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Peyton Manning: 31 4th Quarter Comebacks

Last Sunday marked Peyton Manning's 31st fourth quarter comeback in his illustrious career. I guess we can now fondly look back and chuckle at all the inbred, ignorant dweebs (Bill Simmons) who openly questioned Peyton Manning's clutchness and ability to perform well under pressure. To put it in perspective folks, the supposed most "clutch player of all-time" was Joe Montana. I personally think Montana was over-rated. Not that he was bad. He was a truly great QB, but he simply wasn't as good as Dan Marino or John Elway. Montana played with Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, Brent Jones, Charles Haley, and Ronnie Lott. Elway and Marino had the likes of Mark Duper, Mark Jackson, and Ronald Humphrey for most of their careers. Take Marino or Elway, give them that talent and coaching, and they have 4 or maybe 5 rings.

But, per usual, I'm getting off topic.

Anyway, Montana, in his Hall of Fame career, had 31 4th quarter comebacks. He retired at age 38. Peyton Manning is 32, and already has 31 fourth quarter comebacks. Peyton does not play in the short, timing offense Montana played in. He plays in a down-the-field passing attack. And he calls his own plays, again, unlike Montana.

Can you tell that when someone says "Joe Montana was the best QB who ever lived," I want to rip their face off with a nail filler?

The other great clutch QB, Tom Brady, has 26 for his career. Again, morons lke Simmons have always shouted from the mountains that Brady is "more clutch" than Peyton. It was laughable then, and it is laughable now. Don't get me wrong. 26 comebacks is an amazing stat, and we here at Stampede Blue have always cheered Tom Brady's abilities (except when he plays the Colts, of course). But the fact is Brady is not "more clutch" than Peyton. Joe Montana is not more "clutch" than Peyton.

Peyton stands alone. He is money. Anyone who says otherwise can get their face introduced to the nail filler.

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I just read this stat

but I didn’t know how it compared to the supposed"real clutch" QBs, such as Brady and Montana.

I remember saying last Sunday, when we were down 15-0 at the start of the 3rd qtr, that under normal circumstances that wouldn’t worry me. I was nervous because of the shape of our line, I admit. But the come-from-behind-win is Peyton’s specialty. Granted, they give me heart palpitations…but he consistantly pulls them off.

Whenever I hear someone say he isn’t “clutch” I want to reach through their chest and pull their heart out…well, maybe not that, but you know what I mean.

Thanks for the info!

April in CA

by peytonsthebest on Sep 16, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On a bum knee

He came back on this occasion with a knee that was not exactly 100%. Even with this I still was never worried. Mad? Yes! But not worried. All the offense needed was a play over 20 yards, and then Gonzo breaks on a fly route/pitch to Reggie. I noticed in the post game interviews that Peyton was none-to-happy about Gonzo’s improved pitch. Peyton definitely has to thank his defense for this comeback.

If Peyton is now tied with Montana at 31, I wonder what the record for 4th quarter comebacks is.

I have a man crush on Bob Sanders

by Carolina Colt on Sep 16, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carolina Colt

Where in Carolina are you located? Hard to find Colt fans here in Greenville, SC

by skywalker on Sep 16, 2008 6:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am originally from Charleston but I just graduated from Winthrop and I am living just south of Charlotte. My father is from Indiana and he has forced lead helped me to become a Colts fan.

I have a man crush on Bob Sanders

by Carolina Colt on Sep 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IMO

John Elway is alot more overrated than Joe Montana.

by furrycolt on Sep 16, 2008 3:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

48 for Elway, still tops in the NFL

and furry, do me a favor…Without Googling, name 5 offensive players from the 86, 87 or 89 Super Bowl teams other than Elway….

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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on Sep 17, 2008 10:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tecmo Bowl has failed me

I could only think of 2, one of which is an NFL Head Coach right now.

The other was the starting WR.

by mgrex03 on Sep 17, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm....

Mark Jackson, Gary Zimmerman, Bobby Humphrey(or was it Sammie Smith?), Kubiak…..and I’m out. That was a hard one.

