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Clutch or Choker

How do you define one player as being either a clutch player or a choker? Particularly in something like Football which, more than any other sport, is a team sport. If you listen long enough to people, you might be let to believe that there are some players who are extremely "clutch" and some who just cannot "handle the pressure". I for one don't believe that one bit.

My favorite book (non-fiction) ever is Moneyball in which Michael Lewis talks about how you define "clutch" performance. The player need to elevate his performance in a measurable manner (and do that consistantly) - if you're a hitter, your batting average must be higher in the playoffs every year than it is in the regular season, if you're a basketball player then your field goal percentage goes up in the playoffs. When they tried to measure clutch performance in baseball thus, they couldn't identify such behaviour. Fact is, people like Derek Jeter (who I do like) have been labeled with this tag because people remember the times he did come through and forget the times that he failed.

Now if you couldn't measure clutch behavior in a relatively straightforward situation like hitting, how can you even measure clutch behavior (for a QB) in a sport like football where a 100 things could affect whether or not a ball is caught successfully? The left guard could have missed a blocking assignment, the WR could have run a route wrong (the other team could have videotaped your walkthrough!) there could have been a sudden gust of wind.

Here's a fun factoid - guess which QB has the most overtime victories in the NFL? Tom Brady. Impressive? Maybe. But answer me this - why did those games have to go to overtime in the first place? As Manning said, "You hear about how many fourth quarter comebacks that a guy has and I think it means a guy screwed up in the first three quarters." Manning doesn't have comeback and overtime victories because he wins games in the first three quarters.

This makes it the third consecutive entry into the playoffs that Tom Brady has failed to convert into a Super Bowl. Manning was called a choker for a similar performance earlier. Does that make Tom Brady a choker then?  If Brady is truly the son of God as everyone claims (sorry couldn't resist that dig) and HE led the team to the victories, then isn't he also to blame for the losses?

Or maybe individual performance of a QB in Football should not be tied to wins and losses and instead, if at all he is to be judged, then he be judged purely on his stats alone. Even those can be flawed (like Eli Manning's INT in the SB, which was clearly not his fault) but it's better than the Win/Loss record which is much less in control of the QB.

Truth is, and you can disagree if you like, Brady has had the luxury of a terrific coach, a great defense and an outstanding O-line. I'm not saying  he's mediocre but we saw what happened when you removed some of those away from him - he became "human".

BTW, I am not suggesting that "choking" doesn't exist. There are definitely some players for whom the big stage can cause problems. But I don't believe that there are players who necessarily (and consistently) elevate their play in key situations.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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If a player can handle the pressure
of a regular NFL game he has the mental make-up to handle a playoff game. He's already been playing for his job all year, with millions watching and criticizing. Playoff games aren't that much different.

The smaller sample size and increased visibility of the playoffs gave rise to the Choker-Clutch myths. It's luck pure and simple. Some QBs are better than others but just because it's January that doesn't suddenly make some QBs better and some worse.

my blog http://shakennbaken.blogspot.com/

by shake n bake on Feb 5, 2008 12:26 PM EST   0 recs

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The whole 4th qtr comeback crap is perhaps the most useless and retarded stat/category they keep track of. First, as Manning has stated and as I have been saying for over 15 years (I'm only 29) years, I'd rather have a qb that is successful and has few 4th qtr comebacks because it most likely meant he did his job and the team did their job in the first 3 qtrs. Peyton is my current fav nfl player but my all-time fav player/athlete is Steve Young and he had few 4th qtr comebacks because he was often not in the game since the 9ers were winning and he did his job.

Another issue with the whole category is it doesn't separate the wins/drives based on when it took place and also the score, etc. A team could be down by 4, field a punt to start the 4th qtr, return it to the 2 yard line, get a rush td and bam, hold on to win. HOW IS THAT AN INDICATION OF THE QB DOING SOMETHING? Same goes for OT. Usually big kick/punt returns set up short field position and all a qb does is hand off for a FG win. How is that the QB?

If they really want to go squirt on this 4th qtr crap they really should put them in context. Eli's SB 4th qtr game winning drive was amazing. That is something to be impressed by.  

Then you have the choke/clutch thing which as stated, is retarded to talk about concerning a qb/individual player. As stated and as MANY in the media seem to not grasp, football is a TEAM SPORT and one guy does not win or lose it, especially the QB. How could anyone pin the chargers loss on Manning? He did his job but the D didn't do theirs. He easily had the best passing game in the entire playoffs (he did more vs San Diego than brady did vs them and Peyton had worse protection) yet bam, they lost. How was Brady better vs the Chargers because they simply won? Is Manning a choker for that? Then you have this SB...I think Brady didn't do much regardless of the pressure. Do I think he choked? No. I put more of that loss on the OL being horrible and the Giants D simply being fantastic.

