Time to give Peter King some love
When you can today, stop by King's Monday Morning QB today. I ask you to do this not because King has printed yet another dumb list of potential MVP candidates, but because King has written something that gives us fans a unique insight into the 2008 season, in particular the kind of season Peyton Manning has had to fight through. King's writing offers some wonderful information on how Peyton discovered his knee injury, how he fought back during rehab, and how he helped salvage the Colts' season [emphasis mine].
The story actually starts in Hawaii, at the Pro Bowl last year.
"I started to experience swelling in my knee at the Pro Bowl,'' Manning said. "I had two weeks off after the playoffs ended for us. Did nothing before Hawaii. Went to the beach, went to the Super Bowl, showed up in Hawaii, all of a sudden my knee swelled up like a grapefruit. The Chargers trainers bent over backwards, treating a player that's not even their player. They're supposed to be on vacation, and here they are, driving me all over the place to get an MRI. No big deal, I thought. I played the game, and after the game, the thing is gone, it's dissipated throughout my body. Very strange.
You'll recall that it was us here at Stampede Blue who were some of the first to notice Peyton's swollen knee. When Peyton returned to OTAs last April, the knee got worse. After consulting with numerous doctors, they decided to remove the bursa sac.
You know the rest of the story. Peyton sat out all the training camp and pre-season. What King adds to the story is some rare glimpses shared by Peyton himself. Peyton rarely talks about himself, and does not use excuses for poor play. But, when he describes to King the amount of work it took to get back to playing Peyton Manning football, it makes Peyton's 2008 season all the more amazing:
"I looked down, and my knee looked like a brain after surgery. You know how they show you pictures of a brain in science class? That's what this was -- swollen, ugly. I kind of got my hopes up, but it was disgusting. Mangled, in layers, dimples all over it. It didn't look good at all. My heart just sank. I was nervous and scared. It was so new to me. Some of these guys playing in the NFL have surgery all the time. Not me. The only surgery I'd ever had was for a deviated septum my sophomore year in high school. Here I have one July 14, then another one two weeks later. Uncharted waters for me.''
King's article corroborates much of what we as fans already knew. Peyton was not fully healthy until after the Titans loss. Following that game, Peyton has been the best QB in football and the Colts have won 9 in a row. But it is not those bits of information that make this article excellent. It is the rare insight into Peyton himself. Peyton is so protected, so guarded about how he is perceived that when we hear him talk about football in such a frank manner (outside of boring coach-speak), it is really refreshing. See his comments about the comeback against the Vikings:
"Probably the biggest play of the game, third-and-10 on the 50 [actually third-and-nine at the Minnesota 49], I get Reggie Wayne on a post-route from the slot, ball rushes right past the DB's ear into Reggie. That told me, 'I can still make these throws. If I keep rehabbing, I can make it back. I still have it.' ''
Or, his thoughts on the comeback against the Texans:
"The next week, Houston's got us 27-10 midway through the fourth quarter. It is not looking good. Lotta people thinking, 'Here come the Texans' -- they finished 8-8 the year before, their crowd's fired up, they're inspired to win after Hurricane Ike. But it's your job to play until the final seconds. I throw a touchdown pass to Tom Santi that looks like a stat-padder. Then [Gary] Brackett takes a fumble back for a touchdown.''
King wraps the article up with a quote from Peyton that reflects a shared feeling among Colts fans:
"This has been my most rewarding regular season, because of what we've all been faced with here,'' Manning said. "I've been proud to be on this team. Guys dug deep. I dug deep.''
King's piece is very much intended to influence other MVP voters that Peyton is the 2008 NFL MVP. You all know my take on that: If people need convincing at this point, they are morons and should not be voting in the first place. But, if King's piece can convince a few idiots that they should not make a fool of themselves by voting for someone else, so be it.
Today, Peter King deserves some love for a well written article that gives us some fascinating insight into the best player in the NFL: Peyton Manning. Big tip to Nideak for posting on this first.
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Its sad that Peter King needs to try to help convince others of Peyton’s worth. I’m convinced now more than ever that P finishes 3rd.
Such confidence
I heard Alex Marvez on fox radio this morning say that he voted for Peyton as well. I predict your prediction is dumb.
