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What are you worried about?

So there's been a lot of worrying by the Colts fans on this site over the last few weeks. I don't entirely blame you all for it. There are things about this team to worry about, but no one should be predicting doom and gloom in week 2 or really anytime in the first 6-8 weeks. There are legitimate concerns for this team and discussing them is fine, but calling the season over in the first month is ridiculous and flat out dumb.

With that out of the way, lets look at the issues.

Peyton's Knee- He seems to move fine, but they won't run the stretch play despite the ineffectiveness of the toss that they replaced it with. Manning has been forced to move in the pocket and has done it fine. He's taken hits and gotten right back up. The knee isn't an issue in that passing game and I'd look for the stretch play to make a return soon.

Interior O line injuries- 4 of the 5 projected O line starters didn't play the second half of the Vikings game. Saturday, Lilja and Pollak are all recovering from knee injuries. Saturday is back at practice and Pollak is expected back after the bye. Lilja on the other hand, is a total mystery. He had surgery in the offseason, started training camp on the PUP list and remained on it to date. He could be back week 6 and is allowed to practice without counting on the roster in that time, the team was until week 10 to move him to the active roster or they must put him on season ending IR. Hopefully Lilja will be ready to go week 6 and was only PUP'ed because they couldn't carry another injured player on the 53 man roster through the first few weeks.

Peyton's blindside- Possibly most concerning Tony Ugoh left in the 2nd quarter with what is being called a groin injury. Ugoh is a great young player, but the lack of a competent backup is why this is a problem. No word yet on the severity of Ugoh's injury, but he was "questionable to return" in the second half.

The miniature D line- When your starting DTs average 260lbs you are going to get run on. Foster and Dawson have shown they can penetrate and apply pressure up the middle and even made some plays on Peterson in the second half, but you need some size to stop the run. When the battle in the trenches is 5 300+ pound men against 4 men who top out at 274lbs and average 265lbs, it's going to be ugly when they run it up the gut. The good news is that the LBs and DBs have been doing their jobs and gave up no TDs to Peterson. The DTs are young and will improve and once the offense gets going we'll get to see this aces package (and Howard/Curtis Johnson) let loose and terrorize the opposing QBs.

Bob Sanders' Ankle- Sanders also left injured late in the VIkings game. The D continued to keep up it's tight performance, but no one expects Melvin Bullit to be able to replace the reigning DPOY for more than a few series. Again no word on the injury besides it's an ankle and he left the game.

No TE/WR Flex- Both Clark and Jacob Tamme missed the Vikings game robbing the Colts of another key element. The struggles on hot routes and dumpoffs (2 picks on quick passes, an ugly Gijon Robinson drop and lots of missed 3rd down conversions) reminded us all of how important Clark's role is. Neither's injury has been called anything serious and one, probably both will be back this week.

Bad Vinny- BBS has his view on Vinatieri and I agree that some are too harsh on him. But, I will never trust any kicker ever again after the missed FG that shall not be named. I am now a complete beliver in FO's studies that show FG accuracy isn't consistant at all between NFL level kickers year to year.

So the team has some problems, but nothing close to the fatal flaws that doomed last years team. Guys will get healthy, the young players will progress and the O will get on track due to the two previous reasons. The Colts will be fine, but it'll be interesting.

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Which of the Colts problems worry you most?
Peyton's knee
12 votes
The interior line
170 votes
Ugoh's groin
39 votes
Lack of bulk up front
36 votes
Bobzilla's ankle
43 votes
No WRs in TE bodies
3 votes
Bad Vinny
3 votes

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Though Bobs Ankle is a priority on my list

Id say the interior line is most concerning. Without holes for the running back and a lack of protection, this offense isn’t what it could be. We need the line to recover fully in order to become balanced once more and restore the glory of this juggernaut offense.

by metal_militia on Sep 16, 2008 3:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Post

I mentioned it in the live thread but very level headed again Shake!!

