"Defensively, we have a little work to do"
by CaribbeanColt on Jan 20, 2009 7:39 PM EST
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"I think we have a good group of young offensive players who really will grow and develop – offensive line, tight ends, wide receivers, running backs," Polian said, adding, "Defensively, we have a little work to do".
Bill Polian
After Polian states that it is on the defense that they might focus heavily on this draft. What do you guys think the picks are going to look now, after this statement???
Personally, I think we should get the best running back in the first round or James Laurinaitis at ILB.
1. LeSean McCoy
2. Shonn Greene
3. or maybe even Percy Harvin.
There will be defensive tackles in the second round that playing alonside AJ, should be able to make a difference. I got a feeling that we are picking more than one DT. We might get Hood, Brace or Moala in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
After the 3rd I really have no idea of what Polian might pull off.
But "In Polian We Thrust".
Give me your picks now that we might focus more on DEFENSE.
GO COLTS!!!!
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Why do we need a RB in the first round? We need a solid WR that can fill Marvins shoes. Addai has one bad year an everyone starts bitching. Could that be because we had a rookie O-line with 2 missing guards? Lets look at our new slot WR, Mr Roy Hall. He is as Healthy as it gets, infact people have bitched the passed 2 years to IR him or just let him go. Or how about Garcon, that late round pick from a division 3 college. I’m all for Going WR then DT then FINALY RB in the draft.
One bad year? You need to do a little research brother. Addai hasn’t played good since the Patriots game in 2007. Look it up and you might be a little surprised.
I’m not even going to respond to the rest of your post because it lacks logic.
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The thing with RBs in my opinion is that you can get a really good back in the 2nd or 3rd round so im not quite sure whether Polian should use his 1st round on a RB. I dont think he’ll get a DT in the 1st either because that position will not be the best available (possibly top 2 DTs will be gone). Honestly, I think he’ll go with a WR once again but whatever he does, I’ll like because he’s Bill Polian….a genius when it comes down to the draft.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, thats the year WITH OUT Rhodes
Addai was carrying the entire RB lode by himself. He ran out of gas in the middle of the season. I never said he could carry the entire RB spot by himself. Thats why we get a middle to late round RB that can help carry the weight if Rhodes is not resinged. But dont call Addai a bust after only 3 years of his NFL career. A great back up and healthu O-line will do Addai good.
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
So, how many years must you play sub-par football in order to be labelled a bust? Take into account all of the draft busts in the history of the league when you come up with your answer, otherwise I’ll destroy it with examples I could come up with off the top of my head.
Besides, I never said Addai was a bust, nor did I ever say he sucked. He just isn’t Edge, and that’s what the Colts need.
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Similar to 06?
What the Colts need is another back to compliment Addai and that could be availabe in rounds 2-4….more of a 2 back system rather than what Edge did during his career as a Colt. There were a lot of problems besides just Addai that caused havoc to the running game. But if the best available players is a RB with the first pick, then go for it I suppose. But I wouldnt be against a WR either, or a DT if the Colts feel that is the best available player left on the board.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
If Hart pans out all will be good at RB
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
And this is where your logic fails. Hart is a 6th round draft pick coming off of a major knee injury. What makes you think he’s going to pan out?
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Well duh? Obviously if he does pan out, then he will indeed be a good back right? That kind of makes sense. haha
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You said "this is where your logic fails"
So my logic of Hart panning out isn’t good? I see him having better chance then Marvin coming back and being productive in the NFL.
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
And you are basing this on what exactly?
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where are you coming from.
are you saying Hart is a bust. There have been plenty of backs coming of major knee injury and have been productive. Let me see how about Edge. and no i’m not comparing Hart to Edge. And I said IF Hart pans out all will be good. I have no reason to think he will pan out. He could be a bust, I dont know I’m not God.
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, Addai isn't Edge nor will he be
He was the best possible option at RB at that piont in time. Instead of going around in circles, I only dissagree in your opion in drafting a RB in the first round. I think we could get a part time RB in the middle of the draft because we are not going in a different direction with Addai. The DT and WR issue have to be addressed first.
