In case you thought the rivalry between the Colts and Patriots was watered down this year...
by BigBlueShoe on Dec 4, 2008 10:11 PM EST
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Yes, I know the Bengals are the Colts opponent this week. And no, I am not dismissing them. I just came across this article from Yahoo, and it re-affirmed pretty much what I already knew: The Colts and Patriots still absolutely hate each other.
Keep your Cowboys v. Giants. You can shelve your Chiefs v. Raiders. Tell Steelers and Browns fans to take a back seat, because THE greatest rivalry in the NFL (and all of professional sports) is still Patriots v. Colts.
You'd think that this year, with the loss of Tom Brady and the injury to Peyton Manning, that the friction between Patriots and Colts players and coahces would simmer down. Um, no. They still f&@king can't stand the sight of the other:
And with all due respect to the Jets, the feelings of bitterness run deepest for the Colts, who have found a myriad of reasons to loathe the Patriots coach. From the postseason history to Spygate to his annually frigid handshakes with Colts coach Tony Dungy, it’s a recycled hatred that has reached self-sustaining proportions.This year’s moment didn’t get a lot of media attention, but it irked the Colts just the same. It took place when, during the run-up to the Nov. 2 game at Indianapolis, Belichick seemed to make a subtle hint that the Colts weren’t being honest with their injury report.
It seems ole Billy Boy took a subtle dig at how the Colts listed Peyton Manning on the injury report leading up to Indy's game over New England, which Indy won (of course). Colts players found Bill's dig on Tony Dungy's injury reports amusing, especially Dwight Freeney:
"Coming from Bill Belichick, that’s frickin’ hilarious," Colts defensive end Dwight Freeney said. "Tony’s not going to do that. He’s not that type. That’s the type of stuff Bill does. That’s just the type of mentality Bill has and they have as a team. Every week last season, frickin’ Tom Brady was on the damn injury report with an ankle or whatever, and he was playing every week. That’s just the kind of stuff they do. So don’t come out and try to act like we’re doing something with our report."
Ah yes, count on Dwight to let Bill and the Pats know how he truly feels. Look, it is pretty well known that most of the NFL dislikes Bill Belichick. He is a known cheater and often tries to skirt rules in order to gain a competitive advantage. It is a win at all costs attitude, rules and integrity be damned. Some admire this mentality. Most loath it. And when Tony Dungy, a man who is viewed as an out-and-out saint both within and outside the NFL, gives you an icy handshake, it pretty much means you are the lowest form of life on the planet. Slugs make fun of you. Such is Bill Belichick.
But, that said, this season might be the best coaching job both Belichick and Dungy have ever done. Both have dealt with devastating injuries. Yet, do you really think a team like the Tennessee Titans are "better" than a Bil Belichick coached Patriots team? Seriously, would anyone here be surprised if the Pats and Matt Cassel walked into Nashville and plastered the Titans for a big, fat "L" in the playoffs? I know I wouldn't.
This latest tiff is yet another log on the fire for this burning, seething rivalry; a rivalry that the NFL very much needs to stoke. If I'm wearing my Colts hat in NY and a transplanted Pats fan crosses my path, more often than not we give each other "the look." This look is one that says, "My team just kicked your team's ass... and I banged your sister last night, chump. How you like them apples?"
Fortunately, we have a great blog rival in Pats Pulpit who provides us with the necessary foil we Colts fans need. The Pats v. Colts rivalry is still alive and well, and now it is more Belichick v. Dungy than Brady v. Manning.
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Thats a hilarious pic… Tony’s face is priceless, that should be a ‘caption this’.
by Nideak on Dec 4, 2008 10:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I object!
Why do you want to pain me with a picture of belichick at the top of my Stampede Blue screen?
by LovinBlue on Dec 4, 2008 10:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i would much rather go to
nashville to beat the tits than go to boston or pitt in the playoffs
by zkmavz on Dec 5, 2008 12:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Be careful what you wish for...
But, that said, this season might be the best coaching job both Belichick and Dungy have ever done. Both have dealt with devastating injuries. Yet, do you really think a team like the Tennessee Titans are “better” than a Bil Belichick coached Patriots team? Seriously, would anyone here be surprised if the Pats and Matt Cassel walked into Nashville and plastered the Titans for a big, fat “L” in the playoffs? I know I wouldn’t.
We’d much rather beat the Colts in the playoffs, but maybe we’ll have the chance to beat both of you. You can come into Nashville, but you’ll lose, just like you did in October.
