Colt Brennan definitely looked like the best player on the field with all the starters out. That kid can play.

You crack me up BBS, everyone on the planet knows Witten is the best TE in football, Clark is no where in his league and its not even close. Its like me saying that at this point in time Romo is better than Manning.

sorry but I think dallas clark is THEE best TE in football. witten is great but dallas clark was almost the sole reason, along with the hitman and peyton that got the colts their first lombardi. Im not here to argue with you but without dallas clark I dare anybody including cowboy fans to say…he is no where in his league? thats a pretty strong statement coming from a team who hasnt really done anything in the playoffs with their BEST TE in the league. dallas clark has heard this before all the way back to his college days a walkon when he was a hawkeye and in the meantime he just won the mackey award and has a superbowl ring. yeah hes pretty good

IMO, they are the top 2 by far in the league. Gates and Gonzalez aren’t close anymore. They are both two of the best targets on their teams. They both get a lot of receptions and are good redzone targets.

On who is better, I would say Clark. Clark gets stuck behind players like Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning, and Joseph Addai. Witten is behind T.O and…uh…Marion Barber? Clark kept this team going last year. He’s more indespensible than Witten.

I’d say Mike Hart is not going to be on the practice squad. Dawson did not impress last night. Mike Hart was perfect. That’s why training camp is so important. It’s another thing to base the players off of instead of just training camp. Mike Hart has a motor that can’t be stopped.

Quinn Gray has the backup QB spot. He Ate Me is gone. Jordan Senn will make the practice squad. Condren will make the roster. Curtis Johnson was a lot better at run defense than thought he would be. The defensive line ran down some of the running backs, which was very impressive. By the end of the year, Eric Foster will be the starting under-tackle. Jamey Richard looked like a Pro Bowler after his bad snap. This draft was great on the second day. Howard, Richard, and Hart looked like stars.

I agree with most of what you say, with a bit of an exception on Gray. I didn’t really feel like he outperformed Sorgi. I was pretty impressed with Sorgi last night, with the exception of the near pick, but that was obviously a miscommunication, as he threw to the outside and Reggie went in. Not sure who’s fault it was. Also, you mention Gray being able to buy time with his feet. I will grant that he made some pretty impressive throws on the run, but it concerned me how quick he left the pocket. On both of those throws he completed on the run, I thought he left the pocket too early. He just bailed out, when it looked like he could have stepped up. It worked out last night for him, but I’m not sure it would continue to in the future if he constantly flees the pocket at the first sign of trouble.

I was definitely excited watching the game and it seems everyone here is on the same page for the most part concerning players. My personal highlights of the game are for one, the rookie o-linemen, they all looked great with the exception of the bad snap. But when Richard was back on the sidelines it wasn’t long before he was practicing the snap, good work ethic.

I liked Mike Hart alot, I can’t remember seeing such hard running in the preseason from one of our RB’s no matter what round they were drafted in. If he continues to play like this he’s definitely gonna make an impact at some point in the upcoming season and the future.

Next was the rookie DE’s Curtis Johnson and Marcus Howard. When Johnson was in the game he was around the ball ALOT whether it was on a RB or QB you gotta love that in our defense. Howard is also going to be an impact player, I can’t wait to see him coming of the bench as a situational pass rusher late in games when the opposing o-lines are tired.

Finally I know someone in the thread mentioned not liking Eric Foster but I’d have to disagree. He made a few mistakes but I thought as he went along he got better. I think when it’s all said and done he takes Pitcock’s spot in the rotation. So far so good….

I was not as infatuated as others with Gray. I liked him, and we probably ought to keep three QBs on the team. However, Sorgi was only in one series against better quality defenders, and he did very well. Long drive and points. Gray’s first drive ended up in no points, as he stalled like Sorgi with sloppy play in the red zone. No QB looked that impressive on the short field, but Gray had that 30 yard pass. And alot more playing time. Against the backups. I need more time to be sold that he is an upgrade from Sorgi.

