Debunking stupid myths about resting starters
From ESPN 1070's Kevin Lee:
On the decision whether to rest guys or not, Dungy essentially said he understands the decision will be considered a good one if they win and a bad one if they don't. He doesn't believe resting players had any impact on previous losses in the opening game of the playoffs. He cited examples of playing well and winning coming off of byes or for the first regular season game (when everyone sits out the last preseason game). In regards to momentum - nothing that happens the previous week determines what happens in the next game. As it often does, he refers back to how Chuck Noll handled the Steelers teams. He joked that he only got to play at the end of seasons when the stars were resting, and the Steelers won multiple Super Bowls doing it that way.
I'm going to repeat what I said back in January of this year: Dungy resting starters in the third quarter of the last regular season game in 2007 against the Titans had nothing to do with Indy losing to San Diego in the playoffs that year. Two weeks after that Titans game, the Colts came out in the playoff game against SD red hot and had the Chargers reeling early. SD battled back, took the lead, but then gave it up again on the late 56 yard TD reception by Anthony Gonzalez. Manning was brilliant. Receivers were killing SD's secondary. The defense injured Tomlinson and knocked Rivers out of the game.
But, without a consistent pass rush because Dwight Freeney was out and Robert Mathis was hurt, Billy Volek stepped in at QB and guided a game-winning 4th quarter TD. Ball game.
Now, the one example of "not resting starters equals success" that everyone clings to is the Giants last year. They played starters against the Patriots in the last regular season game (and lost). They then won four playoff games in a row, including the Super Bowl. Lost in this sentimental myth is the fact that New England also played their starters in that meaningless last regular season game. They beat the toothless Jaguars two weeks later and then looked sluggish in barely beating the Chargers before getting beaten up by the Giants in the Super Bowl.
So please, spare me all the "resting starters" whining.
This game coming up on Sunday against the Titans is utterly meaningless. "Pride" don't help you win playoff games. "Bragging rights" are for losers who have never won anything (that's why they brag). And anyone who insinuates that the Colts don't play games to win needs their head looked at. Seven straight playoff appearances, five AFC South titles, and a Super Bowl; thank you very much.
Again, as Dungy said, the Noll led Steelers won four Super Bowls, and they always rested starters in meaningless games leading up to the playoffs. You want to second guess Chuck Noll? Hope you like looking stupid.
If the Colts want to rest guys like Dominic Rhodes, Freddie Keiaho, or Dallas Clark because they are nicked up, that's fine. If Pierre Garcon and Roy Hall need playing time, why not give it to them? Might as well have them play now in case Indy may need them in a few weeks. You don't think Jeff Fisher is thinking the same thing? Think again. Jeff Fisher may be a douche, but he isn't dumb. He knows that if his 36-year-old QB gets hurt, his team has little chance to win a playoff game.
Everyone, please shake yourself away from these dumb, silly myths peddled on you by people who do not know or understand football. Look past all the phony posturing and fake bravado. The Colts are a tough, veteran team that has a ton of playoff experience. They know how to prepare for the playoffs and know what is expected of them. The key to winning in the post-season isn't playing starters in meaningless regular season games.
It's being healthy at the right time, and if resting starters gets you healthy, then rest them.
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I forsee bad things in the Titans’ future. It’s almost like last year with the Patriots. All of the crap about how they were the best team ever, the taping incident(s), Tom Brady acting like a faggot on national television when he confronted that Steelers player, Wes Welker running his mouth against the Colts, Brady acting like a snobby prick in response to the Plaxico prediction; all of this stuff that was just building up and building up until it all just exploded into a massive shitstorm of humiliation at their expense. I just feel it coming. All of the retarded things these Titans players keep doing, it’s just going to pile up until it comes back to smack them in the face; and it’s going to be great to watch.