Tony Dungy’s playoff history is nothing to write home about. You guys plan on laying another egg like last year? I’m just worried that your team won’t make it far enough so that we have the pleasure of knocking you out of the playoffs ourselves. By the way; looking forward to celebrating our clinching of the AFC South on Sunday. Feel free to join us at MCM for the celebration.
by BeansCarter on Dec 5, 2008 12:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
guess you forgot
that the Colts didnt choke. They simply had no pass rush which was evident since week 10 of last season. Go ahead, say “the Colts choke. They laid an egg like every year.” In the end you always leave out the facts.
Prior to ’05, the Colt defense didnt exist. Last year, there was no pass rush. Mathis and Brock were banged up, Freeney was gone, and the depth behind those three players had no ability to get to the passer. What your going to mention that the Chargers played with Billy Volek and Micheal Turner? Well Turner has already proven he is an established runner and any QB will look good when they are afforded the kind of time the Colts D gave him. So in the end, the Colts didnt lay and egg.
Speaking of laying eggs, if you still consider that loss to the chargers game an egg after my argument, then at least we dont lay eggs in the superbowl, like one 1999 Tennessee Titans team did.
You better be careful what you wish for, because if we do see the Titans in the post seeason, I would not be the least surprised to see Peyton and Co. go to the AFC Title game with the Titans watching from the comfort of LP Field.
by metal_militia on Dec 5, 2008 12:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a lot of excuses...
Polian should have built a deeper team, or maybe it was the coaching, I don’t know, but the Pats were able to win all those Superbowls, how come the Colts were only able to do it once? I mean, with that personnel, QB, and Coach, that must feel like shit.
And yes, the Colts won a SuperBowl. But you know deep down inside that even that one ring is not enough to wipe away all that January disappointment. As a fan, it’s tough pill to swallow when the team is talented enough to win 4 rings, but you only catch the boat once. Sad…
As for your blind arrogance, we’ve shown all year long that we’re the better team. See you week 17.
by BeansCarter on Dec 5, 2008 8:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually one ring is enough
let me know when you guys have one…
by zkmavz on Dec 5, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that one ring feels pretty damned good
Maybe you guys will be able to experience that feeling someday. You know, after Peyton retires.
by ctnyc on Dec 5, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
again the Colt defense was never talented enough until recently. Nice try though.
by metal_militia on Dec 5, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
laying eggs
as an outside observer (not Titans/Colts fan) correct me if i’m wrong on this…
Titans (a Wild Card team) lost to MVP Kurt Warner and one of the greatest offenses statistically of the past decade in a Super Bowl that came down to the last play of the game.
Colts (an 10.5 point favorite) lost at home to a Chargers team that engineered a game-winning drive without their three top offensive players (Rivers, LT, Gates).
i’m not trying to throw stones, but there’s no way that the 1999 Super Bowl was a “bigger egg” than last year’s Divisional game in Indy. The Titans weren’t even supposed to come close to the Rams in that game.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 5, 2008 8:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the love of Christ
First off, let’s stop using the whole “playoff seeding” thing as a way to demean other teams. Last year, the Wild Card Giants rolled through the NFC, beating the #1 and #2 seeded teams. The year before that, the #3 seeded Colts beat the #2 and #4 seeded teams. In 1999, the Titans were the #4 seeded team in the AFC.
They had a 13-3 record that year!
The reason they were seeded #5 was because the Jaguars (in the then-AFC Central with them) were 15-1 and won their division, and only division winners could get the top 3 seeds. The Titans had an outstanding team that year, and it was no surprise they got as far as they did. And following that run, it has been nothing but playoff disappointment since for Tennessee. Jeff Fisher’s record in the post-season is not very good, but unlike morons Titans fans who think that Tony Dungy’s playoff record stinks, I don’t hold Fisher’s record against him (even though it pales in comparison to Dungy’s).
I say this every year: Seedings in the playoffs mean nothing. If you are wanting to go to the Super Bowl, chances are you will have to win a road game in the playoffs. Indy losing to SD last year certainly was no “choke job.” The Chargers had an excellent team last year, and had they started Billy Volek over Philip Rivers, they might have beaten the Pats. The Colts had lost both Freeney and Mathis, and Marvin Harrison was hurt. If Titans fans want perspective, try and win a playoff game with Haynesworth, Vanden Bosh, and CJ out. Good luck with that, chumps.
