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Ignorance is bliss: Why Yahoo!'s Chris Chase and ESPN's Colts documentary are full of it

We bloggers at SB Nation do a lot of collaborative stuff with the writers at Yahoo!, in particular their NFL blog titled Shutdown Corner. While I've only had some limited interaction with the head writer at Shutdown (a fellow named MJD), I've never met and discussed anything with sometime Yahoo! blogger Chris Chase, and that's probably a good thing.

The guy sounds like a serious douche.

Now, before I move forward and systematically obliterate one of Chris Chase's recent articles for Shutdown Corner (a hate-filled, regurgitation of hypocritical nonsense that bashes Colts owner Jim Irsay for really no reason whatsoever) let me provide a little set-up.

Chris recently watched the well-produced but painfully one-sided and factually flawed ESPN documentary titled The Band That Wouldn't Die, by Baltimore naive Barry Levinson (director of Rainman, Diner, and several other films that are over a billion years old) about Baltimore Colts fans and how the "suffered" after Robert Irsay had the audacity to take the team he bought with his own hard-earned money and move it to a city where fans actually showed up and watched the games (unlike the last few seasons in Baltimore). Apparently, five minutes after watching this gigantic orgasm for the people of Baltimore, Chris thought it prudent to take a few shots at Robert Irsay's son, Jim.

Why did Chris choose to bash Jim Irsay?

Well, Jim Irsay, widely regarded by many as one of the better and classier NFL owners in today's game, just happened to be in the news this week around the time this ESPN documentary hit the tubewaves. When recently asked about whether it was good for the league to have conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh own an NFL franchise, Jimmy Irsay answered honestly: No. Jimmy's opinion was shared by several NFL players (many of whom happen to be black) who believe Limbaugh's consistently divisive comments on radio and TV about race and race relations paint him as someone not welcome in a league where a majority or the players and several of the coaches are African American.

Irsay's comments about Limbaugh were certainly nothing odd or out of the blue, but they seemed (on the surface) to hold weight. Limbaugh was later dumped a few days after they were made from the ownership group looking to buy the Rams. But, for some reason, Irsay's words seemed to really piss Yahoo!'s Chris Chase right the f*ck off.

Unfortunately for Chris, rather than articulate a well-thought counter to Irsay's opinion about Rush Limbaugh, he decided to lose his mind and write an assinnie article that, for whatever reason, pins the "sins" of Jimmy's father, Robert Irsay, on Jimmy himself. Chris suggests that because Robert Irsay lied to the people of Baltimore about moving "their" Colts to Indianapolis, this means that Jimmy Irsay should just STFU when it comes to making statements about controversial figures, like Rush Limbaugh, looking to buy NFL teams.

Yep, that argument is indeed as dumb as it looks and sounds.

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Here's what Chris wrote:

Literally five minutes after it ended I read this article on Yahoo! Sports about how Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay had come out against Rush Limbaugh's bid to join a group interested in purchasing the St. Louis Rams. The irony was delightful. Here's a guy who was part of perhaps the most contemptible ownership moment in recent NFL history -- lying to the city of Baltimore for months before taking the team, without notice, to the Midwest -- and he's going to lecture others on ethics and comportment? It was Irsay's father, Robert, who was the true villain in the story and is still a reviled man in Baltimore. But Jim, his son, also played a large role in the move.

Chris then attempts to reinforce his comments by saying the opinions expressed in them are shared by none other than Peter Schmuck (yes, that is indeed his real name), a writer at the Baltimore Sun. Since Chris is such a fan of irony, I leave it to you (our always informed readers) to sit back and chuckle at a Yahoo! writer who thinks the support of a Schmuck from Baltimore provides validation for his opinions about the Irsay family.

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 This is Peter Schmuck, who very much looks the part

 

What Chris' article demonstrates is a classic example of why one should never, EVER write an opinion piece after watching anything on ESPN, especially their original programming. Levinson's documentary was very flawed (much like ESPN's sports reporting overall) and did not present the full and complete picture as to why the Colts left Baltimore. It focuses mostly on the Colts Marching Band, and their efforts to keep the tradition of the Colts alive in Baltimore after the team left for Indy. Because of this focus, the piece presents an extremely one-sided point of view created by someone (Levinson) with close ties to Baltimore (he was born and raised there). Perhaps Levinson's time constraint (only 30 minutes) prevented him from showing the other side, but for someone like me (a big fan of documentary filmmaking) that is simply not an acceptable excuse.

For example, Levinson's use of footage showcasing the efforts of Baltimore's then-mayor, William Schaefer, does injustice to what really happened behind the scenes. Footage and interviews paint the mayor almost as a gilted lover, left at the altar by the "back-stabbing" then-colts owner Robert Irsay, a flawed and tortured man with a well documented drinking disorder. The reality is that despite Levinson's efforts to paint William Schaefer as a victim, it was Schaefer and other members in local government that pushed the whole Colts situation to the only natural conclusion it could arrive at: Team re-location. The mayor's office and the city were the one's who passed legislation giving the city of Baltimore the right to seize ownership of Irsay's team via eminent domain if Irsay attempted to move the team, even though it is within every right we Americans hold dear for Irsay to do so.

