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More thoughts on Super Bowl 42

Michael Strahan reminds Richard Seymour who the real champions are.
One of the things TheSportsGuru and I talked about last night on The Football Frenzy podcast we do is the notion that one (ie, me) cannot say a team choked (the Patriots) and at the same time give credit to the team that won (the Giants). Guru's point is that it must be one or the other, and I (of course) disagree, but that doesn't mean Guru's argument isn't without merit. It's not like he's Peter King, who has now officially descended into the realm of hack buffoonery, comparing Wes Welker with Jerry Rice. Unlike King (who seems to look fatter and sound stupider with every column and TV appearance he makes), Guru has a point, but I think he's missing something.

Obviously, on the field of play, points spreads mean nothing (or, at the very least, should mean nothing). Just because you are favored by 14 points does not mean you are guaranteed to win. If anything, all the pressure is on you to deliver, because everyone who is paying to watch you play expects you to deliver, and when you don't you are called "chokers." As Colts fans, we know this all too well, not because our team ever "choked," but because our team was always held to that standard.

New England wasn't, until now.

It's funny how now New England is finally getting scrutinized, and this notion of "destiny" and all that can get flushed down the toilet, along with New England's "19-0" perfect season. We heard it all year long from readers like standingpat and horseofadifferentcolor. Hell, one actually tried to suggest that not winning the Super Bowl was ok because the Pats already made history and are immortalized.

Gee, wonder how that guy feels now.

The point here is the build up to the Super Bowl, and the campaigning by Patriots fans to crown their team even before they'd won the biggest game of the year, rivaled anything these presidential campaigns are doing in terms of spin. Even the Patriots themselves entered this game cocky and disrespectful of the opponent. Even during the game, guys like Richard Seymour were inviting Giants players to his Super Bowl celebration party after the game. During one of his final press conferences leading up to the game, Tom Brady laughed and shrugged off Plaxico Burress' comments that the Patriots would score only 17 points. He then took the field in Super Bowl 42 and managed to only put 14 on the scoreboard. I heard and read very little from the Patriots (and especially their fans) about how tough the Giants were; how they should not be taken lightly; how the Patriots are honored to play them, etc. As a favorite, it is very important to make those statements clear and not antagonize an underdog team.

Why? Simple, the Giants played like they had nothing to lose, and completely dominated the Patriots physically.

New England seemed shocked the Giants bothered to show up and even more shocked that NY was not intimidated by New England's "finesse" offense. If you are like me, you are laughing at the irony dripping from my sentences because, for years, this is what moronic Pats fans claimed made the Colts "chokers." They were a "soft" team that wasn't "physical" with their "choker" QB who can't make plays at the end to help his team win; "soft" defense that can't hold leads and isn't "physical" enough to win.

Even though Peter King is often a fat idiot, he did lead his post-Super Bowl 42 column with this quote from Mr. Congeniality himself, Mike Tyson:

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face."
The Giants walked into Super Bowl 42 and, in the first few seconds, punched the Patriots square in the kisser. The Pats never recovered from that punch, and seemed unable to respond physically. They ran for less than 40 yards, and folded mentally down the stretch, especially on defense. Credit NY for throwing the punch, and making it land. But, also bash and berate the Pats for not having the mental and physical fortitude to respond even though, for the last five months, this team has crowed endlessly about how great and tough they are.

"Humble pie?" My ass.

Why didn't 4 Pats defenders, one of them Richard Seymour, wrap up Eli Manning? Why was Ellis Hobbs one-on-one with Plaxico Burress near the goal line? What was Belichick thinking not punting, or kicking a FG, on 4th and 13? Mental and physical mistakes by a team not known for doing such things. Give NY credit for sticking it to a team that needed a good ass kicking, but the fact of the matter is the Patriots are, and have always been, an arrogant, cocky team that did not take the Giants seriously. That, in my book, is choking. Never, ever, under any circumstances, dismiss an opponent in the NFL. It's inexcusable. This is professional football, not friggin' college ball. Everyone in this league is good. Say whatever you want about the Colts disappointments in the playoffs, but they never, ever took a team lightly. They have always shown respect to the other side, even when the other side did not deserve or warrant respect.

That's why I think one can say the Patriots choked and, at the same time, the Giants should get credit for wrapping their hands around New England's collective throats, and "choking" the life out of their perfect season.  