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by gatling on Sep 17, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's hard to be overrated

when you go to five Super Bowls.

as a side note, (to defend Montana) this is how “overrated” he is: 83-122, 1142 yards, 11 TD, 0 INT, passer rating: 127.8. those are his career numbers in the biggest game that you can ever play in.

also, you list Jerry Rice (13), Roger Craig (4), Brent Jones (4), Charles Haley (5, who played on only two of those SB teams), and Ronnie Lott (10). i know Peyton probably isn’t done yet with his ring count, but is that supporting cast really that much of a difference from Marvin (8), Edge/Addai (5), Clark, Freeney (3) , and Sanders (2) when it’s all said and done? (amount of Pro Bowl selections in parenthesis) Marvins going to the Hall, Edge is borderline, and the jury is still out on the others, even though if Freeney stays healthy he has a great shot.

gotta give Montana some more credit. if i had to pick one Quarterback in NFL history to win one game, it would be him, no question.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 17, 2008 11:41 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe

Montana went to four Super Bowls. And if you are comparing some of those great 49ers players to some of the current Colts players, then thanks! That’s a nice compliment. I doubt many would agree that Bob Sanders is as good as Ronnie Lott or Dallas Clark is better than Brent Jones, but that’s nice that you suggest it.

Also, factor in that Montana did not play in the salary cap era, like Manning does. Joe wouldn’t have 4 rings in the cap era. If you have to pick Montana to win you that one game, good for you. I’ll take Peyton.

Unlike Joe, he doesn’t need a West Coast system to be great. Same goes for Elway and Marino.

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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 17, 2008 4:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i meant Elway went to five

and you never know Clark could be in the same breath as Brent Jones when his career is over. i don’t exactly regard Jones as an all-time great. if Sanders could stay on the field, he could be one of the better safeties of his era. and i did mean that as a compliment. the Colts have been blessed to have some great talent in this great run that they’ve put together of Division titles and 12-win seasons.

you’re right that Peyton doesn’t need a West Coast offense to be great. but i’m basing my arguments on Montana’s numbers in January (aka when it counts) not September-November, where Peyton’s success has come. that being said, i still think the best is to come for Peyton, so it’ll be interesting to see when his career is over where he ranks.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 17, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be interesting

To see how many of them were touchdown drives and how many of them were FG drives to win the game.

by yellowsnow on Sep 17, 2008 7:43 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love It

I love the nail filer remarks.

by TouchdownMonkey on Sep 17, 2008 10:17 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why the hate?

BBS I really like this site, but there seems to be one irritant that keeps popping up in your writing…why when you want to make the point that Manning is a great QB do you first have to crap on other great QBs who have played the game. Montana is overrated? Are you kidding me? I guess the fact that Montana had such a good offensive system and cast is reason to cite for his success? Lets say this, there are a lot of QBs who have run the west coast system and NONE have been as successful as him. Manning threw an NFL record of TD passes a few years ago…and did he not have the best receiving cast in the NFL? So whats the point? We all know that Manning is clutch…heck, you are preaching to the choir here, so why not just compare his results with the others? These attacks make your claims thinly veiled. And while I don’t like Elway, I don’t think he was overrated either. Lastly, I’m not sure Marino would have any rings…Clayton and Duper were pretty good in their day! Its the running game!!

by TRDean on Sep 17, 2008 10:48 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the love of God

Montana is a great QB. He’s a Hall of Famer. I’m not disputing that. He’s just not “the most clutch QB of all time” or the “best of all time.” And Elway and Marino were better. They just didn’t play on the kinds of teams Montana did. That doesn’t take anything away from Montana’s legacy. It just puts things into perspective for Manning and others.

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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 17, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4th Q Comebacks

Peyton is great at the late game comeback no doubt but, this does confirm that he’s was losing the game before the comeback. It is nice to win at the wire but, a better reflection of QB greatness might be – career winning percentage. It think that Brady & Montana are up there on the list when it comes to simply winning the game.

by nothingbettertodo on Sep 17, 2008 6:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carreer winning percentage

might be more of a reflection on the TEAM’s geatness, in a team sport. It indicates balance. It is not fair to say about ANY one position in football that a certain player wasn’t the greatest because of the team winning percentage. I know that QB is more high profile, but it is bogus to elevate it above the whole team. Why can’t some people get this!?! (I understand that it is a convenient way for some to elevate their guy, but c’mon, people!)