And yes BeansCarter, sorry to disappoint you, but a Super Bowl win does wipe away all past disappointment. If your team had one, you’d know that. Since they don’t, you can kindly sit down.
One more thing, if Titans fans want to come in here and talk about playoff disappointment, be prepared to get your asses handed to you. From 2004-2006, YOUR TEAM WAS NO WHERE NEAR THE PLAYOFFS. And in 2000, the then-#1 seeded Titans got their asses handed to them, AT HOME, to the #4 seeded Baltimore Ravens. You want to talk “choke job” in the playoffs, look no further than that game. Your team lost 13-4. They scored 4 friggin points at home! And you have the balls to come here and talk smack about playoffs? PLAYOFFS! Here are your balls back.
Please Titans fans, come back and talk smack when you actually have a leg to stand on. Lecturing us on playoff success is laughable. Utterly and completely laughable.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 5, 2008 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Titans lost 24-10 at home. 10 friggin points at home. #1 seed.
Choke.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 5, 2008 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again, from the foremost experts in choke technology
by hal41605 on Dec 5, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha ha ha
good one.
\sarcasm in reference to “the pot calling the kettle black” ideology
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 5, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Titans' probably don't have their run if they were matched up against another team
I lived in Jacksonville at that time, and the Jaguars just did not match up well with the Titans. The Jags were 14-2 that regular season (tiny correction) and then lost in the playoffs to the Titans. ALL 3 LOSSES came to the Titans that year. How crazy is that? It was just a matchups thing, and if they call the forward pass what it was, they don’t beat the Bills, the Jags go to the super bowl, tom coughlin never becomes head coach of the giants, the patriots go 19-0, world war 3 begins, and life as we know it is never the same.
by Nideak on Dec 5, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a bunch of university geeks mapped it on computer
not a forward pass. perfectly lateral was their conclusion
by hal41605 on Dec 5, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
university of tennessee geeks, im sure.
by Nideak on Dec 5, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, definitely better geeks than that
mit or caltech maybe, it was on sportscenter, but it has been pulled off of youtube. im still looking for it.
by hal41605 on Dec 5, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
srsly
Beans needs to shut his goddamn mouth, but I guess it is kind of funny to see him make a fool out of himself.
The King of Anti-Fail and Unofficial Moderator of Stupid People
by KingRichard on Dec 5, 2008 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree with the SB comment
You win a Super Bowl and all past disappointments are washed away.
And really, the Colts had good teams in ‘03 and ’04, and everyone here surely was hopeful for them to win the SB, but that defense wasn’t very good.
2005 was the majorly disappointing year (granted ‘03 and ’04 were disappointing, undoubtedly, but those Colts teams weren’t the juggernaut all season like ‘05) but the Colts were able to follow-up that massive disappointment with a SB win, and that made it all better.
2007 started off looking as if it could be another SB year, but without Freeney and Marvin it just wasn’t enough. Disappointing, yes, but unbelievable? Nah.
And here they are today, hopefully a #5 wildcard seed with another shot at the big dance. GO COLTS!
by yellowsnow on Dec 5, 2008 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't Dungy and Fisher both .500 in the playoffs?
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 5, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Tony Dungy have a Super Bowl ring?
So, why compare his record to Fishers?
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 5, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You did.
“(even though it pales in comparison to Dungy’s).”
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 5, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that ring
is where the"pale-ing" begins (is that even a word?! lol)
:)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 5, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Paling?
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 5, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds good.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 5, 2008 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We HAVE to stop agreeing on stuff peytonsthebest, it's getting scary.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 5, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
I can trash talk VY if it would make you more comfortable…?? heh heh heh.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 5, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be more like it!
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 5, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
VY sux!!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 5, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
v. paled, pal·ing, pales
v. tr.
To cause to turn pale.
v. intr.
To become pale; blanch: paled with fright.
To decrease in relative importance.
That’s it. I love dictionary.com.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 5, 2008 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Colts were 9 point favorites at home against the Chargers and lost in the playoffs last year.
Let’s just say that Indy losing to SD last year was unfortunate. (I’m having a hard time breathing just thinking about it). But I wouldn’t blame the players. I would blame your genius coach for “resting” everyone at the end of the season and killing all their momentum and rendering them complacent going into January. By the way, how has that Dungy strategy of resting players at the end of the year worked out for ya so far? In case you don’t know, I’ll tell you – every time Dungy has pulled that move the Colts have had their asses handed to them early in the playoffs. Dungy’s playoff record is .500. He may have outshined Marty Schottenheimer and Wade Phillips, but not Jeff Fisher.
