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The lowdown on this dumb Brett Favre wanting to return to Green Bay fiasco

My opinion here is skewed because, like millions of people in America, I love Brett Favre and want to see him play NFL football again. And right now, because snarky, hateful commentary will get you hits, there is a lot of anti-Favre backlash on the Internet. Most of it is from people who either don't like football (like most of the writers at AOL Fanhouse, who rarely, if every, write anything positive about the game of football) or people who had hang-ups about Favre before he "retired."

This basically means one can dismiss pretty much all the anti-Favre backlash as simpleminded hate and deep seeded resentment for a great player whose sin is not knowing when to retire. That done, we can move on to addressing the problem here.

To spin this back towards the Colts a bit (since this is, first and foremost, a Colts community blog), I agree with 18 to 88; this is not how you are supposed to retire:

I know Peyton is way to classy to ever pull this crap, but let the Favre drama be a lesson to all future HOF quarterbacks.

Like all good Americans, I like and appreciate Brett Favre because there are certain plays only he can make. But the madness needed to stop a long time ago. Don't get me wrong I think the Packers are crazy not to make another run with Favre, but I can't blame them for wanting to tell him to get lost.

It's also worth noting that it was Peyton Manning who, many moons ago, called this.

I too can see Packers management's issue with letting Favre back into the fold, but the mess that has been made out of all this falls more squarely on the shoulders of Packers GM Ted Thompson than it does on Favre. Keep in mind, Favre is not blameless in all this, but his sin is one of bad timing. Thompson is the one acting like a full fledged jerk and is seemingly placing the blame on Favre. Dumb move, Ted. Dumb, dumb move.

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As we get into the gory details, let's come out and say it: The Packers have zero chance to win a championship this season with Aaron Rodgers at QB. If Packers fans or coaches feel different, they are idiots. It is literally that simple. Brett Favre, at 38, is a top 5 NFL QB. I don't care how good Aaron Rodgers looked losing to the Dallas Cowboys late last year.

Top 5 QB v. backup who has never shown anything. Pretty easy math.

The person who has best summed up this whole farce is CBS Sports' Gregg Doyel. If the issue here is the Packers have moved on without Favre, and in doing so have named Aaron Rodgers the QB, then why the hell did they draft back in April highly touted Louisville QB Brian Brohm with a second round pick? From Doyel:

And I don't want to hear a word, not one lousy syllable, about the plight of poor old Aaron Rodgers, the theoretical heir to Favre's throne in Green Bay. Apparently none of the "woe is Rodgers" crowd has received the memo: The Packers already have removed this guy's testicles. Rodgers is a eunuch, and he hasn't even started his first game for the Packers. Green Bay drafted not one but two quarterbacks in April, when they were sure Favre was out of the picture. What does that tell you? It tells you they're not sure Aaron Rodgers is the answer at quarterback.

The "testicles" line is LOL funny, especially from a CBS Sports columnist. Thompson has come out recently and said that Aaron Rodgers is the starter, but if Brett Favre wants to come to Packers training camp, he can... as a back-up.

I'm sorry, but does this sound like the dumbest idea or what?

This is not like San Francisco circa 1991, when an aged and injured Joe Montana wanted to come back and start over a proven rising star in Steve Young. Also, since when does the GM announce the starting QB? Isn't that, like, the head coach's job to determine who is best to QB his team, and who should start? If you want insight into Thompson's way of doing things in GB, look no further than that. I mean, suppose Favre calls Thompson's bluff (which he likely will), and shows up to training camp. In camp, and likely in all the pre-season games, Favre will destroy Rodgers in the drills, practices, and scrimmages. He will clearly be the better QB, because he is.

Will Rodgers still be Green Bay's designated starter?

If he is, Packers ownership better fire Thompson right now, because stupidity of that kind is best left running your neighborhood Applebees and not our city's football team. Thompson should also kick himself for moving ahead when not everything was finalized with Favre's retirement. Yes, there was a press conference. Yes, Favre repeated he was retired even after a March incident where Favre expressed a desire to return. One detail lost in all this is Favre never signed his retirement papers.

Until those papers are signed, Ted, the player isn't really retired.

