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Player Review: Joseph Addai

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Games Carries Yards YPC TD Fumb Lost DYAR DVOA Suc Rate Rec Yds TDs DYAR Catch%
12 155 544 3.5 5 1 1 34(32nd) -1.3%(28th) 48%(14th) 25 206 2 40(28th) 64%

Addai has two years remaining on his contract, with a 1.7mil cap charge in 09 and 2.3mil in 2010.

The most alphabetical Colt struggled this year. Career lows across the board. How much of it you put on the line, how much on injury and how much on Addai and his running style depends on the person, but none of the Colts other backs had significantly more success and Addai was a much better back in his first two years.

Addai is a healthy offseason and a bit of OL improvement away from being a great 1a back again. He is too injury prone to carry the full load, but his consistent running, great recieving and excellent pass blocking is a huge boost to the Colts offense. Addai should get 50-70% of the carries depending on his health and the back he's sharing time with.

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I Still Like Him

I blame the right side of the line, which was just horrible down the stretch. Nobody was complaining about him dancing in the backfield when he was getting his 1000 yard seasons. That’s because the stretch play worked with a healthy Peyton and a good O-line. I think he could have a bounce back year next year.

by Colts Homer on Jan 5, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

dancing

Actually, I was complaining about his dancing in the backfield even with 1000 yard seasons. Outside of the stretch play, even when getting 1000 yards in a season, there were more than a few plays where addai would take a handoff, usually up the middle, and just STOP and dance around for a bit (exaggeration a bit, I know)

Maybe it’s just a personal preference, but backs that do that drive me nuts.

But beyond that, what can we do? Cut him? It’s not like we’ve got a draft pick that will get us one of the top backs in the board. We’re stuck with him for at least a year. The evaluation needs to come on the rest of the backs. Are the others what we need for a back that can compliment Addai and take on 50% of the carries? Guess we’ll talk about that when we get to Lance “Bass” Ball, Rhodes and Chad Simpson

by jdb on Jan 6, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shake

Where did you get the contract info? Just curious

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by MrNFL on Jan 5, 2009 10:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Coltscap.net

awesome site, I love it. Rotoworld also has contract info.

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by shake n bake on Jan 6, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not ready to give up on Addai yet

Because he was so good in 06 and 07. He obviously isn’t someone who’s great pounding the rock, and I think we still need to get a brusier for up the middle carries. In a perfect world, that’s Mike Hart, but realistically, I think we should try to see if their is a veteran short-yardage guy out there who’ll sign cheap. Because Dom isn’t that guy either.

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by MrNFL on Jan 5, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Problems to come

If I remember right, there were doubts about Addai in the draft. He wasn’t a workhorse in college, and was considered injury prone. All that was borne out this season. It seems like he ‘s become a lot more hesitant to hit holes head on, and now everything is catching up with him. He still runs like a deer in space, but I don’t see him as a dependable, durable back. It was painful watching Edge on Saturday, remembering that balance and power, the way he uses tacklers for leverage and just seems to slide through for extra yards. Polian actually knocked Edge when he left, saying that Addai might be able to turn a nine yard gain into twenty. How’s that working out? I love Addai, but the Colts need a monster, not a ballerina in pads. Hart, maybe.

by Dizz on Jan 5, 2009 10:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No need to give up on him yet

Running backs don’t just fall off the way he did without some exterior circumstances influencing his performance. If he gets healthy and the line gets healthy, there’s no reason to give up on him yet.

That said, I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to picking up another running back (depending on what happens with Rhodes and Hart) but only because I think all of the elite teams have shown that you can never have too many running backs.

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by JakeTheSnake on Jan 5, 2009 10:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And while I'm thinking of it

Could you have picked a more depressing picture for Addai there, Shake? I feel like I’m looking at the start of a Prozac commercial.

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by JakeTheSnake on Jan 5, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted one with the goofy ass beard he grew

that was as close as I could find, and I thought it was kind of appropriate for his season.

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by shake n bake on Jan 6, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Screens to Addai?

Does anyone gave access to how many screen passes were thrown to Addai this year? He has always been excellent on screens, but this season very few were called for him. Is that right?

by Dizz on Jan 5, 2009 11:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Addai

I really like him, but as people keep saying he dances to much. Im giving up on him and think that improvements along the o-line and a healthy Hart (no pun intended) with a three man running back rotation would do Addai good. I still feel like he is getting to many carries and their isnt enough back rotation. A steady dose of three different backs will do Addai good and the running game. If we bring Edge back, Addai will get some face to face work with him instead of just phone calls to help him, which should improve Addai’s gane.

by metal_militia on Jan 5, 2009 11:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lets remember

Out of the backfield and pass protection Addai is still one of the greatest RB in the league. All we need is for him to get healthy and the OL to work on the run game a bit more and get him back to his 2007 self.

I also agree that he should split carries because taking all the load just leads to alot of injury (see: brian westbrook)

by DaveT on Jan 6, 2009 1:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good point on the pass protection.

