The Polian Corner: Final report from the Big Red Head on the 2008 season
The Bill Polian Show is highly entertaining, especially if you like to hear Bill Polian talk about football philosophy, strategy, and history. He really is a fountain of football knowledge, and while he likes to pontificate a bit on certain things, he keeps his knowledge (and his cards) very close to the vest. Someone once called into his show and asked him if he planned to write a book when he retired. Polian laughed and said no because he has family and friends still in the business. He doesn't want to give away his secrets.
Subtle hint folks: Never play poker with Bill Polian. He will clean you out, George C. Scott style.
Never play poker with Bill Polian or The Hustler's Burt Gordon.
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Some Colts fans get annoyed with Polian and his show, claiming he does nothing but spin, spin, spin. Even some media people, like former Raiders GM Mike Lombardi, who now works for National Football Post, think GM radio shows do nothing but cause problems.
On this point, I disagree. And Bill Polian's show proves it can work. The benefit of a show featuring your team's GM is it can give the fans insight into the kind of person running the team. In the case of now former Cleveland GM Phil Savage, his show proved he was a clueless idiot with no business running an NFL franchise. This was made even more abundantly clear with his now infamous F&*k You email to a fan. If I'm an NFL owner, I would insight my GM have a local radio show. If you cannot field calls or questions from fans, how the hell are you going to deal with the stress of working a high level NFL personnel job?
In Polian's case, he does a great job answering (sometimes moronically stupid) fan questions. It is particulary enjoyable to read his responses after a loss. With this, you have to give him credit. Very few people will put themselves out there after a heart-breaking loss. Bill does it each and every week, win or lose. That should offer you some small insight into Polian's character. Like him or not, he will not back down from his responsibilities. He will own any problem, stand up for anyone on his team.
That said, here are the highlights from the last Bill Polian Show of the 2008 season:
- With all the injuries and rotten luck the Colts went through in 2008, Polian is surprised the team got as far as it did.
- The loss to San Diego was not the fault of the defense. They just wore down in OT. Indy's inability to run the ball cost them the game.
- Kelvin Hayden will get re-signed.
To think you could go into that game without Marlin Jackson and without Gary Brackett against that high-powered offense and essentially hold them to 17 points in regulation – which should be enough to win in every National Football League game; that’s the blueprint – that’s an incredible performance by our defense. As I say, they were from the Cleveland game on among the best defenses in the National Football League. To not have their performance rewarded really hurt. It hurts badly
This was the most difficult season of all the playoff seasons we’ve had. You’re going to lose some games like this. Every year, everybody except the Super Bowl champion goes home a ‘loser.’ In every city, there are calls for everyone’s head. There are calls for change in direction. Over time, that has proven not to be the correct approach. If you look at the teams in the National Football League who habitually win, they are the ones who do the right things and stay the course. The teams that habitually give in to the short-term frustration of losing are the ones that continue to lose.
Again, I love Bill Polian. It takes a no-nonsense guy to handle Hoosier fans sometimes.
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With on fan who called in and said he was “losing faith in the team” (and to this moron we Stampede Bluers say, There’s the door chump; go root for the Bengals if your “faith” is so easily lost), Bill reminded this yutz that the Colts won the friggin Super Bowl two years ago
So you think that the fans of a team that goes one and done in the playoffs 3 of 4 years shouldn’t be allowed to even question that team? Are you one of those people that says, ‘IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE LAWS, MOVE TO CANADA!!!!"? I understand that you want to come off as this in-your-face tough guy, and thats fine when you’re dealing with fans of other teams, but it really seems like you continue to miss the mark whenever you talk about the Colts and their fans.
Some people out there are probably OK with having a ton of great regular seasons and then generally falling flat in the post season. They’ll say, “i remember when the Colts would go 1-15 and you were just so happy to get the 1!” Well, okay. I remember part of when the Colts stunk, too, but I was born in ’80, so its not like I got to enjoy the full suckitude too much. That being said, the Colts are still post-season underachievers.
I don’t think that anyone that shares my (apparently unpopular) point of view on the Colts thinks they should win the Super Bowl every year, but the one and dones are ridiculous. This is a team with the league MVP. Apparently with one of the top defenses in the NFL. ANd they couldn’t beat an 8-8 team without their starting running back, their best pass rusher, with their star TE hobbled and with NORV TURNER as their head coach. Look, maybe the Colts are better off than I think, but they sure aren’t fine.