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And, just to re-iternate Doyel's point, the one person people should have ZERO sympathy for is Aaron Rodgers. The guy fell like a stone in the 2005 draft, and he has been paid first round QB money to carry a clipboard. Oh, the humanity! The fear mongers sometimes counter that if Rodgers does not start this season, he won't re-sign with GB when he's a free agent in 2009.

Um, so what!

If management really had that kind of faith in Rodgers' ability, they wouldn't have drafted Brian Brohm. If they did have that kind of faith, they shouldn't have drafted Brian Brohm. You don't draft QBs in the second round as back-ups. You draft those guys to start. Doyel says it best:

Favre decided to come back, which is his right. He asked for his release, which also is his right. The Packers, bless their steely hearts, refused Favre's request to be released, and then on Saturday announced Favre was more than welcome to return to the NFL as a Green Bay Packer ... second-stringer.

This is what you call "cutting off your nose to spite your face." Brett Favre is wishy-washy, but he's the best quarterback the Packers have, and he's the best quarterback they have by a long shot. If they want to win now, they turn the team over to Favre. As for Aaron Rodgers, he's so important to the Packers in the long term that they spent a second-round pick on a quarterback.

This stuff isn't that hard.

In the end, we know how this is going to go: Favre will return and play QB for the Packers. He will start for them. Whether or not Ted Thompson wants this to happen is moot at this point. The fans have spoken. Soon, the players will. And, if they do, the consensus will be for Favre. If it gets to that point, Thompson will have a mutiny on his hands. It won't though. Thompson's stupid, but not THAT dumb.

The simple solution to this problem is this the following:

  • Welcome Brett Favre back with open arms. Apologize for any misunderstanding, perceived or not. Apologize to the fans, because people don't take too kindly to executives pissing on their favorite players.
  • Make Brett commit to two years (2008 and 2009). Tell him this whole back-and-forth is killing the franchise and giving you ulcers. Two years, and then that's it.
  • Trade. Aaron. Rodgers. Now. Teams like the Chiefs, Jets, and Redskins are in desperate need of a QB. A team like the Chiefs would likely consider giving up a first or second round pick for Rodgers. Again, it's not like he's your franchise or anything. If he is (or was), why did you draft Brohm?

These solutions solidify Green Bay's QB situation for the short (Favre) and long term (Brohm), and immediately elevate the Packers to contenders once again. If Thompson is stupid and wants to play hardball with the greatest player ever to play in Green Bay, then I wish him well. That's a losing battle. As a fan, I will remind him that his #1 job is to field the very best team possible to win.

If the Packers want to win now or next year, it is with Brett Favre.

Stringing this along in this way is both silly and displays poor management. I agree with Gregg Doyel: Let the man play. He's flawed. His timing is bad. He probably could have handled this better. But as poorly as Favre has handled this, it is nothing to the screw-up Thompson has managed to do. The solution to this fiasco is simple. All it requires is Thompson to shut up, swallow his ego, and do what is right for the team and community. Bring Brett back, and move forward with winning in 2008.

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I like this idea of making Brett commit to 2 years and trading Rodgers.

On the other hand, I’m a Louisville fan, so I may be slightly biased in favor of Brian Brohm over Aaron Rodgers.

by hartley on Jul 15, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What on earth would make anyone think that Brett could commit to playing two years? He won’t even commit 100% to playing this year

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by verno329 on Jul 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FAVRE RETIRES?

Before the Colts came to Indy I was a Packer fan and was right there watching every game on TV but this has gone way out there.

The fact is Brett has brought a lot of this if not all of it on himself,with the last 3 years of “I don’t know if I want to keep playing” and then this past season coming out and saying he WAS retiring.

After his soap opera interview last night it just made me more convinced it was time for him to go. It seems that Brett has the illusion that he is also GM and HC of the team (no wonder he threw all those INT’s with that on his mind) by telling Thompson and McCarthy who to hire,even having the nerve to try to tell Thompson who to hire for HC.

For us that have followed the Packers over the years it is no secret why Brett was trying to influence Thompson on who to hire, it’s been a well known fact that with the previous coaching staff that was there Brett more or less had the run of the place with very little to none OTA’s and very little precipitation at training camps.

Is it any wonder that since Thompson took over and enforced more participation in the work outs and acquired new and better players that the win lost % has went in favor of the winning side.

