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2008 NFL MVP Update: Peyton Manning has "staked his claim"

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It is pretty sad when Warren Sapp makes more sense discussing the MVP "race" than Peter King does. And, after this weekend of games, and after watching Adrian Peterson and Ben Roethlisberger fumble away any and all chance they had to potentially win the award, it is still amazing to think that there will likely be someone who votes for a player other than Peyton Manning. But, there likely will be, and maybe it will be our boy Peter, who recently admitted he voted for Carnell Lake for MVP in 1997.

Carnell Lake, folks. Over Brett Favre and Barry Sanders. I just barfed.

Now, when you read Peter's reasons, they make some sense, but not much:

That was my lonely little Carnell Lake vote, coming from the year when Lake played at an all-pro level at both corner and safety, led the Steelers in sacks, and led a defense that held quarterbacks to a league-low 53-percent completions.

Pretty crazy year.

I remember that year. The Steelers were 11-5, but no one saw them as a premiere team with Super Bowl prospects. Maybe King did, but his knowledge of football has always been suspect. The Green Bay Packers, meanwhile, were 13-3 and coming off their Super Bowl season. Brett Favre responded in '97 by throwing for almost 4,000 yards and 35 TDs. The Packers, without Favre, would have been nothing. The other MVP candidate (some guy for the Lions named Barry Sanders), rushed for over 2,000 yards and had 14 total TDs.

Yet, in the eyes of Peter King, the immortal Carnell Lake was supposedly "better" than these guys in 1997. Ugh.

Look, the 2008 MVP race has been over for some time. If any moron yutz agrees with the sports world's resident dunce at SI, the powers that be need to seriously consider taking the right to vote for the MVP away from them. Seriously, this award is for the NFL's best player. Spare me the crap about "most valuable to their team." This award is for the best player in the NFL. The one that has the most impact on the NFL. When this guy steps on the field, he changes the game itself. That is the MVP.

The NFL has an offensive and defensive player of the year award for the "Carnell Lakes" of this league. In typical Peter King fashion, he is confusing "best player on offense-defense" with "League's Best Player, Period."

But, because there are still some people out there who are morons, here is why these supposed "candidates" are not in the same stratosphere as Peyton Manning when it comes to the MVP award:

Adrian Peterson, RB, Vikings: I agree with shake n bake. Peterson doesn't even belong in the Pro Bowl, let alone the MVP discussion. Yes, we are serious when we say this. Why? The man has 8 fumbles on the season. 8 FRIGGIN FUMBLES! I don't care if the guy can fly. 8 fumbles by any running back totally and completely disqualifies them from MVP discussion. That's like inviting a QB to the Pro Bowl even though he's thrown more INTs than TDs. Against the Falcons, in a must win for the Vikings, Peterson fumbled the ball twice on two very big drives. They were absolute killers. They may cost Minnesota a playoff bid. To compare this to another RB who was notorious for putting the ball on the turf, former Rams player Cleveland Gary once had 9 fumbles in a season. Peterson may tie him for that, and then (next year) shoot for Gary's single-season "gem" of 12 fumbles. Peterson is a fumble machine, and anyone who votes for Peterson is a clueless yutz and does not understand football.

Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Steelers: The fact that this guy is on several voters' radar is an insult to fans everywhere. Ben has only thrown for 17 TDs, completed less than 60% of his passes, and has taken 46 sacks. He has also fumbled the ball 14 times, and lost 7 of those 14. Oh, and he's thrown 14 picks. So, to recap, that is 17 TDs and 21 turnovers. Ben has had some great games this year, but those numbers are anemic. Anyone who votes for Roethlisberger is a clueless yutz and does not understand football. Or, their name is Merrill Hoge.

Matt Ryan, QB, Falcons: Ryan is the only serious alternative to Peyton, but the plain and simple fact is he is a rookie and is not a better QB or player than Peyton is. Yes, he has helped get the Faclons get into the playoffs after they languished through a 4-12 season the year before and had to deal with the fallout of the Michael Vick scandal. But equally important to Atlanta's revival is RB Michael Turner, and I don't see his name on any MVP multiple choice cards. Then, there are Ryan's numbers, which are not as good as Peyton's. Ryan has thrown only 15 TDs. The last serious MVP candidate who was a QB to throw only 15 TDs was probably some guy who played in the 1940s. The bottom line here is if you vote for Matt Ryan for MVP, you are saying he is a better QB and a better player than Peyton Manning right now. And if you really do think that, you are a clueless yutz and do not understand football.