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I never said the Colts need to draft a running back in the first round. I guess no one ever reads my posts or something because I’ve been stating for over a month now that Rashad Jennings is easily a round 2-3 running back who could fit the void left by Edge.
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Addai
He’s not a bust. But he is clearly not a everydown type of back either. I actually think he would make a great 3rd down back, and would be really effective if he was paired with a bigger, more hard nosed runner to share carries with him. I think that’s how most others feel as well.
No offensive player in round 1
Once Richard, Pollak, Justice, Ugoh and Johnson develop some more the running game will be better. That could happen at the end of next year or even sooner. Defense is what this team needs. Peyton can throw it to anyone, but Peyton can’t help the fact that the defensive line can’t stop a running back or that our linebackers miss too many tackles. We need to draft Jerry in round one and then wait and see who drops to us in round 2.
Thank you, praise the Lord
We need a DT. And that DT from Iowa would be awsome in the 4th or 5th round…………I think his name is King
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
yes it is
but he’s not a NT. He’s a Raheem Brock type UT/DE. I love him.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Jan 20, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Mitch King
from Iowa. I want this guy too in the later rounds. I was actually planing to do a draft profile on him later in the week. Ive already started to do some scouting over the internets for potential Colt draft picks.
by metal_militia on Jan 20, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
What if Jerry is gone...?
I dont think the Colts should or will go with the need pick of a DT in the first pick. If the top 2 DTs arent there, then wait until maybe the 2nd, if not 3rd round to pick up someone solid. I recall the D being ranked third the year they drafted Quinn Pitcock (who wasnt a beast…but a very effecient run stuffer). I they the could and maybe will go a similar route.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
So you want to copy the formula used when they drafted Pitcock? Interesting, where is Pitcock now?
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OK...I guess you do not get my point
Besides Pitcock leaving (no one in their dreams could have predicted him leaving after his rookie year and im sure a lot of 3rd round DTs are known to do that)….that scenario worked out that year. Going for Need in the 1st round rather than best available is not the route to go nor will the Colts take. IF there is a DT that fits the mold of a 1st rounder, then they should go for it.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Going for Need in the 1st round rather than best available is not the route to go nor will the Colts take.
Do I seriously have to explain how completely ridiculous this statement is? Seriously? So you’re saying that the Colts should draft a first round QB over a player who can help solve a problem that has hindered the Colts for years? Hey, he’d be the best player available, so clearly that’s the right choice right? Give me a freakin break man. They need to stop drafting that sexy pick and go after what they need, what will put them over the hump again. Not another toy for Manning to play with when he has a bunch just still in the boxes because he hasn’t even opened them yet.
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Am I serious?...Are you Serious...
Ok first, you still do not get my point. Im not saying all this just because I thought of it out of the blue, I’ve also heard Polian mention it as well. What if that need is not worth a 1st round pick…then your spending more money on that player than what he’s worth. You can always draft for need from the 3rd round on…and I believe thats what the Colts have done in the past if im not mistaken.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Oh no, I understand your point, I just don’t think it’s a good point is all. If the Colts just drafted the best player available instead of their needs on a consistant basis, they’d have to change their name to the Indianapols Raiders. I can’t think of a first round pick the past 5 years or so that was done just for the hell of it.
The Colts don’t give first round picks insane rookie deals anyways. Besides, there’s no law stating that any player drafted in the first round is entitled to X amount of dollars. So why you are worried about the money aspect is beyond me. If player A is available and would suit the needs better than player B, even though player B may be the “better player available” (whatever that means), then isn’t player A worth that pick?
