Bob Sanders very likely to play and start this Sunday against the Rams
by Brad Wells on Oct 23, 2009 10:58 AM EDT
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PrintIf I'm Melvin Bullitt this morning, I'm a little peeved.
Basically, for the past two seasons, Melvin Bullitt has been the starting strong safety for the Colts. Since the Vikings game last season (Week Two), Bullitt has assumed the responsibilities as the starting safety, amassing 92 tackles, 4 INTs, and 1 forced fumble. That kind of production is Pro Bowl worthy (especially when you consider former-Cowboys safety Roy Williams' gazillion Pro Bowl nods, even though the guy was a crap safety). Yet, despite playing his guts out, and (by all measurements we know) having seemingly earned the right to start, Melvin Bullitt has woken up this morning to find out that Bob Sanders, a man who has not played a full season of football in his entire career, just took his job from him.
According to Jim Caldwell, Bob Sanders will likely play this Sunday, and if he does he will start (Tip to LovinBlue).
Hand, meet the side of Melvin Bullitt's face.
Seriously, what is this? What the hell has Bob Sanders done to earn a starting spot of late? Yes, yes, yes, I know Bob is good. Very good. Sometimes, he's great. However, Bob Sanders has not been "great" since 2007. That's two years ago. Two years ago, Adalius Thomas was the biggest free agent acquisition on defense a team could get. Today, he's benched. Two years ago, Marvin Harrison was a top 5 receiver. Today, he's done. Two years ago, Vince Young had "upside." Today, he can't get on the field for an 0-6 team.
Two years is an eternity in the NFL, and Bob Sanders has not been consistently "good" since 2007.
Meanwhile, while Bob is getting his knee scoped, his ankle taped, his hip checked, his shoulder worked on, and whatever the hell else is bothering him to the point where he can't practice or play, Melvin Bullitt is out there doing what Bob Sanders could never do: START EVERY GAME!
I know Bob is a dedicated player who works to perfect his game, but part of being a good player is showing an ability to stay. on. the. field. Ed Reed is great because he rarely, if ever, misses a game. Peyton Manning is great because he always starts, no matter what. Brett Favre's greatest accomplishment is not the TD record, the yardage record, or his Super Bowl ring in 1996. It's the fact that the man has started 275 straight games. The guy tore a muscle in his arm last year and still played.
Hell, Adam Vinatieri (a friggin kicker) had loose cartilage in his knee and actually wanted to play through it this year. A KICKER!
I think the most consecutive games Bob Sanders has started is 8. Pathetic.
The excuse we can from Colts management is Bob has a "reckless style" that invites injury. Um, OK. Thanks for telling us what we already know, but that is not an excuse. Dear Bob, CHANGE YOUR STYLE! Stop throwing your weak knees, bum shoulder, and fragile ankles into players. Play smart, not reckless. I am one fan who is tired of seeing you out on the field only 12 games a year. I'm tired of seeing your name on the injury report. I'm tired of the excuse making. Get on the field and stay there or get on the bench and let someone else do it.
Your salary is not in line with that level of on-field time and production. You are paid as one of the top safeties in the game, but the problem is a player considered a "top tier" talent has to, you know, play more than you do. I do not consider Bob in the same universe as Reed, Troy Polamalu, or even Brian Dawkins. Those guys play every friggin game, and rarely miss time due to injury.
And if I'm Melvin Bullitt this morning, I'm pissed. It should be Melvin starting (he's earned it) and Bob backing him up. I apologize if I sound a little bitter on this subject, but I'm just sick of Bob Sanders and all his stupid injuries. Great players play through injuries. Bob Sanders can't. Therefore, Bob Sanders is not a great player.
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yea i love bullit and he has done great but Bob gets it cause it was his spot they also
said he will be getting plenty of time playing just not starting. we will see if he isn’t producing he will be moved to backup behind bullit or something
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe Bob's REALLY ready...
and also remember the fact that Bullit is a huge special teams contributor (and captain), so now they don’t demand that much from him. And also, Bullit should not piss off, I can almost guarantee you that he’ll start at least one more game this season replacing Bob. I agree with you, Bob’s must change is playing style, but I doubt he will.
5-0 COLTS? Great!
Jaguars and Texans being 3 games behind? Awesome!
0-6 Titans? Priceless..
Geez, BBS....
Quit waffling, how do you really feel. This is a tough question, on one hand we have a pro bowl and defensive player of the year winner who can’t get a complete season in. On the other hand, we have a steady, dependable, and maybe even a possible pro bowler who plays every time he is needed. All I can come up with, is that this is a luxury most, if not all other teams do not have. Another thing I am fairly sure of, is that Bullit will continue to get playing time, because if history is any indicator Sanders will be out again.
yea bullit will still get plenty of playing time i am sure and
i have a feeling that saunders wont play the whole game either cause they dont want to over due it they will work him in slow but decided to start him rather than bring him in after thats all
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Bullit a free agent after this season?
5-0 COLTS? Great!
Jaguars and Texans being 3 games behind? Awesome!
0-6 Titans? Priceless..
restricted FA
Bethea will be restricted if there is no cap for 2010
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Oct 23, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullitt wil be a restricted FA either way
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Oct 23, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s not overthink this. Bullit is great, but not nearly as good as a healthy Bob Sanders. Starting jobs are not awarded on principle. You put your best players on the field when they are healthy, and Bob Sanders is the best player on the defense. Not that hard to figure out.
I agree with everything you said except
Freeney is the best player on defense.
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Agreed
with KMR24 above and Marshall Plan below.
Melvin knew BS was the starter—not like he was stabbed in the back and stunned by this sudden turn of events. He’s also loved by teammates (voted ST captain) and staff and fans. He’ll get a fat payday soon, and plenty of playing time in the interim. As some have said, maybe even the starting slot if BS has slipped. I wonder who willbe on the Pro Bowl ballot?
