Dungy presser recap:
Much the same line comming from Dungy about the breakdowns on defense. We had too many people out of position; we didn't play with enough intensity; we weren't sharp in many small areas that lead to overall breakdowns in defense.
Not much change in the rhetoric from one year to the next after these, unfortunately, recurring breakdowns on defense. As we know, the Dungy-2 relies on speed and precision to be effective and a lack in either area makes the whole thing crumble. With a defense that is built for speed, its important that they not be on the field for very long or mental and physical endurance becomes a factor; as evidenced by the poor tackling and ball pursuit as Jax wore the game on. The important thing is that a.) the offense keep the ball longer to keep the defense fresh and b.) that we evaluate if the personnel package on D is equipped to play Dungy-2 as it is obvious that they aren't understanding their assignments propery. Perhaps there are key positions that have inexperienced players such as DT that are hurting the overall scheme; that I can't say for sure. What are your thoughts?
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Breakdown on D
Its spelt Dungy, and to make a long explanation short, the perfect scenario would be the O line takes the flied and runs down flied and scores, then the D goes on stops the oponate after 3 downs and then it starts over.
As I said before the Colts D isn’t good enough to stop the run with first tackles if the did there wouldn’t have been 200 yards against them and the Jags would have had far less first downs
by Ufanforreal on Sep 22, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whats a flied? lol
April in CA
by peytonsthebest on Sep 22, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, maybe I should take spelling lessons also.
by Ufanforreal on Sep 22, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love having a spell-check feature here.
I was just trying to lighten the mood…I know I could use a laugh right now.
BTW, I completely agree with you.
April in CA
by peytonsthebest on Sep 22, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spellcheck
a huge reason I love firefox. I can’t spell (and makes lots of typos so firefox’s spellcheck really helps make me understandable.
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by shake n bake on Sep 22, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FireFox
Spell check on FF is awesome, I agree.
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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 22, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
G.M.
I don’t know if the coaching staff is the problem. I think the general manager is lazy and does not look ahead to what problems might come up. If he did you would see players that can’t hack it being cut and some one at work all the time looking into the free agents that have abilities to fill our critical spots. New England’s front office is at work keeping it rotating all the time. Jerry Jones, at it all the time. Peyton Manning is the best Q.B in the league and he is at a prime time and he needs some one covering his a— —.
by sassyblue on Sep 22, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
um…what?
We Colts fans did not pay $720 million dollars in public funds to build a brand new stadium that will get opened on Sunday Night Football by Jim Friggin Sorgi.
by KingRichard on Sep 22, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
He probably didn’t forsee one player just quitting after the draft, and another smoking his career away. Meanwhile, the Patriots gave up 201 yards rushing and 38 points to the Dolphins. The Cowboys defense is largely made up of players picked by Bill Parcells, who also built the Giants, Patriots, and Jets into contenders.
Bill Polian is quite possibly the best G.M. in football, but he can only do what he can. He knows our defense and what works, what needs to happen is John Teerlinck needs to get to it on his DL with fundamentals this week and next. And EVERYONE, including many players from the Super Bowl squad, need to learn how to tackle again.
Lastly, what makes you think that there isn’t someone looking for free agents that fill our needs? We have pro scouts like every team, but if there is nothing on the market, there is nothing on the market. He already picked up two DTs and a LB in the free agent market, and picked up Silva again at SS. So again, what’s the problem? Strangely enough, transitioning into a system might take more than a week or two. That’s why this is a profession. There are way too many “fans” who are so quick to turn on the team, its coach, and its GM if we don’t win every game. I remember it in 06. Well, get off the bandwagon. Real Colts fans know that this system works and that Bill Polian can find the guys to make it work and that Tony Dungy and his staff can coach them up. Injuries like we’ve had, and turnover at the positions where we’ve been hurt, are not an easy thing to overcome – ask the Chargers.
We will be back and we will win games. Watch for a blowout in Texas, whether its at Reliant or Rice.
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by Bullard47 on Sep 22, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...you beat me to the post
sorry to repeat some of the things you mentioned above
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Sep 22, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree!
I don’t think the system has ever worked in Indy as far as what Dungy would want his D to play like. I believe he wants a D like he had in Tampa, which is where his system worked. I believe they have played it well during the stretch of the 06 playoffs and last year, but largely this is a system that has never worked the way it was supposed to in Indy, it just got good enough not to beat us, or the offense overcame it’s flaws.