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by KingRichard on Jan 20, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Im not saying that pick would be just for the hell of it…it would be because that player would help the team like you mentioned. I guess my thinking is that the Colts shouldn’t just limit their option and say alright, we are definately going to get a DT in the first round. You never know who can fall into your laps or who may get picked up before you decision that was not anticipated. Im saying the best player available that will help the Colts, not for the hell of it kind of player, whether it is a RB, WR, OT, LB, DT because I think those areas can use a boost…again preferrably a DT but the Colts will not reach for it.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
They're saying
That if Peria Jerry and Raji are gone, the next set of DTs would be Marks, Hood, Brace. And one or all three will be available in the second round. Brace definitely, Marks possibly a mid to second rounder if he doesn’t fall to the third, and Brace mid 2nd to mid 3rd. And if the picks ahead of us decide to take DTs, that frees up other positions that do need attention. LB definitely, RB to a lesser extent, DB eh not as much as the others, and possibly the line at the low end. The O-line could possibly use some work, but that’s more of an opinion than a fact. If Peyton got injured, we wouldn’t be drafting a QB in the 1st because our passing offense didn’t produce when he was out. O-line’s been injured, so it’s pretty tough to gauge if there’s a player problem or just an injury problem. I actually see GB heavily targeting Raji because they’ve said they’re going to move to a 3-4. If that happens, it drops their previous sought after pick (which I think could’ve been a DB). I think there’s a better chance of them going for a LB and force Denver to switch from LB to DT and they’d probably take Raji. Unless Denver takes the other LB and then NO would probably take a DB. Then it’d trickle down so that these teams with gaps or holes and switching systems fight over Raji and TB or Atlanta take Jerry. Our options would be Evander Hood, Ron Brace, or Marks being the only ones who could possibly remotely come close to looking at a first round without us passing on a Wells/McCoy/Harvin/Maclin/Laurinaitis/ or even a Vontae Davis.
It’s all guessing. It depends on what everyone does in front of us. If Jerry is there, I’m almost positive we take him. But I think Polian’s mind is saying “Boy I’ll take him if I could, but he’s the 2nd best DT on the board and other people have DT needs. We need to upgrade some other spots and oh, look who just fell to us because everyone else went DTs/OTs etc.. Besides, after those two dudes, Ron Brace, Evander Hood, or Marks will do.” They might reach for a 2nd rounder, but one of those dudes available with Jerry gone? Yeah, that’s pretty much a given.
I mean, the arguments sort of both ways man. You can’t really say “Oh, we can get a Jennings in round 3 but we’ll pass on Wells/Moreno/McCoy because we need other things and he’ll still be there.” And if Wells or Moreno was there? We’d be crazy not to take him at that pick. It’d be a straight up steal. Because you don’t know. It’s pretty much the same argument as “Well, the only talent left at DT is a second round at best, one being most likely available in the 3rd-4th, and we’ll have great shots at the other two.”
Much better to get a legit 1st round, legit second round that we NEED as opposed to a legit 2nd rounder in the first round, a legit 2nd rounder in the 3rd round, etc… That’s all they’re saying. And I agree. Drafts aren’t static. Who knows what Al Davis is going to pick? I mean Dallas freaking traded their picks away. And Detroit needs pretty much everything. KC/Denver/GB/Atlanta/STL/OAK/HOU/SD/TB are just the ones off the top of my head that NEED a DT. But the other guys available in positions they also need outweigh the benefits of taking some dude way above his draft position. Granted, two probably, three maybe, and there’s a chance that 4 DTs could be gone. Jerry, Marks, Raji, Hood could all be off the board. That’d leave 4 other positions with great players that would help right there. And Ron Brace is no first rounder.
by monstersbox on Jan 21, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Not the Colts fault.
The Colts never knew he had doughts of retiring early. He was right. Picock showed awsome numbers in college and looked half way decent his rookie year. If you find a machine that can read minds let me know
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah well, eventually things stop looking like a some weird occurance and move into the realm of problem. For some reason, the DT position has haunted the Colts for years. I find no coincidence that they were all later round prospects who everyone hyped up on the team and ended up folding like a cheap tent. When it comes to the DT position, it’s better to have too many as opposed to not enough on this team.
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occurrence rather
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The Colts have always nickeled and dimed the DT position
your right. The one damn DT we do draft other than Brock turns out to be a mental flopp. You get what you pay for.
by colts9318rock on Jan 20, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I know if the Colts pick a DT in the 1st round, then chances are that player will be a stud. I hope that fruition takes place this year, but if they do not draft a DT in the 1st then its becuase the value is not worth it. I wouldnt mind if Polian goes balls out on DTs, but he’s going to go with on who is up there ranked high on their boards in the first round.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 20, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Emtman!