He is great at picking up that blitzer.

by coltsfanawalt on Jan 6, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh

You know Dom was the healthier of the two and statistically were almost exactly the same right? Addai had a hamstring and a shoulder injury, both of which are terrible for RBs. I’d say he was about 60-70 for the majority of the year. That means a 60-70 Addai is about the same as a 80-100 Dom so I wouldn’t be ready to throw Joe under the bus.

I’d like to see the Colts run more of a zone run blocking scheme like Houston just switched to. Not all the time, but I believe we’re too predictable when it comes to rushing. And that scheme is great for “ballerinas” and receiving backs.

And don’t forget we lost a couple of our TEs and we all saw Gijon’s blocking skills. If you lose TEs on the strong side stretch plays are definitely not going to work.

But regardless of what we do you’re all right. We HAVE to fix the running game. Every defensive scheme has been used to try to stop Peyton hasn’t worked. But this year they found out that if they key on the run we’re vulnerable.

by monstersbox on Jan 6, 2009 8:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

All points I agree.

I would like to keep Joe. He isn’t that big of a hit to the cap and his numbers this year are twilight zone strange. I don’t think its him – or just him. The O-Line has been a patch-work of players since the beginning of the season…Joe does get hurt easily – he’s little, what does anyone expect? I would prefer he be the 2nd back, tho. I still want a big, beefy guy to start at that position. Get someone in there who is going to beat the other teams D up and tire them out. Someone who doesn’t depend on the O Lines “stellar” skills. Then put in Joe to finish them off.

And…bring back EDGE. Just ’cause.

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by peytonsthebest on Jan 6, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it would be stupid to give up on him now

He’s young. He still has break away speed. He’s a complete back, he catches, runs and blocks. You won’t find anyone in the draft that is a more complete back then he is. What he needs is time to get healthy and help up front. His prolblem, besides injuries, was the O line. This year, all of the RB’s struggled, that points to a problem up front. It’s a deep draft for OT, draft one with the 1st round and one with the middle rounds. Get that O-line playing better and Joe will produce.
Don’t give up on a guy just because he has a bad year, remember he’s a big reason the colts have a superbowl trophy, he deserves another chance.

by BetterD on Jan 6, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

agree totally

one bad season with injuries doesn’t make him a bad player and he is a complete back we need. A healthy and more experienced line (including TE – maybe we missed Utecht more than we realized) could be all it takes

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by bluegirl on Jan 6, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One more vote for against the O-line (and for Joe)

During our run, we have usually have a healthy O-line that is able to play together consistently and gel. It seemed like our line was always underrated because people forgot how much our guys had played together. This year was the opposite. I just get the feeling that a year of stability up front will make a world of difference. Diem worries me a bit and hopefully Ugoh can grow up and become more consistent, but it seems like we have the personnel to keep doing what we do and with some better luck in the injury department we should be alright next year.

And aren’t we all pretty excited to see what Hart can do? Although to be fair, an ACL injury to a back usually takes a year to get healthy but two years to get back to top form, so maybe this coming year isn’t going to live up to our hopes and dreams for him…

by psvirsky on Jan 6, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my vote to stick with Joe

As long as three things happen:

1. we find ourselves a beefy bruiser as peytonsthebest suggests (Brandon Jacobs anyone?)
2. we shore up the O-line and learn those boys to run-block
3. Joe focuses more on running north than on dancing east-west (though some dancing is ok if he actually turns upfield afterward)

by LovinBlue on Jan 6, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jacobs hands are awful

He dropped a higher % of his passes in 2007 than Kenton Keith.

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by shake n bake on Jan 6, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think someone like Jacobs

not necessarily him. Besides, he will be too expensive, I think.

How many has he dropped this year? Just curious – maybe he’s corrected that problem?

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by peytonsthebest on Jan 6, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

don't have drops, but 50% catch rate

that’s bad for a WR who is running real routes instead of just dumpoffs. Ward is their 3rd down back (and is also a UFA).

I’m fine with a powerback that fits what the Colts do, I’m just making sure people wanting a Jacobs-like back doesn’t turn into other people calling for a back like Jacobs.

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by shake n bake on Jan 6, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for the confusion

I wasn’t thinking of Jacobs as a receiver, but more of his role as a powerback. I’m tired of the small guys in our backfield. What if that 3rd-and-2 play had been a handoff to Addai with a Jacobs-like guy in fullback to block in front? (sorry if I have the position name wrong)

by LovinBlue on Jan 6, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jacobs

definitely can’t catch. You never see Eli throwing to him. No slants, no screens.

I just want someone who’s big and powerful.

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by peytonsthebest on Jan 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh.

Ward isn’t as effective as Jacobs. I like Bradshaw for a speedy back. But we already have someone who can run outside – although they hardly ever send him there.

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by peytonsthebest on Jan 6, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are overvaluing a secondary asset

I’d even put it at a distant third behind running the ball between the tackles, and picking up a blitzer.

