2008 Colts WR Review
by shake n bake on Jan 19, 2009 11:35 PM EST
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| WR | Games | Catches | Yards | YPR | TD | DVOA | DYAR | Catch% | Yrs on contract | Ave Cap# |
| Wayne | 16 | 82 | 1145 | 14.0 | 6 | 19.2% (9th) | 329 (6th) | 63% (82-130) | 3 | 7.13mil |
| Marv | 15 | 60 | 636 | 10.6 | 5 | -9.1% (63rd) | 19 (64rd) | 56% (60-107) | 3 | 12.6mil |
| Gonzo | 16 | 57 | 664 | 11.6 | 4 | 234 (16th) | 26.3% (3rd) |
72% (57-79) |
3 | 1.4mil |
| Hall | 4 | 1 | 9 | 9.0 | 0 | N/A | N/A | 25% (1-4) | 2 | 542K |
| Garcon | 14 | 4 | 23 | 5.75 | 0 | N/A | N/A | (3-3) | 3 | 496K |
The Colts WR structure has moved from the 1a, 1b, 3 set up to move of a 1, 2a, 2b as Marvin struggled, Reggie continued to be a elite WR and Gonzo matured. Dallas Clark and Joseph Addai acted as a 4th/5th WR when they spread it out leaving little time for Hall and Garcon (6 of the pairs 7 targets came from Jim Sorgi week 17).
In the very likely event that Marvin is released or retired the Colts will need to add another reciever. With Clark, Tamme and Addai on the roster the new WR won't have to be a part of the offense right away, but the Colts will carry more than 4 WRs, especially since 2 of those 4 have played almost exclusively on special teams.
Free Agents (average of 06/07 seasons in parenthesis)
| Player | Age (in Sept 09) | Games | Catches | Yards | YPR | TDs | DYAR | DVOA | Catch % |
TJ Houshmandzadeh (CIN)
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32 | 14 (15) | 92 (101) | 904 (1113) | 9.8 (11.0) | 4 (10.5) | 164 [23rd] (274) | 2.4% [34th] (11.3%) | 67% (67%) |
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Bobby Engram (SEA)
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36 | 13 (11.5) | 47 (59) | 489 (719) | 10.4 (12.2) | 0 (3.5) | -34 [74th] (171) | -18.0% [76th] (13.6%) | 59% (69%) |
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Devery Henderson (NO)
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27 | 15 (14.5) |
32 (26) |
793 (577) |
24.8 (22.2) | 3 (4.5) | 213 [17th] (153) | 36.5% [1st] (25.2%) |
57% (53.7%) |
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Shaun McDonald (DET)
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28 | 12 (16) | 35 (46) | 332 (540) | 9.5 (11.7) | 1 (3.5) | -49 [78th] (51) | -23.4 [78th](-9.3%) | 53% |
A thin FA class, TJ Housh is the big name then it's a 36 year old WR coming off a terrible season, a excellent deep threat with questionable hands and a career 3rd/4th WR (in pass heavy Os).
Housh has been the possession reciever to Chad Ocho Cinco's deep threat. High receptions, low YPR, High Catch %. He works the short routes for small to medium gains.
Engram was a FO favorite as well as Matt Hasselbeck's go to WR on 3rd down, but age, QB injury and general suckitude by the Seahawks lead to an awful contract year for him.
Devery Henderson is the best pure deep threat in the game, averaging almost 25 yards per catch for the Saints this season. He struggles with drops, but a 59% is very good for a reciever who catches his average pass over 15 yards downfield (16.3 AirYards per Reception)
McDonald worked the slot and as a returnman in Saint Louis and Detriot for the first 6 years of his career. In 2007 he almost reached both 1,000 yards and a positive DVOA. He's a 3rd/4th WR that had a big, but not all that effiecent season in the Martz offense 2 years ago. If some team doesn't see the near 1,000 yard season and overpay he could be a cheap (mediocre) veteran addition.
