Owen Daniels - The best tight end in the AFC ?
The Top 4
| Player | Team | G | Rec | Yds | Yds/G | Lng | Avg | TDs | 20+ | 40+ |
| Heath Miller | PIT | 7 | 40 | 353 | 50.4 | 25 | 8.8 | 4 | 1 | 0 |
| Owen Daniels | HOU | 7 | 39 | 497 | 71.0 | 44 | 12.7 | 5 | 7 | 2 |
| Dallas Clark | IND | 6 | 38 | 485 | 80.8 | 80 | 12.8 | 3 | 6 | 2 |
| Antonio Gates | SD | 6 | 34 | 474 | 79.0 | 37 | 13.9 | 2 | 8 | 0 |
I know I'm a homer, so just wanted to get some other opinions about who has been the best tight end in the AFC this season. And I am just talking about this season, wasn't comparing career stats on these guys. Colts fans were going to ban me for voicing this argument on their blog, so I decided to make my first fanpost on BRB.
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ok and it starts lets find out the results. i say we compare in a few days
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by ANGELSFAITH on Oct 26, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cool
I’m posting on Steelers, and Chargers blogs as well.
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by CFHTim on Oct 26, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good i think it would be good to put it on the other two teams in our divisions sites as well mabye?
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by ANGELSFAITH on Oct 26, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda of a dumb idea cause basically heres hows its gonna turn out
Colts-Clark wins
Texans-Daniels wins
Steelers-Miller wins
Chargers-Gates wins
Post on sites that arent a team of one of the featured players….that would give you the best results
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by coltsfan723 on Oct 26, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why im trying to tell him to put it on other sites as well like our rivals
and i think he should just do it was it gets repeated but they all still say we would have banned it thought lol anyway
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by ANGELSFAITH on Oct 26, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about that
but already had to re type the poll for every post, so didn’t edit the body much.
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by CFHTim on Oct 26, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will put on BCC.
I’m banned from MCM so they don’t get to participate.
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by CFHTim on Oct 26, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great idea
perhaps an average will be necessary
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 27, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mad props Tim...
for finding the one picture of Dallas Clark on the ground.
:D
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by Marked Hoosier on Oct 26, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Believe me
it was hard work.
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by CFHTim on Oct 26, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha just shows how much people like to keep him there lol
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by ANGELSFAITH on Oct 26, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
do i smell a biased post?
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by coltsfan723 on Oct 26, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
na we are having it put on a lot of sites so it wont be quite as bias as only putting it on ours or the texans
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by ANGELSFAITH on Oct 26, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
i was making a joke in reference to the pictures because all of them look good except Clark who is on the ground
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by coltsfan723 on Oct 26, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adaptation of the Andre vs. Reggie thread at BRB...
Forget the stats just watch Dallas Clark play he is sooooooo much better…
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by hoosier in sodak on Oct 26, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Dallas...
and he is the best receiving TE in football…but he is not the best blocker. There is more to TE than just catching the ball…but all aside…PRO BOWL!!!!!
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by TRDean on Oct 27, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow congrats
You’ve got the third best TE in the AFC.
Must be exciting to be a Texan fan. Maybe next year he’ll be second best, won’t that be something?
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by MarshallPlan on Oct 27, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume you have Clark ahead of Owen Daniels.
Who would be your second ? Gates?
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by CFHTim on Oct 27, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Gates
And that guy on the Raiders is pretty good, I’d probably pick him over Daniels too, Zach Miller.
And actually Heath Miller is pretty decent, so forget what I said.
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by MarshallPlan on Oct 27, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may want to correct this.
Colts fans were going to ban me for voicing this argument on their blog, so I decided to make my first fanpost on BRB.
Or maybe not…
by peytonsurdaddy on Oct 27, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who's going to double check your numbers?
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by Indy Lori on Oct 27, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are welcome
to check my numbers. But really each team mostly voting for their guy. I posted on Jags blog as well, think those will be the most honest poll numbers.
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by CFHTim on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then this won't work. If every site picks their own, what does it prove?
I’m not trying to be argumentative.