Polian is one of the best, but he has at the very least had bad luck in getting solid defensive talent that can stop the run. No one can deny that, in the Polian era, Bob Sanders is prolly the best pick-up we’ve had. That means we have 2 greats on D, and then so many on offense. All that can really be said is we need more balance. Lazy no, and certainly he’s not a bad G.M.
by Scooty4422 on Sep 22, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your balance, but its all about who Polian decides to give money to. Back in Tampa, Dungy’s defensive players got paid where as in Indy the majority of the good defensive players had to be let go. But with the balance, we wouldn’t have Dallas Clark stay with the team or maybe even a Reggie Wayne. Instead, to get that balance Harrison could be let go. Pitcocks and Johnsons presence was underrated and one of the main reason why the run D is playing poorly right now. However, this isn’t a perfect world and unforseen circumstances occur, so it what it is.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Sep 23, 2008 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Colts pay the top defenders
it’s the pretty good ones that they let go. Sanders, Freeney, Mathis all have big contracts, but the rest of the D is on their rookie deal or a pretty modest deal
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by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2008 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Parcells did a great job - Are you kidding.
Romo and Barber on the bench while Julius Jones and Bledsoe were starters. Genius. Jerry Jones is the GM – He makes the decisions on personnel based on input from the scouting dept and coaching staff. You think Bill P. chose to bring in TO?
Nobody has turned on this team, but you can’t honestly pretend that the back up linemen on either side of the ball have turned in pro bowl caliber performances. Peyton is the pro bowler and we are not protecting him. You are right that the back ups are supposed to be professionals. They need to perform that way. If they aren’t the right men to protect Peyton, why are they here and who brought them here? Every team is dealing with injuries, and somehow a number of those GM’s have competent back ups in place that know the system. I think we know from a players stats if they are undersized for the position before we sign them right?
I am a huge fan of the TEAM. If I don’t think the front office is supporting this team, I will call them on it. Everyone in the organization has to pull their weight, and if Bill Polian is getting poor scouting then he needs to correct that problem. Part of being the GM is planning ahead. You do not wait to see who is going to get hurt before you look for a back up. You get qualified back ups in the off season and churn the bottom of the roster constantly to light a fire under those guys and keep the best players.
by blacknbluenailop on Sep 27, 2008 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Polian lazy??
We have one of the best general managers in the league and the best at looking ahead. The defensive problem started during training camp when Quin Pitcock retired very very prematurely and then Ed Johnson was waived due to a bad decision he made that was not right for the Colts. Those two players alone were the teams top 2 run stuffing DTs and starters to start the season. Then Dawson, Foster, and Brock were going to come in and be the teams pass rusher DTs. That was the teams anticapated DT rotation to start the year, which was not a bad plan by any means. Polian could have not taken into account Pitcock to retire and then Johnson kicked off the team. He made a few moves to get Ramsey and Muir, but those two may not live up to the quality of Pitcock and Johson so other players will have to step up, and I think they will.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Sep 22, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There you go
A little righteous defense of the team we support. I didn’t mean any harm. Everyone is down on some one. I love the colts and always support them. We do have a great team and I know they will come back and finish at the top. Sorry. Thats the defense we need and look at all the positive.
by sassyblue on Sep 22, 2008 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And by the way the key players in the cowboys lineup this year have been hand picked by Jerry Jones.
by sassyblue on Sep 22, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to this to come out the wrong way or anything, but I really do not get your point with GMs such as New Englands and Jerry Jones.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Sep 22, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point
They believe that Jerry Jones and NE G.M. are good ones…that there point
by Scooty4422 on Sep 22, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea they are good…but how does that relate to Polian and the Colts. Since Polian has worked for the Colts, the Colts have been way more successful than the Jones and the Cowboys and have won just about as many games as Pioli and the Patriots (obviously not as many super bowls…still workin on that one though).
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Sep 23, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are wrong
At least on the defensive side of the ball. You could make an argument for TO and Romo, but Parcells could have and maybe should have sent Flozell Adams packing, but kept him around, and he drafted MB3, he also put together the rest of the line and got them Witten. Defensively, the only remarkable choices that Wade “Mr. Fix It” Phillips has had would be Mike Jenkins and Pacman. Anthony Spencer has a chance to be a player, but doesn’t get very many snaps, which is said considering the fact that they play Bobby Carpenter. And I am not going to put the miracle of their new NT on JJ and Wade.
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by Bullard47 on Sep 23, 2008 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Tank
And the coaches in Dallas don’t have much say. JJ doesn’t just run the team he has his hand on the city too. He is just the kind of guy Dallasites love. Plenty of moola to spread around. Parcells was plenty against TO being on the team and he is not gone for any other reason than he did not fit in.
by sassyblue on Sep 23, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I don’t mean they are better or even compatible. I was just looking at a place on NFL.com and it showed all this rotating and cutting of players (at New England) and activity to stay under the cap that looked to me like somebody was working to keep the players on the field backed up. I don’t like Jerry Jones one bit but he has a fire that will let him stop at nothing to be a Super Bowl champ. (granted some of the players he is signing have questionable character, but he has put a team together that looks like we might see them there) Everyone was down on Dungy and I couldn’t understand that. Some one was even talking “fire Peyton” I guess I was just wanting someone to have a reason to defend the team that we know is great.. I looked for the same info about colts head office activity and could not find it . But don’t I kinda make you feel better when you look at the positive.
by sassyblue on Sep 22, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and in New England it won’t matter what they do, they have some bad karma going on.
by sassyblue on Sep 22, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look
The problem sassyblue seems to have is that other teams are always “doing something”. Its a problem that affects fans as well as voters. They always want to see “a solution” and they want to see it now, even though the system may not be the problem just the circumstances.