And just to correct you on your factual error, in 2006 we finished 8-8, and had we won in week 17 we would have been in the playoffs.
“NO WHERE NEAR THE PLAYOFFS”
is incorrect.
And yes, in the 2000 season playoffs, we lost 24-10 to the Ravens, not 13-4 (correction below noted). The score was 10-10 in the 4th quarter and they got a couple of turnovers that they capitalized on. Disappointing, yes, but they were the eventual SB champions, and potentially the best Defense in the history of Football. We lost to a better team than the Titans. But the Colts were a better team than the Chargers last year, they just couldn’t get it done.
And no matter what you say about how having that ring erases past disappointment, I know that last year, when you lost at home as 9-point favorites against the Chargers, you didn’t think to yourself “Aw shucks that’s no big deal, at least we won the big show last year.” One thing your 2006 SB ring will never do is erase future disappointment.
And I don’t care about seeding. We’re not better than the Colts because of seeding; but because we’ve defeated every single common opponent that you’ve lost to, beat you handily in October, and we lead you in all of the following categories…
a) Total Yards per game
b) Offensive Points per game
c) Total Rushing Yards
d) Defensive Points per Game
e) Defensive Yards per Game
f) Passing Defense
g) Rushing Defense
h) Point Differential
And though you may have had the 2nd toughest strength of schedule in the NFL, we’ve had the 4th hardest, so it’s not like we play the Lions every week.
We’re just a better team than you this year, in virtually every single dimension fathomable. The fact that you think you’ll walk into LP Field and beat us in January is not only laughable, but pathetic and altogether deluded.
by BeansCarter on Dec 5, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Titans
are as complacent as you thinking that the Colts walking into LP Field and beating them is laughable, pathetic and deluded. Gives us an advantage IMHO.
by LovinBlue on Dec 5, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, just wow
your using that stupid, well if team a beat team B and team B beat Team C, that means Team A is better than Team C.
Seriously, that is probably the dumbest argument you can aver make to claim the Titans are better. Not only that, but you think The Colts beating the Titans in the Playoffs or, hell, the regular season is laughable and pathetic? guess you have been under a rock the last decade or so. Seriously, I wonder how many Patriot fans have said the same thing about the Giants during the superbowl. :“we are undefeated, to think that the giants can just beat us is laughable and pathetic.”
by metal_militia on Dec 5, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wonder why someone would compare
“We are undefeated, so we think we are better than the Giants” to
“We beat the Colts, so we think we are better than the Colts”
Great comparison!
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 5, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didnt read that part
but seriously, the common opponents part is real dumb
by metal_militia on Dec 5, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and as ive stated
its not laughable to think that the Colts can beat the Titans. If you think so, your in the same catagory as beans
by metal_militia on Dec 5, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and another thing
The Pats did beat the Giants in the regular season, so Im not idiot for thinking the Colts can beat the Titans. The Colts may not be better than the TItans at this point, but it isnt pathetic of me to think the Colts will beat em.
by metal_militia on Dec 5, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking that you can potentially beat us
is one thing. Thinking that you’d like to play us because we are the least threatening opponent on the playoff menu ignores the fact that we’ve outplayed you this year, and beat you Head-to-Head. Demoting us to a level beneath the Matt Cassell 2008 Patriots simpy ignores the reality of this season.
Seriously, not being able to score an offensive touchdown against the Browns should have you worried that maybe you’re not as amazing as your little 5-game win streak makes you think you are.
by BeansCarter on Dec 5, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is more fair
Another perspective on the playoffs (assuming the Colts make it): the Pats have been hot and cold, but I’d almost rather have to play a consistently good Titans team whose offensive and defensive schemes seem to be more consistent / stable / known than a mercurial Patriots team whose performance you have no way to predict. It’s also interesting to wonder whether they will get a good boost by the recent additions of Colvin and Seau – I for one don’t want to find out. I’m happy to have them watch the playoffs from their Barcaloungers..
I also agree that we should be worried after last week’s game. “Bad day at the office” notwithstanding, our guys made mistakes and just didn’t get it done on offense. Period. No excuses.
All that said, the Colts are capable of beating the Titans and I say… bring ’em on!
by LovinBlue on Dec 5, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
basing how good the Colts are
on one game with the Browns is ignorant.
