Sal Pal can't write or report
This piece by ESPN's Sal Paolantonio is such a rare combination of stupid, wrong and biased I have to emulate the late great FireJoeMorgan.com to properly present it.
(Warning: this piece upsets me so there will be a some profane language, not a ton, but filter is off. Oh and it's forever and a day long too)
[UPDATE]: After reading this total and complete beatdown of Sal Putzantonio, kindly give our man shake and bake some applause-- bbs:
Sal Paolantonio examines the most overrated Superbowl Winner in history
First off comparing teams that played in different years is difficult to do in any kind of meaningful way and if even if the methodology doesn't suck then your results are still aren't that meaningful. Stat-geeks and stat-haters alike can agree on one thing, football (and other sports) aren't played on paper (or in a spreadsheet). What a statgeek like myself will say is that there's plenty to be learned about what happened in a game on paper. It's possible to delve into why what happened, happened, on paper. Insight to future games can be found on paper. But the games aren't played there, which is why stuff like best/worse or (the most nebulous pointless-debate stirring word in sports) overrated, teams in history is pointless and unanswerable.
'06 Colts' Super Bowl far from legendary
There will always be that final scene in Miami of Tony Dungy and Peyton Manning, the NFL's two lost souls, finally finding their way to the promised land of pro football immortality -- hoisting the Lombardi Trophy, awash in multicolored confetti and, on this night, an unrelenting southern Florida rain.
Dungy, who lost his son James to suicide in 2005 and who had labored like a gentleman farmer in a sallow field of missed opportunities, became the first black head coach to win an NFL title.
Manning, fast becoming defined as a shameless corporate pitchman who happened to put up the biggest numbers of any quarterback in a generation, finally validated his place in the record books -- shedding the Dan Marino label for the John Elway legacy.
"Happened to put up the biggest numbers of any QB in a generation"? I didn't realize the Peyton just fell out of bed and just randomly tossed out 49 TDs in a season and that it was just a fortunate accident that made him the most valuable QB (by DYAR) for each of the 4 seasons preceding SB XLI (as well as in 1999 and 2000)
And it is that image and those significant milestones that threaten to overshadow one undeniable conclusion: Super Bowl XLI, between the Indianapolis Colts and the Chicago Bears, was the worst ever.
(Thanks to KSK for the original image and meme)
It was a washed-out disappointment between two football teams that came into the game with very high expectations and -- in most cases on both sides of the ball -- could not have lived them down any worse.
So both teams were terrible, on both sides of the ball. Is Sal Pal aware of the concept of a zero-sum game? Offense and defense play in opposition. Ones gain is the others loss. Both teams didn't live up to expectations? Isn't that kind of the expectations fault? It's kind of hard for more than one team in a game to live up to expectations or less than one in this case.
Let's start with the biggest star of the game -- Manning. He came into Super Bowl XLI with a QB rating of 101.0 for the 2006 season, having thrown for 31 touchdowns with only nine interceptions.
That Manning kid is pretty good.
The conventional wisdom is that the Colts of Super Bowl XLI were not the worst Colts team in a Super Bowl, that the Colts of the 1970 season were much worse. Well, that's exactly the point. Not much was expected from the 1970 team. Not true of Manning's Colts. Not true of Manning.
Wait, wait, wait. So they aren't even the worst Colts team to win a superbowl, but they are the most overrated? This is where "overrated" allows someone to slip around and move their position. Sal isn't saying the 06 Colts weren't good enough to be a Superbowl winner, he's saying they are "rated to highly". That the team in whatever subjective measure he feels like, is too high and needs to be put down. His purpose in the piece is simply to put down the 2006 Colts. He doesn't have a standard to measure them against, he's not arguing a concrete spot. He just feels the need to say bad things about those Colts.
In Super Bowl XLI, Manning was pedestrian. He opened the game with an interception and then dinked and dunked his way to a championship. It was a boring performance.
BORING. Not bad. He isn't saying bad. He says the game was too boring for him. The fucking NFL Championship was too boring for him. The Colts win, team and season were overrated because the game was boring?
Sal is right Indy should have aired it out in a downpour against an elite D running a scheme designed to protect deep. That would have kept Sal interested.