The Shogun of Harlem
your statement makes no sense
It must be the ‘WE MUST PROTECT DIS HOUSE’ generation we live in.
Such confidence? Who here, other than you, has confidence in the national media?
People like you read something that someone says and instead of trying to be intelligent about it, you just assume it says something that you can get angry about. YOU MUST PROTECT DIS HOUSE. I didn’t say that Peyton shouldn’t win it. I didn’t say he’s not the MVP. I didn’t say that I’m rooting for someone else. I didn’t say I think he should finish 3rd. I said I have no faith in the national media to make the correct choice.
PROTECT DIS HOUSE.
MVP, no doubt
I don’t know what this says about Peter King, but this is probably the most insightful thing he’s written in MMQB in at least three years. Maybe ever.
The part where Peyton describes the unwrapping of his knee for the first time and the realization that things may never be the same is especially moving.
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by River City Rage on Dec 29, 2008 11:16 AM EST reply actions
Peyton will be MVP
and Peter King = Dumbass Rhodes Scholar.
Very very good piece. Alot of insight into Peyton’s mind at the time. No matter what happens Saturday night, I am proud of Peyton and this team and I couldn’t be more proud to be a Colts’ fan.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 29, 2008 12:11 PM EST reply actions
Idiot?
not sure why someone is an “idiot” for thinking Adrian Peterson is MVP. Sure, maybe they’re wrong but Peyton isn’t MVP by a mile. Peterson led the NFL in rushing with defenses pretty much focusing on him thanks to a poor supporting cast.
he also fumbled 9 times and killed tons and tons of drives by being a boom and bust runner.
He was just under 5 YPC yesterday, about his season average. He had one run for 67 yards. He had 20 runs for 36 yards. He caused the Vikings O to stall out, way more than a consistent runner (even with a lower YPC) would have.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 29, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Second
No one with 9 fumbles belongs in the Pro Bowl, let alone the MVP discussion. RB fumbles are like a QB throwing two picks. They absolutely KILL offenses.
Peterson is a great runners, but great runners are useless in the clutch if they can’t hold on to the ball. That is the bottom line.
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And
They still put Chester Taylor in on 3rd down because Peterson can’t block and isn’t a great receiver. In fact, when Taylor started in 2006 and the Vikings were considered a crappy team (6-10) Taylor had 1504 rush/rec yards. Peterson has 1825 total. But they still NEED Taylor for 3rd downs. Adrian Peterson is a situational player by definition. If you go on that train of thought, Devin Hester prior to this year should’ve been MVP. And if you can only manage 10 TDs and have 9 fumbles that means you’re either running for a ton between the 20s but can’t get it in the endzone and/or you’re running all the way down and then fumbling it. So no, he doesn’t factor into the conversation. Michael Turner and Brees (if he had made the playoffs) would.
It’s simple, Minnesota was designed to run. You could get 4-5 RBs in the league that could do close to as well or as well. Maybe less yards more TDs or maybe just better overall. But aside from maybe Brees I don’t think there’s as much of a choice to replace Manning.
I hate..
attacking someone like Adrian Peterson, because I would love him on the Colts, but lets be honest (and I’m merely echoing John Madden’s own words):
Adrian Peterson doesn’t really catch (21 catches for 125 yards) and he doesn’t block. Being a RUNNING BACK is about your team not needing to sub you out on 3rd down, sub you out in obvious passing situations, sub you out in the red zone, etc…
The most important thing the MVPs of the league do DON’T show up in a simple browse of the box score, but most sports writers can’t see beyond rush attempts, yards, pass attempts, touchdowns, etc…
Exactly
The analogy is that Manning only comes in on passing downs and lets Sorgi hand the ball off. Except that receiving and blocking are considered two of the top responsibilities of a great RB. That’s why guys like Portis, Edge, and Hines Ward are considered awesome players even if it’s not reflected in their stats every year. Even though Edge and Portis produced.
That’s one of the biggest problems I had with McClain making the pro bowl as a FB really. I mean seriously, Lorenzo Neal is on that team and the only reason he even had those yards was because of him. Generally people only look at the “wow he’s good” stats but undervalue the overall contribution to their teams. If I see McClain blocking a LB for himself while he’s carrying the ball I’d consider him an awesome fullback. It’d be the same thing as sending Dallas Clark as a FB since that’s what he came in as and wears #44.