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by Indy Lori on Oct 27, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing it really proves
is that Clark, is by far, the best in the league.
by Ayrshire on Oct 27, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted on the Jags blog.
They might be the best place to check for a unbiased opinion.
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by CFHTim on Oct 27, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see more data
Need targets per game, targets as a proportion of total offense and sacks/hurries/TFL numbers given up by whiffed blocks.
Without it, I’m going homer and picking Clark.
by eltharion_doa on Oct 27, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright let's do this right...
1. As already stated by everyone above with a brain, you are NOT going to get unbiased results by polling teams whose tight end is in the polling.
(Ex.: “So-And-So is obviously the best TE in football because he plays for my team and since I am a winner and I only back winners, then by the Transitive Property So-And-So is a winner and is therefore the winner of this poll.”)
2. You are not going to get unbiased opinions from teams who are in the same division as any of the candidates in this poll.
(Ex. 1: "I hate So-And-So’s guts because he plays for our division rivals and always makes our defense look like a pack of drunken hillbillies stumbling around in the dark looking for their lost coon-hound ‘Cletus’, therefore, I would sooner set my ass-hair on fire than vote for him.
Ex. 2: “So-And-So, our division rivals TE, regularly beats on us like orphans at a Catholic monastery, and since I know we’re awesome then the only logical explanation is that he is the best fucking TE to ever walk in cleats. He gets my face-saving vote.”)
3. You are not going to get an unbiased opinion from inter-division rivals either, such as between the Colts and the Pats or the Steelers and the Pats, for much the same reasons as stated in point #2.
(Ex.: Pats Fan: “Gawd, I hate those douchebag Colts and Stealers! They’s always a takin’ what is rightfully owas’ as the best fans in the facking universe! I would rather stick my cawk in a gawdamn wood-chippa’ than vote for they’ra guy!”)
4. You’re not going to get an informed opinion from any NFC fans do to lack of familiarity with the candidates.
(Ex.: NFC Fan #1: “Hey, who do you think the best TE in the AFC is, buddy?”
NFC Fan #2: “What the hell is the AFC?”)
Conclusion: Poll the remaining AFC East teams (Bills, Jets, Dolphins). They have little-to-no dog in this fight and would be the closest thing you’re going to get to an unbiased and informed opinion. Hell, we’ll even give you the Pats. Go ahead and ask ‘em.
To make it truly fair, though, you need to change that Coltsbanishment crap in the body.
Unless, that is, you’re afraid of a fair fight?
by peytonsurdaddy on Oct 27, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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by Cassieper on Oct 27, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in my personal opinion...
clark may be one of the “smartest” TE’s in the league. you have to be, in order to be in this offense, with it’s telephone book of plays.
having said that, i will still take OD if we were choosing sides. he’s fast, great hands, and has a nose for the endzone, and first downs. can’t comment on the others, as i haven’t seen them play.
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by chrisd21 on Oct 27, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and you would have done better posting it on BRB, and asking fans from the other TE in question to come over and vote.
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by chrisd21 on Oct 27, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I'm starting to think that would have been easier.
Was my first post, so kinda new to me.
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by CFHTim on Oct 27, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Include the whole picture..
Clark has an 81% catch rate to Daniels 70%
Daniels has 1 fumbles, Clark has 0
Clark and Daniels have almost identical yardage and completion numbers, Daniels has been targetted 17% more than Clark.
Stats are great when you sort of pick and choose which stats you share. Owen Daniels has had 2 or 3 nice games in a row.
Dallas Clark is a great player.
by SpazMo on Oct 27, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I tried posting a better set of stats
but the numbers kept coming out all jumbled. The whole picture includes Daniels being alot more physical than Clark IMO.
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by CFHTim on Oct 27, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also,
For those that care Daniels has also been the best TE by DYAR this year. Clark is 2nd, Gates is 3rd. Miller is down there, but in the AFC he trails only Watson and Scheffler who are targeted much less often.
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by Wonko on Oct 27, 2009 4:36 PM CDT
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by CFHTim on Oct 27, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the DYAR difference..