If the Titans dealt with as many injuries as the Colts have this year to key contributors, I doubt they would be able to pull off what the Colts have done.
by metal_militia on Dec 5, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
We lost our starting QB in week 1, and our backup has done great ever since. We lost a pro-bowl DE in Kyle VanDenBosch for about 5 games and kept winning. We lost a starting CB, Nick Harper, for a couple games and still played at a high level. We also lost Justin McCareins for a couple games.
We’re not immune to injuries. It’s just that a well-constructed team is expected to have the necessary depth to withstand injuries. Not sure exactly what you “pulled off”, but if I were you I wouldn’t think of the Colts as rock solid right now.
At least your next 3 games are easy. Good luck.
by BeansCarter on Dec 5, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
it doesn’t count if the backup is 100 times better than the “starting QB”
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Big Ten's leading Rusher, Leads FBS
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Dec 5, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
QB...
c’mon, now. Your losing your starting qb in week 1 is the reason you are where you are. seriously.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 5, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually agree
with the part about resting the players in week 17. It drives me nuts every year he does it.
But as far as the rest of it is concerned, this is all I have to say: “Vince Young sucks!”
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 5, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Titans have 31st toughest schedule
If you use last year’s records, it is the 4th. However, this isn’t last year, as you’ve pointed out to us many, many times.
I’ve got a story upcoming. The Titans have had the 2nd easiest schedule. The Colts are 9th toughest, for what it’s worth.
by mgrex03 on Dec 5, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
You’re right. I missed that.
That’s not very comforting to me.
by BeansCarter on Dec 5, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Response
Since when do the points favorite systems matter? Are we in Vegas? So what we were 9 point favorites. How many points were the Titans favored going into that Baltimore game in 2000? See how stupid your argument looks now?
And yes, from 2004-2006, you were no where near the playoffs. 8-8 in the AFC might as well be 6-10. You need 10 wins to have a shot, 11 to guarantee a playoff spot (6th seed, maybe) in the AFC. So, again, from 2004-2006, your team was no where near the playoffs.
One thing your 2006 SB ring will never do is erase future disappointment.
Dude, seriously, stop talking about how we should feel after our team won the Super Bowl. The Ravens haven’t done jack squat since killing your team and wining it all in 2000, and people still consider them a premiere team in the NFL because of that SB. You don’t know what you are talking about because (since your team has never won anything) your opinion is not informed.
We’re just a better team than you this year, in virtually every single dimension fathomable. The fact that you think you’ll walk into LP Field and beat us in January is not only laughable, but pathetic and altogether deluded.
Your team has a better record (currently) and has better statistics. And if those two things meant anything in January, New England and San Diego would have been the 2007 and 2006 champions, respectively.
Come back here when you know something, pal.
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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 5, 2008 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, from 2004-2006, you were no where near the playoffs. 8-8 in the AFC might as well be 6-10. You need 10 wins to have a shot, 11 to guarantee a playoff spot (6th seed, maybe) in the AFC.
except that is totally wrong because 9-7 WOULD have gotten us in the playoffs. we needed to beat the pats is week 17 to get in and we didn’t. don’t let historical fact get in the way of your argument though.
by hal41605 on Dec 5, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the Colts make the playoffs in 2000?
What is the argument here? The last 5 years? The last 20? I don’t think the “Colt Dynasty” began until 2003, yet you bring up Titan playoff appearances in 2000.
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 5, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
But I’d just like to point out that the regular season success does not make a team a dynasty. The Pats were the only dynasty in this decade.
by BeansCarter on Dec 5, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I looked it up and the Colts did make the playoffs after the 99 season.
And lost to the Titans in the Divisional Round.
And I meant the Division “Dynasty.”
I hate Music City Miracles!
by gramsey712 on Dec 5, 2008 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
6 points
Since when do the points favorite systems matter? Are we in Vegas? So what we were 9 point favorites. How many points were the Titans favored going into that Baltimore game in 2000? See how stupid your argument looks now?
The Titans were favored by 6 points. No, I don’t see how stupid my argument is. Remind me again why you lost to the Chargers.
http://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/nfl/teams/pastresults/2000-2001/team10.htm
The Ravens haven’t done jack squat since killing your team and wining it all in 2000, and people still consider them a premiere team in the NFL because of that SB.
Really? Premiere team because of that SB? Who thinks that? That was a long time ago.
