Now what....
I'm defiantly not trying to disrespect or take anything away from Dungy at all on this very important day.. but, there's no point in delaying anything. What do you think Caldwell will change if anything? What do you feel should be addressed? I understand that he (Caldwell) has shadowed a genius for years now, and hopefully some expirence will "rub off" onto him. But Caldwell's college record doesn't leave anything to be desired. Any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated.
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Dungy hinted at some things Caldwell said he wanted to “tweak.” We will speculate here for some time as to what those “tweaks” are. Don’t focus on Caldwell’s college record. Peter Carroll, who is a moron, is a “great” college coach.
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by BigBlueShoe on Jan 12, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Plus, Caldwell how been in the league for 8 years while learning from a hall of fame coach. His college record has nothing to do with his coaching ability, and the respect that he gets with the players is obviously a tremendous trait.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 12, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of intent
You can’t expect Caldwell to leave everything exactly the same for the simple reason that some unique combination of circumstance will present itself and Caldwell will have to make decisions without Dungy.
I assume that with Polian still around, we won’t see a change in philosophy around acquiring talent… it will still be a “build them from the Draft and don’t make a big splash in FA” approach.
I doubt we’d see anything drastic like moving to a 4-3 defense.
And I don’t think we’ll suddenly see Sorgi thrust out there as the starting QB.
Maybe the tweaks he referred to are tweaks that Dungy would have put in anyway if he were staying? Like shore up the running game?
by LovinBlue on Jan 12, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised if we changed defense if Meeks leaves
It’s a new era, and we know nothing about Caldwell. Maybe he likes the 4-3 defense like the G-men run or maybe a 3-4. Who knows. All I know is I am still thrilled about the immediate future of the team.
by Colts Homer on Jan 12, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
would take forever
to get from our current defense to a 3-4:(
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by Nideak on Jan 12, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with the current personnel they aren't running anything but a cover 2 for a while
maybe once Wheeler gets into the lineup we could see more blitzing, but I expect the defensive plan to be “same thing, but better” for next season
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by shake n bake on Jan 12, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im actually really excited about the D next year and I anticipate for them to be dominate, similiar to 07 if not better (before Freeney got injured).
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 12, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Meeks defensive philosophy the same as Dungy’s? Can’t imagine they’d change with high-priced 4-3 personnel such as Freeney.
As long as Manning is still the offensive coordinator/QB I can’t imagine they’ll mess with it.
by cleanface on Jan 12, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We could run a 3-4
If we wanted to. Both Mathis and Foster came in as LBs initially. I was wondering the other day why they would draft Wheeler at all. He was considered one of the best blitzers and his coverage was questionable. It would really come down to how we think our secondary could handle it and what we do in the draft. Watch it closely. If we draft a Cody or a Raji with Marks or Jerry still there, there’s a good chance you just might see that. Or if they get a shut down DB or a 3-4 style LB. It’s really too early to assume, but it’s within reason with a couple tweaks to our personel. That wasn’t a play on words to the above mentioned statement. But all you’d have to do is do a rotation with Brock and Foster on one end with Freeney opposite, Cody or that type of big 3-4 NT, put Mathis at SAM and Wheeler at Will, and Brackett or Session at Mike. I think Session would make a great 3-4 Mike, he’s more of that type of LB anyway. Hayden has demonstrated he MIGHT be able to hang on an island with a zone to the opposite and Sanders playing over him to catch things.
And we have to see what happens with Meeks. If Meeks goes, the replacing coordinator will definitely tell us something along with the draft. We could do it with a couple well scouted picks very easily. In fact, I think with our personel, a couple tweaks would make us a very dominant, insanely fast 3-4.
With that said, we’re very close to locking down the T2. It’s not like we weren’t 1st in defense in 2007 and 2nd in 2005 or anything right after we shut down everyone in the 2006 playoffs. In fact, our defense looked like the stronger of the two in the SD game. Why fix what isn’t broken?
by monstersbox on Jan 12, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Correction, it’s a physical impossiblity to fix something that isn’t broken, but I agree with you.