Now THERE’S a high-level DT draft pick we can hang our hats on…..
Actually, injuries aside, he played pretty well. Not up to expectations, but they were insalely high and we’ve been perenially weak there. Not sure the draft location is as vital as his skills and fit with our scheme. Look at Ed Johnson—one of our few “high character” misses. (I kill me.)
In terms of “big rookie contracts” (KingRichard said "The Colts don’t give first round picks insane rookie deals anyways. ") maybe that ‘s because nearly all rookies are slotted based on the guys in front and behind them and the previous year’s guy in their slot. It’s also because we haven’t picked in the top 10 since Edge in 1999, where the real bucks and negotiations happen—Freeney being #11—otherwise, we’re picking #25 or later—and have had a couple drafts where 2nd rounders are our highest. Maybe that’s the reason we have not saddled ourselves with big dollar rookie contracts. Don’t congratulate them for their cap/negotiating acumen when it’s mainly the luck of our draft position when it comes to rookie deals.
Bobman
Well like it or not
Look, the Colts desperately need a big and fast DT. The only 2 ways they can get that are the draft and signing Albert Haynesworth. So to Colts either have to find a way to sign Haynesworth or make DT their #1 priority in this years draft and target BJ Raji of BC, Piarria Jerry (my personal fav) of Ole Miss, and Derrik “Sen” Marks of Auburn. It’s just that simple. Because I can tell you right now, Polian has no desire what so ever to bring back Ed Johnson or Booger (if the Steelers release him) or go after John McCargo.
by PatsR18*andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jan 21, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
To CarribanColt
The Colts aren’t going to draft James Laurinatis or Shonn Green. When was the last time the Colts went after a LB in the first round of the draft? And the RB position last season wasn’t the problem with the Colts run game it was Peyton Manning missing training camp and injuries to the O-line, and Charlie Johnson getting placed at guard. Busides by the time the Colts are drafting, James Laurinatis and most likely Percy Harvin will prolly be gone anyways.
by PatsR18*andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Jan 21, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions
Brace
I’ve been catching some of the Senior Bowl practices on the NFL Network. Ron Brace looks like a man among boys. 6-4, 324. Ding!
"Defensively we have a little work to do"
When I read this at Colts.com I got to say that it made me happy. I mean right now Dungy retired, Meeks resigned (probably asked to), and Polian and Irsay had to convince Moore and someone else not to retire.
I know we might start thinking, What is going on?? But, CHANGE IS GOOD. Its been a long time since the Colts have had great talent thanks to Mr. Polian’s ability to find it. BUT, we were underperforming in several areas.
Yesterday I was watching that ESPN and the Steelers coach, Tomlin, was talking about how being able to, and being OK with change is important. This is because there is always change, coming from college to the NFL, change in team and scheme, 3-4 or 4-3, Tampa-2 or whatever.
I think the Colts should try to be a very HYBRID TEAM. What do I mean??? Having the personell to run any kind of defense 3-4 or 4-3, show one and execute another, start blitzing more, come up with clever stuff in the blitzing and “wild-cat” (offense) formations. Other teams are doing it and we can also. If we are able to show different stuff through a game and be effective at it (with good personell), we are going to be an even harder pill to swallow, than we are right now.
Obviously the asst. coaches and Defensive Coordinators got to be able to see this and have this vision. Being able to get 4 LB’ers with one good sized DT in the middle with our pass rush, and shift it in the line of scrimmage to a 4-3 and back, will drive teams crazy. Our LB’rs need to beef up a bit too.
I was glad to hear Tomling talk about being able to accept change, and change ourselves with it, because we need change. If we become complaisant or too soft on certain areas, we are going to continue to go “one and out” against the “freaking chargers” (props to them).