Ironically enough, the only time we ever faced Peyton Manning in the playoffs, we won, and Peyton had a 62 QB rating. It’s funny that in a 17-game season, his 3rd worst game was in a playoff loss. Peyton’s had quite a few bad playoff games. I actually highlighted them in a post a while back, comparing and contrasting his playoff performances to Tom Brady’s There’s no comparison though, really, Brady is a clear winner in that argument. You can see the facts here, in case you forgot – http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/9/16/615591/peyton-manning-31-4th-quar#
by BeansCarter on Dec 5, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of the Titan's fans
are only thumping their chests right now because they know they have a limited window of opportunity on that front. If the Colts were 11-1 right now, it would be just another day at the office yawn, because that’s what they’re used to doing. As a matter of fact, even when the Colts go 13-3 and 12-4, it’s because they threw away games at the end of those seasons by resting players, which means they mostly likely would have been 15-1 in those seasons without throwing the games.
Plus, I think the cockiness is partly because of the fact that the Titans have been the butt of our jokes for a few years now due to Vince Young. I’m sure that steams them as well. You have to admit, the Vince Young situation has been hilarious. At least the ownership and coaches are finally pulling their heads out of their asses long enough to realize VY for who he is. You obviously can’t have much success when your QB spends half of his waking hours either ‘missing’ or on a psychiatrist’s couch. For several seasons, it was like they were throwing good money after bad. So, as far as the ownership goes, a slow learner is better than not learning at all. So, finally, congratrulations.
And, lastly, while the Titans are finally having a respectable season, we all know they are capable of playing like pure caca……case in point…..the Jets game. So, it wouldn’t surprise me to see them go one and done in the playoffs. I’d much rather have a superbowl ring that a division title.
by Ayrshire on Dec 5, 2008 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's nice...
to have a playoff “history”.
by bamock on Dec 5, 2008 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fishers
Playoff record is nothing to write home about. Besides… who has the ring?
by MasterRWayne on Dec 5, 2008 12:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
MasterRWayne!
Welcome back! I’ve been wondering why I didn’t see you on here anymore. Thanks for all your great offseason and training camp/preseason coverage! You totally saved me from the worst of Colts withdrawal symptoms while waiting for football season to come around again.
by jedye on Dec 5, 2008 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding. The last time the American people saw Fisher with a team worth a shit, they were on their knees blowing the Super Bowl. haha
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by KingRichard on Dec 5, 2008 7:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest Rivarly in sports??
No waayy are Colts Pats greatest in sports. Its not even the best in football! Cowboys Giants is the best right now. It lately fluctuates between colts- pats, cowboys-giants. This year, DEFINITELY not Colts-Pats, all about G-Men- Boys.
by sean8686 on Dec 5, 2008 4:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
the NFC East rivalries
you can’t point to one and say that’s the biggest rivalry because all four teams hate each other so much. i think the biggest rivalry in the division would probably be Eagles-Cowboys. Philly fans hate the Cowboys more than anybody.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 5, 2008 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go to a River Plate v Boca Juniors game
And then tell me that any of the “rivalries” in US sports, let alone the NFL, is the greatest rivalry in “all of professional sports”.
Ha!
I can’t decide if it’s Americans hubris or ignorance and amuses me most.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 5, 2008 4:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's most definitely ignorance
I am from Uruguay and have been to a couple local games down there. It is ALWAYS nuts at the games, even when you’re talking about middle of the league teams, much less the perennial powers. We’re talking about entire stadiums singing fight songs, people lighting shit on fire, regular fights in the crowds…all the kind of stuff that could never happen on a regular basis in professional sports here.
However, unless you see it live, it’s hard to really grasp how much these people love their teams and hate their rivals. Even watching it on TV helps, but how often is the average US sports fan going to come across a game like this? I think if you forced every red-blooded American to attend a single big rivalry game in South America, they would gain a better understanding for how crazy a rivalry can be.
by psvirsky on Dec 5, 2008 7:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like to call it Civility
I don’t think that just because we don’t set shit on fire or beat the hell out of each other when we attend a game we aren’t rabid sports fans. In America we kinda like our Billion dollar stadiums and would prefer to keep them looking good instead of looking like a shit hole. The reason all that crazy stuff doesn’t happen here is not necessarily because we don’t love our sports teams it’s because we have a sense of common decency most of the time.
