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Colts fans need to please gain some friggin perspective before BigBlueShoe goes postal

From Greenfield Daily Reporter writer Sam Jackson:

Only in the mind of the modern sports fan can a team that is still vital and only two years removed from a championship need to change gears. That’s the problem with the flood of instant, nationwide sports coverage. We’re all so inundated with the Yankees, Patriots, North Carolinas, Dukes or anyone from a Bowl Championship Series conference that fans everywhere expect a dynasty. Why be happy with one championship if you have the talent to win several?

Fail to do so and you’re labeled a "choker." Ask Dungy and Peyton Manning about that.

A ridiculous headline on the Deadspin, one of the most popular of the litany of sports blogs, asked the question Sunday, "Is Peyton Manning still a choker?"

The author, Dashiell Bennett, put the loss to the Charges squarely on Manning, who he said was "merely good" against San Diego (25-of-42, 310 yards, TD). No matter that Manning didn’t even get the ball in overtime.

"He won the big one once," the post read, "and has promptly gone back to losing them. So has anything really changed?"

A minor point here: If you had to win the big one more than once to shed the choker label, wouldn’t it be called the "big many?"

Let's first of all applaud Sam for a great article. Second, he should make a habit of not ever quoting Dashiell Bennett at Deadspin. I like Deadspin. I think AJ has done a great job since taking over for Will. But Dashiell Bennett is a complete schmuck, and the next competent comment he makes about football will be his first. As far as Deadspin commenters go, if raving stupidity had a Mecca, it's the Deadspin comments section.

Third, as we have long said, people can oftentimes be very stubbornly stupid. Certain people simply can't let go of the always false myth that "Peyton Manning can't win." And like all hacks who subscribe to this nonsense, whenever Peyton and the Colts prove them wrong, they move the goal posts. Now, in order for Peyton to prove he isn't a "choker" again, he has to win another Super Bowl.

Huh?

I look at sports fans, and football fans in particular, in two factions: Those that have brains (like us), and those that are clueless idiots (like Deadspin commentators). Guess which faction the Manning haters fall into. If you actually believe Peyton Manning is a choker in the playoffs, you need to seek professional help. You are so completely separated from reality that is almost makes me want to cry for you. You're like those Nazis in Hitler's bunker in April 1945, still clinging to the desperate hope that Der Fuhrer will save the Fatherland despite the fact that Russian soldiers are drinking schnapps and dancing on your roof.

Yes, I just compared Manning Haters to Nazis. Both are dumb, fanatical, and spew nothing but hate. They also like lederhosen and have only one testicle.

And for all you Colts fans out there, you really need to stop listening to the Colin Cowherds, Jason Whitlocks, and Bob Kravitzs of this world. All three think Peyton is a playoff choker, which means all three are frantically stupid. You simply cannot let yourself get worked up when these jokers spew their hate. If you want a good defense against it, make fun of them. I mean, Colin Cowherd is a skinny bitch who steals content from bloggers, Jason Whitlock is a fat bastard who thinks Jeff George was a great QB, and Bob Kravitz is the laughing stock of Indy local media. At what point did the opinions of these silly schmucks become relevant? Seriously, if three MVPs, a Super Bowl ring, and a Super Bowl MVP are not enough to convince certain people that Peyton Manning is one of the best QBs ever, then nothing will ever appease them. Nothing!

Thus, they simply must be ignored and, if possible, made fun of.

And for any Colts fans screaming that "change" is needed, sorry but you need to be ignored too. No offense, but if you are mad about six seasons of 12 wins, a Super Bowl, a new stadium, three NFL MVPs for your QB, and an 7-6 playoff record since Tony Dungy arrived (0-2 prior) then you are never going to be satisfied and you need to get off the bandwagon. Being frustrated about losing to the Chargers for the second year is natural, and expected. But you have to let that go, dust yourself off, and move forward. I had a blogger friend ask me the other night if the Colts had a down year in 2008. The answer is yes, but look at the facts: 12 wins, no division title, a playoff birth, and a MVP award for our QB.