The idea of a back like Jacobs, or Jacobs himself, would be when he is in the game, the defense would know a run was coming, and it wouldn’t matter. See the Ravens game in the Playoffs where Dom dominated them. They knew he was running and couldn’t stop him. Jacobs is world’s better than 2006 Rhodes.

Saying you don’t want Jacobs because his hands are awful is (almost) like saying you don’t want Manning because he can’t run with the football. If you put aside the talent levels, it is comparing secondary assets to their respective positions. Jacobs could, in theory, go an entire year without a ball being thrown his way (his rookie year he had 0 catches). He isn’t a RB that should be expected to have 35-40 catches a season. Even if you doubled his highest reception output, it would only be 46. He had only 6 this year. It’s not his game, and everyone knows it.

Now, do I think the Colts will sign him? I put it at less than 1%. But you shouldn’t dismiss Jacobs solely on his inability to catch the ball, especially when he can gain 4 yards, even when the other team knows he’s running the ball.

by mgrex03 on Jan 6, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we had a very good runner with awful hands

we all hated him.

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by shake n bake on Jan 6, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kenton Keith is not Brandon Jacobs

If he were, some other team would have picked him up.

If Jacobs had been waived before the season, 31 other teams would have been lining up for his services.

Again, it wouldn’t be in the job description for Jacobs.

by mgrex03 on Jan 6, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd put it at less than .01%

Jacobs doesn’t fit our system. We’ve had receiving/blocking backs since Faulk and it won’t change. To tell you the truth, a RB like Westbrook would be leaps and bounds better than a Jacobs type back unless we start moving into a more two TE or I formation type sets.

Backs aren’t interchangeable. Most people fit a certain system and non-receiving backs don’t coincide with what we do. It’d be pretty much like trying to play two different types of offense at the same time. It’s not our style. We wouldn’t sign a 3-4 fat NT to play DT in our scheme.

by monstersbox on Jan 6, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying they couldn't change the offense to accommodate him

I’m saying there is zero chance they’d give the money he will want to a back who isn’t a ready fit into the offense (or give that kind of money at all).

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by shake n bake on Jan 6, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they'd change their offense

Why would they? What we have works with the right personel and minus the injury issues. It’s worked for years. Edge was considered one of the best back in the league for years. Take away the injuries and it definitely would’ve been better. Even if Jacobs was on our team this year I doubt our run game would immediately turn dominant. And our pass game would more than likely be adversely affected.

Our system’s not broken, our players have been. Some teams go for those backs because of the system they run. McClain is considered the best RB for the Ravens this year but he’s not. But the type of offense they run suits him much better than McGahee. McGahee would probably do great in our system whereas McClain wouldn’t do nearly as well. I understand it’s good to change it up, but the Colts would benefit more from the change of pace back being the “bruiser” and the main back be the Addai/Edge/Faulk/Westbrook type with a 60-40 split or so.

If you go back to my draft thread awhile back I pretty much agree with the big bruising back but it’s not like if you get a big bruiser they automatically can’t catch. Peyton Hillis was known for his receiving over his running, alot of big guys can catch and block. We don’t run a power offense and I doubt we ever will until Peyton retires if at all.

by monstersbox on Jan 6, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with all of that

I’m not advocating giving him big money, because he isn’t worth it.

However, if the league was uncapped, and Irsay said he is willing to spend whatever it takes (basically money is no object), would you want Jacobs on the Colts? I might have been confusing your argument.

by mgrex03 on Jan 6, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the money would be better spent on a back that was a better fit

if money was no object then draft picks aren’t near as important so trade for Westbrook.

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by shake n bake on Jan 6, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ward would be a great signing as a third down back

I’m a big Ward fan. He doesn’t get that much attention behind Jacobs, but he could easily be a Pro Bowl potential player.

by Colts Homer on Jan 6, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Does size really matter

When it comes to running backs being power backs? I mean, first things first, before we go bringing in a “big guy” to be a short yardage runner, lets fix the OL. This team with these RBs had no trouble running in goal line and short yardage situations when the OL was better. It doesn’t matter how big you are or how strong you are if you are consistently hit 4 yards in the backfield.

That said, I still don’t think Addai is going to be a franchise RB… just because of his injury problems and dancing.

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by Nideak on Jan 6, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good point

I guess I just want the best of both worlds!

by LovinBlue on Jan 6, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Hart

Granted that he comes back from that knee injury, I’d love to see Mike Hart become the #1 back. I’ve seen enough of him in a Colts uniform and all that footage from college to know he hits holes hard and punishes defenders. Contrasted with Addai’s shake and bake (pun intended?) and open field skills, that’s a great one-two punch with MH #1, Addai #1A (Rhodes has been great but MH has more toughness and power, if he heals to pre-injury form).

The line has to get fixed first. Letting Jake Scott go turned out to be huge, esp. with Diem out.

by justing on Jan 7, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think people need to chill with all the Mike Hart love. He had a few good carries yeah, but he blew his knee out and he won’t be “right” for at least another year. I hate to be mean, but I wouldn’t be opposed to letting him go just to make room for a running back this draft.

by KingRichard on Jan 7, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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