I mean seriously, you want to push an owner right out the friggin door, go ahead and threaten to use the government to take his team away from him.

The mayor and the city were also responsible for not providing a firm new stadium proposal to Irsay, who had long complained about the crumbling facilities at Memorial Stadium. In a sworn testimony before the US Senate's subcommittee in charge of the Fan Freedom and Community Protection Act, the chairman of the Maryland Stadium Authority, John Moag, Jr., said the following:

"It was the failure of our local (Baltimore) and state elected officials in Maryland to provide the Colts with a firm proposal for a new stadium that led Mr. Irsay to accept an offer from Indianapolis to play in a new dome in that city."

In order to avoid a long series of legal battles, which Irsay would have won anyway because, once again, he owns the team and not the citizens of Baltimore despite silly legislation to make it so, Robert Irsay packed up his things one night and left for Indy.

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Former Baltimore mayor William Schaefer, striking a pose

 

The next day, in order to save his political ass because he failed to stop the Colts from leaving Baltimore, Schaefer went on TV and played dumb. He talked about how he was betrayed. How he had tried everything to make this work. How he was unaware that the team was moving, despite clear signs that it was going to happen in March 1984. And, per typical Baltimoron fashion, the citizens lapped it up like the suckers they are while demonizing Robert Irsay in order to feel good about themselves.

But as bad as all that was, Chris Chase takes took it one step further in his recent article.

According to Chris, because Jim Irsay is related to Robert (huh?), and because Jim was involved in the moving process due to him working for his father at the time, he is just as guilty. Forget the fact that Jimmy was 25 years old at the time, and forget that he had next to ZERO influence over the final decisions made by Robert, to someone as simple-minded as Chris Chase, that doesn't matter.

Guilty, by association. Guilty of the crime of taking his family's property and moving it. Oh, the horror.

As someone who was raised in Indianapolis, and has a very vivid memory of the day and year the Colts moved there, my opinion is likely skewed in the other direction. While I (and most other) Indianapolis Colts fans have tremendous respect for the old Baltimore Colts players and the great teams they formed, please excuse me if my heart does not bleed for the hypocrite Baltimore Colts fans and their incompetent city leadership back in 1984. I don't fault Robert Irsay for taking a team he owned and moving it to a city with a better stadium, better facilities, and with a more cooperative city government that doesn't threaten to strip his ownership. Football is a business, and cities compete for that business because football stadiums in a cities brings in these little green things we all like to call MONEY! They help local business, create a sense of community, and improves the overall quality of city life.

Indy essentially outbid Baltimore for Robert Irsay's team. It's that simple.

And despite the emotional fluff Barry Levinson splatters all over the screen in his ESPN opinion piece (with soft piano music, old footage, and interviews with people talking about "the glory days"), for the rest of the civilized world, it is very difficult to feel any sympathy for Baltimorians because, eleven years later, they seemed perfectly happy to "steal" the Browns away from Cleveland, rename the team the Ravens, and then CONTINUE TO WHINE about losing the Colts!

Indeed, if you are a Browns fan, Levinson's op-ed likely had you seeing red as it painted former-Browns owner Art Modell as a benevolent, kind caretaker of the Baltimore Colts tradition as well as a savior to Baltimore football by doing (essentially) what Robert Irsay eleven years prior... but only this time, it was to the detriment of city of Cleveland while the beneficiary was the city of Baltimore.

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So, when I see tools like Chris Chase get emotional over stupid, factually incomplete pieces of crap like The Band That Wouldn't Let It Go, Already... er, excuse me, The Band That Wouldn't Die, and then use them to take shots at my team's well-respected owner, who has done nearly everything in his power these past two decades to make peace with these annoying and perpetually whiny fans in Baltimore, I kind of take that as an insult. If my team were the Redskins or the Cowboys, then bashing my team's owner is totally justified. Those owners are boobs, and deserve every bit of bad press they get.

But bashing Jimmy Irsay isn't justified. You pretty much have to be a douchebag of the ninth power to bash that guy by holding him accountable for the decisions made by his father 25 years ago.

Even more pathetic than Chase's original article is the follow-up he made in the article's comment section. After 80-plus comments of readers essentially calling Chase an idiot, he followed up with this gem:

As I made clear in the post, Jim Irsay isn't his father. However, all the books about the move (and the documentary) indicate that Jim played a definite role in the team's move. He didn't give the drunk press conferences or make the final decision to move the team, but he was right there for all of it.
Furthermore, even though Jim Irsay is his own man, he is part of the Irsay family that is still despised in Baltimore. And that was the point of this point. I'm not saying Irsay is a bad guy, nor am I saying Limbaugh is a bad guy. All I'm saying is that I found it ironic the somebody with such a checkered NFL past would vocally come out against another man in such a way.