Of course, you can blame the rain. Yet four times Manning had great field position, but the offense stalled, failing to get into the red zone. His conservative approach kept the Bears in the game.
The Colts had 5 possessions that ended outside the red zone. They started at the Indy 30, Indy 16, Chi 43, Indy 35 and Indy 32. So according to Sal Pal starting anywhere from your 30 on out is great field position and it's a failure if you team can't drive the remaining 40 yards to the redzone. Forget that only Indy averaged more the 34 yards per drive that season and that 19 teams average starting position for the whole season was by Sal Pal's definition "great". Also don't remember that one of those drives was ended by a tipped ball interception and another by botched handoff. Finally do your buddy Sal a solid and don't remember that Indy was up against a team that had won the NFC on the strength of it's defense, ranked 2nd in DVOA, 3rd in Points.
Indianapolis should have won by 30.
Huh? The are overrated because they should have won by more? If the game was closer than the two teams talent levels would dictate then wouldn't that mean Indy is underrated? Indy was favored by a touchdown, and the Bears were getting more of the bets.
via www.themoneylinejournal.com
Sal had a much higher opinion of the Colts than Vegas or the betting public. Is he the one overrating them? Then why is he writing an article saying they were overrated? Does he have split personalities? Did he overrate them then, just so two years later he could say that they were overrated?
Manning completed 65.8 percent of his passes, but his quarterback rating of 81.8 was the worst of any Super Bowl MVP. He had one touchdown pass and one interception. Only three other quarterbacks were given the MVP trophy with an equal or lower ratio -- Elway had one TD and one INT in Super Bowl XXXIII (given the trophy for sentimental reasons); Len Dawson had one TD pass and one INT and threw a Super Bowl MVP low of 17 passes in Super Bowl IV (was MVP because the voters gave the trophy to the first four winning quarterbacks); and Joe Namath had no touchdown passes, no interceptions in Super Bowl III (he won because, well, it was his Super Bowl).
In Super Bowl XLI, the MVP should've been Colts running back Dominic Rhodes, whose 21 carries and 113 yards kept the Colts' offense on schedule while the normally potent passing game slogged unceremoniously through the soggy night.
The Colts are overrated because the SB MVP went to the wrong player?
Rhodes had a great game, but he split time. Joseph Addai started the game and actually had more total yards. 77 on the ground along with 10 receptions (a SB record for a RB) for 66 tards. Peyton won because the RB's performed relatively equally. Neither was mostly responsible for the Colts running game .
The Colts' offense just had no rhythm -- right from the start. Take Manning's interception. It was on a play that the Colts had run all year, had practiced all week in Miami, knowing that the Bears' Cover 2 defense would be vulnerable to it. The play called for tight end Dallas Clark, who had been the Colts' leading receiver in the postseason because Marvin Harrison was getting double-covered so much, to run a seam route underneath the Bears' safeties. But Clark broke too far to the inside, giving Bears middle linebacker Brian Urlacher a chance to get his giant paw up and deflect it -- interception.
The Colts are overrated because they didn't play up to their Sal appointed ability?
After the game, Manning pinned the blame for the interception squarely on Clark. But a study of the game film shows that Manning clearly had time to pull back on the ball. He threw the pick.
A tipped pass interception on a bad route is Peyton's fault because he didn't have to throw the ball at that time/place? Well yeah, you could say that about any interception. Peyton Manning could have pulled the ball back down on the pick that Kenton Keith tipped into the air for a Eric Weddle interception. Did he still "throw the pick".
And Manning's only touchdown pass? Reggie Wayne was wide-open because of a major breakdown in the Bears' secondary -- something Chicago had avoided all season. Free safety Danieal Manning was in man coverage while his teammates were in a zone. Manning to Wayne for 47 yards was the MVP's only touchdown pass of the night -- from the game's most prolific passer.
"That TD doesn't count, the Bears played bad."
Time now to talk about the other quarterback. After his performance in Super Bowl XLI, Grossman did not quite achieve Steve Bartman status in Chicago, but he came pretty close. Rick Reilly put it best: Grossman "seemed to be playing in ski boots and oven mitts."