Now, judging clutch performance by winning percentage might make more sense in golf or tennis. This is football.

by coltsfanawalt on Sep 17, 2008 11:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brady is better.

BBS,

When you make the case that Peyton is more clutch than Brady, you only cite 4th quarter comeback stats. Are you sure this is the correct measure? For one, a 4th Quarter comeback implies that a team needs to come back from a deficit. Is it possible that some quarterbacks are just better at getting a lead early, then hanging onto it?

I have a different view of what clutch is. Clutch to me means delivering in the moment that matters the most; performance under extreme stress. A 4th quarter comeback in a meaningless game against the KC Chiefs doesn’t mean anything. Playoff performance means something.

This is where I thought I would explore the numbers… How has Manning performed in the playoffs vs Tom Brady?

The Colts, with Peyton Manning under center, have made the playoffs 8 times. The Patriots, with Brady under center have made the playoffs 6 times.

Despite the extra trips to the playoffs, Manning has only played in 14 post-season games, to Brady’s 17.

Manning is 7-7 in the playoffs. Brady is 14-3
Manning has 21 playoff Touchdowns and 17 interceptions. Brady has 26 playoff TDs, and only 12 Ints
Manning has a 61.9% post-season completion . Brady has 62.5
Manning and the Colts have been knocked out of the playoffs in their first playoff game 5 times. This has never happened to Brady and the Pats.
Manning’s average QB rating in the post-season is 84.6. Brady’s is 90.77.
In 3 different playoff games, Manning has had a QB rating below 40. Brady’s lowest ever playoff QB rating was 57.6.
In 3 different playoff games, Manning has had a QB rating over 100. Brady has had a QB rating over 100 in 6 different playoff games

You wanna talk about clutch? You wanna talk about performance? There is no question whatsoever. On the biggest stage of all; where things matter more than they do at any other time, Brady has time and time again proven that he is the best under pressure. Manning has thrown up 4 stinkers in his career that helped knock the Colts out of the playoffs (1999 L to TEN, 2002 L to NYJ, 2003 L to New England, 2004 L to New England).

Brady is clutch. Manning is a great quarterback but Brady is better. A better QB in pressure situations. A better QB in the clutch.

by BeansCarter on Sep 18, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excuse me

while I rip your heart out.

April in CA

by peytonsthebest on Sep 18, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vince Young...

Our team doesn’t collapse when we lose a player. The QB position is just another position. When Kerry Collins steps in, we’re still a major threat. With Jim Sorgi under center, how good are the Colts?

by BeansCarter on Sep 18, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You didn't lose a player.

You lost Vince Young. Your team actually is better off. That is what makes Manning special. Some people’s teams can win without them. Pats, Titans. Colts suck without Manning because he is that much of a difference maker. This is exactly my point about Brady that their fans and apologists conveniently forget. Brady was great because he was on a great team. I grew up a Michigan fan, and Tommy was nothing spectacular. Backup to both Griese and Henson. Not a Manning or VY. But he is solid. New England is a great system, and he was perfect for it.

The team won three super bowls. They were on their way to their first with Bledsoe, and he got hurt. Brady is better than Bledsoe. The team improved, and pulled out a close and controversial playoff run and championship. Until last year, Brady was never a big numbers guy, just a good player on a great team. Including offensive line. ANY NFL QB will kill you given enough time. Brady’s first numbers campaign ended like so many of Peyton’s have. Losing in the playoffs. Actually, Brady has managed this the past three seasons.

To make the success all about him was to rob the team of much of their credit, which many of their fans unwittingly do by saying those close wins were by Brady’s greatness (and thus despite the team). As hard as one tries, they can’t have it both ways. Colts fans will tell you our team as a whole, particularly defense, stunk during those years. Manning carried them as far as they went. We would have loved to have a total team and to have needed less from Manning. Why fans of a good team would reduce their squad to exalt their QB is beyond me.

No matter. Cassell and Belichick will prove this season that the Pats are special with the next man up still. Like the Titans prove they may even be better that way. And as you said so deliberately and instigatingly, the Colts are nothing minus Manning. And seeing how good they are with him, that is quite a tribute to Manning.

by coltsfanawalt on Sep 18, 2008 10:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you...

For making a rational argument, related to the subject at hand. And actually, you make a good point. At the end of the day, what Peyton was able to accomplish with what he was given is very impressive.