I too have voted for bob because those nightmares of the 2006 season of not being able to stop the rush without him and add to that no Booger either.

by jack-manning on Sep 16, 2008 5:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m just tired of seeing 3-4 players drop every game. How do these guys manage to get hurt so often? I didn’t see a single Vikings player lay on the ground any longer than a few seconds.

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Sep 16, 2008 7:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not including Bob, I expect him to get hurt. Mainly I’m talking about the lineman and Clark.

We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.

by KingRichard on Sep 16, 2008 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the offense is going to be fine, however, I’m a little concerned it’s taking them too long to score points. I want to see points go up in the first quarter. But, my real concern is that the defense is looking somewhat like 2006 regular season. I want them to look like they did in the playoffs that year. Even though Peterson is a great back, there’s absolutely no excuse for him to run for that many yards.

by Ayrshire on Sep 16, 2008 8:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Post Shake ... a couple things ...

First, I think the defense is a major concern (primarily DT and Hot Bobby) but i think the O-line is of greater worry, they were not good to put it mildly … did anyone else flinch watching Peyton get hit like he was ?? he was pressured nearly all game …

In regards to the TE/Flex spot, well we definitely missed Clark – i do feel he is perhaps injury prone, but he is a key cog in this offensive machine – his match-up and hands would have changed this game

In other TE news … i thought Tom Santi was known for his blocking … he did not show it to me in this game, granted he was on Jared Allen at times, but he barely even touched the guy … he did not impress me

In regards to the two interceptions, these can’t really be put on anyone but Peyton … the first pass was not a quick pass as Shake stated, it was just a bad pass … and the second one was bad as well … clearly behind Wayne, in the numbers or in front of him and this is a catch ….

However, as much as i am worried about both lines, i am not worried about this team when i see Peyton play like he did in the second half. He made the passed he needed to make and made this win happen …

Lastly, that leads me to my player of the game … not Peyton or Gonzo, but Sir Reggie Wayne … the Colts moved him around and, as always, he produced … he caught the touchdown pass and made several other amazing catches in traffic, including the last catch to set up the winning field goal …

If there is one player we do not have to worry about it is # 87 … so thank you Mr. Wayne, for all that you do

 

"Ryno for President 08"

by ClarkFan44 on Sep 16, 2008 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the INT on the pass to Marvin

it wasn’t a dumpoff, but Marvin was the only WR Peyton even looked at there. He was trying to get the ball out of his hands and fast.

"I'm not racin', I'm just sprintin'
Cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish, I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Sep 16, 2008 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Concern

That no one ever talks about is Ryan Diem. To me, he looked downright awful Sunday. So many plays where you can literally see him standing around having not blocked ANYONE AT ALL or being pushed straight back into Peyton. Should I put the crackpipe down or did anyone else notice how bad he was?

by session55 on Sep 16, 2008 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Diem has some bad games

but he’s usually very good. If he makes it 3 bad games in a row I’d start to worry.

"I'm not racin', I'm just sprintin'
Cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish, I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Sep 16, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defensive line worries me the most

The O-line is scary, but we know Saturday and friend will be back fairly soon. Bob’s injury worries me, but I haven’t heard much bad out of him. Those D-tackles are delightfully mediocre, and I really don’t want to see guys running for 150 every week.

Although the year that happened, we managed to win a Super Bowl.

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by MrNFL on Sep 16, 2008 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They won't be mediocre

when teams have to throw the ball, but if they keep get run at all game long mediocre is the best we can hope for.

"I'm not racin', I'm just sprintin'
Cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish, I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Sep 16, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My first concern is...

anything that makes Peyton vulnerable. So, the interior O-line and Ugoh’s status.

After that, I would have to say Sanders…the way he plays, we know he will get banged up throughout the season, however the D is completely different without him…he has a mental affect on those guys and its noticable.

As far as AV, “the field goal which shall not be named”, I don’t know. I’m glad I wasn’t able to see the game last Sunday. I didn’t even know he missed it until after I saw that we won. I have to admit, when I heard about it, I had flashbacks. I’m trying not to make a big deal about it—-yet.