So after all this now that Polian will upgrade this DEFENSE,
WHAT ARE YOUR POTENTIAL PICKS IN THE DRAFT, more than just the logical DT we need. I thing one of the top 4 LB’ers will be nice. But that’s just me, feel free to not concur. That is what makes this conversation interesting.
GO COLTS!!!
The one comment I disagree with
is that we should run the wild-cat offense, especially if you’re talking about Peyton. Could you imagine him out there on the wing while Addai takes the direct snap? Holy crap. No thank you.
Imagine this...
We just ran a play, picked up 3yds. Peyton is told the formation is called for, he then quickly, as if going to get some sideline information, jogs to the sideline (with the intention to be completely off the field). Meanwhile the other team sees this, and relaxes until he comes back, right?, because is Manning, he runs the show.
But as he comes to the sideline, another player, replacing Peyton in the field, runs in. And without hesitation the O-line lines up, snaps the ball, and its a direct snap to a speedy RB or WR (that we might pick this draft). We catch the other team out of place, without Peyton in the field thinking that he is coming back, and run a running play, with direct snap and TE’s and nice cover down the field.
It’s ok to disagree though, What do you guys think of such a “Wild-Colt” formation.
by CaribbeanColt on Jan 21, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I forgot...
We go 65yds for a TOUCHDOWN.
by CaribbeanColt on Jan 21, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
There's nothing "quick"
when it comes to Peyton and running. :D
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 21, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm against trick plays with the Colts.
Simply because we have great talent. Now, if you could come up with some sort of trick play that would help the O-Line run block, I’m in.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 21, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
The Colts are too talented to have to resort to trick plays. A hurry-up play or fake spike is OK, but leave the gadget plays to the teams that need them (or have the personnel).
by TouchdownMonkey on Jan 22, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I LIKE that play
But it has to be used just once, in the time of most dire need. I think it will work pretty well, at least one time.
I am VERY against putting PM on an island and allowing an LB to tee-off on him.
You’d think that with a left-handed former QB at RB (Addai) we’d be a great candidate for a left-sweep halfback pass/option, because only an idiot would take the ball from Manning’s hands and LT has had a lot of success with that type of play….. but I think has been run twice. Addai passed once for either an INT or INC and tucked and ran the other time. The D was not fooled—maybe our OL movements are just not appropriate for it—one of our tricks is to make every play look like every other play in terms of blocking on the stretch, or WR routes, etc, making it hard for the D to anticipate what’s up. but with a play like that, the D just knew? Not sure why, but in general, I’d say no trick plays.
Unless, we really need them.
I am also up for Manning calling for the snap at 10-15 seconds remaining on the play clock instead of the very predictable 1-2 seconds left. Gives him less chance to audible (which takes away one of his key strengths), but also catches the D off-guard (one of their key strengths is essentially knowing when we will snap every play).
Do it a few times early and they’re unsettled the whole rest of the game. Instead of settling down into their positions with 5 seconds on the play clock, they are forced to settle and hold a stance 10 seconds earller—all game. Tire them out and keep them guessing. How would that tactic have changed the fateful 3rd and 2 sack against SD—with Dobbins just miling about behind the DL until about 1 second was left on the play clock—he could come in so fast because he “knew the count.”
Bobman
I definitely agree with the play clock idea
Mix it up a little. Everyone knows he takes it down to 1 or 2 seconds.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 22, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well
The problem wasn’t that the Chargers knew the snap count, the problem was the entire right side of the line including Robinson didn’t know it. So I guess he kind of trick played his own line. Just messing, it was so loud I can’t hold that part of it against them.
I literally almost started laughing uncontrollably when I thought up this “trick” play. Ok, it’s a little sadistic. All we’ve goto do is line Sorgi up as either a tailback or a HB and start chucking him the ball. I’m serious, it’d work like 10 times before he started getting completely blasted. I wouldn’t want to see him get hurt or anything, but come on, tell me that wouldn’t be funny to watch Sorgi go at it. I mean seriously, Sorgi runs a 4.63 40 and he’s 6’5. I mean, that’s about as fast as Clark!
Sorry, sorry, I just had that image pop into my head.
