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Hey Colts fans.  This is Fooch from Niners Nation, your resident 49ers blog.  Our squads are squaring off this weekend in a game I view as the toughest on the 49ers schedule.  Your Colts appear to be pretty locked in and at this point, maybe 49ers fans just hope to cover the spread?  Actually, I do think the 49ers can win this game, but it's gonna take a whole heck of a lot going right.

The game itself is suddenly a lot more interesting after the 49ers loss this past week at Houston.  49ers QB Shaun Hill was ineffective in the first half and gave way to Alex Smith, with the 49ers down 21-0.  Although the 49ers ended up losign 24-21, Alex Smith, in his first start in two years, put together the best performance of his stop-and-go career.  Monday he was named starting QB, so you get a chance to see a moderately athletic QB.  And yet 49ers fans have no idea what to expect.  Was that half of football a fluke?  Is he legit?  It's made all the more interesting because Alex Smith made the first start of his NFL career against the Colts in 2005.  It's cool to see it come full circle.

Of course the 49ers do have more than just Alex Smith.  They've got a tight end in Vernon Davis who is slowly making the leap to one of the better tight ends in the league.  They've got rookie Michael Crabtree who had 5 catches for 56 yards in his NFL debut.  They've got a defense with playmakers like LB Patrick Willis and DE Justin Smith.

The team has struggled the last two weeks, but should put up a good fight against your Colts.  So, feel free to fire away with questions about the 49ers.  I'll make sure to get some 49ers fans over here to help answer them.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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How do you feel about Alex Smith starting? Do you feel QB is a position that needs to be addressed in next years draft?

by Sanders_fan89 on Oct 28, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel pretty good about Smith starting

If he starts to suck (or if he just doesn’t show the team that he can be the future) again we can go into this year’s draft looking for a QB.

Have fun dismantling my favorite team this Sunday.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 28, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Calling it right now....

Alex Smith will be our starter of the future…He will play well this season and eventually be a Pro-bowl caliber QB….He will be as good if not better than Aaron Rodgers (whom he will forever be linked to), he will be the feel good comeback story of the year and everyone will jump on his bandwagon…Just remember who called it first…I know most people will scoff at this post and say I’m just being a homer, but I just have this gut feeling that the light will finally click and he will resurrect his career a la Drew Brees (not saying that he will be as good just that he will be successful) .

by Jay-skee on Oct 28, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just remember who called it first

That would be Grant.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

I been anti Hill and Pro Smith since the pre-season!!

11-5... My 49ers pre-season prediction!

by Ten-Man on Oct 29, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Alex Smith has given us a reason to be fairly optimistic in a very limited, short-term sort of way. I feel good about him in the sense that he might give me a reason this weekend to actually feel good about him.

Ultimately, I can’t really answer your first question for another couple of weeks at the minimum, and I can’t answer your second question until the season is over. There’s just not enough to go on right now. We know his development has been essentially unscoutable for two years now thanks to his shoulder, so we really have no idea how far – if at all – he’s actually progressed from the last time he took the field healthy at the very beginning of the 2007 season.

But there’s the possibility that he’s going to be very good. And that’s more than Shaun Hill (who even the supporters – and I’m one of them – would concede never had a chance to more than merely “good”).

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

two years ago when Smith was starting in his 3rd year in the NFL he looked like he was finally getting it together and figuring it all out. Then his shoulder got hurt and he’s been pretty much out ever since. I think he now is ready to pick up where he left off. To me Smith projects as a solid starter – maybe in the middle third of NFL starters. I don’t think he’ll ever be elite but I think he has a chance to be above average. I would say that it’s probably not the time to go after a QB with a high pick next year, but as howtheyscored said, we should see how the season plays out before making that call

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 28, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

QB

Well this post filled up pretty quickly.

I have to say I’m kind of excited to see what Alex Smith can do…and not just because it gives me an excuse to bust out my #11 jersey. What I like is that we can finally get an idea about what Smith truly brings to the table. He’s had injury issues the last couple years and is finally 100% healthy. More importantly, he’s got more talent than he’s had in his entire time with the team.