You can continue to point to 6 seasons of 12 wins in a row and say, its okay! Stay the course! But that regular season success doesn’t negate the obvious post-season failures of this team.
This is a year where the AFC had the following occur: No Tom Brady. No Shawne Merriman. No VINCE YOUNG!!!! A rookie QB on the team with maybe the best defense. No offensive line and a turnover prone QB on the team with maybe the best defense. For all the injuries they had, I’m being told that they had the league MVP (true) and one of the best defenses in the league at the end of the year (I hope all of you guys in the ‘3rd down defense thead’ are happy!) and they couldn’t do better than ‘happy to be here, can we pick at the end of the first round, again?’
Further, you’re taking an extreme. No one is saying BLOW IT UP. No one is saying fire Dungy, fire Polian, fire Irsay and bring in the Bidwells!!!! Actually, for the most part, people that are concerned about this team aren’t saying much of anything, because anytime they do they are told to MOVE TO CANADA. Well, I already live in Canada, so I guess I’ll just continue to rationally and calmly voice my concern with Colts fans that want to continue to cheer for the Colts and be rational human beings.
Finally, monstersbox: You and I seem to type the biggest WALLS… OF… TEXT… on the internet. I think you and I should harness this gift and start our own blog… “Monster and Nid’s WALLS OF TEXT”. I’m pretty sure this will be a big hit, especially with the cyber-ladies. It may even lead to bigger and better things, like being head coach of the oakland raiders. We would start out with just football, of course, but we could move to other things, such as politics, fashion, soap operas, and public transportion in cities with more than 3 million people. I’m pretty sure that people out there are dying to hear what we have to say, and it will be a unique blog, as it won’t be one voice, but two people continuing to wall of text off of each other in a free-flowing manner. Now, just so everyone knows, this idea is being copyrighted by me as I type, so don’t go tryin to steal this goldmine, it won’t work. Monstersbox, you hit me up, let me know what you wanna do. I mean, this is gonna be great, dude. It’ll be bigger than Rocky or the Spice Girls.
I’m pumped.
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by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh wait!!!
Monstersbox, i just thought of something… did you ever watch the show, ‘Friends’? There was an episode where the character Joey finds his ‘hand twin’ and he sings a song (to the tune of ‘this land is your land) and it basically goes, ’This hand is your hand, this is hand is my hand, no wait thats your hand, no wait its my hand…’ So I was thinking, when we start this awesome WALL OF TEXT blog, we could have a theme song:
"This blog is your blog… this blog is my blog, no wait thats your blog, no wait thats my blog, it is a big blog, a wall of text blog, this blog was written by me and you.’
Or something. It can be edited or improved or maybe dumbed down a little, because we wouldn’t want the theme song to overshadow the blog.
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by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"losing faith in the team"
to me means they want some kind of big change. They want a new coach or GM or scheme. They are losing faith in the way the team is doing things.
It’s fine (and expected) to be disappointed when the Colts don’t win the superbowl every year, but that they don’t doesn’t mean they are doing it wrong or that their methods don’t work and they need to make changes to the FO, scheme or to overhaul the roster.
Chance is a big part of football. Both number one seeds lost a game to a team that missed the playoffs. You can do everything right as a coach and front office and still not win a title.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Jan 9, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a trend...
and the Colts are not great in the playoffs (superbowl aside). I will continue to be upset at the lack of ability come playoff time. All those wins in the regular season don’t mean squat in January.
by TRDean on Jan 9, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All those wins in the regular season don’t mean squat in January.
You are right about that. In January the regular season wins don’t matter, but come February, March, April it means a lot. It means that your FO and coach is doing something very right.
Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA
by shake n bake on Jan 9, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree with you....