Draft
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| #1 | Micheal Crabtree (Texas Tech) | Micheal Crabtree (Texas Tech) | Micheal Crabtree (Texas Tech) | Micheal Crabtree (Texas Tech) | Micheal Crabtree (Texas Tech) |
| #2 | Jeremy Maclin (Missouri) | Percy Harvin (Florida) | Jeremy Maclin (Missouri) | Jeremy Maclin (Missouri) | Jeremy Maclin (Missouri) |
| #3 | Percy Harvin (Florida) | Jeremy Maclin (Missouri) | Percy Harvin (Florida) | Percy Harvin (Florida) | Percy Harvin (Florida) |
| #4 | Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland) | Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland) | Hakeem Nicks (North Carolina) | Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland) | Hakeem Nicks (North Carolina) |
| #5 | Kenny Britt (Rutgers) | Kenny Britt (Rutgers) | Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland) | Brandon LaFell (LSU) | Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland) |
| #6 | Hakeem Nicks (North Carolina) | Derrick WIlliams (Penn State) | Kenny Britt (Rutgers) | Derrick WIlliams (Penn State) | Brandon LaFell (LSU) |
| #7 | Louis Murphy (Florida) | Jauquin Iglesias (Oklahoma) | Derrick WIlliams (Penn State) | Kenny Britt (Rutgers) | Jauquin Iglesias (Oklahoma) |
| #8 | Jauquin Iglesias (Oklahoma) | Mohamed Massaquoi (Georgia) | Jauquin Iglesias (Oklahoma) | Hakeem Nicks (North Carolina) | Derrick WIlliams (Penn State) |
| #9 | Mohamed Massaquoi (Georgia) | Brian Robiske (Ohio State) | Brian Robiske (Ohio State) | Louis Murphy (Florida) | Kenny Britt (Rutgers) |
| #10 | Derrick WIlliams (Penn State) | Louis Murphy (Florida) | Ramses Barden (Cal Poly) | Jauquin Iglesias (Oklahoma) | Ramses Barden (Cal Poly) |
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I’m not sure if this is an option but both Boldin and Chad Johnson are likely to be on the trading blocks. Adds a bit more depth to the WR pool. Oh and if you want a team oblitorator T.O. may be cut.
I believe
if Marvin retires, we see Clark move to WR/TE(like now) for the entire season. Santi and Tamme will work at becoming #1 and #2 TE’s with the the mix of Robinson. Eventualy leading to Clark being a full time WR. No Cap money wasted in going after a FA.
There's more FAs, but none that great
http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagents2009WR.php
Nate Washington is a possibility. I was force fed Steelers games and he was doing pretty well as a 3rd receiver deep threat. Especially with Ben throwing to him. I think he’d be more of a bargain and probably has more upside than Henderson. There’s a big difference between Henderson having Brees throwing to him with Colston/Moore and a high powered offense allowing people to forget about him than it is for having Ben/potsmoking Holmes missing games and Ward being no threat to catch a ball over 20 yards. He’d definitely be much less expensive. Someone will probably take a chance and give Henderson 3-4 mil whereas Washington could probably be had for about 2.
And I would be 100% against Dallas switching to fulltime WR. The reason he does so well is because he’s great coming out of his stance off the line and is a matchup nightmare. You put him at WR 100% of the time and he’ll be drawing safety or zone coverage all the time instead of LB/safety man. And if Marvin doesn’t restructure, we’ll have to find a WR to take over. If Dallas moves from TE to slot, not only will Dallas have to completely learn how to be a WR, but you’re right, Tamme or Santi would have to learn how to fill in for Dallas at TE. Moving Dallas to WR permanently would weaken two positions instead of just 1. Not good in my mind.
Best case, Marvin restructures and moves to the slot. Gonzo moves to Wayne’s flanker position and Wayne moves to split end. I loved Wayne in the Jags game over there. If Marvin leaves, best case is we get Harvin or Hall/Garcon can stay healthy and we see what we have to deal with. Britt would be one to really look at if they’re set on going for a WR. I don’t think Heyward-Bay is a 1st round pick, I see him more as a mid 2nd rounder. Britt could probably be had at the end of the second where we pick. http://www.walterfootball.com/pro2009kbritt.php
It’d allow us to put a 6’4 dude in the slot, take advantage of Gonzo’s speed to add a legit deep threat with great hands/routes/cutting, and let Wayne do his thing. It also wouldn’t eat our 1st round pick if Harvin isn’t available. Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin are the only one I see as legit first rounders. Since Arizona just lost their spot to the bottom of the list, they were probably going to be taking Moreno/Wells/McCoy. That’ll definitely shake up the draft now. I’ll have to try to hypothesize the ramifications later, but either NE will think about taking one of the three and domino the rest of it, or the Colts will have a legit shot at one of the first round RBs.
Still too early. I’ll be watching the Senior Bowl this weekend and have a better idea.
My point is
if we dont go after a WR THEN Clark will go to WR. Why the hell did we draft 2 TE’s? Santi is going to be great, I see Tamme more as an FB/TE. Robinson is just beastly.
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
More likely
We experiment with Garcon or Hall in the slot. I just don’t see Clark having the success as a pure WR. He’s good because he moves around so much nobody knows where he’s going to line up and it’s hard to match up correctly.
http://www.indy.com/posts/with-size-and-speed-dallas-clark-is-a-matchup-nightmare
Yeah, you CAN put him in the slot and he does well, but that’s because he’s not there all the time. If we lose Harrison and Gonzo isn’t rotating with Dallas, it won’t be as beneficial. And they got Santi/Tamme so they could do 2TE sets and still have Dallas move around. At the moment, he can be on the field almost every snap. If they decide to use him as a WR only, there’ll be times where he’s not on the field. Better to lose some slot productivity than to mess with what makes Dallas as good as he is.
by monstersbox on Jan 20, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Maclin
I’m actually hoping that Maclin falls to us in the first round. I think his abilities as a punt returner could really give us a boost immediately. And if he can play some wideout down the road even better.
