Mike Florio makes up facts about Harrison incident, gets caught
PFT's Mike Florio is now presenting rumor as fact over at the Sporting News. His most recent article for the Sporting News, detailing the facts of the incident involving Marvin Harrison outside a bar, is riff with multiple errors that anyone really following the true facts of the investigation should know.
Again, to put it bluntly, Florio is writing rumor and conveying it as fact, only this time he's not doing it for his own blog. He's doing it for the Sporting News:
Harrison reportedly claimed the gun involved in the shooting never left his home but yet on the same day it turned up in a bucket at his car wash. If the reports are true, police detectives surely view everything Harrison now says with a strong dose of skepticism.
This statement is completely and utterly false, based on reports from the police and from the Philadelphia Daily News:
On Wednesday, detectives visited Harrison's garage and detail shop, which he purchased in 2006 for $200,000, according to tax records.
Sources said that Harrison had a Belgian firearm, an FN5.7, in his garage. Harrison handed the high-powered weapon - which fires armor-piercing rounds - over to investigators.
He then spent about four hours at Central Detectives, accompanied by his attorney, Jerome Brown.
Now, that's pretty significant fact, one that Mr. Florio seems to have missed as he continues to scurry for more insider "dirt" on the Harrison case. To say that police essentially "stumbled upon" the weapon is very different from the fact that Harrison turned it over.
The other error here is invoking the NFL's The Personal Conduct Policy. Florio states that if Harrison fired the gun or if someone else fired his gun, he is elligible for discipline under the policy:
The commission of a violent crime clearly is grounds for discipline, as is conduct that imposes "inherent risk" to the safety and well-being of another person. Shooting a man in the hand and sending five other bullets whizzing past him presumably would be enough to meet such a standard. Entrusting a gun to someone else who does the same thing could be a violation of the Personal Conduct Policy as well.
Not true, especially if self defense is the motive for firing the gun. If Roger Goodell wants ot try and suspend a player for defending himself against someone who, two weeks prior, was kicked out of the same bar for bad behavior, he better get ready for a suit from the Player's Union. This is especially true if Harrison didn't fire the gun. Suspending him for an act he did not even do makes absolutely no sense. Firing a gun in self defense is not illegal, and since Marvin Harrison has nothing on his record that indicates he is the kind of man who runs wildly into the street shooting at people, this explanation is reasonable.
This is likely why the NFL is being responsible and not saying anything until the facts of the case are revealed by the actual police detectives investigating the case, not the "Harvey the Rabbit sources" we readers keep hearing about. It's a shame writers like Mr. Florio are not as responsible.
The other thing that Mr. Florio likes to do (and for those who believe in due process and things like that, this should scare you) is jump to rash judgments before someone is even arrested or charged with a crime, let alone actually convicted:
Firing shots at someone else in public, complete with flying glass from one of the bullets striking and cutting a child, falls somewhere between 9 and 10 on the scale of the worst possible things an NFL player can do. Such behavior arguably is far worse than anything Jones, Vick, Chris Henry or Tank Johnson has done.
That said, it's unlikely that Goodell will act against Harrison before criminal charges (if any) against him are resolved. And given that Harrison reportedly still is having trouble with his knees, there is a chance he'll retire before he could be suspended.
Let's be clear about the facts here, because Mike Florio can't seem to get them straight (and for someone who is a lawyer in his day job, as Mr. Florio is, I express extreme concern for the clients he represents):
1) Marvin Harrison has not been charged with a crime. In fact, the police themselves have said he isn't even a suspect. So, writing an article which, essentially, states that Harrison is guilty, will go to jail, and will get suspended by Commissioner Goodell makes absolutely no sense.
2) Michael Vick and Tank Johnson were charged and pleaded guilty to their crimes. Vick, in particular, was suspended from the NFL for lying point blanc to Goodell's face. Pacman Jones has been involved in multiple off-the-field incidents that resulted in charges filed. Marvin Harrison hasn't been charged with anything and has cooperated fully with authorities who have questioned him. So, lumping him in with players like these is inappropriate and wrong at this point.