Interesting idea
But I think we could get away with it exactly once in a season. We better pick that time wisely.
it's a good thing it's ok to disagree
because I do.
Indy’s been about executing a simple scheme with talented players for years and they’ve been a dominant offense. No need to “get cute” with the playcalling.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Jan 21, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
If
The offense substitutes a player, which is what you’re saying by replacing Manning on the field, you MUST allow the defense the opportunity to match. Even if one person goes off, you have to give them time. If Manning went to the sidelines to mask a play, the defense would just wait until he got back to the line and see what personnel the Colts would bring in. The reason we he pulled it off against SD is because they didn’t substitute. They would have every right to relax if Manning wasn’t under center.
I remember
the colts tried this one time with Edge, against the Pats maybe? If I recall correctly, we ended up getting flagged for an illegal shift or something like that. Other than the penalty I believe the play worked out as planned…
I'm just glad we are realizing defense is an issu
if we give up a first on third and long everytime like we did against the chargers…we will never win a playoff game…can i get one blitz please?
How is it that nobody here mentioned Offensive Tackle?
Diem is on the quick decline (Shake has mentioned this often). Ugoh has yet to prove he’s an elite LT. If one of the first round worth DT’s isn’t on the board (and I suspect they won’t be) and there is a first round worth OT we should go there, and he can either replace Diem or replace Ugoh and have Ugoh move over to RT (a less demanding position that LT) Besides the Colts scheme doesn’t require a Haynesworth level player at DT (though of course that couldn’t hurt) but a solid player, with some size and quickness. Johnson was doing quiet well before he doped up. If he had been measured on talent alone he would have been at best a 3rd round pick (of course his character dropped him out of the draft and the Colts stole him for a year’s worth of play). Don’t get me wrong I’m convinced that the defense needs more help than the offense but that Tackle position on the O-Line is the most pressing issue. Spend the rest of the picks on defense, maybe a punter, look for a sleeper/steal at WR/KR and get the offense healthy and on the same page timing wise for 09’ and we should be back on top of the South and in the mix for the Super Bowl once again.
Maybe because
its a post about the defense?
I agree with you about Ugoh – move to RT
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 21, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I would have put a OT in the McShay quote, but Oher was the only one he liked so far.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Jan 21, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
DT
a solid DT could help the colts defense alot. I say go DT first round, and RB second or third.
Dwight Freeney will eat your children.
At some point:
the Colts are going to have to stop treating DT, OL and LB like they are interchangeable parts. They just replace LBers and OL with late round picks year after year. DT has been a revolving door of too small, too high, too uncommitted. I realize they used a high pick on Ugoh (which may end up being a mistake), but their interior linemen are usually late round picks, their LBers are late/undrafted, and their DTs are sweet pea burns.
I would rather have mediocre WRs and RBs and a dominating O-line, mediocre CBs and a dominating DL. YOu have to win in the trenches. You must! There is no arguing. Don’t do it. I see you typing. Hit cancel. No. Don’t do it. Ahhhhhhhhhhh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
LOL
I agree with you. The line needs some SERIOUS attention. Better athletes (ie higher picks) would be good. The more time you give Peyton to throw or the better you can open up those holes for the RB, the better.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 21, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
The OL has been ineffective the last year and half, but to say it has been used with interchangeable parts is inaccurate. This year it had to, but only due to injuries and Jake Scott leaving in FA. Not to mention Lilja’s stupid knee(s)…but before this year, it has been the most consistent in the NFL throughout the past few years. The Colts have spent 2 of their top 3 draft picks toward the OL, granted Ugoh will have to step it up. I think the Colts last 3 LBers have been taken more in the mid rounds (3,4,3)…and are starting to come into their own. I guess the only beef or weak link that you mentioned is the DT position…which has in fact been a revolving door. I can even argue against that too because going into training camp, that position looked solid…then goes Pitcock (3rd round pick) and then smoked out Johnson.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 21, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Lilja – UDFA
Jef Saturday – UDFA
Tony Ugoh – 1st round
Ryan Diem – 4th round
Charlie Johnson – 6th round
Jamey Richard – 7th round
Mike Pollak – 2nd round
Steve Justice – 6th round
Michael Toudouze – UDFA
Dan Federkeil – UDFA
10 OL on the roster. 2 were picked in the 1st or 2nd round. 1 starter is a UDFA. 1 starter is a 6th round pick. 1 starter is a 4th round pick.
