One last offseason piece
(I stumbled across this angry little piece from the first month of my blog. I really enjoyed (re)reading it and hopefully it'll help hold everyone over until kickoff tonight.)
There is no phrase used in NFL analysis that pisses me off faster than "Intangibles". "This QB
If something is intangible by definition it can't be perceived, realized or defined. How can someone know that a QB has intangibles if they can't be perceived, realized or defined. Ignoring the misuse of the word and defining it by context I understand it to mean "things that aren't measured by statistics". I'm sure that somethings a QB does aren't defined in his statistics. The NFL doesn't keep a stat for competitiveness or hours of gamefilm study. They don't need to because all of those things help a QB play better and the QB's statistics will show the improvement. If a QB is liked and respected by his teammates and this makes them play harder wouldn't that mean the QB is able to complete more passes for more yards and throw more TDs. Most things sited as intangibles are part of what creates the tangibles (stats). Adding in those intangibles on top of the stats gives more credit on top of what those intangibles have accomplished. It makes as much sense as randomly picking QBs and saying their yards count double.
I'm sure there are subtle things that a QB does that improve his team that don't get measured in his statistics. Things that are noticed by people that are with them throughout the season and can sense the subtle positives that the QB contributes. I don't doubt that this happens, but how does a guy sitting watching the game see this, whether it's from the stands, the couch or Bristol Connecticut. Even if you do spend time with a QB in his locker room and pick up on his "intangibles" how do they compare them to the rest of the league. I've never heard of a ESPN intangibles specialist who just chills in every locker room in the league and senses which QBs have great intangibles (I call that job). Do they have an
So what are the intangibles that sports analysis always talk about? They aren't measured by stats, but can be determined by just feel. How does that QB feel to you? Does he make you all warm and fuzzy inside?
That's the basis of intangibles. How the QB seems to you through the TV. When you look at the stats and watch his teams performance you just feel that the QB is better or worse than what the numbers tell you? Do you know what that's called? It's called personal bias.
"Those numbers can't be right. When I watch
Yes, there is. It's called
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I can't prove it with stats...
...but my intangibles meter is tingling.
Great article. We’ve all been there, or at least have witnessed it being committed by the great and all-knowing media analysts. They have their favorites and really aren’t too apologetic about it. As a viewer, you get to know which way the wind blows on a particular show and can adjust the brain filter, but you’re absolutely right. I think. But I can’t really prove it.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on
Aug 3, 2008 8:48 AM EDT
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Not quite..
“No one reaches that level without being extraordinarily gifted, hardworking, tough and competitive.”
Whaaat? Are you sure about that?
I could disprove you with two words (ah, one name):
Ryan. Leaf.
He was, of course, drafted only one pick after Peyton, much in part to his unbelievable raw talent… however, due to the fact that he had… let’s call them “issues”, in other areas, he did not succeed at the next level.
intangibles (though, I admit, the word is probably overused) aren’t about what gives a media observer a warm feeling, they’re about a quarterback playing above his stats.
A QB like Stan Humphries, for instance, never posted a QB rating of over 80 in one season to the best of my recollection, but was a great team leader and tough player who led his team to a superbowl, and proved himself as the chargers’ franchise QB for 6 seasons.
by hahasound on
Aug 3, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
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I wouldn't fault
the talking heads for using the word – intangible. They use it often because of the belief that we share a consensual meaning for it. At best its a very loosely defined term that we assume to mean things that can’t be explained through numbers and stats. Potential is the same way, doesn’t really refer to something in particular but we sort of understand it.
But yes the frustration with these words would be resolved if we all decided that from here on out intangibles refers to time spent with the playbook or having lunch with teammates but then that would remove the fun out of abstract concepts and very soon someone will come up with a word that will replace intangible in the media vocabulary.
by salu on
Aug 3, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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Its a cliche
A word used often when the analysts don’t know what they are talking about or have been too lazy to analyze the QBs talents to pin-point the key features.
Its a buzzword similar to “out of the box” thinking or ” sense of purpose” used in management circles.
"Winning is not everything;the desire to win is" - Vince Lombardi
by rangerover76 on
Aug 3, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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Great article, shake n bake.
I agree whole heartedly. As long as people hold on to this term they can defy facts and reality by something that cannot be proven and therefore argued against (or for). When the stats support their bias, then stats are accurate in that circumstance. When stats are unsupportive of the supremacy of their favorite player, well then stats are misleading because they don’t include the “intangibles”. Under this system, no one can ever be right to anyone who doesn’t agree or share their bias, because it can’t be quantified.
It is true that if some special “intangible” helps a player, the results would be tangible. They are called stats. If the intangibles never turn into anything tangible, what good are they?
by coltsfanawalt on
Aug 3, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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A whole article on Intangibles without citing "Captain Intangibles"
Matt Ryan. Luckily the 18 INTs last year don’t denigrate “Intangibles”.
by mgrex03 on
Aug 4, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
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I think I have a Matt Ryan rant or two
from later on.
"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine
(Yes, that is a non-Lil Wayne lyric sig).
by shake n bake on
Aug 4, 2008 1:38 PM EDT
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Intangibles are traits you can't measure
however they can make the difference between a great and good player. Its the fire in one’s belly that scouts can’t see, that makes that person want to be the best player possible.
Not all pro athletes have this trait. What makes HOF players are traits you can’t see, but you know they have them because they’re great players.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Aug 4, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
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So great players have intangibles
but noone can tell whether a player has them until the player is great.
"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine
(Yes, that is a non-Lil Wayne lyric sig).
by shake n bake on
Aug 4, 2008 6:08 PM EDT
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And by then
the stats support it. So meanwhile it is all guesswork and wishful thinking.
by coltsfanawalt on
Aug 4, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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thats not true
you can tell when a player has “it” early in his career before he becomes great or at least some people can, they’ll called scouts and the good ones have the ability to see intangibles in players that most people can’t see. What can I say, its a gift, some people have that ability, most don’t.
I remember Parcells saying that about about Romo when he first was signed in 2003, he said he has things you can’t see, those are intangibles.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on
Aug 5, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
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I'm constantly amazed at how quickly you contradict yourself
Its the fire in one’s belly that scouts can’t see
"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." - Thomas Paine
(Yes, that is a non-Lil Wayne lyric sig).
by shake n bake on
Aug 5, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
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