I don’t like 3-4 defenses to be honest, it’s just a matter of personal opinion. The one thing I want to see happen with the retirement of Coach Dungy, is for Ron Meeks to stamp his name on this team for once, that’s assuming he doesn’t leave. Over the years I’ve often wondered how much of the success of the defense was due to Ron Meeks, and how much is due to Tony. I think we’ll find out very quickly just how much influence Dungy had on that defense, since defense was his main expertise. I don’t think a change in philosophy would be a wise move, however it’s always fun to throw a wrench in the gears sometimes by catching some offenses off guard.
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by KingRichard on Jan 13, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be a lot harder to get to the 3-4 than you do.
The Colts have, imo, 6 of the 5 positions set for the 3-4. They would have an amazing depth of talent at OLB. They would also be set at the DB position, which Hayden and Jackson probably being more physically imposing than the DBs out of the 2 3-4 teams still in the playoffs.
But they have no one that could play a 2-gap, fatmans 3-4. The only player that even comes close, really, is Antonio Johnson, and you’d be asking a 2 year player to go from a 1-gap penetrating NT to a 2-gap DE.
As for ILB, I don’t know who on this team would be big enough, strong enough at the POA to be a 3-4 ILB . So lets just say I’ll concede that we have all of the DBs, all of the OLBs, and even one DE and one ILB. That still leaves the imperative job of finding 2 350+ lbs NTs (you’re gonna have to have SOME depth at the position), another DE for starting,1 for depth, another ILB and probably 1 for depth.
And then you’re going to have to take a group of kids who have been taught only one thing in their lives and have them re-learn defense. I would say to go from the T2 to the 3-4 at this point would be at best a 2 year project. The only benefit you’d get from it is the high draft pick next year.
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by Nideak on Jan 13, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
You just said all the right things Nideak. However, when Manning retires and Freeney, Wayne and Clark are either in the twillight of their careers, retired or have moved on; then I don’t care if we change the defense.
by jocre on Jan 13, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
going to a 3-4 would be a disaster, even another style of 4-3 would be ugly with the current personnel.
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by shake n bake on Jan 13, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also, i think if Hayden is, in fact, resigned, it will be a signal that this team is changing.
If Hayden signs a big money deal, that will leave S done long term, CB done long term, DE done long term. That leaves LB or DT. I say OR because I don’t think you have to concentrate on either area. You either need LBers that can shed/avoid blocks and make tackles well, or you need good DTs that penetrate so well they eat up 2 blocks and allow the LBers to roam free. This is obviously common knowledge for most people on this board, my point is only, after this off-season, most of the money will be being spent on defense, or it will be as close to 50/50 as it can be. I would assume at that point that the Colts, with WR1, TE, and QB taken care of long term, that the focus of the offense will be on the OL.
Basically, what I’m hoping is in the process of happening is the Colts are attempting to build a defense thats about 80% as good as the one Tony had in Tampa Bay, only instead of Shaun King and Brad Johnson, they’ll have Peyton Manning.
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by Nideak on Jan 13, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Defense is going into the right direction and Im actually really excited about it. I wouldn’t doubt it they add another CB somewhere in the draft too along with the obvious DT (Jackson is going into his last season of his contract). I think the offense showed (besides running the ball) that they can pass the ball against anyone without Harrison on the field (2007 season and against the Jags this year) and without Gonzo in the 2006 season.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 13, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I disagree
Considering the majority of our DEs and DTs were originally LBs. Meaning they can learn new systems. Trust me, I’ll back it up. And I said if we drafted a Cody or picked someone up. And we’re pretty deep at DE. Even if we do move Mathis (his natural position) to LB.
