And the postman didn’t even get to New England.

We could start with improving the run game. Draft some bad ass DT’s to stop those irritating 3rd down conversions. Improve our special teams by finding a true KR. And get a better medical staff to prevent stupid injuries like what happened to Marlin Jackson. If we do those four things then we would be unstoppable.

How many games does Warner have to win to get some respect? IFirst, he couldn’t beat quality teams. Now 3 quality teams later and it is because he is in the crappy NFC. Arguments that include “if Manning played in the NFC…” are as stupid as it gets. It gets old hearing how Manning never has a team around him to help him win it all. Remember, when the Colts did win, Manning was anything but spectacular. And more often than not…he does poorly in the playoffs. This is not fiction…this is fact. I also take offense to you saying I looked stupid with my argument. Anyone who says that Warner is not money in the playoffs is an idiot. Take that how you will…when Manning gets to 3 superbowls talk to me. Manning=best regular season QB ever…but when playoff time comes around…not so much.

I chose my screen name precisely because of this argument. I watch the games. I have come to this conclusion based on what I have seen Peyton do for the past 14 years. So, while it may appear that I’m biased – really I’m not.

Like Montana and Marino…who do you think is better? Is Montana better simply because his team won so many Superbowls?

A 90.4 QB rating, 310 yards and 0 INTs is pretty good any way you want to cut it. And a 60.4 QB rating with no touchdowns and an INT isn’t (Rivers numbers in that same game if you were wondering). And that’s including OT. Oh yeah, that insane Pittsburgh D? 308 yds, 105.4 rating, 3 TDs.

You’re right though, Peyton didn’t try to block the punts, and when that failed, run back to return them. So you’re right, he didn’t raise his level of play to where it needed to be to win that game. Maybe next time he’ll take a pipe to Winters’ knees before he comes out onto the field too.

Or maybe you were referring to the 97.7 402 yard 3 TD one with his 2 INTs coming off of tipped passes? Yeah, didn’t raise his level there either.

Oh wait, I’ll go back a little further because I’m sure there’s one recently. Ahh, how about the Steelers game from 2005? 90.9 1 TD, 0 INT 290 yards.

I’ll give you the Pats game from 04, 69.3 0 TD 1 INT, 238 yards. Funny though, his playoff rating was 107.4.

I’ll give you 2003 too, 35.5 237 yards, 1 TD 4 INT. Playoff rating 106.4.

Yes, Jets blew us out, made him look terrible. 31.2 rating

Dolphins 82.0 rating 0 INT.

Titans 62.3 rating, 0 INT.

But let me let you counter your point. Let’s see how Warner’s been “raising his game” as you say.

1999 – MIN – 143.0 5 TD 1 INT, 1 FUMB lost
            TB – 56.2 1 TD 3 INT, 1 FUMB
            TEN – 99.7 2 TD 0 INT, 1 FUMB
Overall – 100

2000 – NO – 83.9 3 TD 3 INT,1 FUMB lost

2001 – GB – 90.4 2 TD 1 INT
            PHI – 94.5 1 TD 0 INT,1 FUMB
            NE – 78.3 1 TD 2 INT,1 FUMB
Overall – 86.7

Let me help you out a bit, I’ll skew this towards your argument and only put in the SB Champion playoff records from recent years. This will negate the years they didn’t make it because I only want samples of players during their years they were able to “raise their game”.

Eli Manning – 2007
TB – 117.1, 2 TD, 0 INT, 1 SCK
DAL – 132.4, 2 TD, 0 INT, 3 SCK
GB – 72.0, 0 TD, 0 INT, 2 SCK
NE – 87.3, 2 TD, 1 INT, 3 SCK, 2 FUMB
Overall – 95.7

Ben Roethlisberger – 2005
CIN – 148.7, 3 TD, 0 INT, 1 SCK
IND – 95.3, 197 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 2 SCK
DEN – 124.9, 2 TD, 0 INT, 2 SCK
SEA – 22.6, 0 TD, 2 INT, 1 SCK
Overall – 101.7