That's a "down" year for Indy.

Give that year to 30 other NFL teams and they'd throw a parade. The only exceptions are New England and Pittsburgh (both considered our rivals, not our betters). Again, as Sam states, only the modern sports fan would be pissed at a team like the Colts right now. I love sports, but there are a lot of modern sports fans who are very, very stupid. They are wrapped up in their own little reality where only multiple Super Bowls will make them feel complete. We call these people losers.

So please, gain some friggin' perspective. I do not want our fanbase to develop into the most fickle in pro sports, but I see us headed down that road. I see us headed down the road of the "modern sports fan." We have people actually mad about the direction this franchise is going in. I have no understanding for the mindset of such people, and the best reason I can come to for how they think is to just say they are idiots who lack perspective. There is simply no other rational way to explain their line of thinking. None.

Sorry if this comes off as harsh, but I'm sick of the BS. I'm sick of the whining. I am proud of how this team fought in 2008 despite the tremendous obstacles, and if others out there are mad or disappointed that this team didn't win another Super Bowl in 2008, they need to step back and chill for a bit. If they can't do that, they need to stop rooting for an NFL team. This is life as an NFL fan folks, and the Colts are as good as it gets. If you cannot be satisfied by what they have accomplished, here's the door. By all means, let it hit you on the way out, because you need a good smack upside the head.

For the majority of you who are sane and rational, Go Colts!

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Your post is dripping with irony

You want people to be rational, you want perspective, you want people to be sane… read some the shit you wrote, dude. (PS – that might be an insult to shit, I’m not sure) I agree that Manning isn’t a choker, but your inability to accept that someone can have an opinion different from yours just shows youth and immaturity (i’m hoping thats all it shows).

No one is really even whining, other than you.

So yes, please bring up the nazis, please bring up other fanbases which you have I’m almost sure, no idea how they act outside of a blog you might read on SB nation, please kneejerk and tell people that don’t just blindly drink the kool-aid to cheer for another team.

And at the same time you’re doing all of this, tell others to be calm, rational, sane, and to have perspective.

THUMBS UP.

Go postal.

On yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This post

Is not directed at you, Nideak.

SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue. Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by BigBlueShoe on Jan 9, 2009 3:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it doesn't

matter who its directed at.

Nazis?

Seriously man, calm down. Fans are allowed to disagree with you. No one is as bad as the nazis. Trust me. No one related to sports should ever be compared to nazis. I might go overboard in busting your balls, but I’m saying this completely and utterly on the level with you: That was really dumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 3:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for your opinion

You’re wrong and delusional if you think this franchise is going in the wrong direction. Disagree if you want. That’s fine. I’m sure your argument that the sky is red and water isn’t wet are equally stirring and interesting. But, like those arguments, your opinions about the Colts are not based in reality, and I think you are a fickle fan who will never be satisfied.

And yes, Nazis can indeed be funny, and used in sports. And like the crazed Nazi Pats fans in that video, you lack perspective and need to get a grip.

SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue. Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by BigBlueShoe on Jan 9, 2009 3:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That isn't his point

Nideak’s point is, if you want to take the high road, don’t flip out on the people that are dumb. It’s a much stronger point to calmly state facts and not use offensive comments in an argument. He’s not saying anything about the team. I’ve actually seen support from other fan bases more after the “Choking” articles than I thought possible.

Whenever I get into a blog argument, I just like to make the guy look dumb. Most of the time I use their own words against them and outresearch them. Based of course on my ability to manipulate people through words and so many stats I look awesome. But I digress.

I’m assuming Nideak’s point is that, just like myself when I first go to sites, if I see a rant on the main page then I’m more than likely going to think “uh…yeah, not this site. doesn’t seem like an intellectual site with a large amount of reasonable discussion and objectionable thoughts. Sounds kind of like a bunch of homers.”

I’m not saying I don’t agree with you, but stuff like that is only going to have people coming over from MCM and other annoying places throwing out rants. Then me and Nideak are going to have to spend time calling them dumb in elaborate ways.

by monstersbox on Jan 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was almost tempted to think you're joking, but

I doubt it.