As a long time Colts fan and a sufferer of all those loosing seasons…I (we) can say just about anything we want. BBS seems to think that complaining about one and done is a capital offense. That is utter BS. This team is a choke in the playoffs. I don’t care how many regular season wins they get. It didn’t matter to the Pats last year and it doesn’t matter to us this year. Nideak…you hit the nail on the head. I am not calling for wholesale changes either…but something must change. I love Dungy, but if he does leave I think there will be an excellent opportunity for Caldwell. By the way…I love Canada and would have no problem living there…as long as I could still get the Colts games!!
by TRDean on Jan 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the dirty little secret about canada
I get every NFL game, every NHL game, every NBA game, every MLB game, a lot of NCAAFB and NCAABB, and various minor league hockey games…
for $24.99 a month.
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by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you suck
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
only problem is
with regards to football games, I don’t get EVERY HD game.. I get the Monday night and Sunday night games in HD. I get all of the NFLN games in HD. I get Seattle FOx and CBS games in HD. I get Buffalo Fox and CBS HD games in HD, and then I get 1-3 games per time slot each sunday in HD. But sometimes the 1-3 wildcard HD games are just repeats of some other HD game I’m getting on Fox or CBS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now wait a minute
That’s not what I even suggested, let alone said. Being upset and complaining about something is natural. “Losing faith” suggests the fan is no longer interested in watching the team. And I’m sorry, if after only two years removed from winning the Super Bowl and winning 25 games since that Super Bowl means your faith is shaken, then there is a name for you:
Fair Weather Fan.
If you are advocating changes in light of all this, you simply don’t have any perspective. None. Zero. Zilch. I have absolutely no understanding as to the mindset of a fan who thinks changes are needed. This team and this org are doing just fine. If you are somehow upset that the Colts have not won more Super Bowls, then sweet Jesus God you are one spoiled fan. No team that hasn’t cheated has won more than one Super Bowl in the modern cap era.
Seriously, name one franchise in the modern cap era that is better than Indy. New England is there, but they cheated their way to three Super Bowls. Pittsburgh, maybe. Who else?
Seriously, people bitching and moaning about “faith” need to calm the hell down. If your faith is shaken in this franchise, do us all a favor and get off the wagon. In fact, stop watching football all together. You simply have no perspective, and you will NEVER be satisfied.
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by BigBlueShoe on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its you that has no perspective.
You think that your train of thought is the only one and if we’re not with you, we’re against you, and thats about as mature is a green banana.
This team does, in fact, have flaws. You know how i know this? Because they don’t win every game. Thats right! If they were flawless, they would be undefeated. So now that we have ‘duh’ out of the way, lets move on.
That’s not what I even suggested, let alone said. Being upset and complaining about something is natural. "Losing faith" suggests the fan is no longer interested in watching the team. And I’m sorry, if after only two years removed from winning the Super Bowl and winning 25 games since that Super Bowl means your faith is shaken, then there is a name for you:
Fair Weather Fan.
I would hazard a guess that some of the people you are calling ‘fair weather fans’ have been a fan of the Colts longer than you’ve been alive. Something you might want to consider before you call someone a bandwagon fan or fairweather fan. Moreover, if I or anyone else here was truly a bandwagon fan/fairweather fan, we wouldn’t be posting on a Colts blog. We’d probably have never been on a Colts’ blog. We’d probably be on a Patriots blog or a Giants blog.
Also, to quote one of the great all time movies when it comes to your use of the word ‘faith’: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Losing faith doesn’t mean I don’t want to watch the Colts play. (Not that I’ve said I’ve lost faith, but I don’t mind playing the part for a minute). Saying “I’ve lost interest” would be closer. Saying I’ve lost faith would most likely mean ‘I no longer think you get a hall pass just because you’ve won over 72 games in 6 years’. The Yankees won, what, 4 world series in the late 90s? At this point, do you not think some of their fanbase is ‘losing faith’? It doesn’t mean that they aren’t still rabid about their team, it just means that when the season starts, they no longer just blindly think they are going to make the playoffs/win it all.
If you are advocating changes in light of all this, you simply don’t have any perspective. None. Zero. Zilch. I have absolutely no understanding as to the mindset of a fan who thinks changes are needed. This team and this org are doing just fine. If you are somehow upset that the Colts have not won more Super Bowls, then sweet Jesus God you are one spoiled fan. No team that hasn’t cheated has won more than one Super Bowl in the modern cap era.