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
I'm sure on monday
when Melvin gets his ~29k paycheck he doesn’t feel too bad.
And his future is bright, his next contract is going to be a big one I’ll bet.
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Oehser
BBS-
Maybe you missed this, but Oehser’s Season primer for the Rams games states that they’re considering putting a 3-safety package in. So Bullitt could still start. Considering Marlin is still hurting, this is probably a more likely situation. So just because Bob starts doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll take Bullitt’s place.
can you link the article i havent heard that and im not sure how it would work unless we had
one less LB and went with two but that would effect our rush and pass defense at the line
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
And this is when...
I lose a little respect for SB’s football knowledge, because, if you knew what you were talking about, you would realize that Melvin Bullitt is feeling pretty damn happy this morning about his team getting a great player back for the stretch run. Bullitt also knows that Larry Coyer is going to find ways to get him on the field either by subbing for Bethea or Sanders or using him as a blitzer off the edge.
by MileHighHoosier on Oct 23, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
Bob Sanders has earned the right to start....
He single handedly took this defense to the super bowl. In my eyes, he has earned the right to start. Bullitt is a fine safety, which is why this D is better than they were a few years ago. But Bob Sanders is a game changer. When he plays, this D will go from Good to Great. If Bob Sanders stays healthy this D becomes scary knowing # 18 is on the other side of the ball
Seriously...
This is the worst article I’ve ever read on this site, because it’s presumption that Sanders has to “earn” the starting job back on the field during a game is ridiculous.
The coaches can see in practice if Bob is ready to play. And if you think it’s sooooo important who starts the game, please remember Addais’ rookie season.
Honestly, I don’t give a flying crap who starts, but knowing that Sanders is back and will get to play meaningful snaps makes me happy because I know it makes the Colts better. I guarantee you that’s what Bullitt is thinking this morning.
by MileHighHoosier on Oct 23, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't want to go so far to say it's the worst article,
but I agree that it doesn’t make sense.
Let’s have a poll.
also it isn't like he isn't prepared for all the things off field like the defense routes and such
he has been involved in that and in every meeting just not on field and yea i believe the coaches know when he is ready and time to get started this game
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This is 100%
the absolute dumbest, most ignorant thing that BBS has ever written since i’ve been a reader here. I don’t if know if he did this on impulse and didn’t think it through, but wow….it is not absurd to have someone think Bullitt should start over Sanders at first, but saying Sanders is not a great player goes in the blogging hall of fame in the category of biggest bonehead comments. No Bob Sanders in ‘06 = No Super Bowl. But he’s not great…wow.
And for the record....
I think BBS is 95% of the time very sharp and makes great points. Then there is 4% of the time when I think he is wrong, but respect his opinion. This falls in the 1% where he is completely out of his mind and there is nothing to justify the crazy opinion…in this case, that Sanders is not a great player because he is injured. I still am in awe of that statement.
by npb1985 on Oct 23, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I sort of stopped being pissed off about this
when I think to myself……….
Which player is more likely to be with this team 2 years from now. I have to say its Bullitt. Not saying Bob will, or should be gone. But if he keeps getting injured he’s just wasted money. At that point the team will have no choice but to move in a different direction.
I say Bullitt is the eventual full time replacement if Sanders keeps getting injured. Im sure he knows that in the back of his mind.
So you're saying
that a player’s greatness is determined by his ability to stay healthy? Really? So you’re saying that Darren Sproles should start over LT because he has been the healthier of the two the past two seasons? C’mon, now BBS….
With respect, it is Sanders’ spot, it always has been, he is the better player of the two. Bullitt has played great in his absence and will continue to see significant minutes. Ugoh looked good in camp too when Johnson was hurt, but Johnson still was named the starter, rightfully so. Bullitt has been great, but his “ability to stay healthy” does not warrant his taking Sanders’ spot. Sanders is better, and you play your best players. Not your healthiest ones. Bullitt is a great player, and I’m saying it again, will continue to see plenty of the field. He is also a good teammate and classy guy. He knew that this was Sanders’ spot, and I guarantee you he is not going to complain that the guy he looks up to is taking his spot back.
by npb1985 on Oct 23, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think it’s a matter of whether or not Bob gets injured. I think Bullitt is just the logical successor to Sanders.
by MileHighHoosier on Oct 23, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
I'm sorry,
but I don’t think Bill Polian is in the business of voluntarily weakening his team. You claim that Bullitt has earned the starting spot by staying on the field and not getting injured. In my book, you earn a starting spot by playing better than everyone else at your position. For how good Bullitt has been, Bob is much better when he plays.
You also commit a fallacy of a false example. You use Marvin Harrison, Vince Young, and Adalius Thomas as examples of players 2 years ago who were hot, but are gone or benched now. However, their situations have absolutely nothing to do with Bob Sanders. Marvin was old which combined with 1 really big injury made his skills regress, Young was exposed as a fraud, and I honestly don’t know what happened to Thomas. Maybe a Pats fan could enlighten me on that.
To this date, there has been no evidence that any of the injuries has caused Bob’s skills to regress. It’s OK to be tired of the constant obsession with Bob Sanders on the injury report. I’m a little bit too. I would prefer a wait-until-Sunday approach with him. What I’m not OK with is the connection you are making that Injured Less = Better player. That’s bad math.
Also, I don’t know why you are assuming that Bullitt would be offended by this. He, just like everyone else, has seen Bob play. He knows how good Bob is, and you’d think he would be happy for a teammate that he is most likely friends with.
