Free-Agency 09
I know its early, but I just can't help myself. We all know Mr. Polian and co. are not the biggest players in free agency. With the Colts cap situation, they simply do not have the luxury to throw away big money like other teams owners, Dan Syder *cough cough*. So, I took the initiative to look at a few affordable players in the upcoming free-agent market that could help the Colts, and since some of these players will be resigned Im adding multiple players for each position of need.
Jovan Haye DT
Strengths- Haye comes from a similar defensive scheme in Tampa Bay. He led all NFL defensive lineman with 97 tackles in 2007 and has experience playing DE as well.
Weaknesses-He is a RFA (Bucs still havent made any push to resign him), may be slighty more than Polian is willing to shell out, and has a meager 285 playing weight.
Larry Tripplett DT
Strengths-Ok, we all remember this guy. He knows the system and was a very productive player during his final season in Indy.
Weaknesses-Hasn't shown much in his stops between Buffalo and Seattle.
Ryan Sims DT
Strengths/Weaknesses-Another player from the Bucs defense. Knows the system and has good size(6'4' 315). Not a great starter, but would provide some much needed depth.
LB's-After witnessing the sloppy tackling of lbers all season, any upgrade in this area couldn't hurt. However, after the Bart Scotts and Angelo Crowells of the world who are likely to command top dollar, there is a huge dropoff. A Clark Haggans type player might contribute, but Polian might be better served building this need through the draft.
CB's-If Kelvin Hayden is resigned and Marlin comes back healthy than I don't see a need to change this position. However, if Hayden is not retained Dominique Foxworth and Jabari Greer would be decent options. Both are young and Greer plays in a Cover 2 designed system in Buffalo.
OG-Although the combination of Lilja's return and the improvement of Richards/Pollack should be enough to fix the OL, Polian should not depend on this. Injuries are commonplace in the NFL and there has to be a next man up. If they cannot perform than a veteran like Kynan Forney could bolster the line.
Devery Henderson WR
Strengths-After spending a few years in the Saints high-flying offense, Devery has proven to be a tremendous deep threat, something the Colts sorely lack.
Weaknesses-Sometimes has a case of the stone hands and drops easy passes.
Bryant Johnson WR
Strengths-Good height at 6'3' and proved to be a reliable reciever behind Boldin and Fitzgerald in Arizona and again in San Fransisco when catching passes from the likes of JT O'Sullivan and Shaun Hill.
Weaknesses-Not a player you would count on to replace a first-ballot hall of fame reciever, but a solid addition to an already promising wideout corps.
Terrelle Smith FB
Analysis-The Colts have never needed a fullback by trade, so why start now you may ask. Well, ever since Peyton's knee injury the Colts running attack has morphed from a timely stretch play based game into a more power based running game. For this transformation to work, a decent fullback is required to help open holes for the RB to burst through.
Darren Sproles RB
Don't know if this really needs explaining, and frankly I'd be shocked if San Diego or some other team didn't pick this guy up immediately, but as a RB and a KR, the man is simply an explosive gamechanger.
Thats all folks. Realistically Polian is not going to go through free agency with a bidding sign, but if he were to address a couple needs on this team with just one or two of these players,it would go a long way in bringing another championship to Indy. Any other players you would like to see in Colts blue, or just think they would add good depth to an already talented team, please feel free to add. Go Colts!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.
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good list but...
could you have left Sproles off there? I don’t disagree about him being a good pickup but I’m in no mood to start having flashbacks so soon after the game. ugh…
by psvirsky on
Jan 7, 2009 9:31 AM EST
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Really?
Not even a mere mention of TJ Houshmandzadeh?
I know that he’d be expensive and not much of a deep threat, but when ESPN did a FA analysis a few months ago (I know that some of us remember it), they mentioned that Housh would be a perfect fit in Indy.
I cannot help but agree, and I think that he’d be grateful to get a chance to play in a non-dysfunctional system with a top QB on a team that has a shot at winning a superbowl.