James Harrison, LB, Steelers: There is a reason they have a Defensive Player of the Year award. How many LBers have we seen come out of Pittsburgh that played with the same level of impact as Harrison has this year? Lloyd, Green, Porter are some names to come to mind. Were they legit MVP candidates back in their day? No. Neither is Harrison now. Harrison isn't even the most important defensive player on his own team. DT Casey Hampton and SS Troy Polamalu trump him there. Harrison is the DPoY, no doubt. He's got 17 sacks and 7 forced fumbles. But only a clueless yutz and who does not understand football would vote for him as an MVP candidate.

Chad Pennington, QB, Dolphins: Pennington is the reason the NFL has a "Comeback Player of the Year" award. He has guided the once 1-15 Dolphins to the brink of winning the AFC East this year. It's funny because the reason everyone thinks Chad is a legit MVP candidate is because he doesn't turn the football over. He has thrown only thrown 7 INTs, fumbled twice, and lost none of those fumbles. So, if the lack of turnovers is the criteria these people are using WTF ARE PETERSON AND ROELISBERGER DOING ON THEIR LIST! Pennington has had a great season, but we don't even know yet if his team will make the playoffs, and the MVP has to be in the playoffs. Also, if you vote for Chad Pennington, you are saying he is a better QB and player than Peyton Manning. And if you think that, see Matt Ryan for a description on how you are clueless. I also call you a yutz.

Totally absent from the MVP radar are Kurt Warner and Brett Favre. This is why MVPs are handed out at the end of the regular season and not after Week 12.

Look, the 2008 MVP final vote tally should be unanimous. If it isn't, then someone putz is being "cute" with his vote, like Peter King was in 1997. This year, the best player in the regular season has been Peyton Manning. Even when Indy started 3-4 and he was playing on one leg behind a patchwork o-line, Peyton orchestrated some brilliant come from behind victories against the Vikings in Minnesota and the Texans in Houston. He also shredded Baltimore's defense for 271 yards and 3 TDs with no turnovers in Week 6. So, it is not like he has been playing well only during this 8 game winning streak.

The MVP is Peyton. It's always been Peyton.

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I think I’m completely sold on Peyton now. I wanted to wait and see how he finished off the season (well most of it anyways), and compare it to how Peterson did. There’s no question, Peyton deserves it. I just hope they don’t screw him and make him Co-MVP.

by KingRichard on Dec 22, 2008 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

yeah

With the exception of Ryan, I think everyone else pretty much played their way out of MVP contention this weekend

by burc on Dec 22, 2008 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

I totally agree ...

after this week, Peyton is clearly the front runner for MVP …

However, you say “spare me the crap about most valuble to their team” …. but haven’t there been about 783 posts on this site about how valuable Peyton is to the Colts and where would we be without him ?? And conversely Eli should not win the MVP because his team could win without him …

Sorry, maybe that was not you BBS … maybe i read it in some fanposts or something, but i know the argument has been made for Peyton on the basis of how much he means to the Colts …

Either way, i think it should be taken into consideration how important a player is to his team, i mean you certainly have to look at that … if not, and it’s only based on his impact on the NFL … well then why not just give it to the player with the best stats ??

I mean if you want to say it’s the person who changes the game when he steps on the field … and you don’t look at all the other intangibles (like impact on team, leadership, confidence) then logically, it would have to be the person with the best stats, because that person impacts the game more than any other.

I think looking at a players intangibles, including importance to team is imperative in the MVP race ….

Also is it in the NFL rules that the MVP has to make the playoffs ??

Sorry for the rant, I promise i’m not tyring to be an a-hole … it’s monday and i’m being argumentative because a goofball who knows nothing about fantasy football beat me yesterday because of Philip freaking Rivers !!!

"If loving Peyton Manning is wrong, I don't wanna be right"

by ClarkFan44 on Dec 22, 2008 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Peterson

Had 2 fumbles credited to him, but there was also a fumble between Jackson and Peterson that was clearly Peterson’s fault that was credited to Jackson. I agree with almost everything you said in this post. The only person I can see having a shot at taking the MVP away from Peyton is DeMarcus Ware, if he breaks the sacks record. Even then, I would have doubts. But we all know how much people like giving MVP to record breakers.

by yellowsnow on Dec 22, 2008 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

Oh yeah

And we all know how the Dallas Cowboys get completely overrated in every single facet of the game all the time on every station.

by yellowsnow on Dec 22, 2008 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

More Ints than TDs

You may not deserve to get invited to the Pro Bowl if you throw more interceptions than touchdown passes, but it doesn’t mean you won’t get elected to the Hall of Fame…

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/N/NamaJo00.htm

by 88horsepower on Dec 22, 2008 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

I do think Peterson has had a Pro Bowl Caliber season

if the NFC hadn’t been so packed with top backs he would have been an easy lock.