If the 49ers decide to draft a QB in 2010, I see them taking somebody in the mid to later rounds. I would hope they want to see what Nate Davis can bring to the table, but it’s not going to happen anytime soon.

by Fooch on Oct 28, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they most likley will pick around the middle as they wont be at the very top with all of the teams

that are doing so horrible and your team finally doing a little better this season but there will be a lot of QB on the market i think so it is possible or they could go after painter who has seen a few snaps in the NFL and makes for some good trade bait as our third string. i would think they would be willing to talk as though he seems good and studyies a lot we dont have a place for him before manning retires and thats a ways down the road

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Oct 28, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We do have the Panthers first round pick.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

where in the first round though??

I think it is a real possiblity with you haveing a good running back in gore who was held back with the injury some. and now crabtree who looks like he could be a pretty good reciever ( wont say great till he proves it) a TE who seems to be getting better. i say they go after one if they do not feel the ones they got are going to be long term starters and it doesn’t look like they think they are

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Oct 28, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That makes me happy.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This video right here has produced one of my favorite lines ever. It was so awesome that there has been 2 sequels. One where you must put a banana in your ear, and another where you must grab their tongues. Purely awesome.

by Cassieper on Oct 28, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, sorry.

I read that as Patriots. Well, the Panthers should give you a pretty high pick as they are literally imploding right now. You won’t get Tim Tebow (like any fan would want him), but you should be able to get someone.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This video right here has produced one of my favorite lines ever. It was so awesome that there has been 2 sequels. One where you must put a banana in your ear, and another where you must grab their tongues. Purely awesome.

by Cassieper on Oct 28, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i recomend clasian from notre dame i wouldn't go for tebow or standford. tebow would be good

for miami though he would be perfect for the wild cat but they got a good guy i think in henne already

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Oct 28, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's pretty important

seeing as panthers could be a top 10 pick. But I say you use ure high picks to draft defensive stars, less chance of a bust, and Singletary in my opinion can mold a very disciplined defense. You guys need a strong defense to go with the running game. If Crabtree is the playmaker he looks like, the 49ers can be much stronger than i expected next season.

by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Oct 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to SB, Fooch, and thanks for the Q&A session.

I certainly think the 49ers will pose some very tough matchups for the Colts defense, especially if Smith can find Davis like he could against the Texans.

2 questions: What kind of strategies do you think the 49ers will use to stop the Colts’ pass rush? And is Gore a weapon in the passing game?

by shoein on Oct 28, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think the 49ers can stop the Colts' pass rush...

Gore is a very dangerous weapon in the passing game.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 28, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think the 49ers can stop any team’s pass rush right now. The o-line schemes have been all mixed up and the personnel has been terrible at picking up defensive packages. We all kind of expected the offensive line to be better this season, but with the exceptions of Heitmann and possibly Staley, it really seems to have regressed all the way around.

And even then, Heitmann – who is one of the lone bright spots – is the guy responsible for directing the rest of the guys on the line, so if they’re messing up their assignments, it might start with him.

I’d be a little surprised to see the team pull away from the extra receiver sets they ran so well this last weekend, so I can’t imagine seeing an extra tight end in pass protection. If Gore’s closer to 100%, he’s a very good pass blocker, so he might help… but realistically Alex Smith is just going to be a walking target.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so maybe he can just walk around long enough for somebody to get open

he was able to throw 3TD’s to Vernon Davis with Mario Williams chasing him, after all.

by shoein on Oct 28, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whether it was bad scheming by Texas or good execution by San Francisco or some other possibility, it really seems to me that the pass protection Smith got in the second half last week was the fluke occurrence of the season. If I were a betting man, I’d put my house on Smith being on the run a LOT any other half of any other game. I’m not going to bet on another fluke like that happening.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mario has a hurt shoulder

he continues to play each week, but he isn’t the same guy right now.

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Happy Now Tits?
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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't say that

that upsets me too much. If I did, then I’d be lying. Should make it easier for Charlie Johnson.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This video right here has produced one of my favorite lines ever. It was so awesome that there has been 2 sequels. One where you must put a banana in your ear, and another where you must grab their tongues. Purely awesome.

by Cassieper on Oct 28, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Luckily Okoye is finally starting to play decently in the middle in his third year. Our run defense has improved each week, but Manning will give our secondary all kinds of trouble.