If you want to argue that Bullitt is a better player than Sanders on the field, then fine, we have an argument. We can talk and have a rational discussion about that. But I don’t see how you can argue that when they are both healthy, Bullitt should get the start over a superior player because he is injured less. Talent isn’t measured by # of injuries. Talent is measured by what you do when you are actually on the field, and Bob has plenty of that to spare.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The national anthem of Greece has 158 verses. Wonder how long it would take to sing that before a game.
by Cassieper on Oct 23, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 18 recs
Doing my part to turn it green...
Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis
by hoosier in sodak on Oct 23, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd up.
Very well put.
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by peytonsthebest on Oct 23, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Pats fan here for the enlightening
Thomas’ production has been OK, but not the level we expected when he came aboard. Could be he did great things because teams always doubled Suggs? Thomas was more likely than Vrabel to get doubled in 2007, so Vrabes had a great year in 2007. 2008 Thomas sacked Favre and his running back at the same time, but then was injured.
My guess is he was slacking off, so the coach benched him to make a point. I seriously doubt he won’t be starting going forward, but who’s to say?
You’re right, though, not the same example as Sanders. Sanders is very good when on the field, I don’t think his production has been the issue as much as his (lack of) health.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Oct 23, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Rec’d
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Oct 23, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have a preference about who starts.
It’s how we finish that’s important. And with Bullitt and Sanders both playing, I’m thinking we’ll finish BIG!
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
WOW
I didn’t even read the whole thing through before I posted my first response. Yes, you DO sound bitter, and you need to stop. This could be one of the dumbest posts you’ve written. Bob Sanders is not a great player? ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME? They don’t give NFL defensive player of the year awards to players who aren’t great. They don’t invite player’s to multiple pro bowls if you are not great. Bob Sanders was arguably single handedly responsible for revamping our defense that gave us our Super Bowl, but he is not a great player? Get a freakin clue, man! That is absurdly stupid that you think of him as less than a great player because he has the audacity to play hard, resulting in injuries.
So you’re saying Bullitt is a great player because he doesn’t get injured? Unbelievable. Bob Sanders has been the key to our defense along with Freeney. For years he single handedly WAS our run defense. Bullitt never was and hasn’t been this year.
Here’s you’re theory: “Bob should not play as hard and slow down his intensity level, because he could get hurt. A player who does these things is not great. Player’s who are cautious about their physical health are great players.” If you don’t want Sanders starting, I disagree with you, but your opinion is valid. Saying he is not a great player is one of the dumbest things a person can say, especially with the reasoning that he is not great because he has been injured. You are completely wrong on this, 100%. Great players are the ones who make an impact on the field and are needed to help their team win. Not because they stay healthy. Unbelievable….
by npb1985 on Oct 23, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The Pro Bowl can't be taken seriously
If a player like ex-Cowboys safety Roy Williams (who’s known for not being able to cover a table, let alone TEs) has been to multiple pro bowls, then you know it’s based on the popularity of the player and/or team.
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Are you seriously going to compare BOB SANDERS to roy williams
Come on now. Bob was a defensive player of the year… if im not wrong, he was the first Indianapolis colt to ever do that. When he plays, he makes an impact… thats all i care about. I hate it when fans start playing GM…. “we’ll we are paying the guy all this money to sit on the bench… what a waste”…. Neither me nor u guys are paying directly for their salaries. We pay to watch them play. We have a great team, ENJOY IT!
If it was up to us, Marcus Howard would still be on this team, Ugoh would be starting, Addai should be benched and Muir would not have made this team. For all the expertise everyone offered… very few people had us actually taking Donald Brown in their mock drafts. Leave somethings to the front office and accept that they are a 100000 times more likely to make the correct decision
DID SOMEONE SAY CHAMPIONSHIP
NO, I'm not comparing Sanders to Roy Williams
Everyone loves talking about Jennings giving receivers a lot cushion, well apparently he learned that from the king of cushion: Roy Williams, lol.
I was just stating that DOY > pro bowl because of sorry players like Williams is allowed to be selected multiple times.
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I for one am really excited to have bob back
Whenever Bob has played, he has made plays. I challenge anyone of you to tell me of a game where bob sanders hurt the team. If the guy is healthy for the rest of the season, we have a chance to be extremely dominant. If not, we are still a pretty darn good team.
I actually think Bob will be better than ever in this new scheme. Not many can and will want to block bob on a blitz. He could easily be the best blitzer on this team. Can u imagine bob sacking a QB, he would be hurting for the rest of the game… Im really excited to have bob back. Bullitt will get his plays in aswell, he is just too good a player to not see the field.
I will give this coaching staff the benifit of doubt until a moke they make gets blown up in their face. I cant wait to see how this defense fares without Ed Johnson
DID SOMEONE SAY CHAMPIONSHIP
Won't Sanders return allow the Colts
to use Bullitt as a possible nickel back when needed ?
Yes
it will. Bullitt has earned playing time and he will get it. He will also likely take Bethea’s spot when he hits free agency.
and if we do get a few three saftey sets that can be huge that allows you to keep two back and
send bob or bullit as a blitz rusher which will help our pass D even more like we need it
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Melvin Bullitt is a good safety. Maybe even a Pro Bowl safety.
Bob Sanders is a great safety. Definitely a Pro Bowl safety. And a former Defensive Player of the Year.
Yes, he’s injured quite a bit. And it’s frustrating to see a star defensive player on the sidelines after he signed a monster contract. However, I don’t think that Melvin Bullitt wakes up and goes “I’m better than Bob Sanders.” because the Colts don’t draft guys like that. Bullitt is the next guy up. With Sanders back, he’s back on the bench. I mean, how many other teams can say “We can replace our Pro Bowl safety with ANOTHER Pro Bowl caliber safety?” I can’t think of any.
Just be glad for the embarassment of riches we have in the secondary when everyone is healthy.