Plain and simple, situational players are not MVPs. And I’m not trying to detract from Peterson, he’s a phenom, really he is. Probably one of the best athletes in the league. But if he goes out the year and Taylor comes in I believe Taylor could get 10-12 TDs, 1200-1300 rush yards, 300-400 receiving yards, 3-4 receiving TDs and probably fumble 4 times max. I’d take a +6 to +12 TD to turnover ratio over +1. And simply put Peterson’s fumbles have LOST them games.
And like I said about glossing over stats; Warner has 11 fumbles with 7 lost, Brees has 6 with 1 lost, Cutler has 5 with 2 lost, Rivers has 8 with 4 lost, Manning has 1 with 0 lost, Roethlesberger (seriously, most overrated QB in the league) has 14 with 7 lost. I have absolutely no clue why fumbles aren’t factored into QB rating. Along with YAC. If it’s BEHIND the line of scrimmage it should count against. I mean INTs can be the receivers fault as well but if you can’t hold onto the football that’s on you. YAC probably shouldn’t be counted against a QB but should be mentioned.
Seriously, 17 TDs and 22 turnovers. That’s not a good QB. And I understand Ben isn’t in the conversation, but I’ve seen him mentioned by some writers. It just baffles me. And over 5 years the dude has 2, 2, 5, 9, 14. Okay, I’ll stop my tangent.
I’ve never understood why the media ignores QB fumbles. Maybe I’m only using it this year, but they seem to conveniently forgetting them. Fumbles, to me, are 100% worse than interceptions, unless, of course, there is a large interception returned for a big gain. Interceptions are almost always downfield and could, if you’re an optimist, be ‘really bad punts’ (although I’ve seen some INTs that were better than punts) , but fumbles always give the ball away with decent field position (usually). Also, in my mind, a good QB MUST throw interceptions. Now, I’m only saying must because there is no QB out there. But if a QB is never throwing INTs, he’s playing it too safe. Whereas fumbles are really kind of bad quarterbacking. You’re either holding the ball too high/low, holding on to it too long, etc…
And I agree that Chester Taylor puts up decent numbers on the vikings.
Here’s a stat comparison:
Peterson:
363 attempts 1760 yards 4.8 average 10 touchdowns 4 fumbles lost (9 fumbles total) 21 receptions 39 targets 125 yards 0 TDs (54% catch rate)
Taylor
101 attempts 399 yards 3.99 avg 4 TDs 2 fumbles lost (2 fumbles total)
45 receptions 53 targets 399 yards 2 TDs (85% catch rate)
So in all, Peterson averaged 4.9 yards per touch (but a 53% catch rate is pretty bad)
and Taylor had 5.45 yards per touch with a much better catch rate.
Now, Chester Taylor’s ‘yards per touch’ numbers are inflated by his pass catching ability, but he seems to be a more well-rounded back than Peterson, huh?
hm
INTs are a part of the game and a risk you take when passing. Fumbles are 100% preventable, which is why they’re worse. But I wouldn’t say they’re more damaging. An INT is a turnover every time. Fumbles are 50/50 – fumble recoveries are almost completely random. So in that sense they’re not as bad. But like you say, INTs are more worth it, because you’re netting a lot more yardage even if you lose the ball.
To me, AP is not in consideration because he’s unreliable with the fumbles but also because Taylor’s presence and stats tell me that he’s replaceable. Not 100%, but they’d still be a decent team with Taylor.
when talking about fumbles v ints
I mean turnover fumbles…
And let's not forget.
Minnesota has a very good defense. Indy does not. Indy had no run game. The ONLY thing Indy had, really, was Peyton.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 29, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
and defenses focused on stopping peyton since indy had no run game but he still dominated.
peyton should walk away with the award but sadly humans keep proving they are getting dumber each year so I fully expect him to somehow not win it and make the award and the AP voters completely useless once and for all.
AP had a pretty good year but he isn’t the MVP. That him and most of the other names being thrown around are even mentioned shows just how much the media DOES NOT follow the league.
I commented on Nideak's original post as well, but here again...
What a description of Manning’s private saga during pre-season. I remember posting in the early games my suspicions of his injuries, but would not have imagined what they described. What a testament to his drive and ability. C’mon HORSE… beat the charge-its!
