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Steve "McHurt" retires

Steve McNair retired from the NFL today. There is a 1pm press conference scheduled. We wish Steve well in this next stage of his life, but we still consider him one of the most over-hyped football players of his generation.

McNair got the nickname "McHurt" from Colts fans because it always seemed that he was injured and that when he played on Sunday it was because of his "amazing" powers to tolerate pain and be "tough." The reality is McNair was a lazy player who did not condition himself well in the off-seasons and, as a consequence, got hurt A LOT when he played on Sundays. Here is CBS' Pete Prisco discussing McNair some time ago:

The Titans allowed Steve McNair to get away with a lot of things when he was the quarterback. He was never the hardest worker, according to team insiders.
McNair's co-MVP award, which he shared with Peyton Manning in 2003, was a sham and a farce. Peyton should have been the lone recipient of that award that year, especially considering his Colts swept the Titans that season and won the AFC South. I recall several MVP voters later stating they wished they'd voted for Peyton over McNair. Some even admitted that they voted for McNair over Peyton because they felt Peyton couldn't "win big games."

Again, further proof that our national sports press corps is completely and utterly clueless.

For the first portion of his career, McNair tormented the Colts not necessarily because he was good (he wasn't) but because the teams he was on were better. When the Titans shifted more towards throwing the ball, that is about the time Indy started owning the Titans.

From a personal stand point, I'm glad McNair is retired because it was obvious he was done. I don't want lingering injury to last throughout the rest of his life. From a football stand point, McNair was highly over-rated and waaaaaaaaay over-hyped. If anyone suggests HoF for this guy, they will get a swift backhand from me (and just about everyone else). Yes, that includes you Gus Johnson.

McNair finishes his career with 31,304 yards, 174 TDs, and 119 INTs. Check out Music City Miracles and Baltimore Beatdown for more posts on McNair's retirement.

Update [2008-4-17 18:24:18 by BigBlueShoe]: There were some comments in the post that were deleted because they were racially insensitive. My apologies to anyone offended. I personally will not stand for anyone who makes the suggestion (let alone flat out states) that my opinions of Steve McNair or any minority player are racially motivated or biased. You can disagree with me all you want. I encourage you to disagree. But, in order to belittle my argument, if you call me, or anyone else here, a racist because we don't think McNair, or Vince Young, or Michael Vick are good players because they are African Americans, that is the fast track to Bansville; Population: Arrogant morons who want to dismiss an opinion by implying a racist agenda where non exists.

Again, apologies to anyone offended by some of the contributors comments others made in this thread.

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FO 2003 QB DPAR
Total
Peyton Manning 120.5
Steve McNair    90.0

Passing
Manning 125.7
McNair 85.2

Rushing
Manning -5.2
McNair   4.8

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2003.php

30 points is a lot.

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by shake n bake on Apr 17, 2008 12:19 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

McNair was a good, but not great QB
Tha said, he was only 2 yards away from owning as many SB rings as Manning.

by Terry on Apr 17, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

And yet
If Super Bowl rings equal greatness, that means Terry Bradsaw is the best of all time: Better than Marino, Elway, and Unitas.

Please, can we end this dumb talk? If McNair had won that Super Bowl, he'd still not be a HoFer.

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by BigBlueShoe on Apr 17, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What about him?
You think Terry Bradshaw is as good as Joe Montana?
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by BigBlueShoe on Apr 17, 2008 6:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

no, not at all, however
the only reason why many fans consider Montana the greatest of all time is because of his 4 rings and Bradshaw's 4 rings is the only reason why he is a HOFer.

Say what you want about McNair, but he certainly had a trait Manning doesn't possess and that is he could make a negative play into a positive play in the face of chaos as well as any QB I've ever seen.

by Terry on Apr 18, 2008 8:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Listen
It's just my opinion on the guy, based on he truth. I could get up here and write him a valentine, but the reality is Jeff Fisher and the Titans defense were more responsible for Tennessee's success than Steve McNair, who was known to be a lazy player. I have absolutely ZERO tolerance for laziness when it comes to athletics.

Sorry you didn't like it, but sometimes the truth hurts.

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by BigBlueShoe on Apr 17, 2008 1:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Warrior
The Warrior finally hangs em up.  What a hero.  My favorite was when they would show computer generated schematics of his body during the game, and highlight all the areas he was injured.  He was just so different from every other player in the NFL, in that he played hurt, while others sit out when they get hurt.    