I believe that this particular franchise, with this particular roster is beyond regular season records. They have the best QB in the game. They have, supposedly, a hall of fame coach. They have one of, if not the highest, paid players at the following positions: safety, tight end, defensive end, QB. They have first round talent at every skilled position on the roster. They have, under this current administration, 7 years to acquire talent specific to a defense that Tony Dungy “perfected”.

I do not, will not, have not said I expect a super bowl championship or even berth every year. I do, however, expect more than a one and done in 3 out of 4 years. This is a team I think we would all agree does not play down to the level of their competition in the regular season. Rarely do you see a bad team play the Colts and make a game of it. Rarely do you see the team goof around, make costly mistakes, take plays off and allow the other team to stick around. What you do see, however, is this team fail to raise their level of play on a consistent basis in the playoffs. Do you argue this point? I think I know the answer (you do).

Since 2002 (i made this post in another thread), I’ve felt the Colts were better than their opponent 10 times. They won 6 of those games. So you think I’m being unreasonable to expect my team to have a better than 60% record against teams they are better than?

Everyone saying ‘well this happened in the past, the colts won a super bowl!!!’ etc… as justification for the present and future are barking up the wrong tree. The past has no bearing on the future. Winning 1 super bowl doesn’t mean you’ll win 2. (and conversely, continuing to be one and done doesn’t mean that you’ll be one and done next year, either). However, this team has had far more playoff failure (and I’m not referring to losing on the road to the higher seeded patriots twice. They had the better record, they were at home) than it has had success. I’m not talking about winning the super bowl, but they were better than the 8-8 chargers, who had injuries as well. They were better than the chargers last year, and couldn’t beat Billy Volek. They were better than the Steelers (and I believe, other than a domestic dispute, they were healthy).

The Colts Locker has a sign that says: No Excuses. No Explanation.

If its good enough for their players, its good enough for their fans. There are no excuses, there are no explanations, when you lose, its not because of injuries, its not because of officiating (even though I happen to think that was a significant contributor to this lose), in their minds its for no other reason than themselves.

I just read ptbs post, and I have to just pull my hair out. What does the Colts’ franchise have to do with the Lions? Why do people who think there is no wrong with this team continue to bring up the lions. Do I only have two choices? Either root for a team that is a continual loser or root for a team that has had great regular season success and has, many times, come up short in the playoffs?

Its not that black and white, seriously. Its not, ‘im glad we’re not the lions!‘. I don’t cheer for the lions, I cheer for the Colts, and saying I’m glad we’re n ot the lions is just a cop out. Its a way of settling. I dont settle in my personal life, why would I settle in my entertainment life? Seriously, why?

Again, its not about a super bowl every year, but it is about living up to your skill level, your abilities.. .when you have the best QB in the league (this boards consenus) and one of the best defenses in the NFL (according to their GM) DO SOMETHING with it. Stop telling me its raining while you’re pissing on my league.

This team has spent a ton of money on DEs, WRs/TEs, and QB. Thats nice. It really is. But I’d trade away all the offensive pieces except Manning for the #1 OL in football. Trust me, this team would look a whole lot scarier if they could run the ball when they needed to. Manning wouldn’t need 4 first round targets to throw to if he had a pocket most of the time. He would have separation from the play actions pass, which isn’t there.

You’re the one thats dellusional, BSB. You’re the one that keeps pounding on people that this team is okay. Proclaiming, rather in your face, that Addai is great after the Houston game.

You had two ways to go with this. You could have had conversations, back and forths, discussions about the team. It could have been a give and take. Or you could be in your face, talking about going postal and referring to people that don’t agree with you as nazis (the death of millions of people should never be brought up when talking about sports, you pompous ass). You chose the latter.