The numbers are obvious: one fumble lost, two interceptions. But it was more than that. Grossman's general inability to generate any offensive momentum was demoralizing to a Bears defense that was playing well enough to keep Chicago in the game.
I thought it was Peyton Manning's conservative "let's not air it out in the pouring rain against a defense with 3 players in deep coverage" gamecalling that was keeping the Bears in the game, not the Bears Defense. Now you are telling me that D was like good and shit?
About halfway through the third quarter, the Bears trailed by only five points, 19-14 -- despite Grossman's awful play. Chicago had a first-and-10 on its 46-yard line. Great field position.
As the field began to resemble some kind of southern Florida swamp, Bad Rex surfaced like some B-movie beast to snatch the Bears from a possible comeback. He trips, loses 11 yards. He muffs the snap. The ball squirts backward. He falls on it. Loses another 11 yards. On fourth-and-23, the Bears wisely punt.
Only 34 more yards (longer than any team besides Indy's average drive that season) from the redzone. Fantastic field position.
The Colts are overrated because the best team in the NFC that year had a bad QB who played a awful game?
But then Bears coach Lovie Smith missed another obviously wise move: remove Grossman for Brian Griese. That was at 5:36 in the third quarter. From that point on, the Colts' offense managed just three points, one Adam Vinatieri field goal. The rest of the Indianapolis scoring was provided by Grossman.
You mean the Brian Griese who had thrown two picks in his 32 attempts that year? There's no way he could have thrown two in 28 attempts like Grossman did in that game.
He threw two interceptions. One wobbly pass that looked like a punt was snagged by reserve cornerback Kelvin Hayden, who returned it 56 yards for a touchdown.
Yeah, where's that guy now. What? He's a two year starter and about to get a big contract? Well it's not like he did anything on that play (besides, you know, not biting on the pump and go route the Bears had going against him).
Sal is right back to giving no credit to the opposing defense after initially giving none to either side on either team. Then ignoring the Bears D when talking about Indy's O struggling. He moved on to praising the Bears D to further bash the Bears O. Now it's back to no credit for the D, when discussing the Bears O's struggles.
Thank Grossman for delivering Manning's legacy and Dungy's place in history.
Let me count the things horribly wrong with this statement
- It assumes Peyton and Dungy did nothing else in other years than would earn them a legacy and place in history, respectively.
- Again Sal Pal gives zero credit to whichever side he is currently arguing against for their success.
- It ignores that the Colts won 12 regular season games that season and beat 3 other AFC contenders on the way to the Superbowl.
Just awful, this shit is why I don't read ESPN for analysis.
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Great Right up and Rant...enjoyed it.
Also…the game before the Super Bowl?…yea that Manning didn’t play good either….it was more luck and plus the Patriots were not a very good team at all with a terrible coach.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions
Find a way to email this to Shit Face Sal
or send it to Jim Rome in an email so he can read it aloud over his radio talk show. oh yeah Rome is a Shit Face too
manning's int
it wasn’t a tipped pass interception. it was on 3rd and 12 from the colts 41 yard line. this was indy’s first possesion after the opening return by hester. manning tries to hit marvin on a deep sideline pattern but gets picked by the safety whos helping the corner over the top. he takes it 4 yards to the chicago 34.
an interception that ended up acting like a punt.
i know a pick is never good, but sal didn’t even refrence the actual pick that occured.
nice article shake
http://www.irun.com/users/6967/downloads/Jays%20Win%20Back-to-Back%20World%20Series.mp3
by torontocoltsfan on Jan 20, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Oh wow
I bet this guy and Jeremy Green meet up on weekends to throw darts at a picture of Peyton Manning. The only thing worse than their football knowledge is their journalism skills and inability to form coherent arguments based on logic.
The teams who made the superbowl were shit and everything they did wrong was based on the crap play of the other team?