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by MonkeyBusiness on Oct 23, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
While I agree
With the overall comment sentiment, I won’t needlessly rip into you for sharing your opinion. But I agree that the best players should start, not the most healthy players.
What I disagree most with in this article is that there’s a significant importance to starting in football. In my estimation, starting in football is one of the least important compared to other sports because of how often you sub and how often you can sub.
Sanders starts because he’s the better player, but Bullitt will still get plenty of reps on Sunday. It’s not like he’s going to be sitting on the bench all day.
I wonder if you willl change your tune BBS
when you see Bobzilla make even bigger plays that Melvin cant. I love Melvin Bullitt. I think he is a terrific safety and im sure Coyer will find a way to use him even if he isn’t starting, but to say that he is as good as bob and as talented is asinine. Bob is clearly the better player and when he plays he will have a bigger impact than bullit
I believe Sanders' injuries will go down this year
BBS mentioned safeties like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu not being injury prone, but you can’t compare them to Bob. First of all, Ed Reed plays more like a receiver on defense since he’s always looking for an INT, so that’s not the most accurate comparison. Troy Polamalu is probably a better comparsion for Sanders, but he has had the luxury of playing with a damn good D-line and linebackers corps which keeps him from having to clean up few tackles.
Also, I’m surprised no one has ever mentioned that Ronnie Lott, arguably the greatest defensive back in NFL history, only played five full seasons out of his 15 year career. He was known for his hard hits and wreckless style, too, but his injuries didn’t stop him from continuing to play like that.
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Apparently
its not just likely its definite he will start. according to my nfl mobile live txt message i just received lol
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
I'm not buying your BS, BBS
Quit trying to make me mad with all your crazy talk. You sound like some ESPN crazy trying to make some ridiculous point for ratings. You are right on par with Chris Carter saying Peyton’s skills are on the downside.
Your argument is valid if put in the context of whether we keep Bob or Bullitt AFTER the season is over. It’s senseless if you say Bullitt should start over Bob simply because of Bob’s past injuries. It’s just not sound logic.
And, is it just me, or is using Polamalu as an example of a player that never gets injured a bad choice? Didn’t he get hurt in the first game of this season, only to come back last week and limp off the field at one point again? I’m pretty sure Tomlin mentioned that they needed to limit Troy’s plays b/c of his proneness to injuries.
Stop being mad at Dumond.
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BBS hummm, i kind of understand your frustration with sanders.. BUT
He is the better player until proven otherwise on the field and the best player starts period.
If he is the best player in just 2 games per season then he should start those 2 games.
Now what is worth of debating is if we should keep paying a player that just plays 2 games and if we think bullit’s performance is enough for our D and Sanders should be traded to get value elsewhere on the roster.
In that regard im unclear of what i would do, but with each and every game that bobzilla is sidelined and unable to perform the idea of trading him before is too late gains weight.
wow
I think its not fair to lose your job bc of an injury especially if your bob (def player of the year) so what if melvin played great good for him but losing your job bc you lay your heart out and give everything on every play (thats what causes him to be hurt a lot) is not fair to any player especially bobzilla
Nothing is fair in football
I disagree with BBS, but saying that “it’s not fair” is weak. It’s not fair that the Patriots got away with cheating and won 3 Super Bowls doing it. It’s not fair to them that Tom Brady missed an entire season. It’s not fair that the Chargers got the home game last year when we had a 4 game advantage on them, but that’s football. Nothing is fair in the NFL.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
I can't agree with your conclusion...
I understand the frustration with Sanders’ many injuries. However, this would be an argument for not renewing his contract, NOT an argument against starting.
No reasonably sane person really believes Bullitt is better than Sanders when Sanders is healthy. His history of making big plays has earned him the right to start whenever he is healthy enough to do so. Until someone else can out-perform a healthy Sanders, the starting spot will, and should, remain his – regardless of how injury prone he is.
Also, Sanders has the rare ability to make everyone around him play better. The hits he delivers and the plays he is able to make get everyone else on defense fired up. Seriously, the guy is like bottled crack to his defensive teammates.
Besides, if you’re upset with Sanders’ salary vs. his playtime, shouldn’t you want him to play MORE?
4-2-5
Don’t make me start pounding the drum for it again.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Oh
And I dunno, maybe they kept rushing back Bob too early in the past and he was probably playing injured during the postseason but toughed it out to help the team and ended up doing more damage? And Caldwell finally had enough of that and decided to hold him out until he was completely 100% healthy as to avoid that constant cycle?
Not sure if you’ve ever had a torn tendon, muscle, cartilage or whatever, but I have and currently do. I could go get a cortoisone shot and be able to play the sports I’ve played my entire life at about 80% even though my shoulder is less than 50% of how it should be. I would be in pain, but I could do it. I could do it for about 2, maybe 3 weeks before the pain started to get to the point where another shot wouldn’t be enough. If I were on a professional team and I knew what I meant to the team I’d do it. However, at some point forcing your body past the breaking point over and over you get to the point where rest, shots, pain killers do nothing. You simply can’t do it and surgery, physical therapy, and time are the only options. Now, if you follow everything you need to and put forth all your effort, you can recover and be back to 100% if not a even a little more than you were previously. And seeing as how I’m 100% positive Bob was putting in enough work to go out there and help us in the playoffs and probably playing with through a ridiculous amount of pain, I’m pretty sure that this is a career saving scenario for one of the hardest working, best safeties that has ever played the game.
How do you think Bob screwed up his knees, shoulders and ankle? Think he was just driving up to McDonalds and slammed on the brakes locking up his knee and twisting his ankle and then, in an attempt to keep his face from hitting the steering wheel, threw his shoulder into the wheel? Yeah, it’s one thing to say somebody is missing games because they had too much chipotle sauce and didn’t have any chipotleaway on hand so they sat, but Bob “keeps” getting injured because he was never NOT injured. Next time you tear a muscle, tendon, dislocate a joint, go outside in about a week and repeatedly sprint as fast as you can towards a brick wall and leap at it with your head and shoulders first.