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
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08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Dec 22, 2008 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

I'm sure

It will be close because sportswriters never want to give Peyton the MVP. He wasn’t unanimous in 2004 (Vick had one vote from the Detroit guy. Remember voting was soon after the brawl that year) and in 2003 he split it with the perpetually injured Steve McNair. My guess is Brees, Harrison, Peterson and Ware are all up there but Peyton does win it.

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by Colts Homer on Dec 22, 2008 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

He just has to win it

Could these sportswriters be charged with a crime for not voting for Peyton.

On a side note the curse of the jersey is gone, I wore my Manning jersey on thrusday and we won.

by canadiancolts on Dec 22, 2008 1:55 PM EST reply actions  

The curse of the jersey color broke for me too

I wore my blue Peyton jersey and we won wearing white jerseys. Not abiding to that curse cost Notre Dame the end of their season.

http://naptownsfinest.com

by Colts Homer on Dec 22, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Curse of the jersey....

I was only able to catch the 2nd half and about 4 minutes into it, I dorned my blue #18…good stuff followed! :)

I’m happy to hear that I haven’t been the only to have issues… :D

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 22, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

It’s tough to go out and try to break the curse!

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by Colts Homer on Dec 22, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No one has done more or means more to a team

I hate to say this but Colts fans are going to have a hard time adjusting to life without Peyton. You can’t imagine how much the rest of us wish we had a guy of his ability. You have now been spoiled by one of the greats.

Give him MVP and win another Super Bowl. Get all you can now and enjoy it.

- Terry from BCC

by Tkopa on Dec 22, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

I can't even think about it.

His retirement…it will be a sad, sad day.

Thanks for the kind words. I would love him to win at least 1 more Superbowl. Another MVP would be icing on the cake!!

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 22, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

When he retires

We better have a great young QB behind him to learn. I hope he would play at least 5 more years though.

http://naptownsfinest.com

by Colts Homer on Dec 22, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

NEVER! Peyton will play FOREVER! When he starts to break down, we’ll just start replacing him with bionic parts. Elbow problems? We’ll replace his arm with a ROCKET LAUNCHER. Knee problems? Goodbye legs, hello TANK TREADS. Field vision? BIONIC X-RAY EYES.

Just you wait, NFL. MECHAPEYTON is coming. Just wait until you see him transform into Jet mode.

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by MonkeyBusiness on Dec 22, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe a weekend at Bernie's?

Sorry that is dark humor.

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by Tkopa on Dec 22, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear ya.

Those dark days will last for a while, as well. Possibly a case of each…?

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 22, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

May I just take this opportunity

to say that Merrill Hoge is a complete tool.

by Ayrshire on Dec 22, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions  

Everything he says is toolish.

by KingRichard on Dec 22, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

http://naptownsfinest.com

by Colts Homer on Dec 22, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

something about Matt Ryan deserving the MVP

Dilfer has the big picture though. He said Manning deserves the award hands down.

by Ayrshire on Dec 22, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Matt Ryan deserves a different award

I don’t know what, ROY definitely, but is there an award for getting a team out of the dumps? I dunno, ‘The Peyton Manning Award’, given to the player who takes a shitty team and makes them respectable.

Mike Smith is COY, Matt Ryan is ROY… but I don’t think Ryan is lifting them up on his back and making it better. Seems like a collection of players that were tired of being kicked around last year has come together to play football instead of kill dogs.

by Nideak on Dec 22, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The MVP doesn't always go to the best player

Otherwise, the likes of Michael Jordan would have a lot more of them (heck, Peyton would have more). Thus, I think simply pointing out that Manning is better than Ryan (which everyone knows) doesn’t really show that Ryan doesn’t deserve it more than Peyton. I agree that Manning deserves it more than anyone on that list, but I don’t think that argument is a particularly good one.

by TheElusiveShadow on Dec 25, 2008 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

PEYTON = MVP

Hello I would like to offer my imput as far as who is the NFL MVP this year.