Tom Brady – 2004
IND – 92.2, 1 TD, 0 INT, 3 SCK
PIT – 130.5, 2 TD, 0 INT, 2 SCK
PHI – 110.2, 2 TD, 0 INT, 2 SCK,1 FUM (1 lost)
Overall – 109.4

2003
TEN 73.3, 1 TD, 0 INT, 0 SCK
IND 76.1, 1 TD, 1 INT, 0 SCK
CAR 100.5, 3 TD, 1 INT, 0 SCK
Overall – 84.5

2001
OAK – 70.4, 0 TD, 1 INT, 2 SCK,1 FUMB
PIT – 84.3, 0 TD, 0 INT, 2 SCK
STL – 86.2, 1 TD, 0 INT, 1 SCK
Overall – 77.3

Brad Johnson – 2001
SF – 76.8, 2 TD, 1 INT, 1 SCK, 1 FUMB
PHI – 82.8, 1 TD, 1 INT, 0 SCK
OAK – 79.9, 2 TD, 1 INT, 0 SCK
Overall – 79.9

Trent Dilfer – 2000
DEN – 118.2, 1 TD, 0 INT, 130 yds, 2 SCK, 1 FUMB
TEN – 58.6, 0 TD, 0 INT, 117 yds, 3 SCK
OAK – 83.1, 1 TD, 1 INT, 190 yds, 2 SCK, 1 FUMB
NYG – 80.9, 1 TD, 0 INT, 153 yds, 3 SCK, 1 FUMB
Overall – 83.7

John Elway – 1998
MIA – 100.3, 1 TD, 0 INT, 182 yds, 1 SCK
NYJ – 65.0, 1 TD, 0 INT, 173 yds3 SCK, 1 FUMB (his rating is low because of a 38% completion)
ATL – 99.2, 1 TD, 1 INT, 336 yds, 0 SCK
Overall – 85.9

1997
JAC – 110.2, 1 TD, 0 INT, 223 yds, 3 SCK, 3 FUMB (2 lost)
KC – 83.2, 0 TD, 0 INT, 170 yds, 1 SCK, 1 FUMB (1 lost)
PIT – 86.8, 2 TD, 1 INT, 210 yds, 2 SCK
GB – 51.9, 0 TD, 1 INT, 123 yds, 0 SCK (1 RUSH TD)
Overall – 83.9

I included the 1997 season since Elway went back to back. But those are the SB Champion QBs since he’s been in the league. So now let’s take an in depth look at this. I’ll give you his first three trips were poor, but he gets points taken away for being a young QB on a poor team that hasn’t even come close to his peak? That’s sort of a catch 22. Pretty sure people were trying to hump Flacco and Ryan for just making the playoffs this year.

So what do we have? Well let’s see, Manning has been eliminated with his overall playoff rating being:
2008 – 90.1
2007 – 97.7
2005 – 90.9
2004 – 107.4
2003 – 106.4
2002 – 31.2
2000 – 82.0
1999 – 62.3

However, in Manning’s entire postseason career, he’s fumbled 3 times and lost 1. He has 3 rushing TDs unaccounted for. His completion % is 61.6, and his QB rating is 84.9 (substandard to his regular season average, I’ll give you that). He’s played 1 game short of a full season in the playoffs. He has 4207 yds passing, 22 TDs, 17 INTs, 3 Rushing TDs, and 1 fumble lost. Manning has been eliminated from the playoffs the past 3 times after a 90+ outing and no fumbles. I’ll continue to look it up, but I can be pretty close to certain, that few QBs with 90+ rated outings get eliminated, much less 3 times.

By the way? That Tom Brady kid? The one that’s the playoff hero and “ups his game”?
17 Postseason games, 3954 yds, 88.0 QB rating. Considering he wasn’t doing those on a team that he came to that was 3-13…

And remember, I only included the people that “raise the level of their game” and go on to win the SB. I could keep going and continue this beatdown. I mean, Tom Brady had a 66.4 and an 82.5 rating last year. Remember, this is skewed towards making Manning’s numbers seem less impressive. You might want to seriously check yourself before I get a chance to read your posts. Because I can tell you, I am thorough.

When I say the Rams were crappy, I meant before he got there.