always play hard against the Colts and should be given credit for not giving up on their season.

On to the PLAYOFFS!!!

by TRDean on Dec 20, 2008 8:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations!

I wrote this comment on the Big Cat Country site:

 
Thank you
This post was way too negative and didn’t give enough credit the the Jaguars and coaches who are still knocking their brains and hearts out to play. Peyton Manning is fanastic and to watch him play is a standard we should aspire to see in David. The Colts are very well coached and also a standard we should aspire our coaching staff to achieve.

- Terry from BBC

by Tkopa on Dec 20, 2008 9:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I had never been to BCC before, but I followed BBS’ link there, and after reading the main posts, I started reading the fan post… man, I appreciate what you have to say, because I don’t think Colts’ fans understand how special the team they cheer for is, how rare it is, but the people over at BCC calling Manning overrated are ignorant. One poster, in particular, FSblueapoc, is definitely a college fan.

I lived in jacksonville during the Tom Coughlin era, I always respected the Jaguars back then. Since Del Rio took over, it seems to me, and maybe this stuff only happened in Colts games, but they seemed like a team that couldn’t keep their emotions in check. Too many thuggish plays. Too much ‘its not my fault’. I’ve never thought Del Rio was a good coach. He built a team that could beat the Colts, cut back running, big O-Line, passing as needed. He and Shack did that. But in doing so, he can’t beat anyone else. More coaches will be fired this year, more blame will be passed on to the next person, more excuses will be made. I hope that soon, Weaver fires Del Rio, and the Jaguars can become a franchise that I don’t look upon as childish thugs. You may not care about how others view your franchise, and I understand and respect that, but I can’t imagine you’re happy with how they play. Also, say what you want about him, but the way the fanbase treated Byron Leftwich was embarassing at best, and bordering on something much more dark and… best left unsaid.

Good luck against Balt, I know the Jags will have a lot of fans up in new england next week. From one fan to another, I hope you don’t have to suffer through another disappointing season next year.

by Nideak on Dec 20, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What other reason

Then being terrible, could the Jags have hated Leftwich for?

You can’t place the race card with that man, look at the NFL.

by furrycolt on Dec 20, 2008 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hard to play the race card when both the backup the team embraced and current and former 3rd stringers were all black

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2008 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

taking this way off topic

but the Jags haven’t had a white QB since Mark Brunell left.

All Fatty McButterpants, Garrard, Cleo Lemon and our old friend Quinn Gray.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2008 7:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Leftwich didn’t suck. He has a crapass motion that the coaches didn’t do anything about, he had problems, but he also had a damn nice year in 05 or 06. He showed flashes of being good. I’m not saying he was great or a franchise QB, but he wasn’t teh suck, and in the end I don’t think Garrard will wind up being much better.

That said, dig around on the internet to read some of the hate spewed towards leftwich back then. The city never gave him a chance, at all.

by Nideak on Dec 20, 2008 10:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if a throwing motion was something that was easily fixable

scouts wouldn’t be talking about Tebow as a TE and the ruptured spleen that f’ed up Chris Simms’ throwing wouldn’t have turned him from a great backup/possible starter into a 3rd stringer.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 21, 2008 1:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2005 was his high in QB Rating, and all the yards per attempt stats

57.9% completion, less than 200 yards per game, less than 1.5 TD per game, he did a good job on not throwing picks, but some of that might be him just eating a lot of balls, sacked on 7.1% of his dropbacks.

At his best he was a game manager he took too many sacks.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 21, 2008 1:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Two players, taken in consecutive years, these are their first 3 years:

Player A: 40 games played, 681 comp of 1101 attempts (62%), 44 TDs, 31 INTs.

Player B: 41 games played, 644 comp of 1032 attemtps (62%), 52 TDs, 43 INTs.

Who is who?

by Nideak on Dec 21, 2008 2:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To continue the stats a little more:

Player A: Sacked 67 times over the first three years of his career. He ran for 6 touchdowns, 24 first downs, and had 2 fumbles

Player B: sacked 99 times over the first three years of his career. He ran for 6 TDs, had 32 first downs, and 4 fumbles.

by Nideak on Dec 21, 2008 2:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one last thing before bed:

I’m not a Leftwich fan. I’m not a jacksonvile fan (obviously).. but Leftwich wasn’t the problem with that team and Garrard isn’t the savior. Just from the QB perspective (in the Del Rio era ONLY): They’ve always had good guard play (which is why they are a good running team) but they’ve never had franchise tackles. They’ve never had a #1 WR option in the prime/non cocaine portion of his career. You can run the ball all day and all night, but you eventually have to be able to throw it if you want to win anything of importance and until they provide the QB with the tools to do so, every jax QB will suffer the same problems.

by Nideak on Dec 21, 2008 2:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are right

Jack Del Rio only gets along with certain people, if you don’t get along with Jack you are gone. We let Deon Grant go because he and Jack didn’t see eye to eye. Now we have Reggie “that was your man” Nelson. Peyton was very mean when he faked a scramble and Reggie bit on it and let his reciever go. It’s not fair to pick on the slow kids in class.

by Tkopa on Dec 21, 2008 9:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

crap, sorry

i left something out from the stats, and I don’t want you to think it was intentional:

Player A: 7883 yards passing

Player B: 8519 yards passing

by Nideak on Dec 21, 2008 3:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They are very close

I’ll decide from my favorite box score derived stat ANY/A

A: 5.78

B: 5.94

B wins, I assume B is Leftwich, A is Garrad?

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 21, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

but They are close, and that was my point.

A is Leftwich, B is Ben Roethlisberger, who is touted as the greatest thing to come out of a woman since… is this a family site?

Anyhow, when you look at what Ben had around him:

2004:
Burress
Randle El
Ward

Bettis
Parker

2005:

Ward
Randle El
Quincy Morgan

Bettis
Parker

2006:

Ward
Holmes
Washington

Parker
Staley
Davenport

Compared to what Leftwich had:

Troy Edwards
Cortez Hankton
Matthew Hatchette
Kevin Johnson
Jimmy SmitH (for 12 games)
JJ Stokes

Fred Taylor
Toefield

2004:
Smith
Edwards
Hankton
Reggie Williams

Fred Taylor
LaBrandon Toefield

2005:

Edwards
Hankton
Reggie Williams
Matt Jones
Ernest Wilford
Jimmy Smith

Fred Taylor
Toefield

Ben had a better line, better WRs, better RBs than Leftwich, and only put up marginally better numbers. Again, I feel dirty for having to carry this flag… he may not have been worth the #7 pick (is that where he went, or was it 8? I know that forfeited a spot because they were arguing over suggs and leftwich) but my point is: Roethlisberger is loved, adored, idolized (different teams, I understand) while Leftwich was ridiculed and dumped on the scrap pile.

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