DIAF faggot Sal
Everybody is forgetting
Everybody is forgetting or (conveniently forgetting to mention) that Manning called the entire game from the line of scrimmage. he put players like Rhodes, Addai, and Wayne in position to make big plays. He could have tried to make every play a pass play and “cement his legacy” but he was only concerned with winning the game. He completely controlled the game and made it very difficult for the Bears to sustain any kind of momentum.
sal is def a moron
but i could give a shit what he thinks… indy won a super bowl… he can suck it
i bet titans fans wish they could be the most overrated super bowl winner…
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
haha agreed
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
by KingRichard on Jan 20, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
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Great analysis
It was much more enjoyable to read with your interjections. As I said before – Sal… what an ass.
ugh
What a dumb article. It’s just retarded from the start. The very idea is wrong. To be overrated, by definition, people have to regard you as great. In this context, that would imply that people worldwide rank the 06 Colts up there as one of the best Super Bowl winners (and thus, best teams) ever.
Has even ONE person, even the biggest Colts homer in the world, ever tried to make this claim?
No. The 06 Colts weren’t as good as the 05 or 07 models and arguably not as talented as the 08 team. We all know this. So nobody’s trying to say they were an all time great. They were, however, the 2006 Champions, and they won a rain-soaked game against a great defense.
The fact that even the topic was hilariously wrong gives us all the clues we need to know that it’s not even worth reading. It only gets worse from there.
ESPN, of course, puts it up as a cover story. Fucking idiots.
goddamnit
This just pisses me off, obviously i’m a colts fan. I think any fan would be/should be pissed off if this article was written about their team and we could debate all day about which superbowl team was overrated and whatnot.
but I think the bigger question is why was this article even written??? It’s not like anyone sits around thinking about the most overrated sb champ or which one was the most boring. Most super bowls to me are boring because they either a) dont have the colts or b)they are blow outs (well, not so much recently, but in the past they seemed more lopsided). I can’t believe I’m even talking about this….it’s so fucking dumb
Sal Paoliantonio
is definitely off my Christmas card list.
Dick.
If he stuck with a single theme and fleshed it out… maybe, just maybe he’d have a case. But the logic is weak and self-contradictory.
BTW, did he dwell on the monsoon weather and how that usually sedates a passing game, making it wiser to call a run-heavy game? “With it raining fire and 1,000 MPH winds, Manning was a pedestrian 4 of 9 for 60 yards. Hardly MVP stuff. Seemingly afraid of the winds fresh off the surface of the sun, he continued to hand off all night like a nervous freshman in his first big game. The choker.”
Oooh, even better, he notes Manning’s 101 season QB rating which occurred against… every team on the sked. Both good and bad. So in the final game of the year against the other hottest and/or best team in the NFL, one with a top D, Sal expects Manning’s passing game to be at least as good as the average over 16 games that included (I assume) a few 4-win teams.
Parallel logic: A young boxer who racks up a 16-0 record with 16 KOs against stumblebums meets up in a highly touted bout against another 16-0 boxer with 15 KOs. He wins by split decision, after which, Sal walks up to him and expresses his disappointment: “You’re way over-rated.” And if there is justice in the world, Sal wakes up the next week in a hospital bed with a boxing glove still wedged between his right lung and his left eye.
How I wish I was a DA with him as the defendant on the stand in a murder trial. “I didn’t do it for these very simple 14 reasons, many of which contradict the others, but the more I throw out there, the more I expect your eyes to glaze over as you nod agreement… Right?”
Bobman
What was the point of his article?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
let me expand what i mean
I had been engaged to a woman (prior to getting engaged/married to my wife, obviously) and she later got married. On the day of her sisters wedding, I didn’t send out an email to all of our friends saying ‘Most overrated/underrated sex of my life… Overrated: THIS GIRL.’ Like, why the unnecessary, pointless, random hate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
I'm sure he was given an assignment
He wrote the opposing point too, underrated (Madden’s Raiders). But over/underrated requires that you first determine how they’re rated. Nobody has ever called the 06 Colts a top Super Bowl champ. In fact, they’re almost certainly in the bottom half or even bottom third. ESPN even ran a list of all the Super Bowl teams (winners and losers) top to bottom last year.
