Kyle Vanden Bosch fined for "Brady Rule" hit on Peyton Manning last week
Early on in a very key second quarter drive, which would eventually lead to a TD from Peyton Manning to Austin Collie, Titans defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch spun out of a Tony Ugoh block and landed at the legs of Manning after Manning had released the football. Vanden Bosch hit Manning's knee, which underwent surgery last year that forced him to miss all of the 2008 pre-season.
Flag. 15 yard penalty. First down Colts.
The Colts TD drive ended the first half of the game with the score 21-9, and it seemed to break the will of the Tennessee Titans. Yesterday, Vanden Bosch received word that he would be fined $5000 for the hit on Manning, and Titans coach Jeff Fisher, who is on the NFL Competition Committee which helped to create and craft "The Brady Rule," does not seem happy about that.
Coach Jeff Fisher, co-chairman of the competition committee, said earlier this week that the rule states roughing the passer should not be called if a player is blocked into a quarterback.
Well, from what I saw, Vanden Bosch was not blocked into Manning. He spun out of a block, fell, and landed at Manning's feet with "sufficient force", hitting Manning's knee. The hit caused some concern after the game as Manning needed treatment on the knee for soreness. Jim Caldwell said the knee was fine this past Monday.
Last year, Vanden Bosch's hit would not have been a penalty. But thanks to Fisher, Bill Polian, and the other members of the Competition Committee, it is now not only a flag, it's a fine as well. And while Fisher may think Vanden Bosch was blocked into Manning, clearly the big boys at NFL HQ saw it differently. Thus, the fine.
Again, the Vanden Bosch hit was text book "Brady Rule," which is a very poorly worded penalty that will always favor QBs. Refs will always ere on the side of caution, no matter the circumstance or situation. It simply provides way too much subjective interpretation which penalizes defensive players and protects QBs.
Sorry, but if Fisher did not know that these kinds of penalties would happen as a result of this new rule, which he helped create, then Fisher is clueless.
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Couple o' things
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Vanden Bosch hit Manning’s knee, which underwent surgery last year, forcing him to miss all of the pre-season.
I had to re-read this twice, as it made it sound like Vanden Bosch’s hit forced Manning to miss all of pre-season – lol.
2. Venden Bosch’s direct hit on Manning’s knee and lower leg seemed much worse than Terrell Suggs’ brush against Brady’s knee. He and Fisher shouldn’t have been surprised that it would be flagged and fined.
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 16, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I agree, the sentence was confusing. I changed it.
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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 16, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, on top of her comment I have another nit to pick
BBS, if this was an article for a general sports publication, the implication would be that Manning was injured last year and that the surgery was for structural reasons. (Just saying “he had surgery” about an NFL player means he was injured and needed to be put back together in some way 99% of the time. Not to belittle an infection, which can end a career if left unchecked, but it sounds worse than it was, to me at least.)
If I was reading this about a Lions QB that would by my assumption. Manning, of course, was not injured as most football followers understand the term, and the surgery was to remove some internal flaws (infected bursa sacs) as we all know. More serious than rhinoplasty, but less than ACL surgery. Actually, I think the infection was a much bigger issue than the scoping. Kind of like having pneumonia—it’s damn serious, but the illness is the thing you are recovering from, not the surgery. Damn, am I being nit-picky. it’s the former editor in me.
If I had read this on ESPN about Brady (and it was the exact same circumstances, not 12’s actual very bad injury) I’d cry BULLSHIT—you’re making him sound more heroic and battered and vulnerable than he really was, you ball-washing homers!
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by Bobman on Oct 16, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea it wasn't the same as bradys surgery but it was just as serious and in a way the same effect just less recovery time
both of them afterwards take recovery so after surgery the effects of the “surgery” are the same. there is nothing homerism about using the word surgery and every article on the matter including the espn one use that word for manning cause even though it was diffrent it is still surgery just a diffrent kind but both having to do with the nee
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 16, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I watched it
I honestly thought Ugoh did block him into Mannning. Guess that’s why I’m not a ref.
by Sanders_fan89 on Oct 16, 2009 11:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Fisher's a tool
What does he expect? Is the rule only good when it’s applied to other teams?
by MarshallPlan on Oct 16, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Oct 16, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good application of a bad rule
It was a text book penalty. I agree with Vanden Bosch though. I’m not sure how he could have avoided it.
