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Shake's Fantasy Rankings

With the Stampede Blue Shakedown, and New Era Scouting fantasy football league drafts complete I can release my rankings to help anyone drafting in the last week and a half before the opener. Rankings are based off of Pro Football Prospectus' player projections (adjusted in a few places I thought were out of whack) and I recommend using the scarcity and variation study and opportunity cost drafting strategy outlined by Brian Burke at Advanced NFL Stats.

Based on the scoring used in the New Era Scouting league (most recent draft similar but not identical scoring to the Stampede Blue leagues).

Ranking after the jump.

Star-divide

QBs (broken into a new tier when there is a 5pt drop in projected season total to the next player or 10 point drop from the start of the tier)

  • 1. P Manning
  • 2. Brady
  • 3 Brees
    4McNabb
  • 5 Garrard
    6 Romo
    7 Roethlisb
  • 8 Rodgers
    9 Jackson
    10 Rivers
    11 Palmer
  • 12 Favre
    13 Garcia
    14 Hasselbeck
    15 Anderson
    16 Cutler
    17 Schaub
    18 Bulger
  • 19 Delhomme
    20 E Manning
  • 21 Croyle
  • 22 Kitna
    23 Alex Smith
    24 Pennington
  • 25 Campbell
    26 Russel
    27 Warner
    28 O'Sullivan
    29 Ryan
    30 Young
  • 31 Edwards

Massive Drop-off

  • 32 Orton
    33 Boller

RBs (tiered same as before)

  • 1 Tomlinson
  • 2 Westbrook
  • 3 Peterson
  • 4 Jackson
  • 5 Lynch
  • 6 Addai
    7 Grant
    8 Graham
    9 Jones-Drew
    10 Maroney
  • 11 L Johnson
    12 Jacobs
    13 Portis
    14 McFadden
  • 15 Gore
    16 MBIII
    17 R Brown
    18 Lewis
    19 Mendenhall
  • 20 F Taylor
    21 McGahee
    22 Chris Johns
    23 Parker
  • 24 James
    25 Bush
    26 S Young
    27 T Jones
    28 DeAnglo W
  • 29 L White
    30 C Taylor
  • 31 J Stewart
    32 K Smith
  • 33 J Jones
    34 Forte
  • 35 C Brown
    36 F Jones

Big Drop-Off

  • 37 R Johnson
    38 Norwood
    39 Turner
  • 40 Fargas
    41 Bradshaw
    42 A Green
  • 43 P Thomas

Big Drop-Off

  • 44 Ray Rice
  • 45 R Williams
  • 46 Deuce M
    47 Foster

WRs (Same tiering)

  • 1 R Moss
  • 2 Owens
  • 3 Wayne
    4 A Johnson
  • 5 Burress
    6 Holmes
    7 Colston
  • 8 Edwards
    9 Fitzgerald
    10 C Johns (CIN)
  • 11 A Gonzalez
    12 Galloway
  • 13 S. Smith
    14 Jennings
  • 15 Evans
    16 Berrian
    17 Driver
    18 Welker
    19 White
    20 Harrison
    21 Houshmanzadeh
    22 Holt
    23 R Williams (DET)
  • 24 Marshall
    25 Porter
    26 Boldin
  • 27 Chambers
  • 28 B Johnson
  • 29 S Moss
    30 Bowe
    31 C Johns (DET)
    32 Coles
    33 Ginn
    34 Cotchery
  • 35 Gage
    36 Stallworth
    37 V Jackson
    38 Toomer
    39 Hackett
  • 40 Burleson
    41 Bruce
    42 Ward
    43 J Jones
  • 44 Clayton (BAL)
    45 Mason
    46 L Robinson
  • 47 Crayton
    48 Bennet
    49 R. Williams (TEN)
    50 Rice
    51 Randle El
  • 52 Walker
    53 Booker
    54 Patten
    55 Wilford
  • 56 Gaffney
    57 Hagan
    58 Curry
  • 59 D Williams
    60 Muhammad
    61 Meachem
    62 McCareins
    63 S Smith (NY)
    64 C Taylor
    65 Bryant
  • 66 Branch
    67 Hester
    68 Hardy
  • 69 D Jackson