by KingRichard on Dec 23, 2008 9:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here, Here, KR
I don’t understand why so many Titans fans believe that since their team is the #1 seed that it’s guaranteed a spot in the AFCCG let alone the Super Bowl. The regular season only gets to at least ONE playoff game; that’s it. Tenn is a very good team, not great, but very good. No one in the AFC is invincible, not the Titans, the Steelers, or the Colts. Those are the only 3 teams ( and possibly Ravens) that have a shot at the Super Bowl, so it’s anyone’s game.
by KMR24 on Dec 23, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no intelligent titans fans think we are assured of anything but one home playoff game with the promise of another if we win
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by hal41605 on Dec 23, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
umm.... minus the media attention
all those jerkoffs in the mainstream media, and a lot of the web media, can talk about is some damn towel. if the pats had just wiped out the steelers 31-14 to move to 13-2, and clinch the #1 seed, they would be doing live interviews from inside tom brady’s jockstrap, and we would all be wishing they wouldn’t talk with their mouths full.
i totally admit, i wish chris johnson would stop taunting other teams before he crosses the goal line. i don’t particularly give a damn about the towels, but i am kinda sick of lendale white being our sound bite guy. with that said, we are no where near the level of those front running douchebags in new england last year. they redefined what it was to be arrogant as an organization from top to bottom.
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by hal41605 on Dec 23, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the intelligent Titans fans don't assume the SB based on the #1 seed, but
the idiotic fans do (which all NFL team have). Anyways, you’re right; Chris Johnson and other guys need to stop worrying about their TD celebration before they acutually SCORE a touchdown. Who started that anyway? T.O.?
by KMR24 on Dec 23, 2008 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
deion sanders
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by hal41605 on Dec 24, 2008 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're wrong on this one BBS.
I find myself agreeing with you most of the time and quite honestly, I feel as if you are on of the posters/mods on SB Nation that has really good analytical skills and can make a good argument based on those skills.
It’s my opinion, however, that you’re wrong on this one.
I’m a big Dungy fan. Always have been. The only fault I find with his way of doing things is that he rests the Colts players for the playoffs. I don’t so much mind him resting our defensive players as we play one of the most simle schemes in all of the NFL. I do, however, feel as if the lack of playing time at the end of the season hurts our offensive side of the ball.
Why? The same reason why our offense struggled early this season…. lack of playing time between #18 and all of his receiving targets in REAL GAME SPEED. For years we have started out hot with undefeated starts and I have always attributed that to our offense being in synch early in the season due to Manning getting to know his guys in the preseason and during preseason games. Our offense, more than any in the NFL..is based on timing…and when those guys are in sync…they are nearly impossible to stop. When they don’t get the practice in…. then they are not the same team. This is also more apparent when we start our playoff games in the Divisional round. I’ll grant you one thing,however, having no pass rush against SD was likely the bigger culprit.
Also, let’s not compare the old Steelers offense that emphasized the running game against our passing offense. Running offenses are simple to run…smashmouth football is not based on timing and needs less practice. Our offense is built on timing.
by Levante on Dec 23, 2008 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with BBS
Like I’ve been saying, resting players this week is not bad and has been done with success before…2004 Colts rested players that last game and then blew out the Broncos 49-24 the following week in the Wild Card Round.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Dec 23, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chi town fan
I think you’re right…… other than the Jets debacle, Dungy and Manning have shown to have the team ready for the Wild Card.
It’s the Divisional round, under the Manning era, where I believe the rest has hurt the most.
I would be interested in finding out if Mora rested our offensive players the last games in ’99 when we lost in the divisional round against Tennessee……. We ran the same offense then.
by Levante on Dec 24, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Levante
Seems like every team in the playoffs is a smashmouth team except for us and whoever wins the AFC West. Unless we get the Broncos, we’ll need to be crisp or we won’t survive long enough to get everything straightened out.