By the way, don’t blame Bob. I’m pretty sure he could have played and would have played and not had the surgery. If you’re to “blame” anyone it should be Caldwell. However, in my eyes, Caldwell deserves praise and accolade for actually trying to make sure Bob was right. Is it frustrating? You bet. But now we’re dogging guys for playing with serious injuries because they help the team? Pretty sure the easy way out would to just say “Sorry coach, too banged up to play in the playoffs. I’m just going to wait until next year.” I’m sorry but the entire rant against Bob should actually be the argument FOR Bob.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Oct 23, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Huh?
I don’t get the reference, although I barely do.
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4-2-5 is a defensive formation which Monstersbox was clamering for last year
essentially its a nickle package, but uses three safeties replacing one of the three corners in a nickle situation. However, the alignment is different from a nickle. Rather than having 2 safeties deep and having three DB’s lined up over three wideouts, it would look more like a a nickle up front and a sort of delta look with the safeties. Monstersbox gives a great explaination on how it will work here.
I personally like the idea. I think it is a good wat to use all of our safeties and can really be effective
by metal_militia on Oct 23, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW so i juet read what he wrote on the subject and here is what i think
first that is a great idea by the looks and basically what i thought of when i thought of 3 safties. also what that does it it gives a very dangerous look cause not only do they not know if bob will drop back in coverage or attack now we got two they have to think about instead of one.
and since bullitt has been playing they know what he brings also as he showed we could drop back the DB whish would work with the safties range and would help in pass protection because it would make the short route harder to complete and easier to defend.
we might just see it a few times here
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Notre Dame runs it a lot
And they get pounded because our safeties have the athleticism of double amputee 4 year old girls, but it could be awesome for the Colts. It involves a lot of blitzing from different places. Corners, safeties, linebackers, defensive linemen dropping back in coverage. I am a fan of the 4-2-5, especially when you have 3 great safeties.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
BBS Once Again....Get Real
A. Why would Melvin Bullit be “peeved”? I’m guessing he’
s not. Undrafted out of college, playing on a Super Bowl caliber team behind a former Defensive MVP with a chance to make a name for himself in the NFL while that former MVP is injured.
B. There is no questioning the difference maker a healthy Bob Sanders is when on the field. NFL caliber coaches don’t, nor should you.
C. Melvin Bullitt < Bob Sanders
I am a fan of Melvin, but he is no Bob Sanders….let’s not be delusional.
D. Please stop with the erroneous claims, you are embarrassing us Colts fans!
by Mullit18 on Oct 23, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Contradictory
Jumping off Cassieper’s post, this article makes absolutely no sense. Just so we have it straight—Bob Sanders might be more talented, according to BBS, but Bullitt is a better player because he stays healthy more often. I disagree, but fine. Whatever. I’m willing to hear him out.
Here’s where BBS totally begins, though, to completely contradict himself—Sanders is healthy. As in, today. Right now. So, knowing that both players are healthy, even under BBS’s assumption, Bob should be starting because Bullitt no longer has the advantage of staying healthy. Bob, as BBS recognized, is more talented. He should start when healthy, unless he can no longer make the plays Bullitt can. End of story.
Best Players should play when healthy
Yes Bob is injury prone, however this is the NFL, talent wins over “consistently being healthy” every time.
If Bob is healthy, he is head and shoulders above Bullitt in terms of performance, and therefore will play.
If he gets injured again, we know we have a good back up safety in waiting. Sucks for Bullitt but such is the nature of the sport (and really life as well)
I think BBS is confusing two separate argument: bob should start, and we should keep bob and bullitt on the roster
Bullit is a solid player. He gets the job done. But he does not have the freakish athletic ability that bobzilla has. He doesn’t have the ability to inspire the entire defense merely by stepping on the field. He doesn’t intimidate opposing players like Bob Sanders. All Bullitt is “better” at is being healthy, but that certainly isn’t a reason for choosing to play bullitt OVER sanders when they are both healthy! That is an argument about preferring to keep bullit over sanders in general. I think that argument is also wrong, but you could argue that:
(bob’s extra ability + inspiration) x 8 games a year < consistent production x 16 games a year. Therefore, we should keep only bullit. But when we have both, we play the best one and that is bob.
But, I think that any running back or receiver who has been hit by bob sanders and bullitt will tell you who they are more afraid of on sundays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh1Mim_dN-o’
see, for example, 1:20 seconds. That is a play bullit is incapable of making. That is the kind of play that will pump up everyone on your team.
That got me pumped up
I forgot how great Bob actually is.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
I'm about to leave work...
So I’m not going to look up a disappointed frowny face…but that’s what I’m giving you right now.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I can barely remember where I am at most times of the day
How could I remember how great Sanders was?
I assume that’s what you were talking about.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
But I bet you remember
every Notre Dame player for the past 15 years. Am I right?
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as an aside
since im tired of doing all the leg work in these sanders’ threads, could one of the pro sanders crowd (there’s enough of you, so you can divide the leg work if needed) provide one bit of factual evidence that the defense has been worse with Bullitt, or conversely, better with Bob?
Factual DOESN’T include: MB can’t hit like this! We won a super bowl with Bob! Bob is a freak! Dungy called Bob THE ERASER (Because thats what he does to our cap space while he’s on the bench)
I’ll accept any stat, advanced or otherwise. NFL stats, DVOA, PFR, anything. Just show that the defense is appreciably different in favour of Bob. I don’t believe in this intangible stuff. So please, if its such a slam dunk, someone provide the evidence. Thanks in advance!