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Happy Now Tits?
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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't worry about your defense

No matter what, Manning and crew are going to carve up defenses, you need to hope you just don’t get behind too early. Gore is your main weapon, and you need to run.

by Colts_and_Cavs_in_09! on Oct 28, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best news I've heard in a while.

As long as his shoulder is still a problem next week.

by shoein on Oct 28, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hm..

The 49ers can’t stop anybody’s pass rush, but who knows? If Crabtree starts playing very well we could see Vernon Davis staying in to block a bit more and I’d feel comfortable with him against any pass rusher in the NFL. Beyond that, I don’t think anybody on our o-line can really contend with the Colt’s rush save for Eric Heitman.

by Ninjames on Oct 28, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vernon Davis staying in to block a bit more

Great, just what we need. Another rusher to confuse Chilo & co. VD is a fine blocker, but I’d rather not have the rest of our OLine trying to fit another rusher into their “OMFG!!!! Who am I going to block?!?!?!?!” equation.

You have been DFiBrillated.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 28, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...?

I have no idea what you’re getting at.

by Ninjames on Oct 28, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pass rush/gore

Pass Rush: Well the 49ers offensive line has really struggled this season. They shuffled the right side of the line only to see their new right tackle, Tony Pashos, go down for the season. Adam Snyder was moved over to split time at right guard, but now might have to move back given the injury. The Colts pass rush is most definitely NOT the type of pass rush you want to deal with when your o-line is struggling. Good thing Alex Smith has good wheels.

Gore: In his first few years, Gore was often leading the team in receptions. He can definitely do good things in the passing game. However, the last year has seen the 49ers add some decent enough receivers so Gore hasn’t been as necessary in the passing game.

by Fooch on Oct 28, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just heard that Pashos is out for the year

how good was he playing, and how big of a loss would this be. I take it that he is your RT, so he would be going up against Mathis, but I was wondering just what the dropoff would be between him and the back-up.

EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Oct 28, 2009 1:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He was playing inconsistently, but he was also being shuffled in and out of an offensive line that a competent lineman would have easily won a starting job in. Our line is not good right now, and he was struggling to win the job. The dropoff to the “backup” won’t be all that much.

That said, I think that the loss is rather painful. Not only is it a hit to the depth along an already thin corps of players, but he really represents the 49ers’ continued failure to identify and acquire quality offensive lineman. It’s not exactly fair because Pashos had been a full-time starter on some good offensive lines, so everybody expected that he was going to be a very good acquisition. As it turned out, though, he’s just another free agent in a long line of Jonas Jennings and Marvel Smiths. Add that to the disappointing development of our many draft picks (whether we’re talking Snyder, Baas, and Rachal), and it seems like the only HITS we’ve had on the O-line these last few years have been Joe Staley and Larry Allen (and really, Larry Allen is a hall of famer, so that was a nice slam dunk of a scouting job).

So from a practical standpoint, I’d REALLY like to have the extra depth of a Pashos, but we probably won’t see much in the way of a production loss. However, from a symbolic standpoint, he’s really the latest in a long list of major failures by this front office to shore up what has been a very bad offensive line for many years now.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a big loss, not necessarily because we're losing a playmaker

But because our backup couldn’t block a high school pass rusher.

by Ninjames on Oct 28, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I wasn't seeing the line very well

But I didn’t feel like Pashos had been adding very much at all when he was playing.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn't, really

But if Barry Sims gets the nod I have a sneaking suspicion we’re all going to be begging for Pashos to step in, one armed or not.

by Ninjames on Oct 28, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I can’t necessarily argue with that.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right tackle

No announcement has been made yet as to who will be the right tackle. When I hear more I’ll make sure and post it here. Right now, it’s hard to tell. I’m guessing Snyder moves back to right tackle, which isn’t exactly a good thing for the tackle or guard position on the right side.

by Fooch on Oct 28, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maiocco said:

on twitter:
Vet Barry Sims, who played 2nd half at RT vs. Texans, will be first tackle off 49ers sideline on either side.

Think he means Sims is the backup for LT and RT? Sing seems to think if Rachal (RG) loosens up a little and they help him with “one particular stunt” that he’ll be fine. He played great, especially in the run game, last year when given a chance. Lord knows we at least need to be able to run block!