I loved Mike Hart’s heart. He’s a keeper. Garcon impressed. I didn’t leave feeling too strongly either way about Foster. Howard is a monster, and I agree that C. Johnson has a nose for the ball. J. Richard had that one hiccup, but blocked very well besides. I liked our O-line, too. Hall made a couple of nice grabs, and I think he will be great this year. Great to see Rhodes back.

Cut K2 and Lorenzen. That is certain already. Vinatieri looks stronger. I have a hard time evaluating special teams, as there were many backups in there on both sides. My biggest concern about the game was that easy 3 play score by Washington to start the game. Granted we had several key plaers out on defense (actually almost every key player was out), but it still bothered me that the TD came so easy to them.

This was supposed to be my first game to watch on my new 42” 1080p LCD TV. I don’t have cable yet, but I didn’t care because I knew that broadcast TV is uncompressed, so the quality would be superb. BIG mistake. I should have went to a bar because I spent all night trying to get more than just stills and moving boxes. I was able to actually watch about a quarter and a half of the game. So I missed Sorgi’s drive and much of Hefty’s play, though I followed the latter along on the NFL.com Game Tracker. This was my impressions from last night:

Quinn Gray: Mobile, great distance ad velocity on the ball, always looks downfield, but isn’t afraid to check down if needed(though KK will not catch it), seems to have picked up at least the gist of the offense already

Gijon Robinson: He wears the best number, but also showed toughness in traffic and the ability to get in position to grab the ball, plays faster than he is timed, and shows great awareness while running routes. Also blocked very well for everyone coming out of the backfield. Needs more work in pass protection scheme though.

Mike Hart: Excellent game speed, good vision, and uses his blockers. Takes defenders head on and keeps his balance extremely well and drives forward with his legs. Will fight for every extra yard.

Marcus Howard: Blindingly fast off the line and good pursuit, needs to work on hand placement and developing more pass rush moves to do more than just bring pressure.

Roy Hall: Come on late in the game, but made his impact felt at every opportunity. Looks faster than what I had heard reported at camp, and his size is noticeable when he lines up.

Pierre Garcon: Didn’t see the great kick return at the end, but he looks to run clean routes and knows how to use his hands to catch the ball.

TJ Rushing: He’s not a rookie, but he looks to have improved his punt returning skills significantly. Maybe he can have a Josh Cribbs-like breakout year.(Though Russ P will find a way to screw that up)

Overall, I would have to say that Devin Aromashodu did not look game ready at all, as I thought Onrea Jones out performed him. There is no doubt we win this game with Quinn Gray finishing the 2nd half. Jared Lorenzen was horrid, and his sub 5 yards per attempt don’t even touch the surface of the suckage because it was closer to 2 yards an attempt until the final drive where he was allowed to beat the soft zone repeatedly. Brannon Condren did not impress me at all, though he does deliver a good blow when he is not out of position. I wasn’t as impressed with Jordan Senn either, but missed most of the end where he might have had more of an impact.

Hopefully KK and Jared Lorenzen get the boot so we can bring some more DTs into camp. I think that is where we need to be focusing our attention on. We really need pressure in the middle so that we can break plays up in the backfield. We didn’t pressure the QB as often as we need to and our run D looked 2006-ish, but worst of all, we caused no turnovers (Well, we forced a fumble, but didn’t recover it). That tells me that there is a talent drop somewhere, but of course we were deep into our roster when Colt Brennan cut us up.

Let’s hope things look better next week against Carolina. Even if this is only the preseason….

I might have been tough on the 3rd and 4th stringers, but giving up a perfect passer rating and 5 YPC is unacceptable. I noticed that Jordan Senn did make 11 tackles, but what came across more to me was several times those tackles could have either been pass breakups or INTs if he had just been in position. But I have to give him credit for adjusting quickly and making a play.

Brandon Condren still did not impress me. Of course I don’t know what defense was called on every play, but when it looked like our base defense, Condren would seem to play off so much in the deep zone as to not be effective. I didn’t see Jamie Silva out there, so maybe someone can help me out by telling me how he played.