Does this better explain what I’m referring to? If not, I give.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
PS
I realize that Saturday is one of the best centers in the game, despite being an UDFA. My point would be, and I think that most people would agree with me, finding a potential hall of fame player as an UDFA requires a ton of luck.
I consider the O-line to be the second most important part of the football team (QB being first). If I feel that way, I obviously feel that having 40% of your OL roster being UDFA, 80% being 4th round or later (including UDFA).
I agree with picking the best available player, but at some point you’re going to have to get blue chip talent for the tackle positions (I’m not willing/able to call the interior line a bust, it depends on what happens with Saturday, if Lilja can return, and how the 3 rookie guards/centers progress, though I have to say that I wasn’t impressed with Pollak at all). Diem is clearly at the end of his career, barring some unforeseen resurgence. Ugoh is scary guarding the franchises ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
No I understand
I think it finally bit the Colts in ass, but I was referring to before 2008 season….when the Oline was one of the best the past several seasons (it wasnt a revolving door then)…but until this past it was because of injuries and the departure of Scott. I think Polian has pursued that issue the past two drafts like I mentioned earlier…but whether they were the right players may be debated.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 22, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Tony Ugoh
was actually a second round pick, but it works anyway, because he was picked at the beginning of the second; we’re used to picking at the end of the round, so Ugoh was close to the “Indianapolis 1st round” area, nonetheless.
meh, not sure
why i said 1st. I guess I was thinking of the fact that they traded their following years first round pick for the 49ers 2nd round pick that year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
Ugoh
Well said by both of you: Ugoh was a high 2nd, which is very close to where we usually pick in the 1st. And in effect (like discounting for the time value of money—a dollar next year is worth about 90 cents to me today) he was a second rounder, though he consumed a first round slot from the subsequent year.
When I see Ugoh referred to as a 1st rounder, I don’t blink because that’s what he cost us. If Glenn hadn’t retired suddenly, it might have been looked on as a waste of a future pick. But since Glenn retired before training camp and we NEEDED Ugoh last year, it was a pretty lucky/savvy move whichever round we got him.
Bobman
rb and wr
That some think they need to draft a RB or WR in the first round clearly shows just how out there a lot of Colts fans are and how they have yet to grasp that defense win championships. How many years do the Colts need to have an avg or slightly above avg D before some grasp that is the weakspot of the team? Sweet sassy it is so obvious yet some continue to go on about the O like this is some fantasy team.
I guess they do this because it is easier to just blame Peyton when the team falters in the playoffs rather than accept the D is not championship quality. Assuming the Steelers win the SB, just look at the two multi SB winning teams of the decade- both had GREAT DEFENSES. Look at the other SB winning teams and you’ll see a nice common theme- GREAT DEFENSES, at least come playoff time. Why any Colts fan would not want Indy to have a great D like that is beyond me.
I will shake my head if Polian spends the 1st round pick on a RB or WR…and I am a big offensive guy but fock, it is clear as day the D needs to be fixed before this team can truly be considered a serious threat in the playoffs. Indy has had the best offense this decade but they have one freak playoff run and a lot of failures to show for it and of course meaningless 12-4 seasons that mean crap when you get to the post season. it is time the defense is brought up to par with the offense.
I think you should actually read the posts
Ah, how I miss the constant controversy you try to create. If you’d actually read through the majority of the posts, the DT is the consensus for the first round pick. I, and others, have said if Peria Jerry and Raji are gone by our pick, pulling up a mid to late second rounder would just be a waste.
So let me just ask, 2 second round picks with one being a WR or a RB, plus one being a DT that we could’ve gotten in the 2nd anyway is better than a 1st round WR/RB and the same DT? Since you obviously didn’t read through what 90% of us are saying and have been saying, that’s the only logical explanation.
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