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2 holding calls

This season was basically determined by 2 plays.  The first play was the call at the end of the Jacksonville game when they called "holding" on 4th down after the Colts had stopped them at the end of the game.  The second call was on the "holding" call on Jennings after we had stopped San Diego in overtime.  It seems ironic after watching Freeney and Mathis being held play after play that we end up losing this way.  The Colts fate was sealed when the NFL decided that they would only call holding when it would alter the outcome of the play.  Basically, they made holding a judgement call.  So, if you put your hand in Freeney's face mask or grab his jersey on every play, you can't call holding because it would not be likely that a defensive player could get to the QB every play, would it?  So, don't call holding at all.  The referees in this league are a joke.  You can't tell me that we don't hold for an entire game, but on the most critical drive we hold 3 times.   They call defensive holding on the Colts in the center of the line but they can't see a defensive lineman ram his hands in Freeney's face mask for 5 yards on an outside pass rush on a critical Charger drive.

Now, this may seem like complaining, but these are the facts.  I realize the Colts had plenty of opportunities to put this game away and we didn't do it.  But the offficiating in this league is very unreliable.  They call nothing for the entire game, then make critical questionable calls that decide the game at the most inopportune times for one of the teams.  This hasn't just happened to the Colts, other teams have had issues to.  If the NFL does not fix this, they will be compared to the NBA, and any sane sports fan knows how much creditability the NBA has.

I expect more of the NFL.  It is hard to watch a game, be a fan for your team, and go away from the game being mad because of referees calls deciding the game.  I should be mad because my team lost, not because my team lost from bad calls or calls that were different from calls made throughout the game.  When the integrity of the game is in question, it stops being about sports and becomes show business.  (Sounds like the NBA).  The league has been changing rules for years to speed up the game to fit it into TV time.  They also have fans in the stands who are paying good money to watch these games.  They don't care if a game is 3.5 hours as opposed to 3 hours.  If they did, they wouldn't buy season tickets.  They are buying tickets to see a sporting event whose outcome should be decided by players, not officials who are making judgement calls.

Again, I can accept my team losing, but it is difficult to watch my team lose by RANDOM enforcement of the rules at critical times of the games.  This is happening to often to to many teams.  Charger fans (congrats on the win) think this is payback for the Hochule call.  We lost the Jacksonville game by a bad call.  By my math we are down one.  But is that the attitude an NFL fan should have.  Of course not.

Again, I realize we had several opportunities to put this game away.  But so did San Diego.  They just got more help than we did at just the right time.  Competitive games should not end like this.

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The facemask was the one I thought was most questionable

I need to see a replay and look up the rule now that they changed facemask to 15 yard only, but I thought that Session’s one was exactly what the 5 yarder use to be, which is no longer a penalty.

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by shake n bake on Jan 4, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Refs do suck this year but...

No doubt the officiating is a joke this season and it did seem odd how San Diego rarely got offensive penalties but I would not pin the game on that jennings call or even try and blame the officials for the loss….the officials did not give up 167 rush yards.

As for the jennings call, it was iffy in the sense that in OT it maybe shouldn’t have been called but it did seem like it was a hold. The main issue though is that it was YET ANOTHER thing Jennings did that he never had to do. The pass would not have been completed so WTF even put yourself into a position that you may get flagged? Tim and the team as a whole has a real problem with getting penalties on plays that the other team do not convert on.

Session’s facemask was a clear penalty (grabbed the mask) and again, it was not needed since the guy was tackled.

Indy just had very bad discipline this season. Look at the offensive penalties last night as well. The holds and then it was arguable that Saturday’s trip actually helped keep the play going but it was boneheaded none the less because you KNOW it will be flagged.

So yeah, maybe the Colts got the short end of the officiating stick but again, officials did not give up 167 rush yards and what I think were 4 3rd and long conversions after playing excellent on 1st and 2nd down most of the game. Officials did not also cause the Indy OL to not run block and the punt coverage team to allow Sproles to avg 24 yards per return.