In the end I’m not saying that Soccer fans in other countries aren’t crazy about their rivalry games but that judging fandom by how many people are put into the hospital and how much damage is done to the host venue isn’t quite the barometer I would use. No offense.
by ThirtyOne on Dec 5, 2008 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
While the adrenalin rush must be awesome the millisecond before getting trampled to death or burnt up in the stands (that is if the stampeding crowds don’t collapse the stands first and kill everyone that way), I fail to see the attraction.
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by Marima on Dec 5, 2008 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The fact you think the rivalry between River and Boca, or Real Madrid and Barcelona, or the Milans, or Man United v Liverpool, or any of the other great football derbies, is only intense because of the violence, just indicates how misaligned you are.
Imagine if the Jets and Giants had, between them, won 40 or so Superbowls, had compted against each other 2-5 times a year in three competitions for over a century, had had generation after generation of support growing up being indoctrinated with hatred for each other, had had decades where people died, where Terrell Owens dancing on the Dallas Star was not only not unusual, it was par for the course, where the client media for each team spent the whole year sniping at each other, denigrating each other’s teams. Imagine if Meadowlands was once part of the “other side” of a civil war to the side the Giants are on.
Then you have a rivalry.
Colts v Pats? Yeah, they don’t like each other much.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 6, 2008 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Titans Fans
are quite cocky this year
by FreeneyWillEatYourBaby on Dec 5, 2008 4:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
surely you must be joking...
THE greatest rivalry in the NFL (and all of professional sports) is still Patriots v. Colts.
in the NFL right now, i agree with you. but if you think this rivalry is anywhere close to Yankees/Red Sox, then you’re in serious need of a history lesson. if you asked 10,000 Bostonians who they hate more, the Colts or the Yankees, 10,000 of them would say the Yankees.
it’s not even close.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 5, 2008 6:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That rivalry is in hibernation right now. The Yankees have been sucking it up every since the Sox came back and beat them in the playoffs in 2004.
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by KingRichard on Dec 5, 2008 7:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I live in downtown Boston
It’s not in hibernation. Remember when the Pats had beat us 5 times in a row in the early part of the decade? It still felt like a pretty big rivalry then. The Yankees were definitely at their worst this year, but because of how many times teams play each other in baseball, there’s always going to be a rivalry with games won on either side. Plus there’s some geography in the rivalry since they’re just 4 hours away from each other. And Boston is actually kind of small and pretty blue collar compared to NYC so the locals always feel like they’re sticking it to the man and relish the opportunity to do so. Lastly, the lack of a salary cap means that the Yankees can always get big time players to keep the rivalry from dying.
Overall, each rivalry is at the top of their league. I don’t think there’s a huge difference between the two either, they’re generally even. It’s just a different beast due to the distinctions between baseball and football and NYC v. Indy.
by psvirsky on Dec 5, 2008 7:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add...
I wear Colts gear all the time and love the looks I get from people. I moved here 2 summers ago, right after we won the super bowl, so people couldn’t talk too much shit. Even last year, during the 18-1* (cheated in week one) run, anything their fans said required the automatic response of “who’s the world champion right now?” I’m still a little afraid to watch the Colts v. Pats game in public with a jersey, but I’m working on that. The suburbs are fine, but some of these Southie folks are scary.
by psvirsky on Dec 5, 2008 7:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well to the perception of MLB fans, the rivalry is in hibernation. I can’t stand either of those teams being a Rays fan, but the hype surrounding the two teams is dead right now. The Yankees need to rebuild and get younger, Boston needs to get healthy and replace some of their washed up vets as well. I think the Rays are going to be running the show for the next few years thank god.
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by KingRichard on Dec 5, 2008 8:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
I guess when you talk about rivalries, there are three separate categories.
1 – Fans who hate each other the most
2 – Rivalries the media hypes up the most
3 – Rivalries understood by the nation as a whole.
Red Sox/Yankees is still up there in #1 but the media really went overboard on it from ‘01-’05 or so. Because of that, the media has slowed down on it some (in large part b/c the Yankees have sucked some) and the nation as a whole is unbelievably sick of hearing about it. If you live anywhere other than the East Coast, it sucks to hear about the same two cities over and over again (I was in Indy up until Boston).
by psvirsky on Dec 5, 2008 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that rivalry will never be in hibernation
that’s like saying Ohio State-Michigan is in hibernation because UM was 3-9 this year and OSU has won five straight in the series. it’s just not true. people in Boston hate the Colts, but they’re raised to hate the Yankees from birth. take a trip to Boston with a Yankees’ shirt on and you’ll understand the reality of the situation.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 5, 2008 8:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that rivalry definately has the best quote
(after OSU went for 2 in the 4th quarter with a massive lead)
Reporter: Why did you go for 2 there?