Well, no Chris. You didn't make it clear Jim Irsay is not his father. Your article pretty much held Jim Irsay just as accountable as his father for the seemingly insidious crime of team re-location. And while people like Chris and his friend named Schmuck may think Jim Irsay has a "checkered NFL past," almost everyone else does not share that opinion. And no offense to Rush Limbaugh fans out there, but as crass and unsettling as the late-Robert Irsay was late in life, he was no where never the controversial figure Limbaugh is today. Maybe in a the black hole of common sense we call "Baltimore" Irsay is just as controversial, but the reality is not all of us live in such an intellectual vacuum. Robert Irsay moved a team. Rush Limbaugh has made comments that many Americans feel paints him as a racist (fairly or not).

If Chris Chase and his Schmuck friend at the Baltimore Sun can't see the difference there, both are complete f*cking morons who are better served bagging my groceries than writing for Yahoo! Sports or the Baltimore Sun, respectively.

It's reasons like these that people bashed the hell out of Chris's article, and that's also why Chris came across and an asshat in his follow-up comment. In the future, Chris should not assume that the rest of the sports world shares his opinions of the Irsay family. Most of us see the whole thing for what it was: An owner moving a team.

All the other sentimental crap is just a fascade people try and throw up in order to attract pity, which is in short supply these days for Baltimore fans and their crusaders in media.

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I loved the old Memorial Stadium!!

Crumbling or not…

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by TRDean on Oct 15, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It had great character

But crumbling is crumbling.

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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 15, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Article Blue Shoe

I couldn’t agree w/ you more…that documentary (if that’s what you want to call it) was as lobsided as the past 2 colts/ravens games. not once did they mention the city was ready to seize the team from irsay via eminent domain, which would force any owner to do what he did. if you ask me, members of an adult marching bankd are a joke, and always will be…

W. Morton

by wmorton2 on Oct 15, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

past 2 Colts/Ravens games make me smile. I thought they were all about defense?

by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Oct 15, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should have read the article

Before Chase got around to fixing all the mistakes, like claiming the Colts moved to Cleveland and Irsay Jnr was actually the owner of the Colts back then, and that they moved in 1989…

Fortunately the readers of the site called him on his mistakes so he fixed most of them. I still don’t agree with his opinion, but it least it’s factually accurate now.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please tellme you're kidding.....

right?

Hey, as a Colts fan who spans the decades and cities, I am totally in Irsay’s camp. As a kid living in NJ it hurt me to watch my team (2-3 times a year on TV when they played the Jets and maybe MNF) in an empty stadium. If I had lived wihtin 100 miles, I’d have nagged my dad’s ass raw to let me use my paper route money to buy tix and have him drive me to games. (5 years later, sitting in my Manhattan apt, I wished I could afford to take off work to watch my Pittsburgh Pirates in the playoffs live when they could not sell out their home stadium for a freakin’ playoff game!)

When the Colts moved I am not even sure I had heard of Indianapolis (kidding-I was 20), but it sure sounded like the right idea for the team/organization. Yes, the people of Balt felt loss. Understandably so, but the bitterness and blame are so misplaced. If Bill Gates decided tomorrow to move Microsoft to India (away from my now hometown of Seattle) I would be super-pissed and hold a grudge for years. My house would lose half its value, I’d probably have no job, etc. But it’s his show (more or less) and his right to do it. Assuming he had rational reasons, as Irsay did. I would gripe all day, but not expect anybody to come over to my point of view. Hey, it’s a big world out there, and market forces—if we have not seen in the past two years—do what they do. Either adapt or die. Complaining helps with neither. And making a film that is one huge complaint helps only Barry Levinson. (whose work I usually love)

Even worse, if Western WA then “stole” Apple and Oracle and Cisco from the Bay Area, how could I hold a grudge against MSFT and Bangalore when I would then be guilty of enjoying the economic boom of having new big tech companies moving in, providing jobs, boosting my home value….

They are narrow-minded hypocrites. Yes, i understand you feel loss. If you take the time to understand the entirety of the problem, you might still feel the pain, but that should be mitigated by greater knowledge of all the forces in action. If my son drowns, do I complain about the ocean for the next 40 years? What a stupid waste of time and energy. Do I then when my neighbor’s son is drowned a few years later, because “now we’re even”? That’s how Ravens fans who gripe about the Colts moving are behaving. They want it both ways—they want to enjoy the new team and still get credit for being robbed of the old team.

Any of you out there on a second marriage? Same deal—if you gripe all day and night to your #2 spouse about how shitty #1 was, I suspect #2 (and all your friends) will eventually get pretty tired of it. 25 years later? Very tired of it. It’s done, move on, okay? (Not to be wholly insensitive, I understand there are some abusive a-holes out there whose former spouses might take a llifetime to recover. I mean the garden-variety dovorce that happens every day.)

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Oct 15, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That Chase screwed up so many details

The excellent rant was aimed at him and the “Schmuck” from Baltimore.

by mgrex03 on Oct 15, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

Yeah, it was actually factually wrong before he fixed it. If you read the first 40 or so comments they point out all the things he was wrong about and later changed.