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok here is my take

for me i see two main keys for the 49ers. 1. there offensive line and how they play against the pass rush of freeney, and mathis mixed with some sanders on rush plays. and 2. Alex smith was or was it not a fluke last week? i think thats a big question is he going to be consistant or really struggle. and ill add how will the recieveing corp do particularly crabtree not that they have seen a little of him.

although personaly i dont think the colts will have trouble i am keeping an eye out for what the status is of our recieving corp (wayne) who i think will be ok. and a worry in donald brown.

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Oct 28, 2009 2:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much sums it up

1) Didn’t Freeney hurt his quad? I know Colts pass rush is going to get its sacks on us. Addition of Sanders; does that help or hurt if he’s not full up? Heard he did not play that much last week.
2) A.Smith. We’re standing by with you as well to find out if it’s the second coming or somebody just had the best week ever…
Concur that the Colts should not have trouble. I think we all knew Houston-Indy-Green Bay at Lambeau would be a tough stretch for the Niners.
I just hope Gore gets off Sunday. That would be fantastic. Good luck to your team and ours.

Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!

by dartdart on Oct 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Freeney hurt his quad

and was expected to be out 2-4 weeks IIRC, but in the end he played the following week, registering at least one sack (maybe 2?). He’ll be in there – he’s a beast.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Oct 28, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea the got hurt three weeks ago played the following game at limited reps but last week

was back full time so he is perfectly good and having a great if not career year

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Oct 28, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I can answer the first one for you

The offensive line will no doubt play abysmally, like they have in every other game. Obviously going against your terrific pass rush will just make things worse. The football outsiders guys were debating this week ine their “Audibles at the Line” article whether the Niners O-line was the worst positional unit in the league. That’d be worst of any position, not just the worst O-line.

The second question is not as clear, but we’re hoping Alex’s performance wasn’t a complete fluke.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two questions:

What is Gore’s physical status? I know he was hurt, not seriously, a few weeks ago…. I see a lot of griping above about pass blocking, but how about the run blocking? Colts fans are always concerned about stud runners hammering us.

And Fooch said the niners CAN win it is a lot goes right… well, what’s that scenario? What do your guys have to do right and our guys have to do wrong to make Sunday a night to celebrate in SF?

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Oct 28, 2009 3:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Gore should be 100% healthy now. He missed two games and had a bye week to boot. For one reason or another he just couldn’t get it going against the Texans though the 49ers became pass-happy in the second half. Looking for Gore to do well providing the Colts make some adjustments to Alex Smith and respect the passing game just a little bit.

As for what needs to go right? Well.. We need Alex Smith to play like he did in the second half of Sunday’s loss to the Texans for an entire four quarters, we need Frank Gore to make it hard for the defense to fall back in coverage and open up the way for Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis. We’d need Patrick Willis or any other defensive player to come up big with a turnover and we’d need Takeo Spikes and Michael Lewis to not be hurt too bad to play.

As for what the Colts need to do wrong? Not much, necessarily. It’d be nice to see Dwight Freeney lose a step and not punish the 49ers line too much and maybe if Peyton Manning sleeps in my accident and doesn’t show up to the game.

by Ninjames on Oct 28, 2009 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Ninjames and will add..

That for me I will celebrate and run around screaming “I can’t believe we did it!!” if we win. But in realistic terms without kool-aid in my cup I would be happy to see Alex Smith play his heart out and be able to keep up with Manning enough to where I wouldn’t turn off the tv and walk away with 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter lol…. As long as we keep it an exciting game with no injuries on both sides I’ll celebrate =)

by StevenC on Oct 28, 2009 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kool-aid connection
But in realistic terms without kool-aid in my cup I would be happy to see…

This is totally random and kind of dark, but I just realized that our two cities are forever connected in history by the fact that both Indy and San Francisco were home to “The People’s Church” where Jim Jones did his thang with the kool-aid. So sad…and weird.