How fair is that?
Bob hasn’t played much lately, and the defense has changed schemes and a lot of players have moved in and out. How fair is it to compare how the defense has played with the two when they were under a different D-coordinator, with different packages, and some different players.
The only way this can be proved is by how Bob plays now. Oh, and the fact that Bob got a DPOY and Melvin doesn’t appear to be anywhere near getting one.
there are 2 seasons of Melvin and Bob splitting time
Since a season is only 16 games, its already a ‘small sample’, but 2 seasons should be enough of sample for these purposes. Besides, people are stating it as FACT. If its so obvious that Bob is better and the defense is better with Bob, then these facts should be free-flowing.
You know what the easiest fact is? That Caldwell, Polian, etc. did not even CONSIDER not starting Bob. There has not been any criticism of bob’s rehabbing, concern that he won’t be the player he once was. Since the front office tends to know far more about how valuable a player actually is (see how wrong everyone here was about CJ) then the burden is on YOU and BBS to establish why A) the front office is mistaken and B) why we should disregard the intangibles that Bob brings everytime to play, let alone the critical accolades. (Sure i’ll say pro bowls don’t mean shit, but the NFL is not so stupid as to give Defensive player of the year to a mediocre safety).
And yes, Intangibles matter. No, you can’t quantify them. I can’t tell you how many fewer games we would have won if dungy hadn’t been the coach that he was, or if some hothead like gruden was coaching. But, I don’t think it is unreasonable to say that his demeanor was extremely valuable in games like the AFC championship. In the same sense, it is hard to quantify how the defense would have played without Bob against the same opponent, especially when you don’t have very much overlap.
why should there be any criticism of Bob’s rehab? He’s done more rehab than he has played games, at this point…
Other than that, here’s what I take from your post: I love Bob, I like seeing big hits. It doesn’t matter to me that the defense isn’t any different with Bob out, I have to believe that he is the key to winning, otherwise, we’re just like every other team, with no mystical powers. I obviously can’t prove my point, because there are no facts that back it up, but, again, I love Bob, so I’ll just go to the least common denomenator: You r a idgit, and Bob brings candy and nuts to the defensive huddle.
I’ve already posted multiple stats of the defense of Bob v Bullitt. Why do you think I’m so sure of myself when it comes to no one being able to prove, with actual facts, that Bob appreciably improves the defense?
Let me break this down for you:
1) The people with the most relevant knowledge about this issue (and probably know stats better than you) clearly think you are wrong or they would have had a competition. So I am going to go with the proposition that Bill Polian, Caldwell, and Dungy know more about Bob Sanders ability v. Bullitt than BBS + Spazmo do.
That means if you want to disagree with them, then YOU need to show the stats why Bob should not play over Bullitt when he is healthy.
2) Everyone who watches the games thinks that Bob Sanders is better.
3) some things can’t be quantified
Now when we add one and two together…that means that the people who coach/care most about the team think bob is better AND most people think Bob is better. Yet, we’re the one’s who have to “justify ourselves” with statistics? That’s absurd. You are the guy disagreeing with everyone, you have to back up your opinion with statistics.
2) clearly not true. Maybe you should get a refund on your education. There’s a difference between opinion and fact. What you stated is an opinion, and, obviously, a false opinion.
3) indeed. Peyton is a choker. A-Rod is a choker. Tom Brady is a winner. Mike Richards is a leader. No one was hungrier than Jordan. No one wants it more than Kobe. No one brings more to the table than Tony Saragusa. You’re just one of those people that romanticizes sports.
I hate to ruin it for you, but along with the Easter Bunny not being real, here’s another shocking revelation: Players make plays, not scheme or intangibles or great leadership qualities. When Bob was injured in the past, the defense was better with him because he was infinitely better than Giordano or Condren. When Brackett goes out, we want him back, not because the rest of the defense is lost without, but because he’s the best overall MLB on the team. When Freeney goes out, we want him back, not because he strikes fear in the heart of defenses and inspires the defense and gives them confidence, but because he’s the best player at the position.
You’re using intangibles and ‘unquantifiable’ things as a crutch. They don’t exist, thats why they are unquantifiable. But, in your world, as long as you keep shouting INTANGIBLES, you don’t ever have to deal in facts. Its convenient.
Regarding 1: I have posted facts on the defenses with and without Bob and with and without Bullitt. There is no difference. THey give up the exact same yards per game overall and on the ground. THis is true of the past 2 years. I don’t know what to tell you.
As far as the teams staff making a decision and knowing more than me: No doubt. They do. You’ve got that going for you. Politicians also know more than you and I. Doctors know more than you and I. Meteorologists know more than you or I. None of which prevents us from having opinions, and, hopefully, using the wonderful internet to make those opinions informed. I disagree with handing Sanders the starting job. If he perfroms at a better level than Bullitt, I’ll be happier than a pig in shit. And if he performs worse – i’ll be the first one to say bench him – hopefully you’ll have the balls to do the same, since you seem to be about wanting the better player in there.
I’m all for questioning common misconceptions with statistics. I also am not saying that the media is always right. My point is simple. Your statistics aren’t sufficient to prove your point. They can’t prove your point. Unless we could play each game twice, once with sanders and once with bullitt, and keep everything else the same, all we can establish is that bullit does a good job in games that he played.It doesn’t prove that he is just as good as Bob Sanders.
For example.
Your argument (in simple form)
Game 1: bob plays gives up 100 yards rushing
Game 2: melvin plays giving up 100 yards rushing
Thus, they are similar
The problem is: that we don’t KNOW how many yards Melvin would have given up if Bob played.
Thus, it could be that:
Game 1: If bob plays we give up 100, if Melvin plays we give up 200. Or vice versa.