This article
really made me believe again that we’d beat the Chargers. I had some doubt, but this team has been determined all season. It won’t stop now that it matters the most.
Also, my favorite part was Peyton saying how he was dying to get film of training camp while stuck in his dorm room. He is borderline OCD, and I love him for it.
Motivation
I definitely think this is probably one of the most motivated Colts teams in awhile. I think our team finally being healthy and knowing how much Peyton has sacrificed in extra time and pain that they’ll be giving 110%. If anyone needed someone to rally behind and give it their all this is the situation, this is the time, and I’d be very afraid of the Colts. We could go out the first round, but I think everyone will leave it all on the field and that’s the most any fan could ask for from their team.
Are you guys not scared of Pennington at all???
I have a wager on Peyton to win MVP I placed last month. Got 20-1 odds actually since he was completely off the radar. Anyways, according to voters I have read, Pennington is the only one with a chance to steal the award from Manning. Personally, I dont think Chad is in the same league as Peyton as voters are only looking at the team turn around and automatically saying its all Chad which is ridiculous. Should I be scared of him?
The voters
would do anything to keep Peyton from getting the MVP, but I think Pennington will end up getting Comeback Player of the Year, not MVP. The MVP will between Manning and Peterson, yet I believe those fumbles he had during the loss against Atlanta hurt him; but he’ll still get some votes.
I believe it will be
Pennington. Ive said multiple times on here that they won’t give it to Manning. Wish I could get someone to bet with me :P
I truly believe
King’s article may have changed the minds of those idiots who were considering choosing someone else over Peyton. Well I guess we won’t know until Friday…
KMR I hope you are right but the article was posted this morning and the votes were due at noon. Most voters had their votes in already by then.
The article was posted around 8 AM so I guess there could of been a little time for someone to change their mind. Whatever the case I dont care if others such as AP or Turner get votes because they have ZERO chance to win. It’s Chad as the only one with a chance.
But was Pennington really the most valuable player of the league this year?
Like a lot people said, he’s definitely the comeback player of the year; but MVP, no. They ran the friggin’ wildcat offense, it’s was fun to watch and keep opposing teams on their heals, but Pennington wasn’t even the most valuable part to that offense, Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown were. But we all know a lot of those writers will remember Pennington going back to his old team, the same team the cut him in order to get the Great Brett Favre, and beat them in their own house. Still that game against the Chargers really helped to get Peyton’s name in the discussion, but the Thursday night Jax really was the icing on the cake for Manning when it came to the MVP.
I could not agree more man. Peyton has single handedly carried the Colts to victory. Pennington is not asked to do that. He is playing with a MUCH better O-line, running game, and defense. In my eyes, Peyton deserves the award a MILLION times more then Chad does, it isnt even close. I just really hope voters see it that way. Yes the Dolphins made a great turnaround, but it wasn’t just because of Chad.
Exactly
Chad wasn’t the reason for the turnaround; Parcells and Sparano also played a HUGE role in the turnaround of that team. Heck, Kerry Collins’ role was bigger than Pennington’s.
And another, I’m not a guy, I’m girl. But it’s cool, you had no way of knowing that lol.
Different Take
I heard this on the local sports radio today, and I tend to agree.
Why is Peter King getting this story instead of Mike Chappell, Phil B, or even Bob Kravitz? Mike and Phil were probably at the Colts complex every single day this summer and season asking about the second surgery, and the Colts decide to let Peter King tell what really happened? The Colts administration completely stonewalled the local media on this for months, and then SI’s Peter King, who probably never sat through a ambiguous Bill Polian press conference, gets the story. I’m rather disappointed in the front office on this one.
thats the MO for the Colts.
Email Kravitz or Phil B about this, they’ll be more than happy to tell you: The national media continues to break ‘inside information stories’ about the Colts while the Indy Star reporters are fed completely different stories about the same situation.
one national writer said..
he voted for Matt Ryan…
heard it on ESPN, forget which pod cast...
was mike lombardi saying it.
Just thought of this, the reason it will irk me if Pennington wins..