3) We don't know all the facts of the case because the police haven't officially released them. We've heard a lot of hearsay and rumor, much of which peddled by Mr. Florio. The fact that the injured party is not even willing to identify Marvin Harrison as the shooter speaks volumes as to how fragile this case is.
Could Marvin Harrison get charged? It's possible. It's also possible that Mike Florio will get fired from The Sporting News for botching up a pretty significant fact in an article presenting itself as providing facts on the incident. Does that mean it is appropriate for someone like me to start floating articles out there that Florio is getting the ax at TSN? No, of course not. Just as it is inappropriate for Florio to suggest Harrison will see jail time and suspension even though he isn't a suspect in the case (let alone charged or convicted).
He can do that over at PFT, but at the Sporting News I expect a different standard, and I hope their editors do to. Even people in Florio's comments area for the TSN article are killing him for his gaff:
Harrison voluntarily gave the gun to police. This was according to named police sources; more reliable than Johnny Anonymous' claims as reported by Angelo on WIP.
To recap, the Johnny Anonymous claimed:
-the shooting was outside the bar - wrong
-a two year old girl had glass in her eye - wrong
-Harrison hid the gun - wrong, wrong, wrong
-multiple witnesses were fingering Harrison as the shooter - wrong so far
Again, it is entirely possible that Marvin Harrison fired a gun at a man. But, since it is not proven (let alone charged as a crime), this kind of speculation is plain and simple bad journalism. And since Florio is writing this under The Sporting News' banner, he must be held accountable for this.
He can act like a "hack" all he wants at PFT. At the Sporting News, I expect some integrity and professionalism. I think their loyal readers do as well, and this type of "journalism" does not seem in line with those expectations.
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apparently has the “All-Turd team” which is written by Florio. It takes one to know one, hack.
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by Colts Homer on
May 7, 2008 6:36 PM EDT
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Tired of Bad Journalism
I’ve been reading the reports from all the major publications. I’m tired of writers writing crap. Florio, Prisco, Freeman, et al are pretty much set on his guilt. I’m just flat out tired of reading speculation passed off as fact. Before this, no one questioned Harrison’s integrity. Now all of a sudden, everyone’s an expert with an opinion. I haven’t read a single column where the author actually defends him. Peter King even had a jab in his MMQB. I thought he might at least be semi-objective.
Then there’s the threads. If I read one more Joe Fan calling Harrison a thug…Oh, and there’s always some Patriots fan bringing up Spygate and saying this hasn’t gotten as much attention Spygate did. I’m all for the First Amendment (and Second too, for that matter), but I’m just tired of reading crap and had to get this off my chest. We just need to wait and see how everything plays out.
by TouchdownMonkey on
May 7, 2008 6:36 PM EDT
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I don’t think Florio is in the right here. I don’t think he’s represented the story as accurately as he could. I don’t think that’s really what he ever seeks to do, since we both know it is and has been his MO to speculate and to focus on rumors. That has made him an enormously popular writer.
What I take offense to is your tone towards him in this instance, because what you’re accusing him of doing could have very drastic consequences for all of us bloggers. You understand that Florio is not REPORTING for The Sporting News. The article you link to is a BLOG. He happens to be a legal analyst for TSN. But the particular bit of writing you are sourcing is a BLOG. Our own David Halprin wrote for the NY Times BLOG. Chris Cooley writes for Yahoo Sports BLOG. Many of our colleagues write for AOL Fanhouse, which happens to be a BLOG network under AOL Sports.
What you are demanding is that people like you and I should be “held accountable” for our thoughts in BLOGS that happen to be with major sources. First, what do you mean by “held accountable”? Do you think TSN should fire him (I suspect you do)?
Your crusade against Florio worries me. You might be right about him. You might be right about Marvin Harrison. But if you argue too effectively that BLOGGERS like Florio, due to mere association with, say, The Sporting News, are held to the same standard as journalists in their OPINION BLOGS, it’s not too long until you and I are held to that standard as well.