If Sal wanted to write about an overrated team, he should’ve gone over that list and picked someone out of the top ten. I’m too lazy to look it up, but since it’s ESPN I’d assume all three recent Pats teams were right up near the top. It’d be fairly easy to make a case for the 01 Pats as being overrated. Then again, they were one of the biggest underdogs to win, which suggests that nobody expected them to win, which suggests that nobody thought they were great to begin with. I think that that team being mediocre and putting together a well timed run and upset just gets lost a bit in the shuffle since they won two more with much better teams shortly after.
yeah but
he seems to take a little too much joy in this assignment. And the reason Colts are a top half champ and not a bottom half (and certainly not THE worst) is the body of work around that super bowl win. This wasn’t a team that went 4-12, 8-8, 9-7 (win the super bowl), 6-10, 4-12, disbanded. They were at the top of the league forever and ever, the greatness of a Super Bowl champ isn’t based on how much they won by in the super bowl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
loved the…
sal- fiction/hate
shake n bake- fact/love
what crap by espn. I too cant stomach this site anymore. the kindergarten staff of crap
you could pick apart every superbowl winner if you truely wanted to. sal needs to live in jax so he can write about teHYPEmeBLow 24/7 since he enjoys such greatness
He's an idiot and a hater.
I take it with a grain of salt. Mainly because he does contradict himself and anyone with reading and comprehension skills above the 6th grade level can see that.
Hey, it was a boring game…compared to the AFCCG. But believe me, I loved the “dink and dunk” play – that’s how we won. They were a TEAM and played as a TEAM. Isn’t that the way it should be? And Chicago’s defense was scary good that year. Scary good. I was a nervous wreck for the two weeks leading up to that game.
I can’t believe some of these guys get paid. Seriously, if I produced crap like this article I would be unemployed.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 21, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions
Best
Quote….ever
“i bet titans fans wish they could be the most overrated super bowl winner…”
Remember, Manning’s Super Bowl doesn’t count. He needed one to be considered by most writers in the conversation for best QB of all time at the age of 29. But since it was boring, it doesn’t count.
Just curious, would that make the Patriots the most overrated Super Bowl losers of all time or the Giants the most underrated winners? And then the next year the Giants would be the most overrated playoff losers? I’m just wondering because until the Bears game, we were predicted to lose every single game. I don’t know what the spread was because I’m not into that, but I remember all the analysts saying that Larry Johnson was going to run all over us, no way we get past the Ravens Defense, no way anyone gets past the Patriots (One of the best AFC Championship comebacks of all time means nothing) and I we were 6.5 point favorites against the Bears with people saying we don’t stop Benson/Jones?
1 Baltimore 4225 264.1 1214 75.9 3011 188.2 201 12.6
2 New England 4710 294.4 1507 94.2 3203 200.2 237 14.8
3 Chicago 4706 294.1 1590 99.4 3116 194.8 255 15.9
Oh that’s right, top 3 defenses. One after another in points allowed. Overall, all three were in the top 7. And KC was 11th in PA.
FUN FACT TIME
Notable Super Bowl QB ratings lower than 90. By the way, Manning’s 23rd on the list.
Kurt (oh what dreamy eyes you have) Warner – 89 (19th)
Joe Namath – 83.3 (21st)
Donovan McNabb – 75 (26th)
Bob Griese – 72.7 (27th)
Dan Marino – 66.9 (32nd)
John Elway – 59.3 (34th)
Jim Kelly – 56.9 (37th)
Ron Jawarski – 49.3 (42nd)
- JOHNNY UNITAS ** – 34.6 (50th)
Ben (lets swing from his nuts) Roethlisberger – 22.52 (51st)
Kerry Collints comes in at a stellar 3.37, by the way, he’s not last.
Here’s the complete list before last years. (Brady was 82.5 last year and Eli was 87.3)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1959974/posts
Compare this to the list of the best QB ratings for a career
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm
Out of the 57 QBs listed, plus the 2 from last year, the average QB rating in a Super Bowl is 63.5.
What would the 90.4 rating Manning had in the WildCard game vs the 61.9 Rivers had mean Sal? Or the fact that Manning had a 97.7 last year after having two of his passes go right into and out of the hands of his receiver for INTs?
So what is it Sal? Because for a team to beat the #1, #2, and #3 defenses in the ENTIRE league three weeks in a row, I’d say that’s pretty impressive. We weren’t even expected to beat KC by many people.