And I didn’t say we’d be better at it. Especially considering we’re on the verge of having one of the most dominant T2s seen in a very long time. My point was that we could do it and be more successful with our current personel and some key changes to employ it effectively. I’m pretty sure I said that. Actually, I’m positive. The argument that people would have to learn new positions isn’t even remotely close to being a factor. The dudes on our D-line basically all started off as pass rushing LBs. And Wheeler was considered the best blitzing LB in the draft. And Session is big enough, fast enough, and has been showing signs and potential to be a legit 3-4 LB if asked. Those are 2 POA LBs right there without looking outside the organization. The only argument that’s strong is the fact that we don’t have a 350 lb DT. Sounds to me like the exact same argument against the Colts right now is pretty much exactly the same.
I didn’t say it was a good idea. The T2 is still, in my opinion, one of the best defenses in the league. It’s just hard to master and easy to mess up. Whereas mediocre teams can get by with a 3-4 and not look like fools. And I’m not saying we look like fools as it is. Simply put, half of our defense are either LBs or former LBs who had to learn to be DTs or DEs but had the talent and ability to do it. Just because we use them as DEs and DTs doesn’t mean they can’t go back. And I said watch if they draft a Cody or a Raji with Jerry or Marks still on the board.
I know exactly what type of personel it takes to run a 3-4. And we have most of it on our team already. And I covered the points about the ILB and DT, you’re making it out to sound like I said “Oh, all we have to do is use the exact same guys in the same positions and we’ll be fine.” That would’ve been a much shorter initial post if that’s what I said.
by monstersbox on Jan 13, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They have exactly two guys big enough to play on the DL in a 3-4 (Muir and Mookie)
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by shake n bake on Jan 13, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I said that the Colts would have depth at OLB, I was meaning: Brock, Freeney, Mathis, etc… would all have to play OLB. There are no 3-4 DEs on this team. Freeney, as much as I love him, would never be successful as a DE in a 2 gap 3-4 system. Brock and Mathis would be too small. As shake said, Muir and Johnson might be big enough, but they would become DEs. You’re left without a DT, and I still believe you’ll be without ILBs. Session might make it as a ILB, but I think Wheeler would probably be an OLB. I think that Session would actually be the SS OLB, but I’m trying to help out.
I think that the point of learning a new system is actually valid. One main reason for the Colts success is they pick a system that realizes more on fundamentals than one on learning 100 different shifts, blitzes, and techniques. Young talent that can play fast and be taught a zone. There is a completely different scheme that has to be taught when you go to a 3-4. And I tihnk the Colts would definitely have to go to a Pittsburgh version of the 3-4 with a lot of zone blitzes, because I don’t think their secondary would hold up to a lot of man coverages.
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by Nideak on Jan 13, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you added a NT you could get a passing downs 3-4
with Brock and Foster, but no chance they could hold up as 3-4 DEs vs the run.
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by shake n bake on Jan 13, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3-4
You do realize that Muir and Johnson are all bigger than anyone the Cowboys use in their 3-4 right? And Reid is about the same size. Ratliff, their NT is 298, Tank Johnson (their other NT) is 300, Spears is 305, and Canty is 299. And the only one bigger on Pitt is Hampton. The Williams brothers from Minnesota are bigger than that. Like I said, the weakness we have right now is the same weakness we’d have going to a 3-4. All Dallas did was take a 4-3 Cover 2 and pull Ware off the line. Foster is a converted LB moved to DE and then move to DT because of our bad luck. All 3-4s aren’t the same, just like all 4-3s aren’t the same. They have smaller, quicker 3-4s and bigger heavy 3-4s. Just like they have smaller quicker 4-3s and bigger more powerful 4-3s. The argument’s the exact same about stopping the run. In the majority of 3-4s you normally blitz at least 1 LB but have the ability to disguise it. Essentially you’re just not showing who’s going to be in your 4 man front. It wouldn’t be any different than standing up Mathis and pulling him 1 yard off the line, that’s basically what the Cowboys did with Ware. The Patriots were running a 4-3/3-4 hybrid for years until they got enough big bodies to put on the line full time. And in a 4-3 T2 the DEs are just LBs that play on the line. They aren’t there to stop the run. Whereas in a 3-4 you have the same thing but the LBs have a chance to react to run or pass and don’t get shoved to the outside or have people hanging on their facemasks the entire game. Tell me what 4.48 and 4.56 speed does when all they do is throw you on the ground or push you outside? Well that’s Freeney and Mathis. Then all you have is one 265 lb (Foster) guy and a DT with LBs dropping back in coverage and playing the pass first and run based on reaction. Tell me how leaving Freeney on the line, getting a 325+ lb NT and using Reid, Brock, or Muir is any less effective than a 245 (Mathis), 265 (Foster), 254 (Dawson), and 268 (Freeney) with Freeney and Mathis being shoved to the outside and only having our 2 undersized DTs trying to hold the line? Ok, so we leave Freeney on the line and he gets pushed outside, now we have a 325+ NT and either one of Brock, Reid, Muir, or Johnson all being 280-310 and the ability to disguise a pass rush with Mathis, Session, Wheeler, Sanders etc. The 2 dudes left on the line that have been 2 throughout the year would be close to 150 lbs more than what consistently happens now.