*fan – noun an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity, etc.: a baseball fan; a great fan of Charlie Chaplin *
Fanatic – a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics
So, I’m not sure how you can’t understand that mindset, since it is that mindset that defines who we, as fan(atics) are.
I’m not somehow upset that they’ve not won more super bowls, I’m upset that they have made the playoffs over the last 4 years, in each of the last 4 years they played someone with an inferior record in the first round, and their playoff record over the last 4 years is? 4-3.
Yahtzee. They are playoff underachievers and I cannot understand how YOU can’t see that,. It’s not about winning the super bowl every year, but hey, have the decency to show up. And if you say ‘whats the difference between going out in the first round and the second round’, I’ll just counter with, ‘well, then, why make the playoffs at all if you’re not going to win it all’, because clearly its better to miss the playoffs and get better draft picks every year you don’t plan on winning it all.
Seriously, name one franchise in the modern cap era that is better than Indy. New England is there, but they cheated their way to three Super Bowls. Pittsburgh, maybe. Who else?
Seriously, people bitching and moaning about "faith" need to calm the hell down. If your faith is shaken in this franchise, do us all a favor and get off the wagon. In fact, stop watching football all together. You simply have no perspective, and you will NEVER be satisfied.
Give me your criteria for better? Regular season wins? Super Bowl wins? Post season wins? Regular season awards?
And seriously, who, other than some caller into the BPS that probably doesn’t know how to use the internet, let alone log onto this message board, is talking about faith? FOr the most part, we’re just saying there is a problem.
I think there are going to be a lot of Colts fans in Toronto next year.
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by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, let's not go back down this road yet again.
Seriously. We have been arguing about this for days.
I would like to quote a very intelligent man whom I’ve come to respect:
Chance is a big part of football. Both number one seeds lost a game to a team that missed the playoffs. You can do everything right as a coach and front office and still not win a title.
With all of the injuries we’ve had, its amazing we even got into the playoffs. I remember some of you saying that you’d be happy with a 10-6 record.
And I would like to reiterate: THE REFS IN THAT GAME HANDED IT TO SAN DIEGO. Granted, it isn’t all their fault.
I just don’t understand the lack of gratitude around here. Its not like we’re rooting for the Detroit Lions. C’mon now, things could be MUCH worse.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So it was chance that caused the Colts to do 1 and done in 05, 07, and 08, but skill that caused them to go all the way in 06?
At some point we have to realize that the Super Bowl was the exception, not the rule.
And I find it funny, I like shake, but this is a guy that lives and dies by DVOA and stats, not ‘feel of the game’, ‘bounce of the ball’, and chance.
Here’s what I know thats not a chance: this year, mike scifers (spelling?) and darren sproles raised the level of their games in the playoffs. Last year Billy Volek was Joe Montana. In 05, for all the talk about the run defense, I seem to remember Ben Roethlisberger having no trouble picking apart the pass defense. In the playoffs its not about doing what you do, its about raising your intensity level, raising the bar, going all out to overcome the other teams insenity and will to win. More times than not the Colts don’t do that.
Just out of curiousity, ptb: Do you believe the Colts were better than the Steelers in 05? Do you believe the Colts were better than the Chargers in 07? Do you believe the Colts were better than the Chargers in 08? Do you believe the Colts were better than the Patriots in either 03 or 04? Do you believe the Colts were better than the Jets in 02?
I don’t mean, ‘well, the scoreboard said they weren’t.’ I mean, as a fan going into the game, did you think the Colts were the better team in any of those years?
Now, in 03 did you think the Colts were better than the Broncos or Chiefs?
In 04 did you think the Colts were better than the Broncos?
In 06 did you think the Colts were better than the Chiefs, Ravens, and Patriots?
So I think thats 12 questions, but please, if you could answer them I’d really appreciate it and I think it would help me prove either my point or your point.
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by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Answer(s)
Yes. I always believe this team is better than any team out there. I know that in any game they CAN ALWAYS WIN. That doesn’t mean they will, though. And that’s life. I accept we are out of the playoffs, I’m not happy about that but what would be the point if I allowed any misdirected anger to eat me alive? I’m not accusing anyone, mind you, this is just my attitude toward life in general. If I have no control(over whatever), what is the point bitching about it? ;)
Maybe I’m just used to this more than others around here (other than BlueVol): I’ve been a fan of Peyton’s (HUGE fan) since he decided he was going to Tennessee. Does FSU ring any bells?
