After watching this, I now know where Peter King got his source material for his MMQB write-up. It was this interview between Peyton Manning and ESPN's Tom Jackson. It is one of the more candid interviews I've ever seen Peyton give.
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is it just me or does the video keep ending early??
by Nideak on
Dec 30, 2008 7:27 PM EST
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What I love about this interview
is how Peyton seems like one of us. He doesn’t just give the rehearsed, stereotyped answer; he actually says what we Colts fans have been saying to ourselves and on this site.
A perfect example is when he talks about being 3-4, and says it wasn’t just being 3-4, but being 3-4 with games against the Patriots and the Steelers coming up that worried him. That was my concern at the time too. I think I wrote something in a post to the effect of “it’s not over but we’d better start winning in a hurry.” This interview shows that the team was thinking the same thing.
This is much better than the typical “well we take it one game at a time and if we do what we can do then we will be fine” drivel that characterizes most interviews.
by ctnyc on
Dec 30, 2008 7:29 PM EST
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Inspiration
If anyone doubts the commitment and/or devotion of Peyton and this team after hearing this needs to step back and watch what this team does this Saturday night against a team many fear the Colts will have trouble with.
by Ufanforreal on
Dec 30, 2008 7:36 PM EST
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I loved the part
where Tom asked him about Tampa, and Peyton admitted they he did think about it. Most would say, “No, I don’t think about it. We’re taking it one game at a time.” crap. But Peyton said, “Yeah, first, the Super Bowl then the weather!” It was great! Also, he admitted that he’s watching the Giants, and hope that the both make it to the Super Bowl. Now that’ll be some good sibling rivalry!!!
by KMR24 on
Dec 30, 2008 7:50 PM EST
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Question I Have
The question that I’ve got is.. did Peter King pretty much pass off the interview as his? I read it yesterday and thought he had done the interview. Guess this makes PK the douche that we all thought he was!!
by BleedCubs&ColtsBlue on
Dec 30, 2008 8:01 PM EST
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Peter King = Douche
I thought the same thing. I assume the interview was between Manning and King, but watching this interview I was thinking that everything Peyton is saying in this interview is exactly what PK wrote. Weird. That loser could’ve least mention that it was a ESPN interview with Tom Jackson.
by KMR24 on
Dec 30, 2008 8:10 PM EST
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Agreed
Yeah you have to wonder what TJ is thinking, why is Peter King writing the exact same things that Peyton told me a week ago. I mean even exact quotes that Peter uses, Peyton says the exact same thing in this video. I’m sure PK won’t bother to acknowledge this!
by BleedCubs&ColtsBlue on
Dec 30, 2008 8:14 PM EST
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this is what we call...
plagiarism. as an english prof at a prominent big ten institution, i will tell you that the proximity of king’s interview “quotes” from manning and the actual, unscripted answers manning gives espn constitutes something worth investigating. give that peter king has never had a valuable interview or original idea in his life, this smacks of plagiarism. one would have to think that king had access to this interview or had seen it prior to scripting his column. for one, the quotes and infromation king passed off as his interview is far too good to be simply internet column material; this is front page SI stuff (which is why it is such a prominent story on ESPN). second, king’s quotes are almost word-for-word what manning tells jackson in the interview. this is highly suspicious. just in case anyone was wondering if king gave credit to espn, the answer is no. look at this from his mmqb tuesday edition:
• THANK YOU. From Dennis Hartmann, of Dallas: "Great story on Peyton Manning’s knee. Probably one of your best pieces that you have written. It tells an extremely interesting story of just how bad that knee really was. Thank you for the insight.’’
Appreciate that. The thought occurred to me when Manning was telling me his story that of all the very good players in the NFL who had good seasons in the NFL, Manning must have overcome the most to do so.
peter king=fraud. this is bullshit and si needs to do some investigating.
by tenyardfight on
Dec 30, 2008 9:44 PM EST
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fraud?
So the TJ interview was first? What was the date?
by durok on
Dec 30, 2008 10:45 PM EST
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I have no idea
Maybe Peyton did multiple interviews and both PK and TJ asked the same question about Peyton’s summer surgeries and he responded the same to both, or maybe PK is really douche and plagiarized his article.
by KMR24 on
Dec 30, 2008 10:58 PM EST
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I think PK even said something about this being a candid and first time interview on the subject. Now, if peyton gave PK and interview a few days later based around the same material (like he knew he would be asked about the pre-season) He could have rehearsed these answers and could have given the same type of quotes without thinking about it. BUT, King should have known that Peyton gave multiple interviews on the subject.