And I’ve been saying it the entire time, I like the T2 ALOT better than 3-4s. I’m only saying that it’s possible, and in some situations, moving from our base T2 to a 3-4 hybrid would unbalance teams. The Colts rarely shift out of their T2 to bring a blitz and basically rely on either the zone reacting to the patterns and the DEs getting pressure. Most QBs sit there and look for slight mistakes and try to exploit it. Luckily we’re very good at the T2, but it’s definitely a reactionary defense as opposed to a pressure/confusing one that doesn’t allow a QB to get comfortable. With the heavy blitzing teams, not only do the QBs have to wait for a mistake, but their O-line and QB have to react to the unexpected. That causes alot of QBs to look nervous and make incorrect reads. Watch QBs when they play the Colts. They sit there and read the defense, most of our sacks come when Freeney or Mathis beat someone and the guy goes down. Now look at teams when they play the blitzers, their eyes move more, they scramble more, and even if they see the pressure, they can’t get away from it. And you don’t even have to be a 3-4 to be a crazy blitzing team. Philly has some of the craziest blitzes and they play a Cover 2 4-3. And like I said, all Dallas is is a 4-3 with a guy pulled off the line.
There’s alot of stuff we could do. I thought we should’ve been using a 2 man under buzz more than we have been. Granted it would’ve hinged on Sanders being there and our run defense is better with him either way, but when he wasn’t there, it would’ve helped stop the bleeding.
“One main reason for the Colts success is they pick a system that realizes more on fundamentals than one on learning 100 different shifts, blitzes, and techniques. Young talent that can play fast and be taught a zone.”
Great point. Seeing how we don’t really keep guys around for a long time and get alot of undrafted or practice squad guys, this is a very valid point. That’s why when they leave our team they look like crap. And all our money is on offense. However, with the age of our offense not getting any younger and the chance of us getting another Peyton, I actually think tilting the favoritism from the offense to the defense would be beneficial at this point. We have the important pieces on offense locked up around Peyton until he decides to leave. It’d be nice to continue to draft defensive guys who can help now and stick around for when our veteran offense guys retire and get their second contracts juicy enough to stay until we find our post-Manning identity. Very good point though, you should’ve elaborated on that and used it as your main point.
Either way drafting a DT, be it a Cody or a Jerry will help our run defense and overall defense at the same time. But I agree with shake and think we should utilize the 3-4 pass situation type hybrid formation. Even if it’s a bluff. You could easily pull Mathis or Freeney off and still have it look like blitz and drop them into a robber type role. We should just get Cody and run the 1-5-5. That’d be sick. I want to see someone run that defense one day instead of it just being a trick defense/Madden one. Or the UFO. I really liked the UFO. I saw Cleveland running it against the Giants about 4-5 times that game. It’s not any regimented defense, you just have your guys walking around like they’re not paying attention and never really set, but they know exactly where they’re going. Done correctly that could be a devastating defense. It’d be like the WildCat on defense.
Sorry, tangent, I just really like defensive scheming.
by monstersbox on Jan 13, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could not follow the lineup you wanted to run a 3-4 with
could you just post who is at which spot?