To me, Peyton is hands down the NFL MVP. If the award is MOST VALUABLE to his team. How can anyone argue it is not Peyton? There have been games this year he SINGLE HANDEDLY carried the entire team on his back. For anyone who watched the game at Pitt, at San Diego, and at Jacksonville, you would know what I am talking about. Clearly Peyton has the ability to come up huge for his team in key road games. Compare that to numbers of a guy like Brees (combined 5 int’s in the two games at the Bucs and Bears, 2 games his team NEEDED to have) and it is clear how valuable he is. Not to mention the Colts have had NO running game all year, a completely banged up offensive line, the decline of Marvin Harrison as well as injuries to other receivers. Look there are clearly other candidates to win the award, but to me its impossible to say they have had more of an impact on their team like Peyton.

Comparing him to other candidates such as Matt Cassell and Phillip Rivers, people need to look at the fact how much help these two guys have around them.

While Cassell may not have the star RB, he has an overall decent running game, two GREAT receivers such as Welker and Moss and an awesome offensive line.

Phillip Rivers has a GREAT amount of help with him an offense. Yes LT has been slightly banged up but he is still a good back. Throw in Gates to the mix with a decent group of recievers, all the surrounding players are there for him to be good.

Chad Pennington has done an AMAZING job turning that team around and coming from a Jets fan, I am happy to see him do well, even if it is in Miami. The thing with Chad is that he is asked nothing more but to manage the game. Rarely this year has he had to win a game by himself. He has done a fantastic job of that dont get me wrong, but MVP candidates need to go out there and win a game by themselves when asked, and Chad simply doesnt need to do that.

When it comes to Michael Turner, he is definitely up there. To make the turnaround the team has had, it would be tough not to mention his name. But fact is, people were even talking Matt Ryan for mvp and he was a legitimate candidate. How can you judge who is more valuable when it comes to Ryan or Turner? To me. both are equally as VALUABLE and the team would be nowhere without either of them. With that being said, I dont think you can pick one of them for league MVP. They are both crucial to their team but there are other candidates(such as Peyton) who have done it all with little help.

In the past people could say the Colts had a lot of offensive talent and it was true. But given this year with all injuries and struggles the team has faced, and to have them at 11-4, winning 8 straight is nothing short of amazing. The key reason for that success? Peyton Manning.

by rangerz248 on Dec 26, 2008 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

NFL MVP Scam

It all a scam on popularity not NFL stats.

Fact is Manning stats are only 6th in th NFL of quarterbacks.

1) Bress 5000+ yard
2) Warner and Kurt did more with less then all the NFL Quarterbacks …
The fact no run game mean all defense did was key on Warner.
The last few weeks the team is playing after it already won the division.
Still he threw 4 Touchdowns in last game.The always losing Cardinals win season… That says it all, yet no run game , and Warner throw 4583 yards 6 300 yard games in a roll NFL record .@008 threw his 3rd perfect game another NFL record. High passing rating then 6 place Manning.
Fact NFL MVP is a purely a scam ….
Take Baseball it’s about Stats not popularity
St.Louis Cardinals did not even win this year yet MLB knows what MVP means and Awards Pujols MVP ….
Kurt Warner loss MVP because the NFL discrimination against Warner because he is a christian! Seem hatre for Jesus runs deep in the NFL ….

by brownhatter on Jan 2, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Bullshit

Sadly, Manning probably will win this, but looking at other QB’s stats this is horseshit.
Kurt Warner had “good” receivers to throw it to but nothing like manning had.
Phillip Rivers had the most TD passes but since his team sucked this year he’s overlooked
Drew Brees had over 5000 yards… explains itself
Matt Ryan, he did amazing this year especially for a rookie but because he’s a rookie he won’t win it.
Chad Pennington, has everyone forgotten that the dolphins were 1-15 last year?
Kerry Collins, he QB’ed for the injured Vince Young and did an amazing job at it.
Hell even Matt Cassell did a better job than Manning did… the Patriots had 15 starters on injury reserve and he led the team to an 11-5 record.

But, the NFL MVP award is a simple popularity contest and Manning is the most popular at the moment.
If Tom Brady wasn’t injured we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. The Patriots would be #1 seed in AFC again and he’d have similar numbers to last year, but alas Bernard Pollard or whatever the hell is name was had to go and fuck it up.

by Kain on Jan 3, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

Warner and the Cardinals

Not sure who they play next week maybe Giants
Last time they played them it was a close game came down to special teams.

Same goes for Panthers it was a close game came down to mistakes by the Cardinals.

The real thing Warner and Cardinals have to deal with is the aweful nfl officials .
The game yesterday 3 in a roll ,pass interference not called,then holding in endzone should been safety,then holding not called. Chris Collinsworth was going nut saying how can you not call those ???
NFL Officials have been aweful in 2008 League wide…

I have a blog I been writing all year on Warner …
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/65739-kurt-warner

by brownhatter on Jan 4, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

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