Just a hack piece of writing by someone without any clue about the situation at all, really. I’m not sure he was even paying attention during the film.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Men at Work...

a great film. Didn’t know till now that Emilio directed it.

/Looks like somebody threw away a perfectly good white boy!

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Oct 15, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

screw Steve Irsay!

who does she think she is, and why does she think she has the right to move the Los Angeles Browns to Cleveland? What a jpoke! And then, this stevie irsay has the BALLS (for a woman) to denounce pro-slavery comments? WHAT A LAUGH RIOT. SPeaking of riots, didnt this Steve Modell chick start one in los angeles one time? Come on, HOW CAN WE SUPPORT THIS TEAM WITH SUCH AN ASSHOLE OWNER

by SpazMo on Oct 15, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."

by Colts Homer on Oct 15, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of a random thought, but does anyone actually find f*ck to be less offensive than the fully spelled out version of the word? Personally I don’t find it the least bit offensive either way, but I just couldn’t imagine someone getting up in arms about the word, yet being ok with an asterisk in the middle.

by SilentRat on Oct 15, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bl0w me!

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Oct 15, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked the doc...

I thought “The Band that wouldn’t Die” was great.

It didn’t say a bad thing about Indy, and Bob Irsay really was a huge psycho drunk. Jim Irsay willingly participated in it, and I thought he came off well. The only people who didn’t come out well were Paul Tagliabue and Bob Irsay.

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by deshawn zombie on Oct 15, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't watch it

But did the doc make it seem like Jim was the GM before they moved? Because he wasn’t, but was named the GM right after the move.

He had just graduated from college 2 years earlier, so I’m not sure how Jim could have played any part in it, other than being related to his father. His bio says he was in Ticket Sales and PR in ’82 and ’83.

by mgrex03 on Oct 15, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Irsay

He did come off well in the doc, and probably the most interesting part of the doc was when Jimmy talked about his fathers’ demons: How he was a seemingly broken man after the death of his daughter in 1972, and how that death drove him to drink. But the demonization of Irsay and the seeming victimization of people like Schaefer and the local Baltimore government were incorrect. Schaefer and his cronies were as much at fault for the Colts moving as Irsay was.

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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 15, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure but...

the movie in no way blamed Jim for the move (if anything it showed how he only wound up in Indy because of a drunken order by his dad). It also gave Jim the chance to humanize his father and present a different side to him.

What mattered most to me was that the movie didn’t trash Indy (it did trash Jacksonville!) and showed how Jim Irsay was affected by the move. I think the unpleasantness surrounding them leaving Baltimore really helped form Jim, and to that extent the movie provided valuable insight.

Like, I said, I liked it, but you are right, it was silent on the emminant domain issue that brought the whole fight to a head.

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by deshawn zombie on Oct 15, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unpleasantness and Baltimore

You don’t have to be redundant to get your point across! ;-)

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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 15, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Chase

Myself, and about 100 others properly took Chris Chase to task yesterday for this craptastic piece of writing in the comment section of his blog.

It comes back to this. Why would Irsay, or any owner, prefer Limbaugh to just about any other nondescript rich guy out there? There’s not a real good business argument against Irsay’s stance.

by billp73 on Oct 15, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rush

I think the buisness reason is the same one Jordan used when he wouldn’t get in to politics “Republicans buy shoes too”. In this case it would be “Liberals like football too”.

by J_CB19 on Oct 15, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I remember correctly

Jim Irsay has even said that had he been in his father’s shoes back then, he wouldn’t have re-located the franchise, since he knew what it meant to the people who were still fans and cared to come to the stadium.

… And that is also the reason he will never re-locate from Indy.

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by gizzardfanny on Oct 15, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know this isn't about Irsay but...

I’m black and don’t think that Rush Limbaugh is a racist. I do however think that he is a highly conroversial figure who has made some very viotale comments in the past. I think he had every right to buy the Rams yet the fact that he was a polarizing figures probably meant that he wouldn’t have worked out as an NFL owner. Yet I find it interesting that NFL owners have no problem signing a player who killed dogs but don’t want to have Rush Limbaugh be an owner just because he’s made controversial statements. Anyone heard of Al Davis? He’s said and done some pretty controversial thing in his lifetime. Just not about politics or made references to gangs. That’s enough of my political rant.

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by P0RKINS2 on Oct 15, 2009 3:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Again, as the article stated, enough players and people seemed to voice displeasure privately and publicly with Limbaugh as an owner. Limbaugh’s comments, in the past, have rubbed many people the wrong, regardless of their original intent.

I personally HATE mixing politics with sports, but in order to set up the article I had to mention the Limbaugh business.

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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 15, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have to agree with that...

While I think Limbaugh is a boob, I can’t deny that he has a right to bid for a team (whether with a group or not). If he is a silent part-owner, there’s no reason why he shouldn’t be given an opportunity. On a personal level – he’s just as annoying as Michael Moore who is on the total left. But, hear no evil, see no evil.