TEs

  • 1 Gates
  • 2 Witten
    3 Winslow

Big Drop-Off

  • 4 Gonzalez
  • 5 Clark

Big Drop-Off

  • 6 Cooley
  • 7 Daniels
    8 Shockey
    9 H Miller
  • 10 McMichael
    11 Heap
    12 Watson
    13 V Davis
  • 14 D Lee
    15 Crumpler
    16 Olsen
    17 Z Miller
    18 Scheffler
    19 Carlson
  • 20 Shiancoe
    21 Keller
    22 Lewis
    23 LJ Smith
    24 Des Clark
  • 25 Utecht
    26 A Smith
    27 Scaife
    28 King
  • 29 Fasano
    30 Royal
    31 Boss
  • 32 Graham
    33 Pope
    34 Walker
  • 35 F Davis

D/K

  • There really isn't a ton a variance. The value just slowly drops at a pretty consistent rate. I never take a D or Kicker before the 2nd to last round in a draft with no IDPs.

With the projected point totals I got from PFP's projections adapted to the league scoring let me use the strategy Brian Burke talked about in the link above. In each player row in my spreadsheet I have columns that list the dropoff 2, 4, 6, 8, 12 and 14 players down at each position. I estimate the number of players at that position that will be taken at that position before my next pick and look to that column. The player with the biggest dropoff in that column has the best value.

If you want a copy of the spreadsheet I used for the NES draft e-mail me and I'll hook you up (click my name at the top to get to my profile which has my e-mail). And no you can't have the spreadsheet with the PFP projections now. It has my 18 to 88 league rankings and even if I deleted them it would be very quick to rebuild that formula from the projections and league scoring.

As a final note, the projections from Football Outsiders which I used have been far better at predicting declines than calling breakouts. They are the circling vultures on the guys they don't project highly, but their breakout players are hit and miss.

Hopefully this will help a few of you in your late drafts. Good Luck.

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I stopped reading when I noticed you hadn’t ranked Marion Barber in the RBs.

by eltharion_doa on Aug 26, 2008 5:47 AM EDT reply actions  

He is listed under MBIII.

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Aug 26, 2008 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The problem being, he is listed way too low as well. There’s no way I’m drafting Larry Johnson, Jones-Drew, Earnest Graham, Laurence Maroney, or Darren McFadden before MBIII.

I need to stop reading this list.

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Aug 26, 2008 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or is it Lawrence? Meh, he sucks regardless.

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Aug 26, 2008 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not only that, but why would you list McNabb higher than Romo? McNabb has no one to throw to except Westbrook.
Clinton Portis and Frank Gore way too low on that list as well.
And there is no reason why Witten should be second to Antonio Gates. Witten is clearly better.
Anthony Gonzalez is way too high, Joey Galloway is way too high…

Let’s just say I don’t agree with a majority of this list.

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Aug 26, 2008 7:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I just noticed you have Utecht listed higher than Kevin Boss. lol What’s wrong with you shake? tsk tsk

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Aug 26, 2008 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's wrong with me is that I believe FOs projections

"I ain't racin'
I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish
I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Aug 26, 2008 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, their projections are crap tbh.

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Aug 26, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

where to start...

Gonzo ahead of Steve Smith, Torry Holt, and Housh? can i buy some pot from you? Holt is good for 90+ rec, 1000 yds, and 8 TD blindfolded.

the QB ranking are a mess. Garrard and McNabb in front of Romo and Roethlisberger is an absolute joke. did you know they combined to throw 68 TD passes last year? unless they give 100 points for having a high completion percentage, there’s no way Garrard goes in front of those two. and Aaron Rodgers 8th and Tavaris Jackson 9th? Did you mean 28th and 29th? those two ahead of Carson Palmer and Matt Hasslebeck…wow.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Aug 26, 2008 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

They were very up on Gonzo

he had one of the best seasons of the last 12 years on a per play basis over a decent sample size. They also expected him to be taking a sizable chunk of Marvin’s workload. I’m definitely downgrading him a bit more.

Jackson is getting bumped up by the rushing yards and TDs (only Young has a higher QB rushing projection) and helped by the NES league only penalizing INTs as -1.

Rodgers will be helped a ton by the YAC machines he has at WR.