That, or Peter King is a fat f*cking liar
by danorocks17 on
Dec 30, 2008 10:05 PM EST
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Ah! Here we go
“The story of Manning’s 11th season is a good story, one he hasn’t told this season to anyone else in my business — to the best of my knowledge.”
So his knowledge is pretty terrible……DOUCHE!
by danorocks17 on
Dec 30, 2008 10:09 PM EST
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Peyton rehersed all this
Sorry to disappoint all of you, but it’s pretty clear that Manning is just repeating the same story verbatim that he gave to PK. King had it first. This is all rehearsed and carefully crafted. If ESPN had had this before today, they would have run it before today. The Colts had a big media day and players were more available than normal because of the playoffs. TJ probably just asked Peyton to say the stuff that was in PKs article.
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by deshawn zombie on
Dec 30, 2008 11:43 PM EST
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Thinks about it...
Peter King…respected journalist and industry leader and author of a piece that everyone reads on Monday morning (the day the MVP Vote was taken)
Tom Jackson…ex-linebacker.
Which do you think scored the big interview?
Peyton is just repeating himself verbatim. Every word of this was careful crafted and cleared by the Colts.
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by deshawn zombie on
Dec 30, 2008 11:55 PM EST
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But
it’s more fun to call Peter King a fuckin’ douchebag who runs over puppies in his Escalade.
by Colts Homer on
Dec 31, 2008 12:26 AM EST
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The TJ interview was done before the season finale
In the video Peyton says something like we’ve won 8 in a row… he doesn’t know that they’ve won 9 in a row because they haven’t beaten the Titans yet. I’m guessing it was done sometime last week prior to the Titans game.
Now it’s possible Peyton is giving word for word answers the exact same in both, but I find it funny that the questions are exactly the same etc. Plus I like thinking that PK would in fact plagerize and that he’s a big of a douche as we all think!!
by BleedCubs&ColtsBlue on
Dec 31, 2008 8:32 AM EST
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Makes me sit back an marvel...
at the Colts as a team and as people. Peyton is as genuine a guy as can be and what a rewarding opportunity it must be to play alongside him and under a coach like Dungy. And I would do anything for a Colts and Giants Superbowl.
by dnyyanks62 on
Dec 30, 2008 8:14 PM EST
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Peter King has some explaining to do...
Here is how King prefaced the ‘interview’ with Manning:
“The story of Manning’s 11th season is a good story, one he hasn’t told this season to anyone else in my business — to the best of my knowledge. As usually happens with Manning, the conversation was going to be 10 or 20 minutes, and then one thing led to another, and by the end, I had enough stuff for a couple of chapters of a book.”
Now, if those two lines don’t make someone think that Peter King actually, ya’ know, had a one-on-one, face-to-face interview with Manning, nothing could. He basically said it without actually saying it. Yet, on second thought, the fact that King never explicitly said that he interviewed Manning should make us question his legitimacy.
Take a look at some of the quotes that King uses. Not only are they obviously lifted from the Peyton-TJ interview, but King himself never poses any questions to Peyton. Rather, he interrupts Peyton’s ‘answers’ at various points with his own thoughts (which are, in reality, remarkably similar to TJ’s actual questions), and then continues the ‘interview.’
Someone needs to figure out when the TJ interview actually took place, if King was ever at the interview, and what the hell is going on inside Peter King’s shady head.
by superchimp on
Dec 30, 2008 11:36 PM EST
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More info...
The King article was published on Monday, 12/29. The TJ interview came online today, 12/30…
Published: 12/30/08 Duration: 10:22 Continuous Playback
Description: Peyton Manning talks about his struggles coming back from knee surgery, the Colts run to get to the playoffs and the possibility of playing Eli Manning in the Super Bowl
by superchimp on
Dec 30, 2008 11:41 PM EST
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Okay, guys, seriously
I’m not a Peter King lover, but he clearly didn’t steal this story.
First, some ‘circumstantial’ reasoning: Peter King, like him or not, has been around forever. You don’t stay around that long, become as popular and as published as he is by plagiarizing. He doesn’t write for some well hidden, seldom viewed website that is only visited by closet football fans in kazakstan, its out there for everyone to see. No matter how dumb he his, he has enough common sense to not do that.
Second, there are things in the PK article that aren’t in the TJ interview. The involvement of the Chargers’ trainers, for instance. Stuff about the Pro Bowl, etc..