He just signs the check. Now – if he becomes a Jerry Jones / Al Davis / Dan Snyder – type owner, just shoot him. (Not literally, of course.)

by Gwen on Oct 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for your opinion on limbaugh and i agree in the first part u say

i find it interesting i think people think he was going to be the overall owner of the team, HE WASN"T he was going to be a minority owner only just like those celeberties in miami. but porkins2 i must say vick killing dogs and somebody making statements that are contriversal and to some (racist remarks at time) are totally diffrent for one one it talking to people the other is an animal. anyway thats all i will say on the subject

by TheAngelsColts on Oct 15, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please help

Is there any place where I can just get unbiased, non-homerism colts coverage since clearly this is not the place to do it? I’ve been trying to follow this team but your commentary is making me hate the shit out of the Colts, we get it, the documentary was mostly about “poor Baltimore” but can you drop the regional inferiority complex you constantly display? Indiana blows dick, get over it, your team has fans that aren’t from that rusty piece of shit area- ANY IDEAS AT ALL where I can go for just normal non-bullshit Colts coverage? Obviously not ESPN….

by sean8686 on Oct 15, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You stay classy

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by MrNFL on Oct 15, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, what?

You came to an Indianapolis Colts blog and wonder why fans of the team and blog actually like the city of Indianapolis?

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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 15, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

…you’d think that after being a member of this blog for almost a year, he’d know what to expect.

by Addai Another Aday on Oct 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

pretty dumb huh?

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by BlueMark1821 on Oct 16, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try Bob Kravitz at Indystar.com

He may live in Indy but he seems to hate the Colts too.

by MarshallPlan on Oct 15, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta admit...

he is the most unbiased, non-homerism colts coverage out there. I would even go so far as to say he doesn’t even like the team.

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Oct 15, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, right?

Plus if you follow the colts but secretly hate us, then why wouldn’t you wanna watch ESPN?

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Oct 15, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a quick note

As a political observer, I would be remiss to not mention the fact that the two racist statements being paraded around the MSM and BSPN are completely false. They were taken from a Wikipedia page, which got them from an unsourced book that was written by a blogger with an agenda. Mr. Limbaugh has been removed from consideration as far as buying the Rams is concerned, and is now planning to sue several media outlets for slander. At any rate, while some NFL players have expressed concerns about Mr. Limbaugh’s potential ownership of the Rams, the significant majority of political donations from NFL players and coaches(Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy, for example) go to Republican candidates and PACs. To say, as some have suggested, that a conservative interested in buying an NFL team would be unwilling to draft or hire minority players due to racism is as silly as saying that a liberal buying an NFL team would draft or hire more minorities due to white guilt.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 15, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

I don’t think that NFL players are saying no because of they dislike all Republicans. They just don’t like Limbaugh that’s all. From my limited knowledge of American politics (why can’t your politicians have more sex scandals please?) the people are truly confused, which is normal.

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by rangerover76 on Oct 15, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sex Scandals?

LOL, you should read some Italian papers if you want those! ;-)

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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 15, 2009 7:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

You're missing the point

It’s not about specific comments that Rush did or didn’t make. It’s the fact that his entire career – his entire public persona – is built around turning anything and everything into a political issue. The NFL wants their product to be something that people consume to escape from politics.

Fair or not, that’s their right, because the NFL is a private organization. The NFL can exclude Rush for the same reason that the Boy Scouts can exclude gays. Yet I note with some cynicism that the Boy Scouts are just fine according to Rush but if the NFL doesn’t want him then its evidence of everything that’s wrong with America. Oh yeah, and it’s Obama’s fault. Yawn.

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by szquirrel on Oct 15, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mind meld...

you made my point right before me. Plus you did it better. I hate you. You are so never joining my exclusive club!

/i keed, i keed… no club would have me.

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Oct 15, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Socialist!

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Oct 15, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TERRORIST!

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by MrNFL on Oct 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HATER OF AMERICA!

Why don’t you move to Canada!

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Oct 15, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOW

You’re thinking like Rush.

by Addai Another Aday on Oct 15, 2009 6:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done

As I said somewhere yesterday, as an NFL owner I’d probably take the same “anti” stance with regards to Howard Stern, way on the opposite end of the poli spectrum, for about the same reasons. Too controversial. (Frankly, I like neither of them, at least their public personas, but agree with Stern more.) I don’t need an owner whose team I am playing next week to say something outlandish on-air, and then have 1,000 protestors around my stadium on Sunday.

As an owner (in my imagination) I want my games to be nice and exciting, cordial in the stands, and media-friendly. I want to make money and I want my team to win. I don’t want media headaches, bad pub, or fighting in and around my stadium. Gentlemen, there’s no fighting in here, this is the war room.