Of course, I really don’t think it’s very likely that Polian will go after any FA this offseason, let alone someone who would demand so much money… but…
you never know.
(I don’t think anyone really anticipated the Corey Simon signing, either)
by hahasound on
Jan 7, 2009 10:50 AM EST
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It’d be nice to sign TJ, but the Colts don’t need him that bad, and it’s not worth the money. The Colts need to invest in a running back, defense, and o-line. Anything else is not a priority.
by KingRichard on
Jan 7, 2009 11:13 AM EST
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oops,
missed one very important word in your post.
“affordable”.
My bad.
by hahasound on
Jan 7, 2009 10:58 AM EST
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i conpletely agree
about the need for a full back
one of the reasons the running game suffered is because we could not run our bread and butter stretch play, and did not have the personal to run a more up the gut style running…just look at how jacob hester stoned our LB’s to open holes for sproles and i see the need for a good run blocking full back
by VolsnCards5 on
Jan 7, 2009 11:02 AM EST
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Good list
I rank the priority as:
OG or OL in general
a GOOD DT not some fill in guy
LB since Brackett is the only one who is reliable although Session is good if he learns how to tackle
ST guys. The punt coverage and return units ARE HORRIBLE.
FB as the one back set just does not work with that small OL of theirs
WR since they should have a guy who can fight for the ball and be a deep threat. Gonzo and Wayne (and soon to be departed Marvin) have the same style so time to add a different style and that would be a guy who is physical
by loregnum on
Jan 7, 2009 11:26 AM EST
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This is what I think the Colts should do in the draft (not counting compensatory picks)
Rounds 1-2: OT/DT
Round 3: RB
Round 4-8: Defense Depth
The last thing I want to see the Colts do is draft yet another receiver. If Marvin retires, hopefully we’ll get to see some more of a healthy Roy Hall, who is bigger and can get a more physical receiver. Not to mention the Colts still have Pierre Garcon who had a phenominal college career. We need to see what these guys are made of already.
by KingRichard on
Jan 7, 2009 12:02 PM EST
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Agree
WR is not really a concern. They have several projects and still some excellent WRs. Not to mention Dallas Clark, who is used as a WR a decent amount.
I could see the Colts going LB late in the draft, but I don’t see it as much of a need. There’s a lot of youth in there and hopefully Brackett will be back just fine next year…as he should be.
by yellowsnow on
Jan 7, 2009 12:35 PM EST
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Wow ..
I agree with you 100% … i know this reply is a little after the fact, but still i gotta say i agree
"If loving Peyton Manning is wrong, I don't wanna be right"
by ClarkFan44 on
Jan 9, 2009 9:12 AM EST
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coverage units were actually good this year
return units sucked though, but TJ Rushing back on Punts and Simpson on kickoffs all year could fix that.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 7, 2009 12:18 PM EST
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Garcon
Showed the most potential being our return guy. But like I said in the other post, actually I don’t even have to say anything…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt68j3UjyZI
He can play RB/WR and return. Be nice to have an explosive, with heavy emphasis on explosive for Peyton to utilize.
by monstersbox on
Jan 7, 2009 1:12 PM EST
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this just in
It’s in Peyton’s contract that he never have to throw to a receiver from the Gators.
by CooperManningsNotTrying on
Jan 7, 2009 7:04 PM EST
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seriously serious
serious.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on
Jan 7, 2009 7:06 PM EST
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I actually think Session is one of our better tacklers. He is turning into a good linebacker
by skywalker on
Jan 7, 2009 12:22 PM EST
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ya, i dont get the Session hate.
Brackett is the emotional leader and best MIKE on the team, but I think next year Session will be the best overall LB on the team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
by Nideak on
Jan 7, 2009 1:25 PM EST
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Hayden
According to the latest edition of the Polian Corner, Kelvin Hayden is very likely to be re-signed even though it will be relatively expensive.