I depend on others to do the reporting I use for content. Sometimes that reporting is source unnamed. We need them, and I view this as an instance of biting the hand that feeds too aggressively.
by Skin Patrol on
May 7, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
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With all due respect Skin
but you’re dead wrong.
His posting for the Sporting News is not listed or presented as a blog entry. It is presented as an article on an online “publication,” which means (in my mind) it is subject to journalistic scrutiny. Yes, I know it says “SportingBlog” on next to his profile, but if you read his profile it does not say anything about him being a blogger. If it is indeed a blog entry, then Florio should have an actual BLOG on TSN, and should be called a blogger. This was an “Expert Analysis” article, as the front page of TSN states. It does not look like a blog, nor is it presented like one. It’s presented as an “experts” opinion on something, which means it must be held accountable if it misrepresents facts, as Florio clearly has done.
By accountable I mean that if writers who are “experts” misstate or misrepresent facts, their employers should act by either correcting those facts immediately, apologizing to readers for having those facts misstated or misrepresented, and then (if necessary) re-evaluate whether someone lke Florio (a legal “expert” who can’t seem to get legal facts correct about a legal matter) is a credible person to write for TSN.
If I was a football expert for TSN and I made erroneous facts about games, players, or moments, I would expect equal scrutiny.
If a blogger is asked to write articles (and that is indeed what Florio is writing here, I don’t care how they try and window dress it) then yes, they must be held to some kind of journalistic standard when expressing their opinions, especially if those opinions are based on factually incorrect information. It’s not like Florio didn’t know about the Philly Daily News article stating Harrison surrendered the weapon. He talked about it days ago on PFT. So, he read the article but decided to ignore a very key fact.
Blogger or not, that is incredibly inappropriate.
We rail against big media for misrepresenting facts and getting it wrong all the time. It would be hypocritical if we did not hold ourselves to the same standard when we venture outside the blog realm, which Florio clearly did when taking the job for TSN. And using unnamed sources, in particular sources that aren’t your own, to report facts on a case involving people injured with hand gun is very serious. If I were hired by the NY Times or TSN as a football analyst and printed a story stated (in a serious tone) that Tom Brady is gay because of a recent story that he wanted to put on a Wonder Woman costume (check out The Big Lead for the “scoop”), then that would be inappropriate and I would expect to be held accountable.
Florio should be held accountable for misstating facts, and TSN should take a long look at whether their legal “expert” is indeed an expert at all if he is doing so.
Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.
by BigBlueShoe on
May 7, 2008 7:41 PM EDT
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His posting for the Sporting News is not listed or presented as a blog entry. It is presented as an article on an online "publication," which means (in my mind) it is subject to journalistic scrutiny.
Check your own link. At the top it says “SportingBlog”. You click on Sporting Blog and, low and behold, there’s the exact same piece of work under the title:
Florio’s SportingBlog
It was “posted” on May 7th, which is the colloquial term for blogs. You say it was presented as an “online publication”... where? Publication/publish is mentioned nowhere on the link. The article is presented as a blog here. Essentially it is no different from an opinion column which, as you well know, aren’t subject to the same strictures of reporting journalism (because they aren’t reporting).
By accountable I mean that if writers who are "experts" misstate or misrepresent facts, their employers should act by either correcting those facts immediately, apologizing to readers for having those facts misstated or misrepresented, and then (if necessary) re-evaluate whether someone lke Florio (a legal "expert" who can’t seem to get legal facts correct about a legal matter) is a credible person to write for TSN.
I don’t know what to tell you besides there isn’t anything untoward about an opinion columnist relying on an ESPN/AP article. And, by the way, ESPN is standing by their story, updated today here, emphasis added:
Six of the bullet casings found after an April 29 shooting near Marvin Harrison’s car wash and garage came from a gun that belongs to the Colts wide receiver, Philadelphia police sources told ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio.
You or I could rely on that story in an opinion column. Michael Wilbon could rely on that story in an opinion column. Either Mike Florio writes at the TSN blog (yes) or he opines for the TSN as an analyst but, either way, he is perfectly legitimate relying on that story. Here’s what else the CURRENT ESPN article says:
However, WIP’s source said the gun was discovered in a bucket at the car wash, and tests showed that it had fired seven bullets that matched those found at the scene.