@lefpsyd

by lefpsyd on Oct 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THAT is weird. I had no idea of the Indy connection

Creepy topic; I wonder how many people even get the Kool-Aid reference…. It was about 30 years ago now.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Oct 29, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

The kool-aid reference is a mere figure of speech to most people anymore, but what a tragic and ridiculous history. And there is a piece of Hoosier history I’d rather not have.

by coltsfanawalt on Oct 29, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There ya go!

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Oct 29, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never forget your ancient Greek history!

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Oct 29, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was a kid when that happened...

and I remember it well. Something that tragic and outrageous just gets burned into one’s brain, I suppose.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Oct 29, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds painful.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This video right here has produced one of my favorite lines ever. It was so awesome that there has been 2 sequels. One where you must put a banana in your ear, and another where you must grab their tongues. Purely awesome.

by Cassieper on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

look up "Jonestown Cult"

it was awful. Similarly, I can’t see a pair of black Nike shoes without thinking of Haley’s Comet.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Oct 29, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No,

I already knew about the Jonestown thing. I was talking about burning something into your brain. That’s what sounded painful to me.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This video right here has produced one of my favorite lines ever. It was so awesome that there has been 2 sequels. One where you must put a banana in your ear, and another where you must grab their tongues. Purely awesome.

by Cassieper on Oct 29, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah - yes well that sounds painful

but I don’t believe the brain has pain receptors so it might not be all that bad – lol

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Oct 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um.

Figuratively. I should have been clear Herr Cass. lol

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Oct 29, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what needs to go right?

The same thing for any football team…but all things we’ve shown the ability to do this year.

Pressure: See game one vs. Arizona. We have the ability to pass rush and force turnovers…we just haven’t been consistent at it.

No big plays. Clements (our “shutdown” corner) has done well against strong receivers but not fast ones. Shawntae Spencer is the faster corner and did a nice job agains A.Johnson last week until AJ went out with the bruised lung. Daniels got behind the safeties last week…how that happened…I’m gonna guess Mark Roman…of whom we’re not real fond. He’s playing because Michael Lewis has had 3 concussions this year already.

Stop the Run: Something we’ve really done well all year. Our front 7 is phenomenal.

Offensively:

Block! Our line has had a hard time doing anything this year. As was mentioned hopefully A.SMith can sprint out, roll-out, use shotgun spread formations, etc. in order to get the defense on its’ heels a little more so we can focus on run blocking without having more defenders than blockers.

Get open. Crabtree and V.Davis have shown they can do this. Crabtree has also shown me, in my opinion, the ability to snatch the ball out of the air whether a bad throw, in coverage, etc. V.Davis is a stud and his combination of size, speed, and hands make him a beast to cover for anyone.

Hitting Open guys in passing game. Can A.Smith get these guys the ball…even if under pressure? He’s shown happy feet in the pocket before and sometimes sprints out and then forces it or throws it away. We’ll take the throw aways…dont force it, no sacks. If Smith can play like that, we’ll be very competitive.

Special Teams! Has been a nightmare of late. Fumbled returns have cost us scores in the last two games. That’s inexcusable. I’m hoping Singletary had the ST guys doing so many reps they’ll not let us down again.

So like I said, pretty much the recipe for success for any team and all things we’re capable of doing…just haven’t seemed to do all of them in many games thus far.

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe I'm jut feeling very cynical today

but I’m starting to think Gore is never going to be 100% healthy ever again. Seems like one or both of his ankles are always a little bit dinged up. And aside from two big runs against the seahawks he hasn’t done much of anything this season – of course the blame for that goes mostly to the abysmal OL

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 28, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all

If your the same Bobman on FO, let me just say you are a great commenter. I always enjoy reading what you have to say. If your not him, well I’m sure your still a great commenter! ;-)

But no, you have nothing to worry about with regards to the O-line. They don’t get any push in the run game, they’re arguably as bad as they are at pass blocking.

What would it take for the Niners to win? Well, Alex Smith would have to play like he did last week for one. The O-line needs to at least give him somewhat of a chance, as the Niners will likely be passing a lot. The front 7 is the best unit on the team but they need to pressure Manning, always tough to do. And the secondary probably needs to find a way to get a pick or two somehow. It will be tough, that’s for sure.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 28, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I am he and I prefer the term “commental.” For obvious reasons and because, like Mike Singletary, I motivate people by dropping trou. Usually it only motivates them to tighten the handcuffs and shove me into a squad car. But I digress….