Here’s what I’m going to do: I’m going to continue to be realistic about the Colts. I’m going to continue to watch them every sunday. I’ll continue to watch the draft and hope that they improve their team as best they can. I’ll continue to play them in Franchise Mode on Madden. I’ll continue to shove my love for them down my 3 and 1 year olds throats and force them to wear blue and white sweat suits in the snow. I’ll continue to drive my wife crazy with talk of 2-deep shells and option routes and why, most of the time, on 3rd and 1, your team needs to be able to unzip its pants, whip out its big dick, and say, ‘were going to run the ball down your throat, and if you don’t like it, take a seat, nancy’. And I’ll continue to love and cheer for them while being able to say that they need to tweak some things. Not TNT it. Not BLOWED It up. Just fix it before the greatest QB ever retires with only one trip to the SB to show for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 4:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does dot mean you agree with me? If so, thats a bit scary.. :P

Here’s some more perspective that will hopefully explain my position more (but I’m going to be talking about a team that won 3 super bowls and of course everyone will just say they cheated you cant expect 3 super bowls they arent the lions etc…). I’m not making this point to talk about Super Bowls, just teams. I’ve watched a lot of the NE play off games, probably not all, but a majority since tom brady arrived. Not once has there been a time when Tom Brady won the game all by himself. I’m not just referring to the 2 yard dump off with 5.2 miles after the catch. The defense that got him enough attempts, usually, special teams in the return game and the kicking game. The usually had complete team efforts (i guess the super bowl against the panthers would be the closest thing to him putting them on his shoulders). This isn’t a knock against Tom Brady, just saying that the Colts expect so much from Manning.

I understand with and agree with the point that Brady was a 6th round pick that could develop and come along on a much better team. But Manning has been around since 98, they’ve had 10 years to go from that crappy ass team with the 1st overall pick to a complete team. The year the Colts won the super bowl? Complete team effort. Great games from AV. Great games from the defense. Great games from Rhodes and Addai. Everyone made a contribution. It was a total team effort. Aside from maybe one of the NE games, have you ever seen a game where you j ust said, ‘gosh, that loss is all mannings fault?’ I’m not talkin about being a Manning apologist, either, I’m just sayin 17, 18, 19, 20 games a year, there is one Colts player that brings it every play no matter what, and thats Manning.

If he doesn’t have a running game, if he doesn’t have a defense that can get off the field on third down, and if he doesn’t have a special teams unit that can occassionally tilt the field for him and against the other team, he can’t win. This isn’t a knock against Manning, its always been that way. Depite what BSPN will tell you, or CHFF, or WEEI, or anyone else, no QB has ever single handedly won a super bowl. No one player has ever willed his team to win. Manning has had some awesome offensive performances only to see the defense crap them away. He can’t control fumbles or defensive stops or blocking.

This is one of the reasons why maybe the NFL MVP award should be abolished (after Manning wins his 4th and removes Favre from the record books). Football is the one sport that is a total team game. And right now, the Colts have a lot of good individuals in a lot of places, but they truly need to fix their OL and their rush defense situations. I don’t know if the rush defense is a DT thing or a LB thing. Its one or the other, but I’m not smart enough to know. What I do know is that LB will never be a point of emphasis on this team. They will continue to bring in late round players to fill in, watch them put up nice numbers and see them walk for a big contract in 2-3 years only to see that they really weren’t that good.

I have a feeling I’ve typed like 62 paragraphs and I’m just rambling. The point is I want them to improve the team, and while I know that they have the greatest QB i’ve ever seen play, he can’t do it alone. And it would, in my mind, be the saddest sports story of all time if someone of his caliber only got to the big big big one only once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 5:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So basically the change you want is

better players who are able to get this team back to the promise land like ’06, not a whole new group of coaches and management or a new system?

by KMR24 on Jan 9, 2009 5:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think

in any post that I’ve said there need to be whole sale changes. I think there needs to be a slight change of philospohy from the FO, though. The run and gun Colts from the early 2000s did exactly what they were intended to do: They got a bunch of basketball fans into the seats at the RCA dome. Now you’ve got your revenue stream and your superstar QB isn’t on the decline, but he’ll be on the decline sooner rather than later, at this point, and its time to become sort of like the the Cowboys with Aikman and the Broncos with Elway: Teams that can pound the ball along with a QB that can make you pay if you want to take that run away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 6:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with you on that point

Manning is great and after 10 years of watching him play, its safe to assume that he isn’t a choker and is asked to do too much by himself. That can only be done so many times, that eventually the rest of the team has to step up. You have to remember though that this year was more than just Manning (though he gets the largest chunk of credit). There are 2 DE’s that accompanied Manning in his efforts to get this team back to the promise land and those guys are Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney.