My favorite memory of The Warrior was watching him play one Sunday, when Gus Johnson reminded us of just how big of a hero he was, with the call, "McNair back to pass, OFF TWO BAD LEGS!"

Goodbye hero.  You truly are one of the best warrior hero's ever in the history of warriors.

The Shogun of Harlem

by shonuff on Apr 17, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

HoF
McNair will be a first ballot hall of famer.  I'm willing to bet anyone about it too.  I'm not saying he should or should not get in.  

The truth is that he is a black qb and the media and the nfl have a lot of reasons to pump black qb's up.  

And if the popular opinion does not jibe with the reality of the situation; well, that is just something we won't talk about.

If Warren Moon is a HoFamer; McNair is a slam-dunk.

On the same note, McNabb is also a first ballot shoe-in.

In a perfect world skin color whould not change perception of performance.  Someday there will be a pocket passing black qb who is actually as good as a Marino or Manning.  Until then the media will just have to settle for what we have.

by zilla1126 on Apr 17, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Skin color
Skin color is not relevant here. Steve McNair will not be a first ballot HoFer "because he is black." That's silliness. Warren Moon is a well deserved HoFer because of the numbers he put up in the USFL and the NFL (yes, numbers matter to HoF voters, and they should).

McNair had fine numbers, but he never truly dominated the game they way guys like Moon or even Donovan McNabb have done. So, his skin color here matters very little, and any further discussion of it will not be tolerated. No offense, but the only way this kind of discussion can go is downward in a spiral and I want to nip it in the bud right here.

Talk about his legacy, his importance to the Titans, his laziness off the field, whatever. Skin color in this regard is not relevant.

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by BigBlueShoe on Apr 17, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lets talk in 5 years
Comparing apples to apples; take a look at Trent Green's stats and then compare them to McNair:

Green
http://www.nfl.com/players/trentgreen/profile?id=GRE367521

McNair
http://www.nfl.com/players/stevemcnair/profile?id=MCN033803

Note that despite Green compiling no statistics for 5 of his first seven seasons (due to being on the bench or injured) that he has better stats in just about every way than McNair.  Green probably will never garner even consideration for the HoF; whereas I maintain that McNair will be a first-ballot inductee.

After Green's horrific knee injury his first year with the Rams (1999), he was not injured until his horrific head injury in 2006.  That is six consecutive seasons without missing a start.

I'm sorry that I did not go more out of the way to mention that I actually like Steve McNair.  He was not much of a passer his first few years, but he really blossomed.  I just think he was overrated for non-random reasons.

If it is generally agreed that he is/was overrated; then why?  He did not play in a large market.  He did not win a SB with a dominant team (like a certain Bear QB).

Was he just randomly picked to be overrated?

by zilla1126 on Apr 17, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Your argument relys on him being a HOFer
When the smart observers look at his numbers and say no. And the dumb ones look at his lack of rings and say no.

He's not going to be a HOFer. He's overrated because commentators love to sell the toughness angle and his constant injuries allowed that.

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by shake n bake on Apr 17, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

HoF
Yes, my argument does depend on him making the Hall of Fame.

I decided to look around to see what other NFL observers are saying.  It seems that the consensus is that he will not get inducted.  So maybe you are right.

by zilla1126 on Apr 17, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Umm yeah
Yeah thanks Rush Limbaugh! We will take your comments to the trash can where the belong.

by MasterRWayne on Apr 17, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

McNair
Overrated, but I liked him.
Walk on, walk on With hope in your heart And you'll never walk alone You'll never walk alone

by MerryGoByeBye on Apr 17, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Word of Wisdon from Steve McNair
"I'm not about the numbers, I'm about (long pause) how well I played on the field."

Um, That is what your numbers represent, how well you played on the field.

my blog <http://shakennbaken.blogspot.com>

by shake n bake on Apr 17, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Tough
I heard from a friend of mine that he took the podium to announce his retirement with 2 broken jaws.
The Shogun of Harlem

by shonuff on Apr 17, 2008 4:46 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Ugh
I hate to break it to you but Allen Iverson SUCKS! The guy can't play defense and has been a cancer on every single team he has been a part of! He puts up a lot of shots and is really the epitome of the sub par play exhibited by the NBA the last several years.