Finally, and please, if you’ve read my posts, you know I love Peyton, I’m not a hater, I didn’t drink my hateraid, etc… Ever since the “We had protection problems” incident, Peyton is a different media beast. If you’ve read one interview, you’ve read the same one 6 times on all of the media outlets. He IS rehearsed to a degree now. I’m not saying he’s phony or fake or canned, but if you don’t believe to some extent that Peyton has gone to great lengths to know what he’s saying before he says it in order to prevent more media backlash from a misconstrued comment in the heat of the moment, you’re naive.
Also, let me say this: I want Peyton to win the MVP, not because he’s Peyton Manning and I cheer for the Colts, but because he deserves it, but this whole sequence of events seems aimed at doing two things: Once again preventing the Indystar from being able to do their jobs by blocking them at every turn and then making them look like fools by handing the story to every major media outlet around… and two, self-serving in that it was a last second MVP push. Now, you might not like Bob Kravitz, but Mike Chappell and Phil B. (Especially Phil, imo) are two good guys that seem to go above and beyond to try to bring Colts fans a little more. I don’t like that they are sorta slapped around like bitches just because the Colts (is this a Bill Polian thing?) like to toy with the local media.
by Nideak on
Dec 31, 2008 7:45 AM EST
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agreed - this is exactly what i was about to write
As well as Peyton prepares for the games, he does just as much in preparing for everything else. So you have to think that he could give the same interview 25 times and use the same wording every time.
And this most definitely appears to be an MVP push which is a little cheesy but a good idea. I’m sure this kind of stuff happens all the time without the public knowing. An MVP push that also allows to see/read a great interview with our favorite player? Not gonna complain.
As for giving the shaft to the IndyStar, I had this exact conversation with my brother yesterday. If Peyton is indeed going for an MVP push, what’s the best way to do that? Give “exclusive” interviews to the two major sports media outlets: SI and ESPN (If he wanted to do a third, who do you think it would be? Maybe Deadspin? I kid, I kid). So maybe he has it in for the locals but more realistically he probably just wanted to go to the two big guns. He also had to go to both to keep them happy, I would think.
All in all, not plagiarism. Just a simple MVP push (that should work)
by psvirsky on
Dec 31, 2008 9:33 AM EST
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I'm not insinuating Peyton has it in for the local media
but if you believe what Chappell and Phil B. say, then the Colts’ as an organization definitely go out of their way to give one version of events to the locals and then the major scoop version of events to the outlets.
by Nideak on
Dec 31, 2008 10:31 AM EST
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A different media beast
If valid, that’s quite an observation about Peyton tightening up his media discipline after selling out the O-line. People drinking the hateraid have brought that up in more than a few places to make Manning out to be a prima donna on the level of Favre (more than just the KSK piece, if I remember). So do you think he’s showing more discipline because a publicist got to him to let him know he was hurting his MVP shot, or because the quarterback realized he wasn’t doing much for team chemistry by laying the blame on a bunch of rookies looking to him for leadership?
by CooperManningsNotTrying on
Dec 31, 2008 11:42 AM EST
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well, uhm..
I don’t know how to answer that, because I don’t believe Manning was trying to sell out his O-line. That was my point. I don’t know Peyton Manning, I have no clue how he works. Maybe he’s the most selfish, self-centered person out there. From my point of view, however, what he said about the O-line was a comment that he said in the heat of the moment that didn’t come out the right way, and since Manning is OCD, he reads/watches what people say, and he took a beating over those comments. I think he realized that being out there and answering questions honestly without being able to think them through didn’t help his team and could only hurt it. I don’t believe he’s schooled or whatever, I believe he’s calcuated.
As a matter of fact, after re-reading your post, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. The O-line quote I’m referring to is the one from 2005 after the Pittsburgh playoff loss. If you’re just here to troll, I don’t feel like getting involved in that. If there was just a misunderstanding, the “We had some protection problems today” is the quote I’m referring to.
by Nideak on
Dec 31, 2008 1:39 PM EST
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Not trolling, just a misunderstanding
I thought the “protection problems” thing was something that happened earlier this year. My mistake. Makes me wonder what I was reading about on the other sites. Is what he said in 2005 the only thing people are referring to when they claim he puts blame on the O-line? I thought there was more than a single example. In that case, what a bunch of douches the haters are.
by CooperManningsNotTrying on
Jan 1, 2009 12:56 PM EST
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