“…Secondly, players who are entering new contracts may not receive anything but a 30 percent increase year to year. In (cornerback) Kelvin Hayden’s case he’s a free agent who we will very likely re-sign. He can receive no more than a 30 percent increase over his first year for every succeeding year of his contract, which means obviously that his first year will have to be very, very cash heavy and very cap heavy. That squeezes your cap a little more.”
by LukeM on
Jan 7, 2009 3:29 PM EST
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awesome
Pushing Jennings back into the nickel (or even dime if they want to move Bethea/Bullitt to CB in the nickel) will make for a great secondary.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 7, 2009 3:42 PM EST
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Definitely move Bethea
I was going over this yesterday. Bethea was originally supposed to be a CB, but we moved him to safety because of lack of depth. Bullit is a natural safety and a great tackler. I’d much rather have Bullit on RBs and TEs and not have him wasting his tackling ability on receivers. Bethea’s great, but not the tackler or true safety like Bullit. That’s going to be one scary secondary. Bob, Marlin, Melvin, Kelvin, Antoine. Wow, it was all sounding like I was making up names to sound cool until I got to Antoine. Was kind of digging the way it flowed.
If (when please please when), we draft a 2nd round or better DT we might be looking at a great defense. If they draft a DT the only question I’m really going to have is what our plan is for MIKE. Session I believe is going to be an awesome OLB but I don’t think the MLB fits him as well. Same thing for him as Bullit, I don’t want him to waste his ability to tackle on slot route receivers. I’m really wondering if they’re planning on using Wheeler in the future. I just never figured out that pick. Seems more like a 3-4 blitzer than a 4-3 Tampa 2 back. But I’m sure they have something for him, I just wish I knew what it was with our LB situation. And honestly, Brackett will probably want more than we can pay him if we pay out for Hayden and Saturday.
I wouldn’t put it past the Colts to get a DT and a MLB in the first two rounds. And I wouldn’t be upset, even though I’m starting to develop a man crush for Percy Harvin. Damn you youtube, how dare you tempt me with him. We’re on the verge of a very nasty defense at the right time for Peyton to use it for at least a few years.
by monstersbox on
Jan 7, 2009 4:05 PM EST
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Brackett is signed through next season
and I think his market value is more like Cato June’s (Tampa-2 teams were the only ones who would touch him) than the long line of SLBs the Colts have thrown off to various 4-3 teams/schemes.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 7, 2009 4:27 PM EST
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I’m a Gators fan and I love me some Percy Harvin but the Colts don’t need him. He reminds me of Peter Warrick, except that Warrick was a lot better, more like light years better. Now that I think back, Peter Warrick was the sickest damn college player I’ve ever seen. Anyways, problem is with guys like that who are do-it-all type players, they never really transition well into the NFL. Example: Peter Warrick. lol
But on a serious note, the major problem with guys like that is they never fit into a specific mold. They aren’t true receivers or true running backs. In the NFL, you basically need to stick to one position and try to become the master of your trade to have success. So basically what I’m saying is, if he were willing to become a slot receiver and possibly a kick/punt returner, hell yeah I’d want him on the team. Another problem is he probably won’t make it past the first half of teams on draft day. So you might as well kiss that idea goodbye.
by KingRichard on
Jan 7, 2009 4:36 PM EST
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That's right
That’s my entire point of liking him. I don’t want him to be a straight receiver or a straight RB. That’s actually one of the types of players who makes your team extremely dynamic and allow you to do so much more than the norm. Think of Leon Washington, Deshaun Jackson (granted mainly a receiver but he does end arounds and returns), Reggie Bush (RB version of Jackson). And I agree normally it doesn’t transition well from college to the pros, but for the most part I can tell when someone looks natural at doing something and when they’re just a good athlete and can get away with doing it in college. For example, Tebow isn’t going to transition to the NFL and dominate like he did with the Gators. Percy grew up locally and went to a highschool about 15 minutes from my place. They’ve kept tabs on him pretty well. Just watch his runs and leave out his receiving highlights, he looks like a very good RB, you wouldn’t even guess that he’s supposed to be a WR. Now take out his runs and only watch his receiving, you’d never guess he could run like he does. And seriously, special teams coverage and returning are by far the most undervalued aspect of the game. The Chargers have proven that. Alot of teams have shown recently what a legit returner that can also add to other aspects of the game can add to the team. If we had any one of Cribbs, Hester, Manning (that’d be cool huh?), Washington, Sproles, and Parish just to mention a few, you can’t deny we’d be significantly better. We’re 28th in KR and dead last in PR. And those aren’t just numbers that don’t mean much. Our offense for years covered for it, but it’s been a pretty significant issue the past couple years.