NT:
DE:
OLB:
ILB:
and Foster was never a LB, he played DE then DT in college and was always a DT with Indy.
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by shake n bake on Jan 13, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NT: Peyton Manning
DE: Reggie Wayne and Anthony Gonzalez
OLB: Dallas Clark and Gijon Robinson
ILB: Joseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes
by skywalker on Jan 13, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NT: Peyton Manning. Good one.
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet that 3-4 would finish with the same rank against the run as one run without overhauled D personnel
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by shake n bake on Jan 13, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ouch
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Jan 13, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My fault
It wasn’t Foster, you’re right, he was a DE. (http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?sport=1&player=37069&type=scoutingreport#scouting) Marcus Howard was a LB/DE in college. Keyunta Dawson was drafted as a LB/DE. Curtis Johnson undrafted but predicted to play pass rush OLB. We pretty much have 16 LBs/DEs and 2 DTs on our depth chart.
NT : Cody/Raji, Johnson, Muir
LE : Brock, Foster, Reid
LOLB : Mathis, Wheeler, Johnson (Curtis)
LILB : Brackett, Davis
RE : Freeney, Dawson, Thomas
RILB : Keiaho, Senn
ROLB : Session, Hagler
The more POA LBs line over Freeney for run support. Those are two of our best run stoppers aside from Keiaho, but Keiaho and Brackett are our two best coverage LBs. Keiaho also adds added support for the run. Freeney is actually capable of holding his own with the run as is and is pretty much the victim of double teams anyway so using him as a DE in a 3-4 he’d basically get the same treatment. Freeney and Mathis could also switch on and off on the line to give different looks and keep the offense off balance, however, Mathis would probably do as well or better in the Demarcus Ware/ James Harrison blitz everydown type LB. With Cody or a fat boy NT in the middle and blitzing coming from different positions aside from Brackett, I actually think our run D would be better under this and still provide pressure. Mathis would be a LB in name only pretty much and wouldn’t line up as far back as a traditional LB. It’d help negate the ability of the offense to push both Freeney and Mathis to the outside or pretty much grab their face masks and do whatever they want, but still allow for his speed to get to the QB and make him more of a factor in the running game. As it stands now, our LBs drop into coverage, our DEs are either held or pushed to the outside, they pinch or seperate our DTs, and they have their choice where they want to run. This setup would take advantage of our best hitting LBs speed and provide support to our line without jeopardizing our ability to keep the zones. It’d basically be the zone blitzing mentality you were talking about. We did a similar thing against Jacksonville when MJD was tearing us up with Brock. It’d help stop the screen passes to fast backs that kill us by allowing our LBs to act as lineman and react to a play as it happens as opposed to shooting through a gap and finding yourself alone. Freeney could also stand up and prevent defenses from reading the defense presnap. Both Freeney and Mathis have the speed to basically cover anyone except the fast receivers and RBs. Although that’d be very far down their list of priorities, it’s still a weapon.
Now can I stop explaining? I like the T2 better, but as I’ve said, it’s within the realm of reason. And there’s still a possibility of a LB 2nd round pick. That’s only with what we have on the team now + a first round pick. Would it be better than what we have now? I’d say in run defense and pressure it would be, but it’d sacrifice a little in the way of pass defense. Not much because the zones are still there, and it wouldn’t require Sanders to constantly play in the box and might just extend his career a little. It’s pretty much just a modified T2 with more flexibility and different looks so we’re not predictable. Because we saw in that Jags game what happens when we blitz. Maybe with Marlin we won’t have to rely on zones for coverage.
But like I said, I’m going to stop arguing, I like the T2 and while it’s extremely simple to understand, it’s extremely difficult to master and we’re almost there. My point was simply, if we wanted to do it we’re not going to turn into Detroit or KC. We’d probably be about the same overall with a slightly lower pass defense and a slightly higher run defense. Maybe more turnovers, sacks, and the ability to make teams go 3 and out or not have 10 minute drives, but that’s not a prediction you can make without knowing the players that will be there.
by monstersbox on Jan 13, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t read your whole post, but I just wanted to point out one thing you said that is wrong. Keiaho is not one of the best pass coverage linebackers on the Colts roster. In fact, he’s arguably one of the worst, which is why the Colts routinely went into nickel coverage and subbed him out in obvious passing situations.