And BBS and I could really care less what the "main stream" media thinks of us bloggers. These are the same idiots who would rather talk about who is or who isn't wearing a American flag lapel pen(that are made in China I might add) then the state of our economy and our country. This is the same "main stream media" that crowned the Patriots as the greatest team ever before the playoffs had even started yet.

I couldn't give one "limp donkey dick" what the media thinks of us.

by MasterRWayne on Apr 17, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Here's an NBA statisical analysis site
that agrees. By their measure Iverson is a slightly below average player for his career. He scores a lot of points because he puts up an insane number of shots.
my blog <http://shakennbaken.blogspot.com>

by shake n bake on Apr 17, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

One of the Good Guys is gone.
Overhyped or not, Mac was one of the most loved (by his fans and others) and likeable players in the league. Not to mention one of the most Respected. The game has lost one of the Good Guys today. Yes I am a Titans fan, call me a homer but I will definately miss this guy!
Someone once said "Vince Young bleeds Titan Blue!" But I disagree, Because the Great One DOESNT bleed!

by TitansFan10 on Apr 17, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Main Stream Press
The main stream press looks down on bloggers because they represent a threat to their income and their profession.

Plus, the main stream press these days is about two steps away from Entertainment Tonight.

The Shogun of Harlem

by shonuff on Apr 17, 2008 6:04 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Mac
You know I really had no problems with McNair really. Sure he was unfairly hyped by the media, but  I can't blame him for that.

by MasterRWayne on Apr 17, 2008 6:25 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

McNair
I've never been a big fan.  He was overhyped, especially for being "tough".  Playing hurt doesn't make you tough, it makes you fragile.

That being said, he never caused much trouble, and from all accounts was a great teammate.  There are a lot worse guys out there than Steve McNair.

The real question is... can the Ravens finally get someone to play QB?

by the21eraser on Apr 17, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Gotta agree
Wasn't a huge fan.  Thought he was overrated..but, he had a lot of heart and toughness.  Pretty good player.  I wouldn't vote for him in the HOF, but I respect what he did.  Hope he can stay healthy for the rest of his life after all the injuries and surgery.  Cheers

by yellowsnow on Apr 17, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

McNair
McNair is one of those guys that, rightfully or wrongfully, exemplifies an attribute that we hold dear in our pro sports players. In is case, it's toughness. Now, whatever his practice habits were or whatever reason it was he was injured (and he was, always, without fail), he still played.

So, the real question here is, does McNair belong in the Hall of Fame? Let's check the scoreboard:
Records broken or held: none.
Historical contribution to the game: none.
Super Bowl wins: none.
Outstanding stats: none.

The idea that McNair is a Hall Of Fame QB, much less a first ballot selection, is laughable. Out of every QB in the NFL today, only Brady and Manning are guaranteed first ballot HoFers. Eli and Big Ben could move up with prolonged success and another SB win each. Rivers, Palmer, and Romo would need outstanding stats and at least one SB win to enter the discussion.

Ultimately, McNair will be remembered as a good QB who played through pain that may have been due to his own poor conditioning. That's about it. Anything else is just hyperbole.

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by MonkeyBusiness on Apr 18, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Historical contribution-
Making teams think that running QBs can develop into good passers. Vick, Vince Young and Tavaris Jackson owe him a lot.
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by shake n bake on Apr 18, 2008 12:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes
Him and McNabb, but McNabb more so. He's simply a better QB than McNair.
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by BigBlueShoe on Apr 18, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Running Men
When I talk about historical contributions, I'm talking about something significant and historical, something that will be remembered long after a player has retired. Think Jackie Robinson. Or, for a more recent example, Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith.

People will look back and go "Tony Dungy was the first African American head coach to win a Super Bowl.". They'll look back and go "Steve McNair was a running QB who was a halfway decent passer." Sorry, but he fails the historical contribution test.

And Vick, Vince Young, Tavaris Jackson, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, Jamarcus Russell, and Jason Campbell, all of whom are described as "running QBs", have a combined 0 Super Bowl rings. Same as McNair. So, I'm not sure what McNair really contributed beyond adding "You can't win a Super Bowl with a running QB." to the "Defense wins championships, offense wins games" category. We can add it in as the McNair Corollary, if you'd like.

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by MonkeyBusiness on Apr 18, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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