I think it’s a stupid rule that is an overreaction to a bad break for Brady.
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by deshawn zombie on Oct 16, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"I think it’s a stupid rule that is an overreaction to a bad break for Brady."
I agree 100% with that statement DZ
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by MrNFL on Oct 16, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a fan I agree;
as a player (back in my pre-teens) I agree;
as a coach of youngsters, I don’t agree;
and as a businessman, I don’t agree.
And as much as we love the game, it is a business, folks. What would happen—financially—if Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Ben R, and… I dunno, Romo, were all IRed tomorrow? Ratings would likely erode, some ad revenues dry up, some sponsorships, endorsements, etc. It would not sink the league or the TV contract, but next time negotiations come around, the TV guys would point to this dip as a reason to bid less, which means less for owners and less for players too.
As businessmen, the owners/comp committee needs to keep earnings up (without damaging the integrity of the game.) I assume there were plenty of similar complaints in 78 when the passing game was opened up by a few changes in rules. “You’re ruining our game! You’re changing it forever!” Well, sort of; it IS different, but we all seem t like it just fine, no?
This rule, which I do not like much, is just a business decision that is probably the right one for the NFL in general.
Plus—and don’t EVER underestimate the value of this—it gives us great ammo for bashing Brady! Hell yeah! Put on the skirt, Tommy Boy, it’s time for another game. Don’t smudge your mascara, now, you’re on camera. Yee-haw!
Remember how Pats fans villified Manning because of a re-emphasis of an EXISTING RULE back in 2004 as if he lobbied for it and it was a NEW rule and it only applied to him???? (which many idiots still believe) Now is our payback time, except that this IS a new rule named for their QB. Pardon me while I have a payback-vengeance orgasm.
Sometimes life gives us these sweet gifts. It would be churlish to refuse them.
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by Bobman on Oct 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobman, you have inspired me
I’m going to light a torch and run in the streets… who’s joining me!?!? ARGH!! I want my revenge!!
Wait – nobody’s there? Oh well, guess it’s off to LA to watch Cal play in what is likely going to be their only Rose Bowl appearance this year.
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait wait wait, I know the Pac-10 winner no longer gets an auto bid to the Rose Bowl
but they usually get preference if it’s close, right?
And it surely looks like Cal has the Pac-10 wrapped up (unless you think they have a chance at an even higher game?)((Or unless the December weather up here proves to be their undoing and UW wins the league???))
I’m ticked because my in-laws have 4 great seats for all Husky home games and usually winter in ‘the desert" but this year will be up for the Cal game and my Cal alum mother-in-law usually has a Cal friend or two she’ll bring instead of me. grumble grumble. Eh, if they were out of town, my Cal alum bro-in-law would have been first in line anyway. Better be on TV. At least I got to see USC fall.
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by Bobman on Oct 17, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cal is 0-2 in the Pac-10 right now, with 6(?) games to go
definitely not anywhere near wrapped up… unless you mean we’re calling the season a wrap now LOL
my only hope is that $c and Oregon go down in flames of glory while Cal wins out
The Pac-10 winner does get preference in the Rose Bowl still (I think next year is the last year, though, then it becomes an at-large bowl), but Cal won’t see it unless something magical happens. Here’s hoping David Copperfield takes the field tomorrow in Kevin Riley’s skin…
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 17, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid rule...
but what Robert Kraft wants, Robert Kraft gets.
/still hate the patriots
//STAY AWAY FROM MANNING’S KNEES!!!
///when is that Notre Dame/USC game again? I WANNA WATCH! :D
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not till tomorrow right but
dont worry thought ND is going to lose to USC
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 16, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
boo
though I know you’re right
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 16, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont worry i
dont hold it against u that you are holding to the hope that somehow they will win lol
///i hope that it is at least worth watching and not a compete blowout
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 16, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a difference
I don’t care if Notre Dame wins… I want USC to lose, even though it doesn’t affect Pac-10 standings
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 16, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the opposite..
I don’t care of USC wins… I just want Notre Dame to lose. I am just a longtime hater, I blame it on growing up with tv out of South Bend. They were annoying in how much they cover ND. It left me with a deep seated hatred.