I’m not saying put a guy like that on the outside, no way, he’d definitely be best suited to the slot anyway. If you put a guy with 4.3 speed in the slot with Wayne and Gonzo out the outside, I garauntee you Addai starts looking like a stud again. And now add to it that the dude can actually run, I’m not talking about WR trying to play RB running (Reggie Bush), I’m saying this guy could spend his entire career as a RB and be respectable. He wouldn’t be insane, but he’d have a better than average career. You put him him for about 8 carries per game and he’d do some damage with the potential of hitting a home run. We’ve lost our home run ability. We’re not the big play Colts anymore. I’m not saying it’s bad, but to have the threat of it is enough to make people start to say “Woah, guess we can’t play them 18 yards deep zones anymore because even if they’re not going to run, that dude might blow by us.” Every single time he touches the ball, he looks like he’s half an inch away from breaking it for a score or he does score. And his catches were NFL caliber catches. They weren’t “oh look at me I’m so fast nobody in college can keep up with me”, they were “dude’s hanging on me, I’m behind him and I end up with the ball” type catches.
Peyton’s never had an legit explosive player before. I understand alot of those guys don’t transition well, but call it a hunch, but I think Peyton could make ease the dudes transition and make him look good doing it. And if you want to say that his speed won’t transition well, look at the youtube link I posted and go to about 1:45 into it. The Arkansas DB is up the field on him, has position, and he’s definitely not slow. Then you see Percy drop his head, lift it, and just kick it into another gear. The guy had no chance of catching him at all.
Everyone has made their statements and arguments for the draft. Mine was adamently for a DT. However, I saw the validity of several other arguments. RB and WR being right up there. I’ve also made the case to find a legit returner because a polite term to use on our return game is “utter and complete stinky crap”. If this dude happens to fall when it’s our time to pick, I’m just saying, I wouldn’t be unhappy if they pushed DT to the second round and took him. I think he immediately helps the return game, could add a spark to the running game, and by the mid to end of the season, knowing Manning he’ll have him looking pretty decent. We have to face the grim future of life without Harrison. Wayne, Gonzalez, Clark are better than most, but it’s not the same as Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Edge.
And like I said, I’m not saying go after any dude, I’m saying that I wouldn’t be upset at all if they put off a DT, OT etc and took him instead. He may not significantly improve any one individual spot, although I think he’d be a phenomenal receiver if he can learn the routes in the slot and a sick returner, he’d add another weapon that isn’t the mantra that the Colts have been showing for a few years now. Aside from the SB win, we’ve been at a crossroads in the playoffs regularly scratching our heads. Could this guy end up sucking? Sure, first rounders end up sucking more than they end up making the HoF, but him, or a player similar to him, could be exactly what we’re looking for to throw at teams that are expecting the same Colts year after year.