He won't
If he’s there I’m about 100% sure we take him, but he’s there’s an argument between him or Crabtree being the first receiver taken. The one with the better combine will have a strong argument to be taken above the other. With the Ravens retaining their spot above the Colts in the draft, if he’s there the Ravens will take him or Crabtree. We’ll be lucky to get Harvin, Maclin and Crabtree will almost definitely be gone. The Ravens, Dolphins, Bears, Seahawks, Bucs, Vikings, 49ers, Bengals, or Jaguards will all be thinking about taking him if he falls to their picks. The Ravens and Seahawks are almost locks for taking a receiver. Crabtree and Maclin will almost definitely be gone, I wouldn’t be surprised if Harvin is too. That’d probably put Nicks, Heyward-Bay, and Britt as the best receivers left. And I think that all three of them are second rounders. More than likely if the top three are gone and one of the top 3 RBs is still there the Colts will take him. I think the fact that Green Bay is going 3-4 takes Raji off the board and I’m leaning towards thinking the Bucs will be taking Peria Jerry now. It’s more likely that James Laurinaitis will be there and I’d rather have him with Brackett going into his last year of his contract if Jerry is gone. Gregg Williams going to NO makes me think he’ll be lobbying for a MLB though.
by monstersbox on Jan 20, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I’m actually hoping no receiver worth a first round pick is left by the time the Colts pick. The Colts don’t need to spend another first round pick on another receiver.
But if I had to chose, I’d list them in this order:
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey
2. Michael Crabtree
3. Jeremy Maclin
4. Percy Harvin
the rest
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Why Heyward-Bey at 1?
Not arguing, just curious to why you’d put him above the 3 following. Aside from his size and speed, what has he shown to say he’s a better NFL prospect than the rest? Roy Hall is a physical freak, even more so than Heyward-Bey. His numbers have been mediocre at best, but I’m curious why you’d rank him there? Seriously, I’m not arguing. I personally think Britt is a high-mid 2nd rounder, but everyone puts him as a low 2nd-low 3rd. I’d say his upside is about the same as Heyward-Bey. Not as fast, but he’s taller, bigger, great rout runner and good hands.
by monstersbox on Jan 20, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Perception mostly. I just liked what I saw when he played. I don’t have any one thing I could point at and say “oh man he’s great at this this and this.” He was a victim of circumstance in Maryland, which explains his mediocre numbers.
Also, I think Crabtree is too slow, Maclin is too inexperienced, and Harvin is too injury prone and doesn’t fit the profile of a receiver I think the Colts need.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
by KingRichard on Jan 20, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Tell you the Truth
I think Heyward-Bey may actually be available by the time the Colts pick….and if he is, I say go for him.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Mainly because
I think the Colts will go more towards the best player available, and I will find it hard to believe that they will go with a DT in the first round…depending if Peria is taken by then. I wouldnt mind a RB in the first round, but my wishful thinking is that we will have a como of Addai, Edge, Rhodes,and a Hart running attack so there will be no need for a RB in the first round (I can dream right).
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I belive IF the Cards win the SB
then the Edge will retire…………if they lose, he goes to Indy.
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
what?
Addai,Ball,Hart,Simpson and maybe Rhodes not deep enough for us at RB? We need someone to replace Marvin like we did when the Edge left.
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I’m starting to sound like a broken record here but, Rhodes isn’t going to be resigned first off. He’s over the hill and brings nothing to the offense that is going to propel them into the future. Addai is too fragile and clearly is not a #1 back. Hart is coming off of a major knee surgery and won’t be at 100% for quite a while. Chad Simpson is a waste of a roster spot. No one knows anything about Ball except he had some decent carries against the Titans second and third stringers in a game that didn’t matter.
Do I seriously have to say it again? The Colts do not need another receiver. They still have two untested draft prospects waiting for their chance to play. So what’s the point in drafting yet another receiver so he can sit there and rot?
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
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Also, the idea that the Colts “replaced” Edge is absurd. Who was it that replaced him? Because I have yet to see a dynamic runner that puts up 1,500+ rushing yards, 500+ receiving, and at least 10 tds a season since his departure.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
there is no question the Colts could use another RB
but that is on step #251 on the number of problems the Colts have. I say the Colts go after a WR and RB in the draft. But finding a new Defensive Coach along with adressing the DT problem is probaly on their top prioties. As for Hall, you tak about Addai being fragile-Hall is a SP player. Garcon has a career as a KR who played division 3 football in college. We need a WR bad………not as bad as a RB. And no, no one can replace Edge, but we drafted a back that helped take us to the SB.
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
If Maclin is gone
Don’t draft a wide receiver in round one. I’ve started to cool on Harvin with all of his injuries and Heyward-Bey is someone who I could see dropping to us in round 2. Recently wide receivers have been dropping in the draft and Heyward could just keep on plummeting to the Colts.
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