I believe that everything is in place to make a superbowl run in 2009 and beyond. The only things that have really killed us the last two years have been injuries. I know its cliche and people dont like to use that as an excuse, but you have to face the facts. Last year Freeney went down, Mathis and Brock were nicked, and the offensive line began what happened all throughout this season, and thats the constant revolving door at RG and RT.

This year was no different, but only pass rush changed to rush defense. At the beginning of training camp, everything is there, by December and January we are always missing a vital part to winning a championship. I feel that this isn’t a detriment to the FO or Coaching staff, but more so on the training and staff and not properly conditioning our players to reduce the mass number of injuries the Colts have suffered the last two years (including this one)

by metal_militia on Jan 9, 2009 5:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I liked this write-up.
I am proud of how this team fought in 2008 despite the tremendous obstacles

And, I couldn’t agree more. Thank goodness we don’t have the Lions to root for. How depressing would that be?

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So.... uh....

Anyone else interested in talking about free agency, the draft, and what can be done to make this team even better for ’09? Rather than beat each other up over the past and call each other stupid names?

Just asking.

by LovinBlue on Jan 9, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah.

Now that would be refreshing! :)

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep, I wont comment on any other stupid shit like this

Colts fans here are as rational as it gets. P.S. I would love to pick up T.J. Hoesyourmama in F.A.

by colts9318rock on Jan 9, 2009 4:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TJ

Hoesyourmama – classic.

I’m betting ALOT of teams will want him, making him WAY too expensive for our draft-based team.

We do need a deep threat, tho. If Marv won’t be there. Reggie had always been good deep, but I think that was when they were double-covering Marv. could be wrong tho.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 4:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He looked good last night.

I remembered his name because it’s been thrown around here for a few days. Yeah, I like him.

I still want a DT in the first round, tho. Think Harvin will last until the 3rd?

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 4:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

Did you read the thing I put up in the 2008-2009 thread? I know I had a long one somewhere about him. If he actually falls to us, and I’m not sure he does after that performance, the Giants or Titans will probably take him. But I think the demand for DT is low and if Jerry and Marks are going we can still get a top 5 DT in the 2nd.

by monstersbox on Jan 9, 2009 5:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm at work ;)

I don’t have time to read your novels. ;D

What you say make sense, though. spanks.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jan 9, 2009 5:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing

I can only read so much during my lunch at work.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Jan 9, 2009 7:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Besides

His last name rhymes with Marvin. Tell me how that isn’t destiny?

by monstersbox on Jan 9, 2009 4:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup, arguing is irrelevant

Btw, Housh would be good for the team, but we don’t have the funds to get him. Just give me a good DT and I will scream naked in the streets THANK GOD!

by Taskmaster on Jan 9, 2009 4:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you, peytonsthebest and LovinBlue

for being sensible and rational fans who are able to get over the loss and look forward to the next season.

by KMR24 on Jan 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would love to see in 2010 (the capless year)

Polian goes all out and gets this team some amazing talent. If this offseason were uncapped, it would be great to see him sign Haynesworth and Houshmandzadeh. I wouldn’t mind an uncapped league. I never liked salary caps. All NFL owners are extremely rich. It would just make it a more interesting league where people could spend their money however they want to.

by Colts Homer on Jan 9, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats the one good thing about the luke..

the Colts may have lost their incredible home field advantage when the RCA dome got blown up, but hopefully the revenue from the luke will allow irsay to remain competitive in a capless NFL. Having a great scouting staff and draft team helps a lot, too, since we’ve already seen them field competitive defenses full of rookies, 1st and 2nd year players. I think the Colts would fair much better in a capless NFL than the bengals, jaguars, saints, vikings, etc… because those teams will no longer be forced to spend to a floor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Jan 9, 2009 4:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, an uncapped year would hurt teams that win....