The bottom line IMO is Brett has found out he hasn’t the control he had grown accustom to and even though they told him when they were trying to get him to say one way or the other if he was coming back that he wouldn’t have to take as many rep’s and snaps as he had previous season in Brett’s mind he doesn’t think he should be made to work out like the other team mates that and I also think that his body is starting to tell on him when made to do the intense workouts.

by Ufanforreal on Jul 15, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Manning also lobbied to keep Edge

I think it’s sort of the same thing. And I think it is an all-right thing to do. To ask your superior for certain additions to the staff. Then TT screwed Favre all-over by telling the public something else. But then again, why didn’t Favre just tell so years ago?

It seems to me that Favre doesn’t lack timing – well, he does but not as much as – he lacks maturity. He was given a 3 months deadline(NFCCG to the Draft), and he handled the situation the worst possible way.

I don’t know if you guys have heard that Favre actually told GB’s O-line coach, on an almost daily basis 1(since the 20th of June) that he wasn’t coming back, and then he DEMANDS to come back the 8th of July. The Packers had also everything set up back in March. A private plane was about to go to Missisippi, and fly Favre in for a press conference announcing his Comeback. But then HE screwed the packers up and down, by telling them he had changed his mind – again. Hopefully, Manning will be that much mature when he decides to call it a career.

by jocre on Jul 16, 2008 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is nothing wrong with him lobbying to get his friend and teammate to come back. I would want him to do that. But Peyton didn’t bash his GM publicly and say he couldn’t trust him because he didn’t do as he wishes like Brett did.

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Jul 17, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let him throw some more picks.

I am not a Favre fan. We play G-Bay this year, and if Favre starts, I look forward to our secondary picking him apart. nobody knows when to throw a big pick like Favre. His timing for it is impeccable. The guy is in a downward trend, in a trough, and one good season isn’t going to change that his twilight years were really “just okay.” In my mind he is one of the most overrated QB’s ever. Nobody has really had anything positive to say about Favre’s production for nigh on 3 years, and yes, last year there was a resurgence against a pathetic conference and an even more pathetic NFC (as a whole.) Let’s all hang our hats on that one, shall we? It’s pathetic to see someone waffle like this guy does, turn on the water works, and then come back. At the very least, he is a big crybaby!

i agree that he is the Pack’s best shot at being winners. Undoubtedly, but talk about damaging your personal brand with the rest of the NFL universe! It’s hysterical to see this opera go on, and who really loses? The fans!!! Thanks Brett! I would be cynical if even the Godhead Manning played this way. Once Brett loses the consecutive start streak he will be eclipsed on a level of totality rarely seen before. Marino may not have a Super Bowl, but no one will be chasing Favre’s ghost, (like they will always chase Marino’s) after Manning beats it. Bow down Brett.

Apologies to my Stampede Blue friends, but give me a break on this guy! Yikes! I thought we were all admirers of character here. Favre is displaying the same kind of character that Chad Johnson, shows, or TO. Why are we making an exception here? He has a contract, if he doesn’t want to play there, he can sit out. It’s pathetic. he thinks his different! He’s screwing his team and the fans and going for self. Period. PS He’s overrated and I had no Favre bone to pick before this story.

by peterbones on Jul 15, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brohm

I personally don’t think the Brohm pick carries any weight at all. The Packers figured they were getting a steal taking a guy who at one point was a top 10 prospect in the second round. They did the same thing with Rodgers when they took him late in the first round in 2005. Drafting Rodgers then wasn’t a gelding-izing move to Brett Favre. It was a smart insurance pick. The same goes with the Brohm pick.

Without a quality backup, no one is in training camp challenging Rodgers and the Packers are scrambling to sign Jeff George at the season’s midpoint.

by DoTheMathis98 on Jul 15, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the problem with trading Rodgers

is that they invested 3 years in him and will have nothing at QB when Favre does eventually retire.

Also, GB isn’t winning the SB or even going to the SB with Favre either.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 15, 2008 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

They’ll have to stay home and watch the Vikings, Bears or Redskins represent the NFC in February.

by coltsfanawalt on Jul 16, 2008 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry’s right. Green Bay isn’t going to the Super Bowl this season or next season.

So here’s the big question. Knowing that, realistically, you’re not making the Super Bowl, and if you do are a long shot to win it, do you start Favre and destroy Rodgers’ confidence and trade him, or do you start Rodgers, see if he sinks or swims, and then let it work itself out?