I definitely think LB play will be much better than this as we had Victor Worsley, Ramon Guzman, and Senn in on most of the time I was watching and the RB Mason was looking like the next great thing.

Small note to end: Did anyone catch the part where John Madden was comparing Mike Hart to Tony Dorsett? Now, I’ve never seen Dorsett play, but I know that that is a good compliment. And then of course Madden has to remark how he actually LOOKS like Dorsett, but anyway….In the course of a year, Madden has compared Joe Addai to Barry Sanders and Mike Hart to Tony Dorsett. If Madden really knew what he was talking about, we’d have one sick backfield.

I did not feel bad about his performance. I don’t think it was subpar to Jones, who benefited statistically from being left wide open in the endzone on a Quinn Gray scramble. Any receiver should’ve caught that pass, as it was like playing catch. Only with alot more pressure… and big guys running at you to hurt you… and your future on the line…

Anyhow, while I don’t think that Aromashodu was any worse than Jones, I think that Garcon was better than them both. My depth chart would read: 1)Harrison 2)Wayne 3)Gonzalez 4)Hall 5)Garcon. If we hold a sixth receiver, I’d still like to see Giguere play to make that call. I would tend to give Aromashodu the nod over Jones because of team experience. My opinion.

Did anyone else feel disheartened by the Brennan TD pass against Rushing, one of our experienced corners? It just seemed like he let the receiver pull away in the endzone as he turned around to see the play. Do you think TJ Rushing is better than Jennings or Hughes? Or would he even make the team if it wasn’t for his return abilities?

I think the majority of people are rushing to judgement that Gray should be the backup to Manning instead of Sorgi. Granted Gray has a strong arm and had a few good plays, but also throws with inconsistency. There were a few overthrows that not even Yao Ming could catch. I think Sorgi could control the game with his short passes as we saw with his only drive. The Colts have stuck with Sorgi for a reason and could have easily not resigned him this past offseason. But in the end, Peyton will be back to do his thing and continue his consecutive start streak while Sogi or Gray wears their headset on the sidelines during regular season games.

Gray’s completion percentage would have been 63% and he would have had at least 10=15 more yards if not for Kenton Keith showing no interest in being a receiving target. That would have given him a passer rating of 111.8 and good mobility. Sorgi was efficient, and would do great for a true West Coast team. The Colts like to get down-field, and check down only when needed. Sorgi looks for the check down first. Keep in mind this is Gray’s first few drives playing in our system, whereas this is Sorgi’s third start, and what fourth, fifth year on the squad? Gray still had a better passer rating throwing to less talented receivers (of course against less skilled defenders).

I can’t look at the difference in arm strength and mobility and put Sorgi over Gray. Sorgi would do well in more traditional West Coast systems.

I watched the game last night and I saw some good things by Gray. He made some really good plays. I was suprised by his stats, though. I didn’t realize he missed so many passes. I then thought about it and remember him missing a few passes that should have been sure things, like overthrowing a RB in the flat by 8 yards or throwing a 2 yard pass to Hart when a d-lineman is about 3 feet behind him and closing. He seems to be better throwing downfield than short. He has more game experience than Sorgi and I would love to have him on the roster just in case, but I’m not sold on him over the Wisconsin Cheese.

I’m not sold on Sorgi either, but I don’t think we saw enough to judge him fairly. His one series seemed to be played a little too safe, since he didn’t throw at any WR’s. I wish they would have played hime for at least a quarter, so he would have had a chance to get into a rhythm. I remember two big mistakes during his one drive. The high throw to Gijon over the middle that could have ended badly and the outside throw to Wayne when he had inside position at the goal line.

I say give him the boot. Even Gray got more yards than KK did. Mike Hart, if he keeps playing this way in the preseason, might just earn himself the third spot!

Also, I agree, Lorenzen must go, but Gray might beat out Sorgi. We’ll just have to wait and see.