Indy lost the game because of their season long glaring issues not being fixed (typical of a Dungy coached team), not the officials. The reality is the team is just not very good in terms of championship ability and needs a lot of work. Anyone should realize that 06 was the fluke year since last night was the same pattern we have seen every other year.

by loregnum on Jan 4, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Jennings penalty

My beef on the Jennings penalty is that this was going on the entire game between both the Colts and Charger receivers. Jennings said so. I’m sure it was happening all over the field. If you are going to call that then, then you should have been calling it throughout the game. If you make those calls correctly in the beginning of the game, the players know what to expect at the end of the game. If you don’t call it during the early part of the game, then call it in overtime when it HUGELY benefits one team, then you start looking like you are determining the outcome of the game. Remember, it was 3rd and 8, we stopped them, they were going to punt, and we would have had the ball. The defense made a stop, the same way they had done the entire game, and they chose to enforce a penalty that they had not enforced through the entire game. Whether or not we like Jennings or not has no impact on the facts on the field. Football is such an emotional and hard fought game that if you give one team a benefit like that in that situation, it is probably going to be tough for the other team to recover given the fact that a score wins the game.

by Blueisgood on Jan 4, 2009 11:53 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My beef is that I thought the receiver pushed off just as much as Jennings held him

And I hated the first one. They needed to zoom in with the goddamn NBCee It to even see if Foster was holding him. That was the shittiest call of the game.

by Colts Homer on Jan 4, 2009 12:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok Dungy Hater

I agree we shouldn’t blame the officials, but thats really about it. I thought our D played very very good last night, but the offense couldn’t muster any points and that was due to our lack of running game. The offense had so many opportunites to put the game away, but failed to. The Colts first drive coming out of the second half explained the whole season….get past mid field almost into field goal range, but fail to convert not only a 3rd and 1, but also a 4th and 1. What Dungy had to work with on defense throughout his stay with the Colts, he has done an excellendt job. He was literally working with mainly undrafted FAs and late round picks and coaching them into a D that at times was in the top 10 in the league. For example last night….Bullit, A. Johnson, Bethea, Dawson, Mathis, Ratliff, Thomas, Brock, Hagler, Foster, missing Brackett (undrafted). Thats typical of a Dungy coached team…making young players who were not wanted in the draft and making them play to their fullest potential. You really can not ask for anything else.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 4, 2009 12:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly.

But if you think he’s hating Dungy in this post, try reading his other recent comments. Definitely a Dungy hater.

ColtsFanNChiTown, way to spell it out. We have a great coach who helps undervalued players play to their potential. It wasn’t enough minus Brackett and after our start of losing two key DTs, but what a coaching job.

by coltsfanawalt on Jan 4, 2009 11:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The face mask penalty

Somebody else pointed this out, and I thought I saw the same thing. It looked like Sessions face mask was being grabbed at the same time he grabbed Sproles face mask. Sproles was already down and not in a position to have his face mask severly twisted, which is all the penalty is now. In a pile of people, with bodies twisting around, that could have passed as normal or unavoidable contact. That was a questionable call at best in the 2nd quarter of a game, but to call that in overtime knowing that 15 yards essentially clinches the game seems wrong from a pure competitive standpoint. Again, it looks like the game is decided by referees rather than the players.

by Blueisgood on Jan 4, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My beef with the refs

is we get flagged for 9 penalties, but the chargers only did 3? Bull. One team got the penalties called, the other didn’t.

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Jan 4, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hated the their OT drive was extended by a facemask

while in the 4th quarter they were blocking Freeney by the mask and there was no call.

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by shake n bake on Jan 4, 2009 12:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The “facemask” wouldn’t have occured if the so called holding on Jennings wasn’t called. That call should be the bigger beef in my opinion of all the calls in OT because it was a 3rd down play and the chance the get the offense onto the field. The facemask by Sessions was the right call no matter what occurred throughout the game…it was a facemask. I’ll keep repeating, the lack of running game and the chance to put the game out of reach by our offense played a big factor on the loss last night….and the Chargers freakin punter.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 4, 2009 1:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that fucking punter...

That about sums it up….. Still, a 3rd and 2 conversion would have sewn it up for us despite ROBO-punter.

But the reffing (rhymes with effing) was truly inconsistent. That’s the biggest problem fo me. If those guys were so flag-happy, and Dungy knew it ahead of time, we lost the mental game by committing the errors, blatant or otherwise. But why weren’t a bunch of other flags thrown?

If the downfield bumping was going on all game, a flag or tao early would probably have prevented the OT penalty from ever happening because jennings would have known to avoid it. I still cannot recall a D-holding penalty on a DL in almost 4 decades of watching football. And Freeney’s facemask can yield enough DNA from McNeill’s paws to have him convicted a dozen times, but not enough to draw a flag. Most disturbing.

In fact, I think I am starting to hate McNeill for that even more than Rivers for his trash-talking crappy attitude, which I did not notice at all the other day.

Bobman

by Bobman on Jan 5, 2009 1:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brock got called for one late in some other game

defensive holding that it.

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by shake n bake on Jan 5, 2009 1:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no

it was the houston game. The Colts had made a stop on like 3rd and 5.2 million, which would have given the Colts a chance to mount a come back, then the holding call, and then went down the field to score another TD, giving them their 17 point lead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Jan 8, 2009 10:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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