I can't stand the win/loss crap being tied to a QB and the player being judged by that. Brady is no doubt a better qb now than he was in 01, 03, 04 yet bam, there they were winning SBs and now they aren't. The only reason people do this choke/clutch, win/loss stuff with QBs is because the sports world has some weird belief that the qb is God on the field and controls everything like it is a video game. Plus, it is easier to break things down to the most simplistic term of looking at a win or loss and saying a guy is good/bad based on it. Also, it gives people something to talk about and act like they are being intelligent when they aren't. Yes, winning is all that matters but you CAN'T judge a single player in a team sport by it. If football were tennis then ok, go for it. The same is true for ANY comparison really. Nobody can truly say X player is better than Y player unless they play under the same conditions, same players, same plays, etc.

Don't even get me started on when people try and compare teams/players of different eras. HTF can anyone logically try and say a team from say this decade is better than a team from the 60s? Did they throw them into some alternate world where they could play each other multiple times? Same with players...is Joe Montana really soooo great because he won 4 Sbs in an era where there was no cap/free agency? So I'm to believe Manning, Young, etc couldn't have won on the same team under the same circumstances? Both those guys are to me better passers than Montana yet there is Montana with more success. Or how about Terry Bradshaw. He was a mediocre passer outside of the playoffs and a couple ok seasons...so he's better than Marino because he has 4 rings and the luxury of playing with a great defense?

The whole debating in sports is really silly. I realize I do it to a degree but I understand it is silly when I do it. The only defense I have for when I do it is I at least try and break it down more than just wins/losses or "end stats" and I look at efficiency and the circumstances. Take Brady/Manning. I say Manning is clearly the better qb because I believe he can do more with less (Manning handles blitzes/pressure better IMO) and if both QBed on the same team he'd outplay Brady because to me he is simply the better passer and makes better decisions. However, I can NEVER have this proven so it is just my opinion. Many it seems, do not grasp it is just their opinion when they state their stuff as fact.

I wish people would quit this crap but they never will...at least the actual players and people in the sports do not put much value in this stuff. It is just the media and fans that really do it.

Oh and I won't even touch the qb head to head crap. I guess I watch a different game as I have never seen Brady going up against Manning or any other Qbs. Again, it is like people think it is a video game. Bugs me

by Rob L on Feb 5, 2008 1:28 PM EST   0 recs

Bluebulb and Rob L
Excellent diary and comment.

by coltsfanawalt on Feb 5, 2008 5:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

QB gets too much credit and too much blame
because he's the leader of the offense and usually the team. He's the guy everyone focuses on, however, a QB is only as uccessful as his WRs getting open and catching the ball and O line blocking for him.

If those parts of the offense are not working a QB will not be successful no matter how good he is. So a QB is really only as good as his WRs and O line and when those things are missing, he looks like a choker, when they play well he looks clutch, its as simple as that.

by Terry on Feb 5, 2008 2:24 PM EST   0 recs

True
and the average fan isn't aware of whose fault a bad play is. For example a QB throws about 4 feet over a receiver's head. It looks like a bad throw, one that got away. Damn that receiver was open, too. But who knows what the route was? Maybe it was a timing play and the receiver was supposed to take it a couple of yards farther before making his break. The throw could have been perfect, but because the receiver runs a sloppy route, it looks like a bad throw. And yet the average fan thinks, "Boy, my QB just doesn't have it today."  

by ctnyc on Feb 5, 2008 10:30 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I'm with shake n' bake ...
if you can make it to the NFL, you probably don't have problems with "the big game". You've already played in plenty in your life just to get there, and you play in front of 100's of thousands of screaming fans week in and week out.

by PaytonMenning on Feb 6, 2008 1:08 AM EST   0 recs

I agree...
In fact, if you played at Ohio State, Michigan, etc... you're used to seeing crowds of 100,000 people or more.  Can't be much different than 58,000 at the RCA Dome.

On another rant, this is another reason I hate it when they say teams are "cold weather" teams.  First of all... most of these kids have played outside in the cold.  Secondly, the entire season isn't played during the winter.  How many actual cold weather games does a team play in a year... 4-5 at the most?

...end rant...

by the21eraser on Feb 6, 2008 1:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

It's a good point ...
even if you're a cold weather team, with a cold weather arena - you still travel to half of your games.

I think the big advantage comes from practicing in the cold - which most teams north of the mason dixon line can do in the winter pretty much anywhere, dome or not.

by PaytonMenning on Feb 7, 2008 2:58 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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