The Top-8 teams would be restricted in the amount of money they spend. While complete details haven’t been completely discussed, there is language that would restrict the Top-8 teams from the previous season from signing FA’s unless they lose a free agent to deal that is similar…

Meaning, a team wouldn’t be able to sign FA #1 to a 5 year/20 mill contract unless they lost their own FA to a similar deal….

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by John Bena (aka TheSportsGuru) on Jan 9, 2009 5:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty hard to argue that one and done

4 times in 7 trips to the playoffs is not choking.

Your nazi argument makes you sound even more bitter and pathetic than usual (quite an accomplishment BBS)

by BeansCarter on Jan 10, 2009 5:11 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

correction...

4 out of 7 was actually the number of “one and dones” with Tony Dungy.

I believe that out of 9 trips to the postseason, the Colts have been “one and done” SIX times with Manning under center.

You can worship him all you want, but your stud QB is below .500 in the playoffs. Sorry if reality fails to support your arguments.

by BeansCarter on Jan 10, 2009 6:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And yet...

he has a Super Bowl on his resume.

Nice try.

by Levante on Jan 10, 2009 9:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hiya Beans. Real quick, this is something you often forget to mention in your little rants against Peyton

Good luck today.

SB Nation's Indianapolis Colts blogger at Stampede Blue. Please make an account and post a diary, add some comments, and make some noise. Accounts are free, and only require an email address.

by BigBlueShoe on Jan 10, 2009 9:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting

that ring has the same shape as the number of playoff wins Peyton has had in 6 out of 9 postseasons…

Enjoy the game today, you might learn something.

by BeansCarter on Jan 10, 2009 12:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you mean the same number of postseason wins that the Titans have had in 7 of 10 seasons

since Peyton was drafted?

Shonn Greene for Heisman
Doak Walker award winner
144 yards per game
6.2 yards per carry
08 TDs per game > 06 GPA

by shake n bake on Jan 10, 2009 1:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, I did learn somehing today, Beans.

I learned that YOU SUCK! Titans choke away the number one seed in one of the few times they actually even make the playoffs.

Thanks for the lesson!

by coltsfanawalt on Jan 11, 2009 12:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only morons...

think that wins and losses are the best way to measure a QB.

BBS is right, people are crazy.

18to88.com

by deshawn zombie on Jan 10, 2009 8:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only morons...

Sadly, there are a LOT out there…. and they seem to be loud. And the very conveniently ignore, or don’t understand, context.

Because you see, if Vandy hadn’t shanked one in OT in 2001 against Miami, If Eddie George hadn’t broken a 65-yarder in the 4th quarter in 2000, if Nick Harper’s wife hadn’t stabbed him the night before in 2006, and if Addai had picked up a 4 yard 1st down last week, Peyton wouldn’t have “choked” in all those playoff losses. He’d suddenly be a winner. Right, Mister Beans? Four of those wins, for those four reasons would make him a winner, right?

Bobman

by Bobman on Jan 11, 2009 12:15 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if Charles Smith could make a layup,

Patrick Ewing and Allan Houston didn’t leave the bench during Game 5 of the 1997 Heat series, Michael Jordan stayed retired the first time, and Reggie Miller had never been born, my Knicks would’ve won 3-4 NBA Championships instead of zero. what’s your point?

i do agree with Deshawn though. judging Peyton solely on his postseason record is foolish. outside of Bradshaw (who I don’t think anyone will argue was actually better than Manning), Brady, and Montana, most of the elite all-time QBs have been around .500 in their playoff careers. plus, we’re in the middle of his prime years. the one-and-dones are frustrating, but let’s analyze the entire body of work after his career is over. i still feel like at least one more SB is on the way.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jan 11, 2009 2:01 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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