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
I don’t have any misdirected anger. Heck, I don’t have much anger, really. I mean, I think probably like you, sports are compartmentalized. I have my wife and kids and sports could go to hell and die and what would it matter? When I’m talking about sports, however, I’m damned passionate. Not as passionate as Winnie the Pooh going after some honey, but more passionate than Capt Kirk going after some purple skinned alien chick.
Let me give you my answers for the questions:
2002: Worse than the Jets (lose)
2003: Better than Chiefs (win)
2003: Better than Broncos (win)
2003: Worse than Patriots (lose)
2004: Better than Broncos (win)
2004: Better than the Patriots (Lose)
2005: Better than the Steelers (Lose)
2006: Better than the Chiefs (win)
2006: Worse than the Ravens (win)
2006: Better than the Patriots (win)
2006: Better than the Bears (win)
2007: Better than the Chargers (lose)
2008: Better than the Chargers (lose)
So out of their 6 losses in the past 6 years, 2 of them came against (in my opinion) better teams. 4 came against (in my opinion) inferior teams.
Their 7 wins came against a better team (the ravens, and this one was close, but I thought their strenght (defense) matched up a lot better against our strenght (offense) than our weakness (defense) matched up against their weakness (offense) only 1 time and 6 times the Colts won games they should have won.
So since 2002, they’ve been the better team, imo, 10 times, and are 6-4, with 2 of those losses coming in probably the best homefield advantage had by any team in the NFL those years.
They’ve been the worse team 7 times and are 1-6. They lose the games they should, and don’t have the same batting % in games they should win. I’m not going by vegas or anything, either, or even regular season records. In games I thought the Colts were the better team i 1) Thought they had the better roster 2) thought they had some matchup to exploit against the team (In 2004, for example, I tohught they would be able to exploit the Patriots battered secondary.)
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by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I think a lot of the critics are missing is that the Super Bowl is ALWAYS the exception, not the rule.
7-6 is a good playoff record. Almost all coaches other than Walsh and Belichick are maybe a game or two over .500 or much worse in the playoffs. As are most QBs. Why? Because the playoffs are hard. They have the best teams. Brady, Aikman, and Montana (and Belichick and Walsh) are the exceptions. And they had exceptional teams.
There is no evidence that the 2008 Colts were anything other than mediocre to decent, with an exceptional QB and great coaching and management. Admittedly, I’m a pessimist, but even with a brighter outlook, you can’t say they were exceptional. They played well enough to win, the other team played just as well, and punts and holdings made the difference. As Polian pointed out, one little thing being different (Addai hitting a hole, or I’d add Clark not being held), and the Colts might be Super Bowl favorites right now.
(As for your questions. 05: yes, 07: yes, but it was a mistake, 08: no, 03,04: no, 03b: yes, no (but wasn’t paying as much attention then), 04: yes, 06: yes, yes, yes, yes (Bears). Not sure what you’re looking to prove there – the only losses to inferior teams came last year and 05 if you ask me.)
I actually agree with BBS in that I think you two are simply interpreting the word “faith” a bit differently and arguing semantics. I don’t see you advocating major change or losing faith or being retarded, so I’m not really even sure why the debate rages on. Was something Bill said in the radio show that objectionable to you? If so, what?
by willyduer on Jan 9, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually agree with BBS in that I think you two are simply interpreting the word "faith" a bit differently and arguing semantics. I don’t see you advocating major change or losing faith or being retarded, so I’m not really even sure why the debate rages on. Was something Bill said in the radio show that objectionable to you? If so, what?
Nothing Bill said offends me. I take offense to being called a fair weather fan, dellusional, etc, etc, etc… (No need to rehash every insult BBS has used towards someone that disagrees with him on this topic) just because I think the Colts need some fixing. This is a Colts message board. I suppose if BBS wants to run the site this way, its his choice, its just a really bad one, imo. There are a lot of real, true, honest to God, good Colts’ fans out there that disagree with his stance and way of approaching things, why scare them off?