And shake, I know about Brackett’s contract. What I’m saying is the dude’s not exactly young, might want more money than we’re willing to give him and could probably get a better offer somewhere else, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves. And alot of teams run the Tampa 2 now, or at least the mockery they’ve made of it. The Bears, Bucs, and Colts are the teams these other guys like to rape during free agency. And with all the movement going on, we don’t know where Marinelli is going to end up but I promise you if he doesn’t go to a Tampa 2 he gets hired to implement it. Right now of course Detroit, KC, Chicago, Indy, Buffalo, and SD and Dallas run 3-4 “hybrid” versions of the T2. And if Meeks goes somewhere, that’s another possibility of it cropping up somewhere else, so I wouldn’t dismiss the likelyhood of other teams throwing their hats in. I’ll cede the point that some teams will stop trying to do it as well, but any Cover 2 or 4-3 would like to have Brackett. And Brackett’s proven himself more than June had at this point in his career. He’s an opportunist and people love that in players. He just always seems to be exactly where he needs to be to make some ridiculous play or turnover. Brackett’s the man, I really do hope we keep him, I’m just saying I wouldn’t be shocked.
by monstersbox on
Jan 7, 2009 6:58 PM EST
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yeah
a MLB of the future should be a concern, Tampa-2 MLBs have a hard assignment. It takes a special skill set.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 7, 2009 7:03 PM EST
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Very hard
That was exactly my point with the concern over it. Right now we have Brackett, great, but will we next year? I don’t know. But right now I don’t think we have anyone that can be a great MLB, we have ones that we could work with, but it’d be the same situation we have with “working with what we got” on the DT situation. Brackett’s knowledge and football insticts are worth so much to mentor a young LB that could turn out to be phenomenal with the right direction. If we do lose him, and like I said I hope we don’t, at least the lasting value of him being able to guide someone would be awesome.
by monstersbox on
Jan 7, 2009 7:07 PM EST
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Ideal Free Agency
If you could have your way, while being remotely realistic, what guys would you sign?
For me,
Sign Haynesworth, Sproles, Vilma, Terrelle Smith, and re-sign Saturday and Hayden.
Haynesworth fills an obvious need.
Hayden and Saturday are two players who played well for the team, and should be back.
Sproles may be a bit of a luxury, but he could help as a second RB and be the main returner.
Smith would fill the FB role.
Vilma is a talented LB, and, maybe it’s just me, but Colts linebackers missed quite a few tackles last year, in addition to missing games with injuries. Like Sproles, he’s not really need, but he’d be nice.
"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science." - Ron Burgundy
by J-Gao on
Jan 7, 2009 6:28 PM EST
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remotely realistic?
we aren’t the Yankee’s here. It’s a small-mid market team in a capped league.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 7, 2009 6:33 PM EST
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You're right
Just wishing.
Adding Haynesworth, and re-signing the guys that should be re-signed is pretty much all I SHOULD hope for.
What kind of contract would Big Al be likely to command?
"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science." - Ron Burgundy
by J-Gao on
Jan 7, 2009 6:52 PM EST
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the most recent big money DT contract I can think of is Tommie Harris
4 years 40 million, 18 million of it guaranteed.
I don’t trust Haynesworth with a multi-year deal. He’s flat out said the reason he jumped from a good DT to a dominant one the last two years was working out more and harder, both of those years he just happened to be playing for a new contract.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 7, 2009 6:59 PM EST
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I was pissed
That the Bears extended Harris’ contract. That dude would’ve been awesome. Wouldn’t even have to teach him anything and he’s arguably the most underrated DT in the league. Not saying he’s the best, but he’s overlooked and probably one of the best T2 DTs in the league. The Williams’ are both decent, but Harris has penetration, speed, strength, and the ability to demand a double team. Freeney and Mathis would be loving life with him or a 1st or 2nd round draft pick very similar to him. couPeriaJerrygh
by monstersbox on
Jan 7, 2009 7:02 PM EST
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Uh
You do know Haynesworth was suspended for 5 games for intentionally dragging his cleats over the face of a dude that was laying in a pile pinned with no helmet on right? Haynesworth will never ever be a Colt. Ever.
by monstersbox on
Jan 7, 2009 6:59 PM EST
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Good point
Trouble waiting to happen. Not to mention shake’s point of his playing for contracts, not for playing.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on
Jan 7, 2009 7:02 PM EST
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Oh
Didn’t realize that. But DT is an obvious need, and the only really good one one in college that I can think of off the top of my head is Perry Jeria (although I’m sure there are others, but not as good).