I used to essentially live at FO, back when about 50-100 of us commented; it was like a family reunion every night, arguing and agreeing and going back and forth (and me taking it in the shorts hourly because of the Colts/Pats imbalance back in 03/04—I bet at least 75 comments on the Thread Not To Be Named are either from me or aimed at me). It’s really grown up a lot and I spend less time there; partially because I am busy with work and kids, partially because I’ve discovered sites like this and 18to88.com where people are just as passionate, as well-informed, and slightly less prepared to throw down the gloves and brawl.

Oh, and here fans of other teams come and go and actually discuss stuff, rather than argue.

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by Bobman on Oct 29, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The Thread Not To Be Named?"

Now why do you just dangle something like that in front of me? That’s just mean.

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by Cassieper on Oct 29, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was

The Manning vs. Brady debate.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man,

I still can’t find it. Stupid FO search engine……

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by Cassieper on Oct 29, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:

Here’s a link to the second part of the thread. The first part of the thread is linked there but it doesn’t seem to work, that’s the major part. Anyway, your not missing too much anyways. Well I suppose maybe you are because your a Colts fan so you probably care a lot about which guy is considered better, but I doubt any of the debates within will change your mind.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 29, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a titanic waste of time

on par with sporcle.com, but much funnier (if not as rewarding)…. confusing enough?

Aaron started it when just about every ordinary thread was being taken over by what was later called the Peytom Branning debate. Audibles was hijacked. A MNF thread about a Bears-Packers game was somehow taken over by it. Must have been maddening to Aaron—in some ways it helped fuel their popularity, and in other ways undermined it. he handled it well.

In the discussions, I would comb through stats to support my case, 18’s and 12’s performance on 1st down, 2nd down, 3rd, 4th, 4th qtr, last 2 minutes of a game, etc, and get responses along the lines of “once a choker always a choker” and “It’s all about the Lombardi’s, man.” Yes, there was rational debate, but a lot of it was along the lines of “my girlfriend’s prettier than yours.” It once crashed their old server, and as it neared/hit 1,000 comments (some of which were LONG—okay, mine, because I was responding to about a dozen at a time) they either created a second thread or it died down until a couple years later when they met in a major mid-seson game of the century and fired up #2—just like that they were up to 500+ comments in the new thread.

Maybe I should archive it to read when I retire in 25 years…. No time now. Ah, but the memories…..

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by Bobman on Oct 29, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree

FO is still a great site though, even if I disagree with some of their conclusions and opinions. But SB and 18to88 are both great Colts sites.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 29, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Singletary

Hes got to be my favourite coach in the NFL right now, I love that guy, and Ive been secretly rooting for the 49ers all year, until now of course. Whats the general consensus of fans on big Mike? Are you glad he became the head coach? Seems to me you could quite easily be 5 -1 right now, so he must be doing something right.

by ColtsUK on Oct 28, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Approval Rating

Better than Obama’s

Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!

by dartdart on Oct 28, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sing

His approval rating is still very high, although many are starting to waiver their faith in Mike. The bland offense, lack of quality O-Lineman brought in during the off-season, some time management/timeout mis-use issues…but I’d mainly say it’s just fans being fans.

Funny isn’t it that teams that struggle always change coaches and eventually they get in the habit of believing it’s all about getting the right guy…right now! We need to give him a good 3 years I say. And fans need to temper their expectations. It’s hard to go worst to first, bad to good, etc. in a year. And sometimes, it’s just a matter of everything going your way…luck if you will.

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we pretty much love Coach Sing

although I think we can all agree he still has plenty to learn about game-management. Also, the OC is a question mark. But Sing has shown that he has the balls to make changes and is not afraid to bench people – he also seems like he’s willing to make big adjustments to the game plan. He’s obviously a good motivator and he’s taught this team to be pretty tough – although that hasn’t shown up as much in the last few weeks. I think we’re a little disappointed in how unprepared the team looked coming off a bye week. So we support Mike but we see room for growth.

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 28, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Most people still love Coach Sing.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 28, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

49ers Pass Rush?