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by Bobman on Oct 15, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine then

What I want is some consistency. Fergie recently purchased a portion of one NFL franchise, and nothing was said in the media. The Black Eyed Peas have made numerous political and inflammatory statements. It’s just disheartening to see a double standard in the media. My position on this is that anybody should be able to own part of a franchise without fear that people will slander them for their political views. If Michael Moore, Al Franken and Bill Maher want to buy part of the Steelers with their hard-earned money, more power to them. As for the Obama comment, I’m not sure how blatantly injectng politics into this discussion helps matters…

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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 15, 2009 7:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

haha,

ah- Fergie would hardly be considered an ‘incendiary political figure’.

by hahasound on Oct 15, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...

Rush made the Obama comment himself, on his own radio show. I’m not even kidding.

First he credibly blames this mess on race baiters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Then he goes a step weirder and blames DeMaurice Smith for using the situation to gain leverage in negotiations over a new collective bargaining agreement (I have no idea how the hell that’s supposed to work, you’ll have to ask Rush). Then, about 2/3 down the page, it’s become an example of Obama and the Congressional Black Caucus using their political power to re-shape America. Folks, the train has arrived at Crazytown.

Again, I kid you not. That’s how the world looks through Rush’s glasses. The NFL doesn’t want that in their club, probably because they don’t want to find out if Total Batshit Loco is contagious. I can’t say as I blame them.

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by szquirrel on Oct 16, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah but isn't it entertaining?

I love me some good conspiracy theories. Balloon boy was coached! Lewinski’s blue dress was planted by the conservative new world order!

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by AJforAZ on Oct 16, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can remember a time.....

I can remember a time in the not so distant past that there were many struggles in neighborhood communities that fought the concept of certain people moving into or buying into their neighborhoods. Due to skin color, religion, or politics (professed Communist). But, they had neighborhood clubs that they paid into. I should have the right……… No crimes were committed. They were just different or thought different.

Whats the difference?

by conservredneck on Oct 16, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being black is genetics

Being a dick is a choice.

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Oct 16, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm

His comment about Donovan McNabb isn’t false. It were on ESPN and everything!

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t that comment more of a slap to the media than to McNabb? All he said about McNabb is that he didn’t think he was as great a QB as the media made him out to be.

by nmbrthry on Oct 15, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is fine

But he made it about the fact McNabb is black. Why bring that up? Why not just say, McNabb’s overrated by a lot of people in the media?

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was stating his opinion on WHY he thought the media

was overrating a McNabb. Because he was black and the media wants a minority in a largely White Caucasian position. That’s why he brought race up.

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by AJforAZ on Oct 15, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from his perspective of course

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by AJforAZ on Oct 15, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's making race the issue

Instead of McNabb’s performance (or lack thereof). That may have been Limbaugh’s opinion, but it’s not something the NFL wants to be associated with.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't talking about that comment

I was referring to the “at least the streets were safer” and the James Earl Ray comments. I’ve seen those on CNN this week.

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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 15, 2009 6:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

And just think

the Colts-Ravens game is still over 5 weeks away… so when it comes to that time, can we just point to all these stories rather than resurrect them in the blog? I’m kinda tired of it already.

There are clearly feelings and memories on both sides – good, bad or indifferent – and this is kinda like the who’s-the-better-QB argument. Nobody can win.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Oct 15, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly?

Baltimore is just butthurt because Jim Irsay turned out to be a very capable owner and built the Colts into a highly successful organization. They need Irsay to become the embodiment of evil to make themselves feel better for driving a future winner out of town.

Maybe BOTH sides could stand to just let it go. Indy doesn’t need to get so touchy when these morons spout off. Especially not when 30 other NFL cities have plenty of respect for Irsay and the Colts. Who cares about Baltimore? Let them live in their bizzaro world and move on.

Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.

by szquirrel on Oct 15, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well

I think Baltimore is butthurt because they lost their beloved football franchise because their city leaders were a bunch of dicks.

I’d be pretty butthurt if Irsay Jnr moved the team to LA tomorrow.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...

Rush seems to have no problem with private organizations excluding anyone from their memberships for whatever reason, like private golf clubs excluding women from their ranks. Well the NFL, being an exclusive, private club decided it didn’t want him for whatever reason. They didn’t say he was racist, they said he was divisive, WHICH HE IS. Either way, can we PLEASE get off the politics here or else I am going to lose it.

/LEAVE RUSH ALLLOOOONNNNEEEE!!!
//feels no pity for him
///people missing the point of Baltimore being ash-holes in the article

Go Colts!

by Marked Hoosier on Oct 15, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, it was the group of potential owners, led by Mr. Checketts, who forced Mr. Limbaugh to leave

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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 15, 2009 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

but we can all agree that The Wire is the best show ever, right?