But isn’t an unmotivated Haynesworth not playing for a contract still one of the best DT’s?
"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science." - Ron Burgundy
by J-Gao on
Jan 7, 2009 7:08 PM EST
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senderrick marks
I know it’s a post about free agency, but wasn’t Marks the only other likely DT on the 1st/2nd round list of prospects? Has anyone seen him play, and is he any good? Too good to drop to the second half of the first round?
by CooperManningsNotTrying on
Jan 7, 2009 7:20 PM EST
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There's more than 2
There’s more than just 2 good DTs that would significantly improve our line. I won’t get too much into it, but Marks and Jerry fit our style of the lighter, faster, but still strong prototypical tackle we would want in our system.
This is the site I like to use to check out potential players. I don’t agree with the main site everytime, but he has a draft database with quite a few mock drafts and scouting.
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009DT.php
I think with our ability to take UFA after UFA and shine them up to look like a decent draft pick speaks volumes for what we could do if the Colts actually put some effort into scouting some talent there.
by monstersbox on
Jan 7, 2009 7:27 PM EST
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cool site
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on
Jan 7, 2009 7:35 PM EST
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So a general question for the Indy fanbase...
In general, you build your team through the draft. We all know this, and the Colts front office obviously gets it, as they’ve been able to field competitive regular season teams with rookies/1st/2nd year players. With all that said, in other sports, its usually thought, ‘You build through the draft’, but when you’re close, you go all out in FA and whatnot to get over the top.
With Peyton having a few years left, even if we say 6, would Colts fans be opposed to, maybe not this year, but soon, selling out the future for another strong championship push? I mean, FAs, trading draft picks, etc… in hopes of getting all of the rings they can out of Peyton, and then going through cap and rebuilding hell (assuming there is still a cap in the post Peyton era) afterwards (in the Chris Polian era, presumeably).
So, what are your general thoughts on this? I understand its harder to do trades in the NFL and everything, but just your thoughts in general of selling the teams future to win. Are you willing to have 3-4 years of suckiness again, if it means 1 or 2 more championships?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
by Nideak on
Jan 7, 2009 8:22 PM EST
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I vote go for it
especially given the uncertainty around salary cap rules starting in 2010.
by LovinBlue on
Jan 7, 2009 8:32 PM EST
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Point taken
I might not agree with going against our normal routine, but I’m sure we all felt it probably for the first time really this year. Manning with the injury and us finally realizing that he’s over 30 is finally starting to hit home. He became mortal again, but just as impressive. Us knowing that he was going to be there every game and not injured was more stable than Favre’s streak. Pain killers etc…you all know. We took it for granted and now we realize that it’s sped by because we’ve just been good for so long. And I think they give it this one last year because we pretty much know at least the general source of the problems and have it within our ability to heal and draft towards where we think we should be. If we can’t do it next year, we’ll probably start seeing the fire sale especially if Dungy retires. I promise you they’ll do everything against the norm to try to get Manning another ring or two. It’s their best chance of doing it without having to wait for another person remotely close to him in playing ability. I’d just have to look at about this time next season and see if it’s even possible. But I’d like to be competitive after Manning retires too and just not turn into the 49ers. Granted, I could probably take that for a few years if Peyton gets another 1 or 2 rings. I could rent my soul for a little while.
by monstersbox on
Jan 8, 2009 1:26 AM EST
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I think
I’m of the same opinion. I think this off-season is too early (although there are some players that would definitely fit in with the Colts’ needs, such as the two I mentioned) and that the decision would probably have to be made next year, if they are going to go that direction. Personally, I would be all for it. I understand that it would be a few years of suckage, but honeslty, if you know its coming, arent a few rebuilding years of 3-13, 4-12, 8-8 better than 6 more years of playoff heart break? (I’m not attempting to give a commentary on the current/past state of the colts, its just my opinion that if i KNOW the sucking is coming, its easier to take)
And I really feel like the post-manning era is going to be a lot harder than some people think, even with a Polian running the show. Once in a life time talents only come along once in a life time, imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
by Nideak on
Jan 8, 2009 2:05 PM EST
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but honeslty, if you know its coming, arent a few rebuilding years of 3-13, 4-12, 8-8 better than 6 more years of playoff heart break?