Brady, on the other hand never had the offensive weapons that Manning had, until last year that is, where he had some top-flight receivers, and ended up obliterating so many passing records on his way to an MVP award.

Ultimately, I don’t believe the comparison is so clouded about QB performance when you look at the QB statistics that I presented above. The Colts have had a top offense for years. How do you explain Manning posting three playoff games with a QB rating under 40? Brady never choked in the playoffs, shouldn’t that count for something?

by BeansCarter on Sep 19, 2008 8:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re-Vince Young

It’s hard for a team to collapse if they were never up there in the first place.

You seem to forget if it wasn’t for Dungy letting you in you would of never went as far as you did last seaon.

You come back after the Colts and Titans meet then tell us what you think.

by Ufanforreal on Sep 18, 2008 11:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We were one dropped pass....

Away from winning our first meeting last season.

You can’t tell me that the Titans don’t match up well against the Colts. It’s basically a coin toss, as most good division rivalries are. The only cupcake team in our division is the Texans.

by BeansCarter on Sep 19, 2008 8:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where did you find your stats, I would bet if I wanted to take the time I would be able to post stats that state in the opposite favor.

by Ufanforreal on Sep 18, 2008 5:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NFL.com

Feel free to challenge each and every one of them. It will probably depress you to discover that I took the time to make sure they were exactly accurate.

Sorry if your hero’s not who you thought he was.

by BeansCarter on Sep 18, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And further

I actually like the Titans, and respect Fisher. You, however, are a different story. You put a bad taste in another’s mouth toward your team. I read your team blog, and there are alot of great fans over there. I enjoy our interaction. Then there is you, who I’ve noticed also manages to crap on the Texans fan base as well. All good will is off with your type. Maybe the Texans haven’t had the success yet to answer your antics well, but as for us, I’m sure it must bother you to see us dominate you and your division for so long. A person who kicks others usually hates the feeling the most. You must have been extra miserable watching your team finish third out of four for so long. You have my pity.

by coltsfanawalt on Sep 18, 2008 10:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed...

It does bother me to see the Colts win the division year after year. I’ll admit to that. And being a member of this blog, I am sure you are familiar with the thinly-veiled ways that BBS craps on the Titans, esp. Vince Young. But let’s be realistic; I come on here and make a factual case, backed with statistics about how Tom Brady is clearly a superior post-season quarterback, and I further make the case that the most clutch performances of all are playoff victories. Does it bother you that I have effectively made my point? Because, if you believe I am wrong, I invite you to address my arguments with some of your own.

I would also like to point out that the days of the Colts dominating the Titans are long over; we have split our series for the past two seasons. Enough is enough; the tides are changing in the AFC South.

As for crapping on the Texans, their fans had the audacity to write the Titans off, and proclaim smugly that they would be better than the Titans this year. This was laughable to me, so I took the opportunity to remind them of not only how bad they have been in the past, but how bad they are right now. I hope they learned their lesson. I have done my part, this weekend, the players will do theirs.

You can dislike my “type” as much as you like. You can “pity” me as much as you like. I wish I could say the feeling is mutual, but in truth I don’t pity you one bit. Your condescending and demeaning tone is probably at best just an ugly reflection of the person you are.

I came on here to talk about football. You turned the discussion into an ad hominem attack. Bravo, in an effort to rise above the fray, you’ve sunk solidly below it.

We’re not worried one bit as Titans fans about taking it on the field to the Colts. Bring it on. May the best team win.

by BeansCarter on Sep 19, 2008 8:07 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Texans and BBS

have opinions and hopes for their teams, which will doubtless include their opinions and hopes regarding their division rivals. At least they post these predominantly on their own team’s blog. You come over here and there and get annoyed by their opinions. If you can’t take it, just stay away. Likewise, I don’t care if you hate on the Colts in your own living room. Just don’t walk into mine and do it.

It’s funny. You call me condescending and demeaning for responding to your instigation, an ugly reflection of the person I am. Yet, it is not my reputation that is attacking or rude to others. I have posted on your team’s blog often in good discuusion, and have been well received. I have been on there posting both rationally and positively when everyone over there was all stirred up by one of BBS’ articles over here. Many times. I stayed out of the fight and didn’t heap fuel on the fire, but rather tried to reflect most everyday Colts fans I know. We aren’t so hateful, and we think well of the Titans in general. I have been called one of the most decent Colts fans they know by members of your blog. The same has been expressed from my visits to the Texans blog and the Patriots blog in the past as well.