Game 2: Melvin plays gives up 100. If bob had played we give up 60.
When a statistic is of questionable validity AND contradicts informed opinion AND contradicts other opinion, it is likely wrong.
If you are right and Bob sucks, then I will say he should be benched even if he makes “sweet” hits and I think he is a leader. Of course actual production is what is most important! But you can’t draw conclusions based on someone’s production while filling in and conclude they are just as good. See, e.g, Matt Freaking Cassell. He put up solid numbers last year for the pats, but I think most people would not say he is as good as brady. I think brady would have put up much more numbers.
I'm just getting caught up so I must have missed it
can you link or repost the Bob-Bullitt stats?
I’m also be curious about pass D, since I think it’s a really underrated part of Bob’s game that subjectively I think Bullitt is further from measuring up to.
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by shake n bake on Oct 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been following all the posts all day,
and I don’t remember SpazMo posting any stats except to say that we allow roughly the same yards on the ground with and without Sanders. I could have missed it, but I don’t think I did.
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and it was a crap load of work
to go through each game, look up who was playing, save that, etc… I mean, sure, I can do it again, but whats the point since stats don’t mean anything when ‘bob is better!oneoneone’ is so definitive.
Can you provide a link?
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This one?
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/10/6/1072484/bob-sanders-had-a-helmet-at
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Here, this is just 2008, with passing stats for Bullitt, will do later for Bob
MELVIN BULLITT
Game 3 – 48 cars 236 yards 4.9 avg (jaguars)
16-22 167 yards 7.6 avg
Game 4 – 32 cars 156 yards 4.9 avg (texans)
21-33 235 yards 7.1 avg
Game 5 – 19 cars 51 yards 2.7 avg (ravens)
28-38 209 yards 5.5 avg
Game 6 – 35 cars 116 yards 3.3 avg (Packers)
21-28 186 yards 6.6 avg
Game 7 – 31 cars 88 yards 2.8 avg (Titans)
24-37 193 yards 5.2 avg
Game 10- 25 cars 177 yards 7.1 avg (texans)
13-18 179 yards 9.9 avg
Game 11- 25 cars 120 yards 4.8 avg (chargers)
24-31 274 yards 8.8 avg
Game 12- 32 cars 101 yards 3.2 avg (browns)
16-29 92 yards 3.2 avg
Game 14- 22 cars 90 yards 4.1 avg (Lions)
23-34 233 yards 6.9 avg
269 carries for 1135 yards, 4.219(4.22) avg
186 attempts 270 comps, 1768 yards 6.55Y/A, 69%
BOB SANDERS
Game 1 – 39 cars 183 yards, 4.7 avg (bears)
Game 2 – 36 cars 179 yards, 5.0 avg (vikings)*
Game 8 – 32 cars 140 yards, 4.4 avg (Patriots)
Game 9 – 27 cars 59 yards, 2.2 avg (Steelers)*
Game 13- 24 cars 82 yards, 3.4 avg (Bengals)
Game 15- 27 cars 105 yards, 3.9 avg (Jaguars)
Game 17- 33 cars 167 yards, 5.1 avg (Chargers)
218 cars 915 yards, 4.22avg
- - sanders was injured in these games (i think the steelers games, as there are a lot of bullitt tackles/interception and then sanders missed the next game) but i counted the stats entirely for Bob, which sorts of evens out, since the vikings game was a below average game for the D and the Steelers was an amazingly above average game for the D.
2 things
1) obviously i reversed attemps and comps on Bullitts passing #s
2) Here are Sanders numbers against the pass:
Game 1 – 13 of 21, 136 yards, 6.5 avg
Game 2 – 14 of 24, 120 yards, 5.0 avg
Game 8 – 26 of 35, 202 yards, 5.8 avg
Game 9 – 29 of 41, 267 yards, 6.5 avg
Game 13- 22 of 32, 170 yards, 5.3 avg
Game 15- 28 of 41, 304 yards, 7.4 avg
Game 17- 20 of 36, 190 yards, 5.3 avg
152 comp 240 attempts, 1389 yards, 5.78Y/A, 63%
to complete something else:
30 rushing attempts per game and 126.1 yards per game and
30 passing attempts per game and 196.4 yards per game through the air when Bullitt is in there.
31 rushing attempts per game and 130.7 yards per game and
34 passing attempts per game and 198.5 yards per game
through the air when Sanders is in there.
so it's not opponent adjusted as of yet (I might give that a shot this weekend)
but the pass D was better with Sanders and the run D was the same.
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by shake n bake on Oct 23, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I look forward to it.
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its time consuming enough
going through all game stats and doing that.. if you want to adjust it, feel free, I’m curious to see, but I feel that over 16 games, it probably evens itself out. It also doesn’t take into account game situation and whether or not manning was healthy (and if the Colts were blowing people out).
Bob's Better
You know stats aren’t always as clear cut as everyone or near everyone on here thinks, sometimes you just have to do it the old fashion way and watch the difference in the two play after that there’s little question who brings more.
With that being said Bullit is great and there will be a time that he is better just not yet.
come on SpazMo do u sereiously believe
that intangibales such as leadership mean nothing at all???? no they dont get us wins and it doesn’t make plays but intangibles do have an effect no matter how suttle they are.