Yes, I say YES!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on
Jan 8, 2009 3:14 PM EST
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So kind of like the Tampa Bay Rays of baseball?
Suck for a while before finally getting enough top-5 picks to get competitive, before, probably, repeating the cycle, with less and less effectiveness as other teams get smarter?
I don’t think this is a great idea.
Personally, I don’t think the Colts are that far off from being Super Bowl-caliber. Just a few smart drafts and one big signing is all they need. Of course, I’m generally very optimistic about my favorite teams.
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by J-Gao on
Jan 7, 2009 8:48 PM EST
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if you're responding to my question
then no, the exact opposite of what you said. Don’t suck at all, get rid of all of the Colts draft picks and cap space in an effort to make one last push for a ring. Just hypotheticals:
cutting harrison and then signing haynesworth and houshmanzadeh and then using our first round pick to trade for some hypothetical franchised LT or something. Basically, mortgaging the post manning era to win NOW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
by Nideak on
Jan 7, 2009 9:09 PM EST
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I was responding to you. I meant that after winning a few times, there’d be a fairly long period of suckage. I don’t think that it’s necessary to go all out. I think the Colts are close enough to winning that maybe one big signing and smart drafting should get the far enough. No need to mortgage the future.
"I'm a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and brawn. That's what kind of man I am. You're just a woman with a small brain. With a brain a third the size of us. It's science." - Ron Burgundy
by J-Gao on
Jan 7, 2009 9:32 PM EST
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I’m assuming that there will be a period of sucking at some point, anyhow, because around the same time the Colts will lose Manning, Freeney, and Wayne, and perhaps a few other “key” players. As has been pointed out a lot, you just don’t find franchise QBs every day, who nows how long the Colts will go before replacing Manning.
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by Nideak on
Jan 7, 2009 10:50 PM EST
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Dumb Question
What comes first, Free Agency or the Draft?
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by J-Gao on
Jan 7, 2009 8:49 PM EST
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Free Agency. The draft is in April.
by KingRichard on
Jan 7, 2009 9:20 PM EST
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That kind of complicates things. I was thinking that after drafting, they could see what they needed to do w/free agency. Of course, it works the other way around.
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by J-Gao on
Jan 7, 2009 9:31 PM EST
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Free agency opens like two weeks after the superbowl, draft is the last weekend in March
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 7, 2009 9:36 PM EST
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The draft is on April 25th and 26th.
by KingRichard on
Jan 7, 2009 9:55 PM EST
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I'm dumb
wrong month
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 7, 2009 9:57 PM EST
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where is the EDGE on this list
The player most likely to be signed is Edgerrin James.
What is Addai’s cap #? Because whatever it is it is too high. A running back cannot have Marvin Harrison’s abillity to quit on plays (I mean just go down)
by Man of Pace on
Jan 8, 2009 3:52 PM EST
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Addai's cap #
Last year he had Vinitieri and Gonzo just above him, Hagler and Josh Thomas just below him.
Next year it’s 1.7 mil. Less than 2% of the cap.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 8, 2009 4:22 PM EST
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Technically
Edge still has one year left on his deal even though he said he wants out of the desert. None of the lists of avalible free-agents had him listed.
by Playoff Pride on
Jan 8, 2009 5:57 PM EST
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from the comments Edge has made
the Cards probably need a deep playoff run while feeding him tons of carries for him not to be screaming for his release.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on
Jan 8, 2009 6:09 PM EST
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Jeff Saturday
Saturday should be Polian’s priority #1.
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