April in CA

by peytonsthebest on Sep 16, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

O-line

Health of the o-line. Essentially, 3 rookies on the inside. Ugh.

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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 16, 2008 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Optimisim is good.....but realistically there is plenty to worry about.

For starters, there is alot to worry about. By your count, 6 major reasons. I am as much of a “homer” as the next guy, and I am neither a defeatist, nor a total pessimist. But I am a realist, and both our defensive amd offensive lines look terrible. Now we are getting pressure from the ends, and that is what has kept us alive, but the inability to get pressure up the middle, or defense anyone coming up the middle, will potentially lose us alot of games.. The Vikings are totally overrated, and I don’t take solace in our narrow margin of victory over them. The largest item you have not addressed is our total lack of a running game. this too will create more loses than we are accustomed too. We all know that.
The Colts margin of error or injury is so thin now, and Manning is getting hit every pass play…well you can really on inference for the rest. So I’m freaked….yes.

I agree saying that calling the season at this stage is ridiculous, but it is easy to say that at this point, considering the calliber of play in the NFC, and the Colts performance in the past two games, we are arguably…..NOT even in the top ten teams in the NFL…..at this point…….(But we will win the Super bowl…..ommmm)

So I wouldn’t say its “dumb” to draw some asssumptions based on what we know. If we would have lost that game and we had the injuries that we did sustain we would all be looking for the nearest overpass to dive off…..and I don’t thnk I am wrong when I say that…At best, that Minnesota game was a pyrrhic victory….will the sip right itself….we will see………GO COLTS……..

by peterbones on Sep 16, 2008 12:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

peterbones,…..you make some very accurate points. We can only use ‘rust’ as an excuse for so long. At some point, Dungy has got to get a grip on the ‘line’ situation, both offensively and defensively. I realize guys are hurt, but it seems like the smaller linemen tend to get hurt more frequently. Personally, I wish they would focus on getting bigger players. Dwight Freeney is the exception, but usually smaller guys get dominated. Also, the Colts seem to rally somewhat when behind. I wish they’d start the game with the mindset that they’re already 14 points behind. Then, maybe points would be scored more quickly. Kind of a joke there, but they play better when the situation is urgent, in my opinion.

by Ayrshire on Sep 16, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry, what does pyrrhic mean ??

i’m afraid the public schools have failed me once again …

and good point, i think the lack of running game will hurt us at times … but in time i believe it will develop as the O-line gains some health and continuity

and with the Chargers and Jaguars at 0-2 and everything else as it is in the NFL, i’m confident by week 5 or 6 we will be easily solidified back at our spot in the top 5 of the league

oh and Ayrshire … my girlfriend and i agree … we joke they should always play like they are down 21 points … seems funny, but i think you are right … we tend to play better coming from behind

"Ryno for President 08"

by ClarkFan44 on Sep 16, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wikipedia is your friend

wiki link

the term is used by analogy in fields such as business, politics, law, literature, and sport to describe any similar struggle which is ruinous for the victor.

You win, but you suffer so much damage in the victory you are crippled and go on to lose the larger prize

"I'm not racin', I'm just sprintin'
Cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish, I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Sep 16, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh and I'm Public School educated so don't knock it to much

"I'm not racin', I'm just sprintin'
Cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish, I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Sep 16, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

though it's a university town

so I’m sure the quality was higher than average. Lots of degrees running around.

"I'm not racin', I'm just sprintin'
Cuz I don't wanna finish
they diminish, I replenish"
-Lil Wayne "Let the beat build"

by shake n bake on Sep 16, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The def of "Pyrrhic Victory" (one of my fav words or exp) GO COLTS!

A Pyrrhic victory (IPA: /ˈpɪrɪk/) is a victory with devastating cost to the victor. The phrase is an allusion to King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum…
 

by peterbones on Sep 16, 2008 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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