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Warren Sapp retires

Warren Sapp too has retired this year.  As the NFL site mentions this is a bit ironic that he and Favre retire the same year, given the history of trash talking between these two when they still played in the same division.

On a side note, here is a player that played 13 years in the league, and yet according to the NFL report was fined only twice in that entire time. (one for that infamous hit after an interception on the green bay player)

The fact that as a defensive lineman he could play so many years with so few fines, and yet a player like Wilfork is fined 3 times in a single season I think is reflective of a classy, skilled player (even with all the trash talk) vs. a dirty player who uses illegal hits to achieve an end rather than talent.

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Wonder if he'll pull a Seau
Just so he could get out of Oakland and on a contender...../cheapshot

by yellowsnow on Mar 5, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

heh
I'm sure the Pats will be callin.

by KingRichard on Mar 5, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

pulling a seau
Pats might be calling but the difference is Sapp has his ring, and probably doesn't need the aggravation of being back on the same team as randy moss.

After having played for years with Dungy as his head coach, I can't imagine him wanting to play for Belicheat either...

by bluegirl on Mar 6, 2008 9:35 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah...
Yeah..you are so right on the money..

"I think is reflective of a classy, skilled player (even with all the trash talk) vs. a dirty player who uses illegal hits to achieve an end rather than talent."

Sapp is such a great guy --  during an interception return by the Buccaneers, Chad Clifton was jogging down field, away from the main action, and was blindsided by Sapp. The hit sent Clifton to the hospital with a pelvic injury, which ended his season. Sherman approached him after the game and told him whaty he did was wrong and Sapp yelled "If you think you're so tough, why don't you put on a jersey?" Sapp later called Sherman: "a lying, shit-eating hound. ...Sapp also verbally abused referees, bumping two of them, and then after a fine said "It's a slave system. Make no mistake about it. Slave master say you can't do it, don't do it. They'll make an example out of you."--- yeah he sure is a classy guy -- the only reason he's been quiet lately is because he's had limited playing time -- being a big fat tub of goo and all..

As for Wilfork, he is one of the best at his position in the league...he did not get there by playing dirty.  I don't like it when he gets flagged for a so-called "dirty" play, but alot of players do stupid things on the field -- some get called, alot don't  --- he makes up for 3 "dirty" plays with consistent play all season long....

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." Sun Tzu

by OneMore on Mar 6, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

Flawed logic
Just because Sapp has acted like a jackass in his career doesn't mean Wilfork isn't a dirty player. Everybody outside of N.E. (including the league itself) realizes that Wilfork has consistently taken cheap shots. Hence the fines. Whether he is a good player or not has nothing to do with it. He's dirty. A fine isn't doled out on a whim. It's given because after careful review of the video by league officials, they determine that there has been an illegal activity (in NFL terms at least). It happened 3 times in one season to Wilfork, including the infamous eye poke and the hit that knocked Losman out (I love the argument Pats fans make that he was just trying to brace himself for his fall -- right... when we are trying to brace ourselves, most of us lift our arms UP...)

Your argument is basically: "He's really good, everybody does it, as long as he's consistent, who cares?" None of these opinions has any relevance to the discussion of whether he's a dirty player. Pats fans need to concede this point; your insistence that he's not dirty in the face of overwhelming evidence just makes you look silly and undermines any good arguments you may make.  

by ctnyc on Mar 6, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Everybody Does It
Isn't that the common excuse of all Pats fans in defense of their dirty franchise?

by coltsfanawalt on Mar 6, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

One action
Sapp had one very bad hit (that by the rules of the game  WAS LEGAL) and it probably wasn't necessary and harder than it needed to be, but how many times do we see a defender take a shot at a QB after a pick if the QB tries to get in for a tackle.  It was one ugly incident in a 13 year career.  The point being that he didn't need to do this to establish himself as a great player.  If you take away all the cheap hits that players like Wilfork and Rodney Harrison have doled out (and been fined for) do you think they would be half as good as they are?  

by bluegirl on Mar 6, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummmmm...
"If you take away all the cheap hits that players like Wilfork and Rodney Harrison have doled out (and been fined for) do you think they would be half as good as they are? "

I wasn't talking about Harrison....Wilfork is good regardless of the fact that YES, he does take cheap shots ---  more than I'd like to see and less than everybody thinks...He was fined 3 times over the course of 19 games......
I really do not think he makes a career out of taking cheap shots.. I mean there have been numerous Bob Sanders Spearing parodies and isn't spearing another player illegal ---
Spearing - tackling or otherwise contacting an opponent with one's helmet. (This technique is illegal because of the risk of neck injuries to the tackler.)

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." Sun Tzu

by OneMore on Mar 6, 2008 1:00 PM EST reply actions  

semantics
you are bandy semantics.   An illegal hit is defined by the NFL as one with the possibility of injuring the other player and the instigator is fined accordingly.  Stop trying to be an apologist for the illegal actions of patriot players.  

I'd consider the Dallas player who was suspended for the horse collar as a dirty player too who got what he deserved and whose success was predicated on the illegal tackles NOT his skill

by bluegirl on Mar 6, 2008 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

you said
wilfork got where he is today because of cheap shots.... i disagree... that's all ...
so this dallas player made a living off of horse collaring every player he tried to tackle...WOW.. how did he get selected after the combine...i mean he must've collared hundreds of players in college since he built his career off of it...
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win." Sun Tzu

by OneMore on Mar 6, 2008 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Roy Williams...
He did make it for exactly that.  He plays an extremely physical version of strong safety.  He has ___NO___ coverage skills and often gets beat by people that get to his level.  He needed the horse tackle so that he could appear to be a playmaker.  He is hated by a good many Cowboys fans.  A lot of people hope that JJ can ship him off somewhere else for a draft pick to get a real strong safety.

Wilfork doesn't have the total lack of ability that Williams has, and is a serviceable NT.  But it is his dirty antics that make him seem to be a higher caliber player.  Much like Rodney Harrison, who, if playing a clean game is good enough to be a starter, but that's about it.

Another Patriot, though, who's game is more dependent than Wilfork's is on dirty play is Matt Light.  Holding, tripping, kicking, clipping.  If Tommy Terrific might get touched, Matt Light is his hitman.  And I don't mean that in a good way.  But he's such a good actor, he hardly ever gets called out for it.

by Bullard47 on Mar 6, 2008 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

yeap
I distinctly remember him tripping Freeney last year in the regular season game.

by KingRichard on Mar 6, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

freeney
he woudn't have been playing in the raiders game he was out for the season at that point

by torontocoltsfan on Mar 7, 2008 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

True enough..
Light sometimes looks like Jet Li performing a roundhouse trying to take opponents down -- very disappointing to watch when you know that these guys are actually quite talented and get paid alot of money out there....hell I could leg whip or act like a speed bump and try and trip someone...Harrison is another story -- consistently voted dirtiest player by his peers...great distinction..I've watched games where he jumps on a pile at the end and wanna reach thru the TV to wring his neck...when your skill level is diminished ,the only way to try and hold on is by resorting to shady tactics..i do not agree with that ...OK
" I LOVE TURTLES "

by OneMore on Mar 7, 2008 7:41 AM EST reply actions  

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