You, on the other hand, come around to other people’s place and take a crap in their living room, You make fans of other teams glad to see things go poorly for yours. Think of BBS as you’d like, but for the most part he says his piece over here. You criticize while trolling. In fact, the most pointed and harsh post ever from me, that has provoked your character assessment of me based on the one post rather than my norm, was a response to YOU, who is once again going around and doing your normal. So maybe the ugly reflection you see is really from the mirror. And maybe you bring the worst out of people.

 Oh, and talk about the shift in power all you want, but it is still wishful thinking. If you finish the season on top of the division, that would be a start, but it would only be once. We’ve done it several years in a row now, so you have a while to go. Then, if you ever get there, try winning a super bowl. For all of Manning’s postseason failures you write about, at least he has significant postseason history and a super bowl ring. If a Pats fan makes your case, I would debate the issue further with them as I started to above. Let’s you and me look at the Titans postseason success. Not on your hopes for tomorrow.

by coltsfanawalt on Sep 19, 2008 8:57 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow
You, on the other hand, come around to other people’s place and take a crap in their living room, You make fans of other teams glad to see things go poorly for yours. Think of BBS as you’d like, but for the most part he says his piece over here. You criticize while trolling. In fact, the most pointed and harsh post ever from me, that has provoked your character assessment of me based on the one post rather than my norm, was a response to YOU, who is once again going around and doing your normal. So maybe the ugly reflection you see is really from the mirror. And maybe you bring the worst out of people.

Long-winded much?

This blog post is about Manning vs. Brady. I presented an argument as to why Brady is more “clutch” than Manning. You would be better served to follow coltsfanawalt‘s lead and actually talk about football. If you want to show that you’re a good guy and a friendly foe, you might accomplish that better by actually acting like one. Ultimately, this means talking about football. If you prefer to share your opinions about me, I’ll be happy to give you my personal email. In the meantime, keep patting yourself on the back for being one of the “most decent Colts fans”.

Review my post history, I don’t attack – I react. And I didn’t bring out he worst in you. You did. Well done, my friend.

by BeansCarter on Sep 19, 2008 9:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's useless.

I won’t convince you of anything. You are so right in your eyes. Try to comprehend this. I don’t think that I am one of the most decent Colts fans. I was merely making a point of the perception of other people, including other Titans fans besides you. I did so in response to your attack on the kind of person that I am. But I don’t think I am all that wonderful… or all that horrible.

If you think that you are not the problem, and that I have issues, whatever. You are being like you so often are in your posts, and I am guilty now of getting on your level by letting you push my button. My bad. And a waste of time. If I could delete my posts to you, I would.

by coltsfanawalt on Sep 19, 2008 9:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I need to stop posting before I have a cup of coffee

All this time I didn’t even clue in on the fact you were the same poster that made a rational point above. You actually talked about football for one of your posts.

You were on the right track there, why did you give up?

I don’t imagine you’ll come back reply to this. But I’ll leave you with my final comments. I don’t have anything against you or any other Colts fans in general. It’s too bad you took the chance to insult me and accuse me of crapping in your living room.

Sometimes you need to step back to see the bigger picture.

If this board really was nothing but a bunch of Colts fans j*rking each other off and telling each other how fantastic Manning is all the time, would it really be that interesting? Seriously…

by BeansCarter on Sep 19, 2008 9:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It seems we are going to have to stress the fact to the personal down in the sci. lab to extra strength the mixture on the Titdytroll spray.

by Ufanforreal on Sep 19, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think your post just gave me a seizure.

MDC at battleredblog would have a field day with your sub-literate display of the English language.

by BeansCarter on Sep 19, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then have him read that ……………well ,blog that you authored he would have a orgasm.

by Ufanforreal on Sep 19, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re- NFL.Com

 One thing is very obvious Peyton is better than anything your team ever had and probably ever will so you can go ahead and pump your ego up all you want because the Colts will deflate it soon enough.

by Ufanforreal on Sep 18, 2008 11:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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