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at it from a different point of view.  I could give a damn what the media hyped, which a-hole media guy said this or that.  They jump from band-wagon to band-wagon with alot of the same things being said about the Broncos in 98 and the Colts in 05, each 13-0, until each lost.

I simply hear the "choke" comment as a way for fans to justify their team losing a game they "were supposed" or "should have" or "expected" to win.  We have all been there, Broncos/Jags in 1996, Steelers/Colts in 2005.  In both cases the better team that day won the game.  The same thing happened Sunday.  Like I said last night, each game is looked at separately.  The certainly games where a team simply gives a game away.  Given the circumstances, the fact that Eli Manning led the Giants to two fourth quarter TD drives against a defense that hadn't given up a TD in 9 playoff quarters, the fact the Giants nearly watched it slip away and were able to re-grab it, makes this game a classic.

I guess try to go back to any game the Colts have lost that you really believed in your heart and mind they were going to win and remember your thoughts immediately after.  That's where I am coming from....

by John Bena on Feb 6, 2008 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

Agree with BBS
IMO the Pats choked for the very reasons given and the Giants also played a hell of a game. You choke if you don't execute how you usually do (ie, the insane escape by Eli, the belichick 4th down call, brady missing wide open guys even with no real pressure, etc) and that is separate from a team playing well, which the Giants did.

I think the Colts choked vs the Chargers in the playoffs as well. They didn't execute well at all and made many mistakes like balls tipping off hands that got intercepted. That's choking.

Clearly the Giants deserved to win and played amazingly...but the Pats also choked.

by Rob L on Feb 6, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

The reality is...
The reality is that you have to be the best team for 60 minutes on game day.  Past history does not guarantee future results.  The Pats did it 18 out of 19 times this season.  That does not make you perfect or even close to it.

The reality of it is that this will go down as the biggest choke of all time.  Right now, we are looking at the Giants as a team that matched up well with the Pats.  But years from now, this matchup will be looked at as an 18-0 team against an 14-5 team.  All of the game details, most of what happened in the game (except for the escape and catch) will be forgotten.  History does not remember details, it only remembers final results.  So while Pats fans think they accomplished something great even without finishing the job, history will be very cruel to them and they will have to live with this epic defeat forever.

by Blueisgood on Feb 6, 2008 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

A few thoughts....
I hope the Colts learn from the Super Bowl; first, can they use Gonzalez with his speed like the Pats use Welker (to me, that team's offensive MVP, who almost always was a sure thing on third downs)?

Second, will Dungy/Meeks ever put a smash-mouth defense like the Giants' on the field (my primary gripe on this blog)?  Do they need another seven years?  Sanders as our primary hitter by himself is not enough; besides, remember him on the turf during the Bolts playoff game?  I'm a Bob fan, but dudes, he's fragile; in fact, judging by all our injuries, all our guys are fragile (because they're so fucking undersized), and how can you ensure that the same number of injuries won't occur next year?  That's why a lot of the projections I read on this blog for next year won't mean shit.  Will we ever add more heft on defense so that we can play smash-mouth football?  Wanna discuss modifying our defensive philosophy so there's more to it than just speed?

Third,we can't skimp on a back-up running back again; not having a back able to play at Rhodes' level really messed us up this year.

Finally, I LOVED seeing Brady play bad and get pounded, but remember, the fuckers almost pulled it out by scoring and going ahead late in the game.  Thank God for Eli and the Giant Snatch.  In all honesty, 18-1 is nothing to sneeze at, but Bellishit finally had some bad luck blow up on his face.  Eff him and his #1 high draft pick.

by N Colter on Feb 7, 2008 12:17 AM EST reply actions  

counter rant
The Colts offense and defense are made for each other, both in style and cost. If we went out and spent a bunch on D instead of drafting players that fit in the Tampa-2 who come for cheap because the rest of the league thinks they are too small, then their wouldn't be enough money for the offense. Do you like having 3 1st round WRs, the best QB in the league, more 1st round weapons in Clark and Addai and a good O-line?  All that isn't possible without spending less on defense. You can spend less and still get very good production if you use players that are undervalued. That's the whole point of Moneyball, it's not about stats it's finding guys who are worth more than people think/pay them. Instead of guys that get on base, but don't run/field/look good it's undersized defenders.

The Colts had the #1 scoring D in the league, all you guys out there that think they need to change something are crazy.

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by shake n bake on Feb 7, 2008 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

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