What do the Patriots, Colts, sometimes the Cowboys and Bengals and maybe the Eagles have in common? Franchise MVP type QBs. Would any of those teams, when their QB is healthy, remove the QB from under center and put their RB there? The Dolphins felt their best chance to win games this year involved Chad Pennington NOT taking snaps. DUDE, THATS IMPORTANCE.
Further, would Dungy or Belichick ever subject their MVPs to being jammed at the line by physical DBs that would love nothing more than to beat them up?
THe more I think about the Pennington angle of the vote, the more I think its poppycock.
If the Colts ever do a wildcat play
I would kick Peyton in his left knee for going alone with that play…………………………………………….j/k
(I know that won’t happen because there’s no way on Earth would Peyton allow Tom Moore to come up with a wildcat play. Anyway something so stupid wouldn’t come aross Tom Moore’s mind in the first place.) Personally, I find the wildcat pretty lame; you have to come up with some sort of ridiculous scheme in order to move the chains?
Yeah.
I don’t see Peyton blocking…um, no.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 30, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
i don't mind the wild cat
The point of coaching is to come up with a scheme that best fits the players you have. Young, small, fast, inexperienced defenders? Play a zone cover two style. In Miami, they have atheletic players, better run blockers than pass blockers, their big play receiver is more atheletic than polished, and they have 2 running backs and three tight ends that would make most teams rosters in some capacity.
Personally, I think its a brilliant way of playing. I mean, how many coaches do you see in the NFL trying to fit square pegs into round holes? Brian Westbrook, be a power back!!! Jason David, go play man! Vince Young, be a quarterback! Mike Vanderjagt, don’t hit anyone in the head with this kick! The dolpins are really, in my mind, the one true ‘coaching matters’ example you’ll be able to point to forever, because they looked at what they had, realized that just pennington to Ginn wasn’t going to work, and molded an offense that would work for what they had.
That said, it was dumb. The Dolphins are playing way over their heads, in my opinion. I’m not saying they suck or stink or are a fluke, but I’m confident in saying that next year they’ll regress towards the pack. They will be 7-9 or 8-8 ish next year, which, if they had been 3-13, 4-12, 5-11 this year would be seen as a major step in the right direction… from 1-15 to 8-8 in 2 years? Awesome! But now they will have set the bar too high and missed out on a top 15 draft choice, which will, imo, hurt their ability to plug obvious holes. They still need another WR, imo. Davone Bess and Greg Camirillo are basically the same guy. Either one would make a Welker/Stokley possession type receiver. I’m still not sold on Ginn as a #1 WR threat. They still need more help on the O-line. They need lots of help in the secondary, and they may need to get younger on the O-line, but, I must confess, I haven’t memorized their roster, so perhaps they already have. Their front 7 should be good, but their pass defense is real bad.
You clearly have the blocks in place to have something, I just think that their win totals are overflated from
1) Teams being unprepared to defend the wild cat
2) the easy schedule all AFC East teams had this year.
They also might want to invest in another QB, I don’t know how much they like Beck or Henne.
Actual voters....
Guys I just found three articles from guys who have one of the 50 AP votes and they all voted for Peyton. These 3 in addition to the Peter King article make 4. If you guys find any articles from an official voter saying who they voted for, please share it with the rest of us. Thanks guys.
http://www.star-telegram.com/329/story/1116047.html
http://www.eagletribune.com/pusports/local_story_365004041.html?keyword=topstory
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8992786/Hard-to-pick-between-Manning-and-Peterson-for-MVP
ESPN analyst
I just got through watching a little ESPN. Kordell Stewart and some other jackass were again saying that Adrian Fumbleson should be the MVP. The host said….‘Even over Peyton’. They both said ‘yes’. I really wonder what brand of glue they’re sniffin’? How could a major sports network even hire someone who would say something that stupid?
Trying to keep this in perspective.
I will be upset if Peyton doesn’t win the MVP because he DESERVES it.
However, I was trying to come up with the last person to win the League MVP who went to and won the SuperBowl. Anyone? I know it wasn’t Brady last year, LT the year before or Peyton the other two times he won.
Just curious.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 30, 2008 11:32 AM EST reply actions
Hm.
Few and far between, then.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 30, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly why
I’m sticking with my original post – let someone else have MVP… I’m holding out for SB MVP…. but of course will be psyched if he does get regular season MVP, too :-)

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