You obviously have an issue with that reporting. But that is a complaint you have with ESPN, not Mike Florio, who, once more, is entitled to depend on ESPN no more or less than you or I. Question those reports, sure, but that doesn’t mean you or I or Florio should face sanctions when we repeat stories from reputable media sources… that happen to be wrong.
And using unnamed sources, in particular sources that aren’t your own, to report facts on a case involving people injured with hand gun is very serious.
Seriously useful, I agree. I do it once a week. You’re now accusing me of being an irresponsible blogger. Since I am not out in the field reporting, I depend on news sources for the news, unsurprisingly, and sometimes the news is unnamed. I have no problem repeating the Washington Post if their only source is unnamed, since they’re the ones with their credibility on the line. Where does it end, Brad? That READERS be held accounable for READING an unnamed source? If I represent to a friend of mine in conversaion tha I think a WaPo article hat cites o unnamed sources is correct, am I being irresponsible? Aren’t people enitled to reach conclusions about news articles?
If I were hired by the NY Times or TSN as a football analyst and printed a story stated (in a serious tone) that Tom Brady is gay because of a recent story that he wanted to put on a Wonder Woman costume (check out The Big Lead for the "scoop"), then that would be inappropriate and I would expect to be held accountable.
Oh yea, and that’s drastically different from calling a guy racist just for hiring a white coach.
I’m not the one advocating for opining restraint, since I think part of what we do, as bloggers, is opine (especially during the looooong offseason). And, as a reader of your site for years now, I know that you also have never exhibited much restraint in speculation and opinion on matters you think are important. That’s why it troubles me to see you champion this crusade against Florio, essentially demanding of him (and by association us, at some point) an unfairly high standard.
by Skin Patrol on
May 7, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
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Regarding the entire layout issue, if the problem is that TSN didn’t properly label a blog post as such, isn’t your complaint with TSN, really? Supposing they don’t punish Florio, will you hold it forever against TSN? I love watching you get royally indignant towards everyone, so I just want to make sure this never ends.
by Skin Patrol on
May 7, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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It's not just Florio
ESPN was all over the exact same details. There’s a whole lot of bad reporting going on here. Florio is only part of it.
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by shake n bake on
May 7, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
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Because there’s no other benefit to having a powerful gun and only police wear body armor. It’s totally impossible for anyone besides police to wear body armor. Especially not some dumbass with an assault rifle, three handguns and half a bottle of vodka.
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by shake n bake on
May 7, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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Don't Tell the Colts Haters That
Simple logic does not mix well with irrational haters. I read comments on ESPN articles just to get kicks out of how dumb people are. If anyone gets a bad grade on an exam, they should read those articles and realize that there are hundreds of other idiots in the country.
I don’t see how there will ever be a clear suspect in this case with the lack of witnesses and so much conflicting information. I do not think that Marvin will miss anytime next year because of it. Scratch that. I GUARANTEE IT!
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by Colts Homer on
May 7, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
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Florio bashes Radio Host for making up better rumors
Regarding the Marvin Harrison situation, Eskins had this to say: "I have heard many things about Marvin and I am shocked. I don’t want to get into it but it shocks me. I’ve heard too many things, I heard things which shocked me."I do know this," Eskins added, "somebody he knows had $10,000 confiscated. He went back to the police station and said, that’s my money. . . . Two detectives have told me that. I don’t want to get into it any deeper. Doesn’t that present a lot of questions to you, too?
"I’ve heard things. You’d like not to believe the things you hear, because . . . he has been portrayed as a poster child of the NFL."
Eskin provided no facts, no details, no substance. Instead, he hid behind "things he’s heard" and painted a very sinister portrait of a man who to date has never been charged with a crime.
How are those statements from Eskin any different from the worst of the stuff that bloggers post? Should Harrison justifiably be livid of this generalized assassination of his character and reputation by Eskin?
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by shake n bake on
May 8, 2008 8:37 AM EDT
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