I understand that there are a few of you, probably not many, who pay good many for season tickets to Colts games. You have a right to be upset if the product on the field is not worth the investment, but as in just about every arena of life, haste makes waste and the “decisive solution” may not be taking into account the totality of the situation. Let’s think about the context here and we can see that yes, we’ve had rush defense problems before, but they have been repairable before, so there is no reason to believe that the current debacle will not be resolved. This was just Week 3. We have 13 games to play, and a bye to get ready for it and get healthy.
If you believe that a personnel change is out there waiting to be made, throw it out there. But if Bill Polian hasn’t made a move, you can be assured there is a reason – there isn’t a move to make.
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by Bullard47 on Sep 23, 2008 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
They have worked out problems in the past. And, IMO, Polian is the best there is at what he does. I do have faith in him, the coaches, the system and the players who remain (and maybe a few additions, too).
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by peytonsthebest on Sep 23, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#1 QB
I want to see a change because of a QB like Peyton. After 10 years of being the Colts does he deserve to get the crap beat out of him. This should be his time to get to relax in the pocket and show his amazing talents. We shouldn’t expect him to shoulder the team. If he, God forbid, got hurt where would we be?
by sassyblue on Sep 23, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peyton is sacked less than just about any QB in the league
Peyton has been sacked an average of 19 times per season on a pass heavy, compare that to say, Ben Roeslesburger last Sunday who was sacked 8 times just in that game.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three
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by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2008 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that
But he is always under pressure these last three games.
by sassyblue on Sep 23, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it was something to do with
there being only 1 or 2 starters on the OL that were healthy in those games. When Ugoh (and maybe Pollak) comes back after the bye we’ll see a nice jump in the line’s performance.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It"
by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
I just worry. I know these guys will get healthy and we will come back strong.
by sassyblue on Sep 23, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the offense is not the biggest problem. We need to put the points on the board and we could if P had more time to find the 3 great WR. I mean if we have 3 great receivers out there being covered and a ok RB that needs coverage and now Dallas is back he needs to be watched, then why is Peyton getting rushed so much? I have a theory, everyone out there knows he is our weapon and if they massacre him we are weak. Dallas Cowboys had a franchise in the early 90’s and when they let the o line go down they lost him to concussions and it has taken them 10 years to recover. But they had 3 SB rings. 92 93 95
by sassyblue on Sep 23, 2008 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ranting and not paying attention
I meant defense here not offense.
by sassyblue on Sep 23, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insightful
I have a theory, everyone out there knows he is our weapon and if they massacre him we are weak
They do that when we’re healthy…everybody knows you pressure Peyton, it frustrates him and he may make a decision that he normally wouldn’t. ie: force a throw (interception)
So, what better time to pressure him than when our OL is not up to its normal standards?
April in CA
by peytonsthebest on Sep 23, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difficult
I am not trying to be difficult. I just hate to see Peyton in this situation, and I cringe when I see him under pressure. I am frustrated. By the way did anyone see the Chargers last night? Seems like they have found there legs.
by sassyblue on Sep 23, 2008 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or the Jets aren't very good
I vote for that one.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It"
by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like their KR/PR tho..
That guy is good. Wouldn’t mind having him…
April in CA
by peytonsthebest on Sep 23, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leon Washington
if he hadn’t come into the league at the same time as Hester and Josh Cribbs he would get a lot more hype.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three
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by shake n bake on Sep 23, 2008 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One problem with the Pressure Peyton theory
If you look at the game film from this weekend, you’ll notice that most of Peytons really bad throws were done when he had plenty of time and wasn’t under pressure. On the REALLY BAD pick in the End zone, Peyton had plenty of time, and was able to step up into his throw and still threw it 3-4 yards short. I understand that’s not an easy throw to make but if you can’t make it don’t throw it into triple coverage. It seems to me that Peyton is slipping into some of his old bad habits of trying to win the games himself. He needs to play more within himself and the constructs of the offense. Rely more on the running game even if it looks like the other team is stacking against it. The problem with this whole “Peyton” calls or changes the play based on what the defense shows him is that the other teams all know this and can then help dictate what plays you run by showing you a certain defense. Even if that’s not the actual defense you are going to play. Teams seem to undertand this year that Peyton is rusty and feeling flustered and so they are showing him defenses tempting him to throw. Then actually playing a defense designed to disrupt a passing play.
by Rob-Westside on Sep 23, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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