Daniels – 124
Clark – 119
Gates – 105
There is a big difference between 2nd and 3rd, but not 1st and 2nd. Like I said, Owen Daniels has had a good set of games, but Clark is the better TE and more consistent.
As for your ‘Daniels being a lot more physical’, I’m not sure how you quantify that. They don’t take Dallas Clark out of the game in running situations, and he’s a much better blocker than most people give him credit for.
by SpazMo on Oct 27, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and since Clark has played one less game and has a higher DVOA
a slight DYAR edge isn’t much of an endorsement.
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by shake n bake on Oct 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha aren't these the same stats you were discrediting
because Andre Johnson was 37th in the league? A: Why yes, yes they are.
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by AJforAZ on Oct 27, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
posted at behind the steel curtain
“I don’t like those DYAR numbers, they had Andre Johnson ranked as the 37th best reciever in football, don’t trust those stats.”
by CFHTim on Oct 27, 2009 12:46 PM CDT
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by AJforAZ on Oct 27, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why I just pasted Wonkos's comment
I don’t like those stats personally. Those same stats say Kevin Walter is more valuable than Reggie Wayne per play as well.
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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so why would you even bring attention to them
because they help your cause this time.
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by AJforAZ on Oct 28, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because I don't agree with something.
Doesn’t mean it has no place in the discussion, just trying to keep an open mind about it.
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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you weren't having a very open mind
when it involved Andre and Reggie. I’m just saying you’re being a bit hypocritical don’t you think?
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by AJforAZ on Oct 28, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats your opinion.
I actually followed the link and looked at the stats, didn’t just dismiss them. And I didn’t bring them up myself, another poster on the Chargers blog brought it up, and I posted his comment on this thread.
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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh actually you did dismiss them
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 28, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with the stats.
But I did follow the guys link explaining them and took the time to read it. And FO says there are factors that they can’t account for in those statistics, besides the fact that the numbers are only for 7 weeks.
Some teams have had bye weeks and some haven’t, bad QB play can make a reciever rate worse than they are. Those stats say that Kevin Walter is more valuable per play than Reggie Wayne, but I don’t believe that. As I’m sure Colt fans don’t believe it either.
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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe I'm the first to mention
That Clark and Gates have put up similar numbers to Daniels with ONE LESS GAME.
by slash196 on Oct 28, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're not...
Shake mentioned it above.
by peytonsurdaddy on Oct 28, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think most of us (of course its a Colts blog)
Owen Daniels doesn’t really have a dog in this fight. Is he a good tight end, definitely, does he have the receiving abilities of Gates and Clark? No. What about the blocking abilities of Miller? Negative. I think Daniels has the potential to be something special soon, just not now. His statistics are so high because he gets targeted so much compared to the others. He has some efficiency issues.
The other 3 are pretty special TEs in their own way and I think it depends on what you value as a TE. Of course we all value what our TEs excel at. However, Daniels does all things above average and nothing very very well. My opinion of course. That’s why these posts aren’t getting too much activity, everyone thinks that their TE is most valuable at what they do and therefore there isn’t much of an argument to have.
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by AJforAZ on Oct 28, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Schaub is in love with AJ and Daniels because he just just dink the ball to them and get them to do all the work.
by eltharion_doa on Oct 28, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
Schaub throws downfield alot, especially over the middle.
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by CFHTim on Oct 29, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daniels has also played one more game than Dallas
As regards the stats you posted, Daniels had played 7 games, Clark had played 6.
You have to account for that.
So not only does Dallas have a better completion %, he has more Yards Per Game.
He also has a longer reception than Daniels (80 yds.).
Now that Dallas has played HIS 7th game, he has more yards than Daniels had in his 7 games, and a much higher YAC.
You really have nothing to justify your claim that Daniels is better except homerism.
Dallas gets the nod because he has been putting up numbers like that consistently for years.
by HoosierHorseman on Nov 5, 2009 8:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Go to ESPN>NFL>Stats> recieving
for authentic stats.
Now, after Clark’s 7 games and Daniels 7 (and a fraction) games played;
Clark is ranked 7th in the League among all receivers,
Daniels is 13th.
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