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by psvirsky on Oct 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+10000

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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 15, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t get why there’s this animosity towards Baltimore because of this- Indianapolis I’m sure is special in its own….special way……..but there are other fans that don’t happen to be from Indianapolis or maybe were fans BEFORE 1984 of the Colts. I just would really like some place where I could get the same type analysis that goes on here without the bullshit. There is no “grand conspiracy” to savage the good and honorable name of Indianapolis, or effort to engender “colt hatred” in every corner of the country- almost everyone seems to love this team. You guys rip the shit out of Peter King when he writes anything that suggests this team isnt the second coming of Christ, but when he heaps praise on this team, like hes done for a few weeks now it goes totally unmentioned by you until the next time he dares say one slightly critical thing (I get it that he often shoots and misses on tons of key concepts-he’s still the most widely read football writer in the country)- I get you need to have the inferiority complex with the big city AFC teams, but sometimes less is really more…..

by sean8686 on Oct 15, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd prefer if he didn't favor the Colts

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by AJforAZ on Oct 15, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're at a Colts blog, one of 32 blogs centered around a specific team...

If you go to other blogs, they will also be centered around their team, run by fans of those teams…what’s hard to understand? So…um, yeah, there will be opinions that are more favorable toward their team…like the 31 other teams.

by Gwen on Oct 15, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not a troll, I read this blog all the time and am a big fan- I just have some issues I think are fair and should at least be talked about.

by sean8686 on Oct 15, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you really think you're going to get much sympathy?

“Your blog about the Colts is about the Colts too much.”

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll answer you straight-up

Colts fan since ‘68, here. This site has a lot of what might be called “soft” coverage that is rife with opinions, which, apparently you don’t share. You can pretty much self-select out of having to read it. I suggest you do before some folks start sharpening their pitchforks. (“Get your angry mob supplies here!”—name the movie that’s from!)

It also has a ton of great anlysis, and thoughful commentary. The writers and readers here don’t just swallow the Kool-Aid—just the past couple days we took the team and a liked player to task (Ed Johnson) for whatever the hell happened there. Many of us accepted the “performance” answer, many do not. There was discussion, agreements, disgreements, and then we all went home to dinner and the evening newspaper. If you prefer the analytical stuff, objective (but still generally pro-Colts because, let’s face it, they’re good) I recommend posts by shake n bake and mgrex03, among others. And yo don;t have to read the comments, either—they can go in absolutely any direction, but generally very pro-Colts….

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by Bobman on Oct 15, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

You don’t recommend me? I’m hurt…

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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 15, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

poor buttercup!

lol

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Oct 15, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have two words to say to Baltimore.....

“eminent domain”. Do you get it now? Anyone who can’t figure why the Colts had to move under cover of night is a true idiot.

by Ayrshire on Oct 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The power of eminent domain

Is pretty broad in the US, and I would say too broad, but it’s a little funny how normally we’d be morally offended at someone using secret methods to avoid the law, yet when it comes to football franchises, it’s suddenly OK…

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s hard to be offended that he avoided a law that didn’t exist yet, but had he stayed, would have robbed him of his team.

by nmbrthry on Oct 15, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm

Eminent domain is a basic power of the state, no new laws had to be passed.

Applying it to a sports team would be something new (no doubt they’d have a fun challenge in the courts over it) but given how broadly it’s been applied in the past it was entirely possible that the courts would have allowed it.

The state has a right to take your property away from you. It may not seem fair, but it’s the law.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify

Eminent domain may need legislative authorisation to be used, but it has always existed. Consider it the same as Congress’ right to declare war – any specific declaration needs Congress to pass a bill, but the right exists by itself permanently.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably

But I don’t think in general “it would take a long time to resolve the dispute” is a good reason for “I’m going somewhere I don’t have to obey your laws”.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's face it

the legal system is a total joke….it’s like the wild, wild west. I would not call it ‘using secret methods’. I’d call it protecting one’s interests, before the idiot Maryland goverment pulled it’s head out of it’s ass to scramble and make a last ditch effort to make something happen.

by Ayrshire on Oct 15, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me taking your wallet

Is protecting my interests, but that doesn’t make it legal or moral or fair.

I just find the whole thing a bit of a double standard. Dodging laws you like – criminal. Dodging laws you don’t like – fair.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 15, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You taking my wallet

and me voluntarily moving my wallet to another state is completely different.

by Ayrshire on Oct 15, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the point

You don’t get to violate the law to protect your interests. “Your interests” may involve paying as little tax as possible, for example, but it’s illegal for you to emigrate from the US to avoid paying tax.

The law > your interests.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 17, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually the U.S. Constitution assures us as citizens of our property rights, thus making your interests an easy trump card of some BS big-government scam.

by SilentRat on Oct 22, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right and anyone with any actual legal training would understand that precedent is against that concept in relation to sports franchises completely, and the Maryland bill and the lawsuit against the colts from Baltimore was turned down in federal court and denied certiorari for the supreme court as well.

by sean8686 on Oct 15, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So, just wait around and see?

 Maybe Irsay didn’t want to trust our illustrious legal system to protect him and his rights to move the team, regardless of precedent. Remember, O.J. was found not guilty. Now there’s just another example (one of millions) of our fine legal system at work. In any regard, I don’t blame an owner who is threatened with eminent domain (regardless of precedent and odds of enforcement) for getting the hell our of Dodge. By the way, nice word…..certiorari. I’m really impressed. Gee…….are you a lawyer???

by Ayrshire on Oct 15, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially in a very liberal region of the country

get the right democratic judge who is anti-NFL/big business and there goes the rights to the team that you paid millions for.

Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.

by AJforAZ on Oct 15, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BooHoo, Baltimore.

Get over it already. You have a team, and they’re pretty good. Move on, it’s been two and a half decades.

I do wish Jim Irsay would’ve not opined on this deal with Limbaugh. It will be contoversial to many Hoosiers. To paraphrase Jordan, Republicans buy Colts tickets too. As do other supporters of individual rights, regardless of political affiliation.

That documentary was a hack job move by bitter old Baltimore geezers to stir up bad blood with people who had let it die like they won’t. Pity.

I just wanna watch a football game!

by coltsfanawalt on Oct 15, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Irsay wasn't against Limbaugh being an owner because he is a Republican,

(I assume-)
he opposed it because Limbaugh is an incendiary political figure… even if Limbaugh sat back and never said anything (which is impossible), the St. Louis franchise/fans would suffer with a controversial-to-say-the-least association that would risk driving potential players/staff away.

by hahasound on Oct 15, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"even if Limbaugh sat back and never said anything (which is impossible)"

Awesome! That made me laugh. Too true.

I don’t know about the long term controversy. People would’ve moved on after it happened. There were many people who said they would never let the Vick thing die and would protest any organization that gave him a spot, yet most have let it go. Some have not I suppose.

I hate Keith Olbermann, but I still watch Sunday Night Football and listen to the commentary. I don’t think that Rush’s role in the team would’ve been a big deal. But whatever.

by coltsfanawalt on Oct 15, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Blue Shoe must be Big Jim Irsay himself

This article is a joke. Either written by Big Jim or by someone lookin to get on the Indy Taxpayer err I mean Billionaire Irsay’s team. Robert couldn’t figure out how to get Maryland taxpayers to give him a stadium at Taxpayer expense, but Big Blue err I mean Jim did. Talk about a one sided story. And Big Jim is now deciding who gets to be a minority owner.. WHAT A JOKE

by Thegoat0758 on Oct 15, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Erm

The owners of the NFL always get to decide who else gets to be owners. If you run a club, you get to make the rules.

Get a clue, dude.

by eltharion_doa on Oct 17, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick thought(s?)

Not to pick too many nits, but the documentary was an hour, not 30 minutes like Shoe said in the original post. I guess when you factor in commercials it was probably around 50 (it seems like 30 for 30 isn’t putting in as many commercials as most shows).

Also, I think Shoe’s post kind of misses the point of Levinson’s film. TBTWD (yeah, I turned it in to an acronym) isn’t about the Colts move from Baltimore to Indy. Instead, it is about what a moved franchise does to the fans it leaves behind. The film doesn’t speak to whether the Colts should or shouldn’t have moved. In fact, going into one of the last commercial breaks, Levinson talks about how franchises moving is just the way things are now. Instead, it examines abandonment through the lens of losing a football team. It then looks at how the dedication of a select few was able to play a small part in helping to bring a team back.

I thought it was really well done and a well told story. It just helps to remember that it isn’t a story about why the Colts left Baltimore, its a story about what happened after they did.

by dbaltman on Oct 15, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah I don't have a problem with the documentary

actually it was quite entertaining and I agree with your sentiments. I think the Chase article based on the documentary just drew out a distaste for the documentary by association. Lets say the documentary was the Jim Irsay of the Bob Irsay article.

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by AJforAZ on Oct 15, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too simplistic
n fact, going into one of the last commercial breaks, Levinson talks about how franchises moving is just the way things are now. Instead, it examines abandonment through the lens of losing a football team. It then looks at how the dedication of a select few was able to play a small part in helping to bring a team back.

And it is hard to feel sympathy for such people when their efforts aided in Art Modell “stealing” the Browns from Cleveland so they could be the Ravens in Baltimore.

Basically, their abandonment was “healed” when they aided someone else in abandoning THEIR city.

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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 16, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, kind of.

In the film, the fans do talk about how it felt bittersweet to get their franchise by taking it from another city. They would have been much happier to get what ended up being the Jacksonville franchise, but instead had to resort to Modell’s Browns.

I don’t think of it as simplistic at all. To me, it felt like it was showing how both situations were neither black nor white, but showed different shades of gray.

by dbaltman on Oct 16, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore: WHA!

Anybody can go to the Indianapolis Colts Wiki page and read a lock-tight, thoroughly researched and documented breakdown of what happened regarding the move. It began with Caroll Rosenbloom (Not Irsay) and the fault for the move rest 100% with the Administration officials of both Baltimore & Maryland.

(For anyone wanting to besmirch the fact that it is on Wiki; the information has been there for over a year and it is now protected by Wiki admins from changes or distortions.)

- Brian

by VaBthang4 on Oct 16, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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