OSU Coach: Because I couldn’t go for 3.
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by shake n bake on Dec 5, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pats-Colts is the best CURRENT rivalry in the NFL, because year after year it’s determined playoff seeding, undefeated seasons, and homefield advantage. Boys-Skins is probably the best HISTORICAL rivalry, but the Cowboys haven’t won a playoff game in over a decade, and the Skins just aren’t that great.
I freely admit to heckling random Pats fans. It’s my God-given right as a Colts fan.
Yankees-Red Sox is being kept alive purely because Boston fans can’t let anything go and STILL despise the Yanks for 03. Nevermind that they won in 04 and 06. The Yankees are going to be a bad team for a long time. It’ll be a big deal when it matters.
Ohio State-Michigan is moribund for the time being. Michigan is terrible and OSU is overrated. I’d say Oklahoma-Texas is bigger right now.
Colts-Pats is consistent entertainment, and has been for most of the last decade. A lot of the NFL’s most memorable games over the past few years have come from these two teams, and a great many have come from them playing eachother. Oddly enough, if the Jets win the AFC East, the Colts and Pats would play eachother next year. Same with the Colts and Chargers. We’d also get a game against Baltimore. Funny how that works, right?
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by MonkeyBusiness on Dec 5, 2008 9:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
actually
Yankees/Sox is being kept alive by almost a century of hostility and countless unforgettable moments: the selling of Babe Ruth, The Boston Massacre, Bucky Dent, Righetti’s no-no, Pedro vs. Zimmer, Aaron Boone, Varitek vs. A-Rod, 2004 0-3 comeback, etc.. i’m not trying to take anything away from Colts/Pats but comparing it to Yankees/Sox is laughable. if the Colts and Patriots five-year rivalry (because 2003 is when it really started) goes the next 85 years, then i’ll put it in the convesation with Yankees/Sox.
there is no bigger rivalry past/current/future/whatever in pro sports.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 5, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re completely missing the point here. No one except you is comparing the the Skankees-Shit Sox entire history to the Colts-Pats rivalry. But at present time, meaning AT THIS VERY MOMENT IN TIME, the Colts-Pats rivalry is bigger than Skankees-Shit Sox. Get it?
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by KingRichard on Dec 5, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is not good
For them, that is.
by canadiancolts on Dec 5, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rivalry
Ok all homer stuff aside. You CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT think that what 8 years of great rivalries will equal 100 years. The Yankees-Red Sox rivalry I am sure is much more deep rooted than Colts-Pats.
I can relate it to Hockey, my home team the Calgary Flames have a great rivalry going with Vancouver Canucks right now because of standings and many other things. But the rivalry between us and the Edmonton Oilers is still better, we Calgarians hate Edmonton not only as a team but as a city, no matter how good the Calgary-Vancouver rivalry is it will never be better than the Calgary-Edmonton one.
As was said before, if you have been raised to hate a team then that takes precedent over any current rivalry hands down. I am not saying the Colts-Pats is not great because it is great, but it pales in comparison with the Yanks-Sox.
by canadiancolts on Dec 5, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The fact of the matter is....
we are talking about the NFL.
Not MLB, NBA, NHL, or whatever soccer is. Great write-up on a heated rivalry in the NFL BBS.
On a side note ..whatever happened with the Hatfield-McCoy rivalry??
by OneMore on Dec 5, 2008 11:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
can't even write a colts-pats article without taking weak shots at the titans
pitiful. “not much to say about an 11-1 team who was up 31-14 on us before a garbage time td, BUT bellicheck is totally gonna beat them in the playoffs”
is that really how far the colts have fallen? using bellicheck as some “my older brother could beat you up” argument?
that is some weak, weak sauce you got there
by hal41605 on Dec 5, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
"wouldn't be surprised" isn't the same as it's totally going to happen.
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by shake n bake on Dec 5, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this may get me into some trouble...
i’m a stl. cardinals fan…i would a number of cubs fans if given the chance
would any of you kill patriots fans? i think not
therfore the cubs-cardinals rivalry is the best in sports
(kidding)
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 5, 2008 3:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ugh
thats supposed to say kill a number of cubs fans
by VolsnCards5 on Dec 5, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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