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by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys
Seriously need to pick a room to argue in. I’m at work so I was only looking at the other one.
I’ll just do something quick.
I don’t blame people for saying they’re losing faith. Faith doesn’t mean that they don’t want to continue to watch the Colts in my opinion. You’ll always have your share of fairweather fans, but someone that calls into a Bill Polian show, probably waited on hold for a little bit, probably listens to the show regularly and is probably a pretty big fan. What I’m assuming this person meant, granted, I didn’t listen to the radio broadcast I only read the transcript, is that, although he loves his team and will always root for them but he isn’t confident that even if they go 12-4 they won’t be knocked out in the first round.
Granted, we’re only 2 years removed from the Super Bowl, but seriously, did you honestly sit there and watch Manning play and go “Oh, don’t worry about him, our defense is totally going to turn it around and Peyton can have a terrible postseason while our vaunted rush D takes on the best rushing teams of the entire season.” Now I watched the games and Peyton definitely played better than he was given credit for. But alot of people don’t hook themselves up to NFL IVs and take Colts vitamins in the morning.
But this is what happened and has caused some stress in the fanbase. Our offense was dominant, for years the only thing keeping us from the Super Bowl was the defense. Then when our defense gets better, and lays the hammer down on the best rushing teams in the league and the Pats, everyone’s all like “Yeay! Here we come rings! Nobody’s going to tell us Brady’s better than Manning now!” Well, some people noticed what happened while everyone was jubilant and celebrating. Our offense didn’t look that dominant. It just didn’t. It went up and down the field, but no more did we just have to be able to contain teams with our defense in the playoffs, but our defense had to win us some games. That’s something we weren’t used to. And in the two playoff trips since, our defense has actually been pretty solid but again, our offense isn’t capitalizing. Did alot of things go wrong and make it look way worse than what actually happened? Of course, to think otherwise is silly. But that was the final outcome. If we had lost because we scored 42 points but our defense gave up 51, people would accept that more than the low scoring games we’ve had recently. I don’t agree with them, I think luck is one of the best players on the field. And I understand there has to be something with the offense. Granted even the teams with poor defenses we’re facing in the playoffs are basically division rivals now. NE, SD have been our most consistent opponents. And the sports heads are always sitting there going “blah blah blah, doesn’t matter if a team is 10-0 going against a division rival that’s 0-10, they know each other yadda yadda”. Well, yeah, it’s true. And since the Colts have been in the postseason for 7 years, the teams that string together good playoff years we have to face multiple times just like a division rival. Luck, familiarity, and numerous other factors all come in to play.
Anyway, leave me alone, I’m working. I’ll be back later.
by monstersbox on Jan 9, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why It Matters
You know why we’re talking about this? New England. That’s why. That’s really the only reason we’re concerned. Because New England has 3 titles. Otherwise the disappointment wouldn’t mean as much because we could all say, yeah… we’ve had some hard times in the playoffs, but who’s won more Super Bowls than us in the last 10 years? If New England only had 1 trophy we could boast about our regular season record and our MVP. But instead we’re caught in the inevitable trophy envy game and we constantly dog on the team if it doesn’t go all the way.
by EddieDean on Jan 9, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Met Polian Saturday
Just a quick personal note: I was at the game (I live in LA) Saturday with a friend and former NFL player who is great friends with Howard Mudd. Spent 2 hours pregame on the Colts bench and Polian came over to say hello to my friend and I and was very nice to both of us. Posed for pictures, answered questions and told some funny stories for about 15 minutes. I am 6-5 and asked him if Peyton was a legit 6-5 or an “NFL 6-5.” He laughed and assured me he was legit.
This has little to do with the topic at hand, but just wanted to say I found him approachable and accessible (as was everyone I met from the Colts). At least made it that much more enjoyable to root for them (sometimes you meet people in real life who are total dicks vs. what they seem in public from afar, not the case with the Colts people I met Satursday).
by JTBLA on Jan 9, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I always felt like the hate for Polian is totally misguided.