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
so you do believe that there is no meaning by having a captian or such. and dont think leadership has any value at all in a lockeroom or anything??
just trying to clarify not start any fight over this
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
leaders aren't people who have mystical auras
they are people who work hard, do everything they can to prepare and play to the best of their abilities, regardless of skill level. Peyton Manning isnt a leader because of his +2 to leadership shoulder pads, he’s a leader because he’s the best QB in the game, makes a shit ton of money, and is still the first person to practice and the last person to leave. He leads by example. He leads through actions. He leads because he wants to be the best. I don’t believe ‘leadership’ is a quality, its an adjective that describes actions.
ok agree and i never have and never will say that any intangibales or poeple have a "mistical auras" as u word it
so lets use leadership i guess for example. i agree with what u said using manning. let me see if i can explain well what im saying lets use manning and sorgi and forget that one is obviously better than the other by far. ever person including both of them have the ability to be leaders but one is a great leader (manning) and the way is a leader as u said carries over and he makes the others on the team better. part of being a leaders is motivating, and encouraging and that is something manning is great at. sorgi although he would try wouldn’t have that same effect because he doesn’t have the same leadership skills. a good leader does make his team and the players around him better because he makes them want to be better and want to work harder.
look just so u know i am not trying to say sanders should or shouldn’t be starting. i think both are good and would lead to bullitt mabye idk. pluse sanders will start but isn’t going to get the majority of the reps anyway i dont think he is ready to but they are jsut getting him some game action and game speed action working him in slowley
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Manning is able to do those things
that Sorgi isn’t able to because Manning is a HOFer. If Sorgi went to the rookies and said, ‘good job, keep it up’ they’d say, uh, thanks, Maytag dude. (I’m half joking). You never hear about the leadership of backups or role players. Because in the minds of people (especially the media) anyone that has talent = leader.
i guess you wont understand my point i guess i should say
manning and romo. manning obviously is better number wise but also leadership he would have a bigger impact with what he says and does cause of his leadership. mabye not a good example but man there is something to be said about personality and things that are not on the field or the way a person carries themselves that effects others whether it is something u believe or not is another thing.
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not done with class for the day yet so this will be a hit and run, I haven't even finished reading the post
but Bullitt hasn’t played a full season yet either. Full seasons played is a terrible measure, particularly for defensive players.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BullMe99.htm
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it is
he has played in less seasons almost as much as sanders though. im not going to go into a ton of numbers right now i dont have time work in 30 min. but i will give you something here
also i am not here debating either side of who is better cause they both bring something a little diffrent. for sanders he has played in 5 years 45 games with 3.5 sacks and 5 int. he has had two seasons with over 100 tackles which were the seasons he played 14 adn 15 games. he is a better tackler and agressive one.
bullitt who is more of a coverage saftey. he in two years has 5 int. but no where near the talkes the most he has had in a season is 85. they are both good but have diffrent things they bring to the table
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not sure what your link is showing?
that Melvin Bullitt has played 35 of 37 games, compared to Bobs 45 of 85 or whatever the number is? So, you’re right, MB is pretty fragile, I don’t think he’ll get 10 more games in over the next 48.
"I do not consider Bob in the same universe as Reed, Troy Polamalu, or even Brian Dawkins. Those guys play every friggin game, and rarely miss time due to injury."
Probably shouldn’t use someone who is coming back from an injury that cost him over a month of the season already as an example for safety health.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Yea
but tearing a ligament is random, and he actually chose to play again this regular season, as opposed to just being a playoff roster spot.
umm I'm pretty sure this article is about Bob returning during the regular season
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by shake n bake on Oct 23, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
who the F wrote this trash article
How does someone so naive get to write for a website,is this guy retarded. First off this is Bob’s defence, safety is his position, he won a superbowl for the colts playing that position, Why wouldnt the colts be smart (smarter than the fruit who wrote this article) and use both of them and interchange them, as a way to keep bob healthy for playoff time, we know that both can play the position well and we know that bob has won defensive player of the year and a superbowl and we know that Melvin has won over a couple of colts fan’s hearts. AND injuries do not determine how great a player, im sure bob would have come back sooner if the colts really needed him this year but the colts havent really got a challenge so far this year. If the guy that wrote this was near me when he said Bob sanders is not a great player i woulda blacked his feckin eye
by pmanningcolts2010 on Oct 23, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
Sanders or Bullitt
Dont really know what i am talking but maybe to put them both on the field turn one of them into a cornerback
not bad
or play a cover 3 some times
by pmanningcolts2010 on Oct 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bethea would be turned into the nickelback
And Sanders and Bullitt would be the regular safety probably.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
Interesting.
Does Bullitt have any experience in the free safety spot? I can’t recall him ever playing there.
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Quite frankly a sour grapes pathetic post
quit with all the negativity .. we get it.. u can’t stand him being injured, you think we do? but if you don’t realize how good he is, well then there’s a reason why there’s gm’s and fans huh?! geeze!
bob sanders is a great player
i dont know who this guy think bob sanders is but the man is human. when bob sanders does play there are no big runs against our defense. i,m not saying melvin doesn,t deserve a starting job but he should have known from the start the when bob sanders came he would hit the bench again and back him up. All players have injuries his just happened at a bad time . Didn’t nobody say anything in 2006 when he came back after 15 games and help win the superbowl. doesn’t matter to me who start as long as both do there job and contribute to the team’s win. so let it go the coaches know what there doing.
There are no long runs against the Colts?
when Sanders is in? without looking it up, i know for a fact there was a 50+ yard run in the first game of the year last year against the Bears
yea that statment is ablolutly false now your going to far with that
there def. were big runs and pluse the two safties are diffrent and hard to compare one is more of a pass oriented player and the other run. at least that s what i see by the numbers and the way they play
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 23, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
bob has higher production when hes healthy
bullit has played in 35 games in his career to date and sanders has played in 45. Bullit has 114 tackles, 0 sacks, 5 ints, 0 def Td’s, and 10 pass defl’s
Sanders has 290 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 5 ints, 1 def Td, and 15 pass defl’s…
BOB HAS MORE THAN DOUBLE BULLIT’S TACKLES IN ONLY 10 MORE GAMES PLAYED!!
With the colts new more aggressive defensive scheme look for bob’s stats to only inflate at a higher rate.
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