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by KingRichard on Jan 13, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keiaho is awful on TEs
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by shake n bake on Jan 13, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give the guy a break
“Freddy’s the kind of guy you need to build championship teams from the inside out: hustling hard-hitters who spend a year or so learning, then take advantage of their opportunities. The guy’s only 5-11, 225, but he made a big difference.” Mark Schlereth
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2006/draft/players/21084.html
"The Tampa-2 funnels a lot to the weak side linebacker, so pushing Freddy Keiaho inside weakens the run defense, " Football Outsiders in December
http://nooffseason.com/index.php/player-news/ind-keiaho-battled-sore-elbow-in-2007.html
He’s been playing through nagging injuries the past two seasons. And if you want to call Dungy a moron for thinking the best person to move to MLB when Brackett was out wasn’t good in coverage….well let’s say I trust Dungy over any of us. And you’re not going to be a god against TEs when you’re 5’11 and have injuries.
by monstersbox on Jan 13, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the first two talk more about his run D, which is good
Keiaho was moved because he had the most experience there and the other options sucked worse. Session had finally learned how to play SAM and Hagler was just getting back into the lineup. They even tried Buster there before playing Keiaho in the middle in a big game.
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by shake n bake on Jan 13, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was more
Because of shakiness on run d. Their pass d was fine. I’m sure Dungy would’ve rather have had his best run d in because the pass isn’t what worried them. They had problems on run d all year. He obviously was their best run stopper. And he was second in tackles and had over 100. For a LB that means he’s moving all around the field. They’d be significantly less if they were “pulling him on obvious passing situations” and if he wasn’t getting to receivers. Sure he misses tackles and plays, he hasn’t been around that long. For his age, he’s progressing at a very nice pace. The key about one of the statements I put was that he’s learning. How many LBs come right out of college and have an immediate impact that play a significant role in a very mental LB scheme? I think he’s doing pretty well.
by monstersbox on Jan 13, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Keiaho has been the same since the NO game to open the season last year. Remember when he dislocated his shoulder and continued to play through it? He’s been good since that point, but hasn’t really shown the flashes of WOW that he had shown prior to that. I’m referring to run and pass D.
Hopefully a full year of health and a good off season will return him to his previous form.
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by Nideak on Jan 14, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he dislocated his elbow.
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by KingRichard on Jan 14, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ya
it was, you’re right. he wore that elbow brace that looked like a bionic arm.
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by Nideak on Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see this
Yeah, definitely elbow. I’ll tell you what, I’ve dislocated my shoulder four or five times and never my elbow, but just thinking about it makes me happy it wasn’t my shoulder. That would suck. I can’t even imagine that, I’d be afraid my arm was about to break in two. Just thinking about it makes me cringe.
by monstersbox on Jan 14, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
question mark
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
by KingRichard on Jan 14, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why should I give him a break? I actually like Freddie, he just isn’t great at pass coverage. Btw, Gary Brackett and Bob Sanders don’t seem to do too bad in pass coverage with their size.
I’m confused as to what you are trying to convince me of with these links. And why should I care what that puppet Mark Schlereth thinks of Freddie?
I understand he has been playing with nagging injuries, but what does that or any of the other stuff you said have to do with his lack of pass coverage skills? You’re kind of all over the place here man.
And I’m not saying Dungy is a moron for making the move. But what you fail to realize is he didn’t really have much of a choice.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
by KingRichard on Jan 14, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's my point
I didn’t say “OMG HE”S SO AWESOME LOLOLOL!" I said he’s our BEST coverage guy of what we have. And the reason behind the posts was to point out the fact that he was very good in coverage and has had a down year that could be associated with injuries. Session is more of an attacker and still learning. Brackett is our best coverage LB. If you think Buster or Wheeler or Hagler are better at coverage that’s your opinion, but I don’t agree. It’s understood when offensive players get hurt for their production to not be at their peak, but someone on defense gets hurt (aside from Freeney, Sanders, or Mathis) and they suck. I don’t agree with that at all. He’s still extremely young and shows more upside and potential and has already accomplished alot for a 3rd year man. If I remember, he had quite a bit of playing time when we won the SB and our defense shut everyone down.