There are some people who are dicks to be dicks, and there are some people that are dicks for a purpose. I can’t imagine that a fan of any other team that was able to take off their hate glasses for 2 seconds and just listen to uncle bill speak wouldn’t want someone LIKE him as their GM. He cares about his players and then fans. He understands its his job to put a product out there that the fans will enjoy. When he’s a jerk, he’s trying to protect the people he cares about. If any of you follow hockey, he reminds me a lot of Brian Burke, seems like a gruff, grumpy guy, but its only because he’s doing everything he can to protect his players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the thing – those people won’t take those glasses off. It’s not important what they think. Logic and reason won’t convince them otherwise (nor will pointing out how much behind the scenes shit other teams execs pull that pisses off the entire league but goes unpublicized, as much fun as it is to think about). I can understand why they don’t like him – they’re exposed only to the negative in the press – and that’s OK. Because what they think doesn’t matter one bit. The people in the team office and league office are the ones whose opinions matter, and they all have high opinions of the man.
by willyduer on Jan 9, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a great experience for you.
I am a little envious.
Funny about the legit 6’5" vs “NFL 6’5” I read a quote from Cooper Manning over the summer. He was asked “what do Peyton and Eli have in common?” He said something to the effect of: well they’re both 6’4", they both love their teamates and quaterback is the only position either one of them can play. Since then, I’ve wondered about the 6’5" thing.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Found the link
The article is a little long but I thought worth the read.
Here’s the quote:
At first, the similarities seem shallow. “What do Peyton and Eli have in common?” older brother Cooper Manning asks with a slight chuckle. “Well, they’re both 6’4”, 230-pounders. Both could never play any position besides quarterback. They love their teammates. They’re jocks. That’s about it."
and the Link
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that article
Good read. I like how it showed that Peyton IS human and that it’s not a front when he speaks to fans. He truly seems to be a nice person. I hate that I missed that segment on ESPN NFL Countdown where he hand writes letters to retired NFL players that he played against and to told them how he appreciated playing agaisnt them and wished them a happy retirement. I’m so sick of the media portraying Favre as such a nice guy and always talking about how talkative and open he is during interviews, it’s sickening. Those idiots just love Favre because he wasn’t a star in college and is a legend in the NFL unlike Peyton who has succeeded at every level of football: high school, college, and the NFL.
by KMR24 on Jan 9, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Favre has a problem. What does he do? Instead of keeping it “in the locker room” he goes on a national news program to whine. If that’s “openness” then I can do without it.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My money in on 6'5"
I know several people in the 6’2-6’4 range, and while I look up to them, I don’t feel like they’re giants or anything. The first thing I noticed about Peyton, even before noticing it was him, was that he was shockingly tall. The poster of him and Marvin after their 86th TD is pretty telling too. It looks like he’s almost a foot taller.
by willyduer on Jan 9, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He does seem 6-5
Peyton did look as tall as me, but I was surprised his big Mike Scifres is (6-2 and 235). I was standing right by him at warmups and had I known he was going to be such a big factor, I would have “accidentally” fallen on his leg.
As for Peyton, trust me not everything I heard was positive about some players/coaches but everyone was unanimous about how great a person Peyton is; it seemed genuine and not some spin. Friend of mine shoots jocks for promos out in LA and said every athlete comes with a posse … except Peyton, who came by himself and went out of his way to interact with the people at the shoot. I like rooting for such players.
by JTBLA on Jan 9, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's good to know
He’s a great quarterback and person.
by KMR24 on Jan 9, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said this somewhere else too… I applaud Polian for his ability to bite his tongue and sit patiently while a) callers babble and b) callers ask dumb questions. For a man with a noted temper and his intelligence, it’s amazing that he is able to stay calm and complimentary to even the dumbest fans. (Now – this is absolutely a necessary behavior – but as an impatient person myself I can appreciate the difficulty.) Not only is he patient, but he can go of on tangents, tell stories, give examples, and never lose track of the original questions. he always comes back and wraps it up nicely. I actually listened to the show instead of just reading the recap this week and there is some heavy editing on the questions. Some were real head-shakers. Good for him for staying levelheaded and encouraging through it all. I especially liked how he kept coming back to agree with them – nobody is more frustrated than he is, he’s going to work to make it better, optimistic about 09, etc.
I agree that the show is a great thing to have. I have a hard time believing that anyone without a prior bias could listen to that radio show and not come away impressed with the man and the organization.
by willyduer on Jan 9, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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