I demand good argument for proper discourse. How dare I do that?

Perhaps you are the one in need of “getting over yourself,” my friend (or should I say, “Your majesty,” to make yourself feel better), because if you read my criticisms closely, they are directed solely towards BigBlueShoe. My mentioning of the entire blog is because I feel it is “unfortunate” that he, as a main contributer, puts what amounts to personal crap on the main space, not that the whole lot of people here do the same. Of course, reading your response (as well as some of your other ones here), I can safely say he has attracted more of his own kind at least in one respect.

Is Vince “my” QB? I can forgive this, because I only clarified this to BBS on my response to him on MCM, but I’m not a Titans fan. I’m a Horns fan who follows Texas players in the NFL, and thus, while I cheer for Vince, I no longer have a personal stake in the matter of his success. His contributions to Texas are much appreciated and I’m a big fan of his, but if he ultimately does not work out in the NFL, it changes nothing about his college accomplishments in which I DO have a stake in. So again, I won’t hold this against you because I did not clarify this in my post. Nonetheless, my criticisms of BBS and his like (which again, apparently includes you) has more to do with his method of argument than it is his actual criticisms, a few of which are legitimate, which is something you would have caught if again, you were reading closely. But go ahead, resort to ad hominem arguments and ignore points being made. Hopefully, not all the regulars here do the same, or your interpretation of my post will be rather close to the truth indeed.

A big yawn here as well. It is tiring debating cogently with those who are unable to do so.

-My implication was that BBS spends an inordinate amount of time bashing VY, writing long columns that are essentially the same. Is that most of the content? Of course not. It’s still a large amount of time and space dedicated to one player. Indeed, his own words, “We’ve talked about ole Vince many times here at Stampede Blue, mainly because we enjoy being right.” Which roles right into the next point, which I think is obvious to most people who come to visit this blog: What he’s doing is not simple criticism. Criticism is fine, especially when it regards a rival player. However, making sweeping statements about VY for being dumb (for his wishy-washy explanation of his “retirement”), for being a whiner, and for being lazy have departed from actual football content into his personal opinion of Vince, which at best lack support. And really, Vince is dumb for his bad explanation? How many people have said one thing and tried to explain it away? I’m not defending him, nor am I calling him a genius; I’m merely pointing out how much of a leap it is to go from an unsatisfactory explanation of this overblown “retirement” talk to him being a retard. I find it an obvious logical flaw. Of course, he is entitled to his opinion, just as anyone is. That doesn’t mean it can’t be criticized itself.

-I would disagree that BBS is basically saying “VY may turn out good.” He’s basically lining up reasons why Vince has sucked, and will for the foreseeable future, by calling him stupid, lazy, and whiny, and also pointing out how he can’t run without getting killed and can’t throw with velocity or accuracy (hardly an analysis of Vince’s possible success). My assessment of his post is that in his harsh criticisms of VY, he is simply throwing the obligatory “But he’s such a talented athlete” stuff that will help him save face if and when Vince does become, at least in his eyes, a better pocket passer. I’d find it better if he flat out said which is obvious: That he believes VY is a draft bust. If VY turns out that way, then he got it right. If not, then he can just say he was wrong and that’s that. Sports matters can be tricky to predict, and he won’t be the first or last to be wrong about something (I’ve been wrong about plenty of things). So I simply don’t share your view on his post; you think he’s giving VY a chance, I think he’s saying the typical “great athlete” stuff in afterthought to avoid looking absolutely wrong if Vince succeeds.

-My rhetorical question to BBS was not to be literally taken as he was the first to think it up. Obviously he wasn’t. It’s just an expression for how unique he apparently thinks his analysis is: “Somehow, I doubt Titans fans will say ‘BBS was right’ if Vince indeed becomes a good pocket passer.” In any case, I agree that some Titans fans, at least for this upcoming season, seem to have unreasonable statistical expectations of Vince (something to the tune of 30+ TD’s), but in my experience talking with people who cheer and follow VY (obviously a lot in Austin), it’s not big news that Vince needs to improve in that area. The fact that people bring it up like it’s breaking news, on a constant basis, and and making it personal, gets a bit annoying.

-As far as me making sweeping generalizations, I will reiterate what I believed to be rather obvious logical flaws. I’ll also concede that since my post was not directed towards anyone but BBS, I assumed he knew about the things I and others pointed out elsewhere on MCM. For instance, his bad arguing would be ignoring questions such as “Who would you rather face: VY or Kerry Collins?” when he states that Collins is a better QB. He was called out for falsely saying Bob Sanders injured Vince’s quad when it was a pulled muscle instead. He said Vince was “getting killed” for trying to run so much, offering no evidence for this while others pointed out otherwise. Again, you did not know this information, so I understand how you might feel that I was making sweeping generalizations about BBS’s arguments. If you thought I was making generalizations about this blog, refer to my response to Mr. King. My response was to BBS alone, and I made no other conclusions on others until KingRichard showed up. However, I do feel that certain leaps of logic are obvious, such as the aforementioned leap to Vince’s stupidity to another leap stemming from an article about Vince being suspended for a preseason game meaning “laziness.”

-I would take your argument to mean, “Those that point out classlessness have no class.” Sorry, I don’t follow that reasoning at all. Again, I think few would consider it “classy” when seeing BBS’s posts here and his responses at MCM. This is just a simple observation. Ending his pieces with “But Vince is so talented” doesn’t change the fact he wrote a bunch of garbage just to create a spitting contest.