“And I’m not saying Dungy is a moron for making the move. But what you fail to realize is he didn’t really have much of a choice.”
And that was my point. For what he had, he was the best coverage guy.
And why should you care what Schlereth wrote? Well, I spent about 3 hours last night trying to investigate the claim of his sucky pass coverage. And the only thing I could find about him was praise. There was one where it talked about him recently missing tackles, but as I said, he’s been injured and people have off games. And nobody was tackling MJD that game.
by monstersbox on Jan 14, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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Not of what we have, but after Brackett went out is what I meant.
by monstersbox on Jan 14, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be awful against the run
and have zero depth up front
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Jan 13, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depth
You’re right about the depth. Otherwise I probably would’ve said put Johnson as the starter at LE but I’m pretty sure Foster’s 265 lbs isn’t going to be NT material, even as a backup. That’s really the only reason why I listed Brock. But if you had Freeney, Raji/Cody, and Johnson on the line, that’d be better than what we have now. And as I’ve said, those same arguments about depth are the exact same ones we have now. An argument used in favor of the 4-3 over the 3-4 shouldn’t be able to be used against both.
So we’re 2, maybe 3 guys plus backups to be a very good T2. The way I see it, we’re 2, maybe 3 guys away from being a good 3-4. And I actually said “I’d say in run defense and pressure it would be, but it’d sacrifice a little in the way of pass defense” So yes, I understand what moving Keiaho to ILB would mean. However, the ability to mask plays and confuse would offset this. They wouldn’t be able to throw the TE out on every play like they can do now because he might have to block. That’s pretty much a given. And for the most part, 3-4s have the ability to put together more intricate zones with the extra LB, so on obvious passing downs, send the front 3 and drop into spys and man unders/robbers. The way most of our LBs are, it’d pretty much be like harder hitting, slightly slower nickel that blitzes.
So we draft a DT in the first round, LB in the 2nd or 3rd, pick up an UFA 315ish DT or someone cheap and there you go. Even when talking about the T2 it’s still pretty much given we need a DT and I’ve made cases and can see cases for a LB in our current defense. And at the moment, our DT depth sucks pretty bad just as you said it would in a 3-4, I’m not arguing that. I’m just trying to figure out where I agree with you.
From what I’ve gathered you’ve said:
1) Don’t have a DT that can do it and no depth
A) Yeah, that’s sort of what we have now
2) Keiaho isn’t great in coverage and isn’t good against TEs
A) I’m sorry, explain how a LB that plays in a system designed to specifically use it’s LBs in coverage would be worse in a system that would be taking a lineman off the line and adding an extra LB that could either help in coverage or force quicker throws by opposing QBs is worse? Aside from the MLB, the overall pressure for LBs in a 3-4 is actually less when it comes to coverage, so that would be an argument for a 3-4 over a T2.
by monstersbox on Jan 14, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Let me clarify. I completely agree with you that if we didn’t address the needs we have on defense that switching to a 3-4 with our current personel would be insanely idiotic. But the needs we have on defense could be catered towards either a T2 or a 3-4 and would make us better than we are this year and, done properly and well thought out, would make both better against the run, and ability to stop teams from milking the clock.
I could see how I could’ve been confusing.
by monstersbox on Jan 14, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boy it's funny how comments can be misconstrued
I didn’t post my comment to suggest that there would be a change in defensive philosophy. Specifically, I said that we WOULDN’T see drastic changes to it. Wow.
by LovinBlue on Jan 13, 2009 2:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was only responding
Because it would be possible to run a 3-4. I agree, I don’t think we will, but all I’m saying is we could by next year and not look like idiots.
by monstersbox on Jan 13, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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