Seems to me you have to find a way to get to Manning and I’m curious as to your thoughts. How would you rate your pass rush? Where does it come from? Do you have to manufacture the rush with fire-zone blitz type stuff?

by Merr on Oct 28, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We don’t have any single big time pass rushers, but a few that can get pressure.

Justin Smith won’t get many sacks, but he is relentless and will force Manning to move around a bit at the very least.

We haven’t seen many bring the house type blitz’s at all.

by Dave R. on Oct 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our pass rush looked great

against the Rams!

Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!

by dartdart on Oct 28, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The pass rush seemed to come

from Willis and Lawson alot against the Texans.

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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Linebackers

They are our pass rushers. Interestingly enough P.Willis was rushing a lot more against Houston. Generally it’s been Haralson and Lawson from the outside…both of whom have shown flashes of being good pass rushers. Our front 3 are very tough, physical, and relentless though. If Abrayo Franklin (Nose), can command a double team on any play…the rush should be very good. Unfortunately we can’t bring the house because our secondary is still finding it’s identity.

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's alright

The best pass rusher is Justin Smith, which is ironic because he plays DE, which obviously is not your typical pass rushing spot in a 3-4. Parys Haralson and Manny Lawson are both young and have potential but neither has been all that good rushing the passer this year.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 28, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who right now

is the 49ers fan whipping boy, either warranted or unwarranted? What has the player/coach done to be hated so much by the fans?

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by Cassieper on Oct 28, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d go with the guards and RT whoever has been playing it at the time =/

We’ve had some shuffling along the line trying to find a setup that is at least average the last few weeks.

I’m hoping Smith’s far better selling of a play fake will at least take a step out of the rush so he has a chance.

by Dave R. on Oct 28, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Raye.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate Clements for less-than-stellar coverage at “shut-down” corner.

Both Guards and RT.

Jimmy Raye for the offense struggling.

Mark Roman for seeming to get beat at safety a lot.

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although

Roman made a huge play against the Texans in the 4th quarter, deflecting a pass on third down that would have gone for a first down.

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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he did something that he is expected to do for once?

That’s not a big play so much as him doing his job.

by Ninjames on Oct 28, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he was on the blitz

we had the right play called, but he got a finger on the ball. He didn’t play too poorly against the Texans is all I’m sayin.

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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he didn't..

But there’s times when he does make smart plays. Sometimes he’ll save one drive and then sometimes he’ll lose us an entire game. I wont be fooled again, the team needs to let Mark Roman walk at the end of this season.

by Ninjames on Oct 28, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats understandable.

Willis and Lawson are building blocks of a great defense.

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by CFHTim on Oct 28, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Druckenmiller

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye

Gets a lot of hate. So do most of the offensive lineman and safety Mark Roman (although he’s not a full-time starter), but more deservedly so if you ask me.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 28, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more question

Do you think the OL poses enough of a problem it merrits a first round pick? If so with Carolina’s first round pick which will surely be in the top ten who would you like to snag?

by Sanders_fan89 on Oct 28, 2009 10:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but not Carolina’s, our LT is pretty good and it’s his 2nd year in the spot so he’s only improving. Our latter 1st rounder could be used on a RT and I’d be very happy.

The early 1st I’d like to see a pass rusher, or maybe a safety that can blow things up. I’m hoping we won’t need to use the pick on a QB. If Smith works out, we can get Nate Davis comfortable, he’s shown a bit in his first pre-season and could be good.

by Dave R. on Oct 28, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely

needs to be addressed, but might be better through free agency. Agree with Dave R. I would not use the Carolina pick. I hope we combine the picks and get a premier player.

Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!

by dartdart on Oct 28, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that it would warrant a first round pick. It is really bad right now.

However, like I said above, I really don’t have a lot of faith in our front office to scout a decent offensive lineman. They’ve shown some epic fail in both the draft and free agency over the last few years.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m thinking we trade down on Carolina’s pick, use ours for Eric Berry/Taylor Mays or a stud pass-rusher, and then take one of the better RG/RT’s with a late first rounder. Probably pick up an extra second rounder as well where we could hope to find another O-Lineman to bring along.