Personally, I think the Packers either need to trade Rodgers now, get a first or second round pick for him, start Favre for two years, and let Brohm be his heir apparent, or sit Brett’s ass on the bench until Rodgers becomes a known quantity.

On a related note, the NFC playoffs will look like such:
NFC North: Vikings
NFC South: Saints
NFC East: Cowboys
NFC West: Seattle
Wildcard: Giants
Wildcard: Redskins

I’m predicting a Vikings-Saints NFC Championship. Colts-Saints Super Bowl.

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by MonkeyBusiness on Jul 16, 2008 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cognitive dissonance

“Terry’s right.”

Words make no sense… cannot compute… brain spinning inside cranial cavity… room growing dark… AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

by ctnyc on Jul 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NFC Playoffs

East – Cowboys (despite my badgering of Terry)
North – Vikings
South – (Who Cares) Saints
West – Seahawks (by default. Seattle is good, no one else is)
Wildcards – Redskins and Packers

NFC Championship – Cowboys @ Vikings
Super Bowl – Colts defeat Vikings

Any errors won’t matter in the end. Same final outcome. Colts win it all.

by coltsfanawalt on Jul 17, 2008 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can guarantee you one thing

there is absolutely no way Jackson beats the Cowboys in the playoffs, just not going to happen.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 18, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Favre is either selfish or oblivious or both

I’m siding with the Packer’s GM on this. I think Favre should stop acting like the victim here. He is really messing up the team’s offseason and draft for a couple of years now. Last year, he waited until after the draft to tell them he was returning. This year he waits until July after he announced he was retired?!?WTF? Does he expect everyone to yell from the rooftops “Thank God for Brett!!” Should the Pack throw away all of the post-Favre changes they’ve made since March and go back to the his old system? I know I would be a little pissed if I worked hard for 4 months and then was told to scrap all of my work.

Then there is Favre’s whole “playing the victim” routine. He created the situation, yet he is the victim. He is the little boy crying “Wolf!” every year. Maybe a public spanking would help him since he is acting like a spoiled child.

Favre makes some amazing plays, but he is so wild that it has cause a coach heartburn. For the last several years, Favre has been in decline although he looked pretty good last year up until that playoff game. It would be interesting to look back over the last 4 years and see how many games Favre threw a late interception in, when the game was close. I’m not sure what the number is, but it seems like it would be high.

I don’t really blame the Packer fans for their loyalty to Favre. That kind of admiration leads fans to not see the shortcomings of their idols.

P.S. I saw on the local news here that Favre has been practicing with high school kids to keep in shape, so expect a lot of under thrown balls this year if he finds a team to play for.

by SeattleColt on Jul 16, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brett is lying about something

At his retirement press conference he said that Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy did not force his to make a decision and that it was “from the heart.” Now he is saying that he was pressured to make a hasty decision he wasn’t prepared to make. So either he was lying then or he is lying now.

The Packers certainly could have handled this better than they have but Brett is FAR from blameless.

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Jul 17, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My son's name is Brett.

He was born in ‘98, and all girls since have kept the Peyton option shelved. Point is, I have always been a big Brett Favre fan.

Having said that, he is disappointing me. The way he has handled his possible retirement the past three years has grown from bad to awful. He is the face of that franchise, and they have loved him and strived to accomodate his prior wishes. This year he said he was retiring, they drafted another potentially excellent QB, and moved on. Now this.

Jordan, Rice, Smith, others. They played till they were only a shell of themselves and left younger fans wondering what was so great about them. Hang them up, Brett. You have had a great carreer, and you are a first ballot hall-of-famer. Your last game was an NFC Championship game that went to overtime against the team who won the superbowl. It won’t get better than that this year. Just ride off into the sunset, Cowboy.

by coltsfanawalt on Jul 17, 2008 2:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

screw favre and his 5836582734686 interceptions

brett favre is NOT a top 5 qb anymore. (brady, palmer, manning, mcnabb, brees, rivers, garrad, roethlisberger, bulger… maybe even the younger manning and jeff garcia…. vince young – just kidding.) also, his resurgence last year may very well have due to being surrounded by so much good, young talent. you know, the talent that ted tompson drafted.

by saintnixon on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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