1) 1 point was lost from a fumbled snap on a PAT and still scored 29 (Bears average for the year was 15.9 ppg)
2) The Bears scored a total of 10 points in the remaining 59:46 remaining after Hester’s kickoff return (The Bears averaged 26.7 ppg, tied for 2nd with the Colts)
3) The Colts had 42 rushes and averaged 4.5 ypc for 191 yards (The Bears gave up 99.4 rpg)
4) The Colts had 430 total yards and the Bears had 265 total (111 rushing, 154 receiving)
5) The Colts dominated ToP at 38:04 to 21:56
6) The Colts had 24 1st downs to Chicago’s 11
7) The Colts had a 45% 3rd down conversion to Chicago’s 30%
8) One of the Colts fumbles came on Chicago’s 34 yard line
9) On Rhode’s TD run, he was the given the ball 3 times in a row (stat padding is for losers – see Tom Brady)
10) Manning’s INT came off a tipped ball and went 57 minutes without another mistake
11) It was freaking pouring
Now let’s take a look at the “most underrated” Super Bowl team. The first set of stats will be shown as Oakland/Minnesota
1) First downs – 21/20
2) Total yards – 429/353
3) 3rd down efficiency 50% / 35%
4) ToP – 33:27 / 26:33
5) Stabler threw exactly 1 TD (1 yard pass)
6) Oakland returned exactly 1 TD for a TD, same as Indy
http://www.steelergridiron.com/history/sbxibox.html
The Vikings were the 6th overall defense (bit lower than the third ranked Bears, who by the way, had the best record in the NFC). Oakland was the 18th ranked defense (bit higher than the 21st ranked Colts defense).
The Colts and Bears were tied for 2nd in total points scored. The Raiders were ranked 4th, 5 higher than the Vikings 9th.
If Sal actually wants someone to look up stuff to prevent him from looking like a complete idiot, I’m more than happy to spend a few minutes to get him information. I can teach him how to use the web.
I don’t even think I need a summation to point out that the dude’s talking out of his ass. But then again, I’m no journalist. Maybe he’s being too cerebral for me. By the way, I only read what shake put in his initial post. I saw it on ESPN when it first came out, read the first sentence and closed it. If it’s from ESPN, or even some other sources, and it’s about Peyton Manning, I know what direction it’s going to go. Remember, Peyton Manning is the Colts. Since Peyton Manning only had a QB rating of 81.8, the entire team sucks. Doesn’t matter we scored 29 (should’ve easily been 30) on the 3rd best defense in the league with the best record in the NFC, after going through the #1 and #2 (Baltimore being the second best record) defenses to get there. It’s not like the Colts outgained the Bears by 165 yards compared to the Raiders 76, outscored the Bears 29-10 for 59:46, had 191 rushing yards against them, played in a downpour. It’s just funny how the 13-3 dominant Bears turned into schmucks we were supposed to crush. Which, in fact, we did. You show that box score to any person with even a clue about football without saying what teams or game it was and assign the Colts an A value and the Bears a B value and they’d say “Wow, team A completely kicked the crap out of team B. And you said it was raining? Wow.” Like I said, I had about twice this breaking it down even further, but I think you get my point. I must be some football guru to be able to figure out what a dude that gets paid to do this couldn’t.
Maybe I should just say something shocking to gain some journalistic credibility.
As Aristotle once said “All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind.”
Or maybe more approrpiately "I stand by all the misstatements that I’ve made) – Dan Quayle ~ 1989
I’d actually like to ask Sal if he can spell potato without looking it up.
Anyway, whatever. This has been the most recent episode of “Complete Randomness and Thoughtless Analasys of the Metaphysical.” If I see that showing up as a book name, I’ll track you down.
by monstersbox on Jan 21, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Fabulous
just. fabulous.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 21, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
I'm in.
seriously.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 21, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Fire Sal
Me too.
Monstersbox, that was a great job—maybe we should be sneding this shit in to Sal and not just posting here—he might even run a retraction, or at least defend his stance with a blind swing at logic (which we can then castrate anew)…..
Bobman
Guys, Guys
Don’t forget that Sal has written a book on athletes and teams that have been overrated. He’s decided to make iconoclasm his gimmick. Articles like these are written just to create controversy and promote himself and his book. Don’t get too upset about it. He’s just another hack trying to make a buck by pissing people off.

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