Garrard was amazing last year. The talent around him on offense is better than last year and the ranking already accounts for the crazy low INT rate. He’s ranked there even though the projection has him throwing 4 times more INTs. He also gets a bump for the rushing. He isn’t a scrambler, but he’ll pull it down and do some damage every once and a while.

"I ain't racin'
I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish
I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Aug 26, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garrard at best is a bench warmer in fantasy.

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Aug 26, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's the 12th QB taken by Average Draft Position

That’s a weak starter, very strong backup. I paired him with Jeff Garcia in the Shakedown league and feel pretty good. I’m not saying draft him in the 3rd or 4th round where the 5th QB is going in most drafts, but in the 6th round or on, you can get a very solid QB for cheap.

"I ain't racin'
I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish
I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Aug 26, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Aug 26, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The perception of him is as a weak starter

I think he’ll be a good starter, but take advantage of that underrating. In both my drafts when a sleeper was my best available I passed on them another round (or two) because I knew they would still be there.

"I ain't racin'
I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish
I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Aug 26, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

they really shouldn't have Gonzo that high

there’s no way that he comes close to Holt or Housh’s numbers if they’re is healthy. i don’t see any way that Gonzo cracks the top 20 in the WR category. that Calvin Johnson is 20 spots behind him shows how ridiculous their projections are.

you’re right that Garrard was amazing efficient last year, but that doesn’t change the fact that Romo threw double the amount of touchdowns that he had last did. look at the talent Romo has around him compared to DG. it’s laughable to even compare. TO vs. Troy Williamson/Jerry Porter? c’mon SBake. i’ve read your posts before and i know you’re smarter than that.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Aug 26, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is very smart.

Give your competition bogus draft guides to go by so that you can whoop up om them. But you can’t be too obvious. Sheer genius!

by coltsfanawalt on Aug 26, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

The only league I have left is 18 to 88

and the scoring there is weird enough that the rankings are different. I’m just trying to help.

"I ain't racin'
I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish
I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Aug 26, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm totally kidding.

Actually, I love how you ranked Lynch. I believe his season will be special. Regarding your rankings, no one would agree with all of mine, either. That is why it’s all opinion. I just thought it was amusing to read some of the comments on this post about all your work, that’s all.

by coltsfanawalt on Aug 26, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get why everyone else isn't all over Lynch

He was an elite talent (12th overall) coming out of college and he isn’t just “the man” as far as the Buffalo running game goes, he’s going to be the one driving that offense.

"I ain't racin'
I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish
I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Aug 26, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is one of the few RBs un-handcuffed.

No splitting time. I also think that Buffalo will surprise people this year. Wait and see.

by coltsfanawalt on Aug 26, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

18 to 88

That is definitely one unique league. I wasn’t consistent with my lineup in it last year, as my schedule was crazy and full. I didn’t even try to play this year because I felt bad about that. But I love their idea.

by coltsfanawalt on Aug 26, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Romo is clearly the 3rd best fantasy QB

and its not even a debate. He had the second greatest fantasy season EVER last year behind Brady and he’s even going to better this season.

You pass on Romo and you’ll regret it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 26, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

2nd best ever?

what scoring system do you use that a QB with 13 less TDs, nearly double the INTs and less yards scored more points than 2004 Peyton Manning.

"I ain't racin'
I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish
I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Aug 26, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's so obvious

Anybody who watched Romo’s season could see that it was the 2nd best fantasy season ever. Statistics are meaningless. 85% of people know that.

by ctnyc on Aug 27, 2008 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

thats what i read in all my fantasy mags

Bradys’ last season was the best. I think you’re forgetting that Romo can run and score TDs running, unlike your boy Manning who’s lucky to have a total of 10yds rushing each year.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Romo Rushing

129 yards, two TDs, that doesn’t equal 13 passing TDs, 9 less INTs and 200 passing yards.

Oh and Peyton’s career high rushing is higher than Romo’s 157 to 129

"I'm not racin', I'm just sprintin'
Cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish, I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Aug 28, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

it should be considering

he’s played 7 more years

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 29, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

also, the leagues I play in

don’t deduct points for INTs

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 29, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you're still wrong

13 pass TDs and 200 Passing yards > 2 rushing TDs and 90 rushing yards

"I'm not racin', I'm just sprintin'
Cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish, I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Aug 29, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol dumbass

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Aug 26, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

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