/i admit it, I am not normal :D
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I total respect your perspective
it’s about as normal as my deep-seated hatred of the Patriots – lol
maybe we should hope for a low-scoring tie?
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 16, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could live with that lol
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly why I hate nearly all NY area teams
even though I moved away 14 years ago.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
by Bobman on Oct 16, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what?
You hate ND because the local TV stations covered ND too much? What else would they be covering?
My dad used to feel the same way, until I went there and actually met the people who went there, beyond just football.
And we’re winning tomorrow. Just wish I could be there instead of a wedding.
by mgrex03 on Oct 16, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man u wont win USC will unless
u can convince me otherwise i will not believe it till it happens
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 16, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It feels a lot like 2005
We’ll know within the first 10 minutes whether it will be a game or not. Clausen has been great so far this year, but will be challenged by the USC defense.
A special teams TD will be very nice as well.
Keep an eye out for Golden Tate (#23) and Manti Te’o (#5 on defense). Those 2 would look great in a Colts Uniform.
by mgrex03 on Oct 16, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Golden Tate.
And what a great name for a football player.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Oct 17, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So my reason for hating them isn't good enough for you???
TOUGH. They not only covered them too much, they whined about every loss (which meant ALL OF THE TIME) and would lead off newscasts with ND news rather than, you know actual news. We aren’t talking about in their sports news they cover ND too much, it was the 5 o’clock news, 6 o’clock news, morning news, evening news. ALL THE TIME.
If ND lost so much as a chess match it would be a breaking news story. It kinda annoyed me.
Not only that, they were Bear fans. Whenever the local Fox station had a choice of showing the Colts or the Bears, they went with the Bears. Freaking pissed me off.
Anyway Weis was a gift from heaven though… I LOVED him having the worst football season for good old ND. Greatest Football Season EVER.
/true story, i was an extra in the movie Rudy. I can see myself in the film!
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver does it with the Broncos
I bet if you went to Gainesville, FL, or Athens, GA, or Austin, TX you’d see the same exact thing. That isn’t unique to South Bend. Football is a big deal in a lot of cities.
Those two years before the “Greatest Football Season EVER” were just fine though. A third BCS bowl game will be quite nice this year as well.
by mgrex03 on Oct 16, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it isn't just football...
year round coverage. Basketball, baseball, summer football practices… and whatever is happening on Notre Dame campus.
Most people would become fans, I became a hater.
Yea, ya gonna lose another bowl game this year too?
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I’m guessing it was the NBC affiliate, as they were actually owned by the University. I grew up in the area, and I never watched the news that often as a teenager, so I wouldn’t have cared either way.
I’ll let you know about the Bowl game on New Year’s Day. We won’t be playing before then.
by mgrex03 on Oct 16, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I kinda knew WNDU was owned by the university… come on give me credit.
WSBT was just as bad, as was WSJV. I got tv out of there until 2 years ago, I know the channels. ;)
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/wonders what the NDU stands for in WNDU? :D
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya loud and clear.
Try living amid 8 million mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, know-nothing fair-weather sports fans in NY who get Jets/Giants pumped into their brains daily by the numerous daily papers,TV, radio, their barbers and dentists and cabbies and doormen….. Let me expand that to about 15 million to include the burbs where I grew up.
You’d think that with so much other stuff going on, multiple teams, etc there would be a choice, but apparently you’d be wrong. All these years later, I dance a little Dogbert happy dance when the Jets lose. I know it’s irrational, but, well, bwa-ha-ha-ha!
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by Bobman on Oct 17, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Notre Dame is give us a big uspest. It could happen!
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Oct 16, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IT COULD HAPPEN!!
/but probably not with Weis coaching. :)
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Charlie Weis, but I love my Fighting Irish.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Oct 16, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stranger things have happened. Clausen is hot right now.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Oct 16, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only good thing to a ND win...
is that would mean they would have to keep Weis for the length of that awful contract. Hey can he still blame a loss on Ty Willingham?
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3:30 Eastern time.
by Addai Another Aday on Oct 16, 2009 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Go Irish!!
Hey, I have hope. It could happen.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Oct 16, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well anything is possible
/// only as possible as the colts losing to the rams :)
//lol
anyway we will see
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 16, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
egad don't say that!! ;-)
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 16, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey can the Jags lose to the Rams?