I don’t know…. I was feeling really good about the playoffs, but now that we’ll probably have to go to San Diego, I am way more nervous. And I’ve never been nervous about the Chargers before. Someone talk me off the ledge!
by hoosierdore on Dec 23, 2008 9:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Remember last season
When we lost Freeney in that regular season game against San Diego which left us without a dominant pass rusher in the playoff game against them since he was out and Mathis was hurt, too. This season, we beat them w/o Bobzilla by 3 pts, but we lead by as much as 10. If Bob had played in the game this season, we would had probably sustained that lead, and wouldn’t had needed one of Manning’s awesome game-winning drives. I’m confident that if we have Brackett, Sanders, Freeney and Mathis healthy on defense with Peyton and boys still hot on offense in a playoff game against the Chargers, we have a really good shot at beating them on their home field just like they did to us last playoffs. Hopefully I helped you to climb of the ledge; I even convinced myself with my own remarks that everything’s gonna be alright if we play San Diego lol.
by KMR24 on Dec 23, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Head VS Heart
To me this issue boils down to this. My head knows that it makes perfect sense to make sure dinged up players are as healthy as possible in time for the playoffs.. My heart wants the Colts to beat the Titans unmercifully. I guess that’s why I’m a fan, and not a football coach. But it sure would be satisfying to stomp Tennessee. Maybe Dungee can come up with a way to beat em with the dingers resting up. Would definitely make my weekend.
by tim55 on Dec 23, 2008 11:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
All you have to do is look at history
When the Colts rest, the Colts come out flat and lose. When a team plays hard every game, they win the superbowl (Colt’s ‘06, and Giants ’07). I’m not making this stuff up, that’s just the way it’s been.
by Ayrshire on Dec 24, 2008 8:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No one cares about what the Giants did, they are a completely different team. I suggest you and everyone else who is making a huge deal about this to read the the following article:
http://18to88.com/2008/12/a-preemptive-strike-to-rest-or-not-to-rest.html
by KingRichard on Dec 24, 2008 8:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And..
what about what the Steelers did in ‘05? If you don’t care about what THEY did fine…..but remember that even though there were other concerns heading into those playoffs (the tragic death of Dungy’s son James) we pretty much sat our offense down for three whole weeks before they saw real game speed.
I’ll read the article, but you can’t tell me that our offense doesn’t suffer when they sit down for a couple of weeks and sometimes three weeks. I’ll reiterate again…when your offensive machine is based on timing, and your offense doesn’t see real game speed, it will have problems. There is no substitute for real game speed.
I’ll grant you guys this…. we have shown we can come back in full force after a week of sitting down when we start in the Wild Card (against the Broncos) but it has also been proven that long rest when we start our playoffs in the Divisional round hurts our team…especially our offense.
by Levante on Dec 24, 2008 8:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll read the article, but you can’t tell me that our offense doesn’t suffer when they sit down for a couple of weeks and sometimes three weeks.
I can’t tell you that because I won’t. Three weeks rest is just ridiculous. I have no problem with the Colts playing the first quarter or a half if they’ve already locked up their position in the playoffs and have no room for improvement. I vehemently disagree with any other move.
by KingRichard on Dec 24, 2008 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BBS is completely wrong on this one.
The truth is, resting everyone and not playing to win the game is not only disrespectful to the sport itself, it practically ensures a psychological fall-off.
You can’t truly look back at Steelers examples to counter-argue this. Obviously, resting players does not guarantee failure. If your team is dominant, the lack of motivation will be overcome by better execution on the field. The Colts were never a team of that caliber; let’s be honest, the Steelers were a Dynasty!
I’m making an observation on human nature; for all of Dungy’s successes as a Coach, his opinion on this aspect of coaching is basically idiotic. Unfortunately for him, none of his Colts teams were dominant enough to overcome his boneheaded decision not to make an effort towards the end of the regular season.
Now, playing your starters for 2-3 quarters, gaining a comfortable lead that the team can hang on to allows a coach to play some backups and hopefully give them some game-experience should they be needed in the playoffs.
Not showing up at all (i.e. Sorgi almost all-day long) is basically an affront to people who like to watch football, and I can understand why so many Colts fans are furious at Dungy for taking that approach.
If Fisher plays the Titans Starters for less than half the game this Sunday I’m gonna lose my shit. I’ll be so mad if he makes that move.
by BeansCarter on Dec 26, 2008 11:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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