/their failure would be complete!
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Oct 16, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can hope so can't we?
Their locker room is a mess over at the Jags. I predict complete and utter failure. LOL
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Oct 16, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notre Dame
I want Sam Young in a Colt’s Uniform!!!!
by thebossuzzi on Oct 16, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid rule...stupid penalty...
Fisher is OK in my book..a good coach. He is only doing his job…backing his player. Nuff Said.
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by TRDean on Oct 16, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dumbest rule in the NFL
regarding a penalty but this was clearly the right call to make. This was a dangerous shot to Peyton’s knees, clearly. The call was right, and the fine was reasonable by the NFL in accordance with the new rule. The call on Brady last week was a mickey mouse call that just showed what a vagina Brady is. Still, it was the right call, as disgusting as that may seem. This was a lot more obvious and should not be an issue. There is a difference between not ever touching a guy and getting a roughing call and clearly tackling a guys knees like Vanden Bosch did. Yet, they were both the right calls.
by npb1985 on Oct 16, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't deserve a fine...
Under the rule, it was a penalty. However, this was not a flagrent hit. I don’t understand fining VandenBosch for something that just happens in the flow of the game.
by invisibulman on Oct 16, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Vanden Snatch
Your team is winless. Maybe if you could get off blocks by second-tier left tackles quicker your team wouldn’t be a shithouse.
Also, GO IRISH!
by tenyardfight on Oct 16, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as a Washington husky fan, who do I want to win
let’s see, we squeaked one out over the Trojans and the Irish squeaked one out over us…. and I have friends/alums in both camps. (A USC alum niece texts her dad during the SC games with visions of apocalypse if they’re not winning by about 35—the problem with attending school there when their record was something like 42-3 over four years)
Yup, LovinBlue’s low-scoring tie suggestion seems to be the only thing to root for.
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by Bobman on Oct 16, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This year's Washington team
Shows just how much coaching matters in Football. Sarkisian is a pretty good coach, and should have them back to where they were in a few years.
Although Armenians have a nice history of doing quite well in South Bend…
by mgrex03 on Oct 16, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops, the following comment is in response to you, mgrex03
my “reply key” must be stuck. yeah, that’s it.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
by Bobman on Oct 17, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure your sample size is big enough
And are you trying to poach a guy who’s been coaching for us for all of 6 games? Hey, we took your last cast-off, but I am afraid if Weis worked here Husky Stadium would sink in to Lake Washington.
You’re right, though, about coaching—Sark took a slew of SC assistants with him and Jake Locker, who I had hoped would be converted to RB a year ago, is leading the Pac-10 in passing. Whoda thunk it? Credit goes to the staff.
(Speaking of Pac-10 QBs, I love the fact that when they were seniors, Aikman was 3rd team all Pac-10, even though he was the top pick in the NFL draft and an NFL HOFer. Who was in front of him? Rodney Peete out of USC was 2nd team IIRC, and Timm Rosenbach out of WSU (??) was first team. Talk about QB depth in your conference!)
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by Bobman on Oct 17, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO the only reason the rule is dumb is
because its not going to prevent these types of hits and its certainly not going to prevent Brady’s injury.
Vaden Bosch was 1) flagged 2) fined for his hit and STILL doesn’t understand that what he did was wrong. The Raven players were flagged (i don’t know if any were fined for the hit, i know they weren’t for the comments) and I believe one of the Patriots DL was fined for a hit. No player has said, ‘well, i’ll stop doing that!‘, they just say, ’what did i do wrong? we can’t wear skirts.’ etc… So its clearly not making players think twice since they are in active defiance of the rule. And, as we saw with Brady, it only takes one hit to end the season, and that 15-yard penalty and $5000 fine isn’t curing someone’s ACL. The whole point of penatlies is prevention. The NFL would love to never throw a holding flag or a roughing the passer flag. So if the flags/fines aren’t going to be a deterent, they need to come up with something else. Perhaps attach shock collars to players nuts and the officials each have a remote and they can zap an offending player (I’ve made this suggestion before for Joseph Addai, each time he wants to dance in teh backfield or cut to the sidelines instead of shoot up the field, Caldwell could just zap him…).
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