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would use both of our picks on Offensive Linemen

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right

we need to get some hogs in here. I think between SIng and Manusky we can motivate the guys we have on defense to become playmakers…so I have to agree with you. I was just hoping maybe we could get a jewell lineman in the early 2nd, as well as the first…so we could use the carolina pick or our first to get a playmaker on defense.

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that could be a good strategy also

obviously we’ll have plenty of time to debate this over on NN, but I think – to answer the question here – yes OL is enough of a concern to use a first round pick next year

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OL

The OL is probably the biggest weakness on the team at this point. I think Joe Staley can be a rock on the line, but they need some more help long term at the tackle position. The question is what kind of money you’re willing to spend. I say find the answer and take care of it. You don’t want to break the bank, but you’re gonna have to pay up for some talent.

by Fooch on Oct 28, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree, a year too late

I know the draft took a weird turn with Crabtree available, but we should have tried a heck of a lot harder in free agency then Marvel Smith and Tony Pashos…although if we had both now we would be in decent shape depth wise…but still not much more than stop-gap.

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

It definitely warrants a first round pick, the line is pathetic. i like Brian Bulaga personally, but it’s still early.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 28, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So does Shake.

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by Cassieper on Oct 29, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

He’s been repping him a lot on Mocking the Draft. :-)

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not that he needs it over there

Dan is probably bigger on him than I am, since he’s had some struggles coming back from the thyroid issue.

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by shake n bake on Oct 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blitzing

an earlier person commented about you get your pass rush from the lbs. Does that create problems covering the TE?

by sandsnake on Oct 28, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

more generally, i guess, where do you struggle in pass coverage?

by sandsnake on Oct 28, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bend dont break

is what I would say we do mostly as a secondary. However our safeties seem to be out of position sometimes. As to your question about blitzing LB’s…we are a 3-4 defense so we have to bring at least one LB to get reasonable pressure, otherwise it’s a 3 man rush…which rarely creates pressure.

We’ve had trouble as I said in man coverage on the corners with missed tackles and lack of adequate safety help.

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Safeties Deep!

Man I hated seeing Daniels catch that pass with NO ONE behind him.

Clark is going to be a problem…we should just give him the underneath stuff, period. He’s too fast and shifty for any LB to cover. Let Goldson stay over the top and take the deep away from the middle, where Clark likes to run free.

I’m thinking maybe Clements on Garcon/Collie and let Spencer handle Wayne. I know Nate is supposed to be our cover corner but Spencer did a great job on the speedy A.J. Clements got burnt bad by Roddy White.

Lewis is back, that’s good. We’ll need him to knock heads around and keep the receivers hearing footsteps.

by Tre9er on Oct 28, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you better think about

adding one more person to cover Wayne maybe even 2 lol this guy will tear you up on man to man and even sometimes in double. Dallas Clark will do the same thing. Go back and watch highlights of the game last week against the Rams and just watch as Clark catches one of the most perfectly placed balls while in double coverage for a TD. I dont know much about the 49ers secondary or their Defense in general, but I believe your gonna have your hands full. Because when you play against Peyton Manning…everyone is open, even when they are covered.

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by coltsfan723 on Oct 28, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

peyton will throw for about 400 yards against us

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

400 yards huh?

well thats fine by me…he can make up for the yards he didnt get last week against the Rams. Not that he needed them, cause the Colts were just playing great football all around.

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by coltsfan723 on Oct 28, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me, Man to Man is not what we want

But man under with a 2-deep safety zone is going to happen at times because of the pass rush. I’m more worried about Peyton picking apart a full zone, like a cover 2, than I am against man under, although I’d be crazy if I didn’t think he can throw guys open in man coverage too.

My point is that I want Spencer on the side of the faster receiver and clements to play on the side of the stronger guy…in those situations.

Really none of the coverage matters unless we’re chasing Peyton down. Our rushers need to also get a rush up the middle. Peyton is comfortable in a pocket with outside pressure. Our guys have been pushed to the outside on rushes a lot this year.

by Tre9er on Oct 29, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was Maiocco that broke down the coverage in the Texan’s game that showed Nate locked down Johnson at the line. Not sure how strong Reggie is, but if Nate can pull that off again it would help a lot :)

by Dave R. on Oct 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that may be true

last week we gave up a ton of yards to the Houston TE – but generally we keep the WRs fairly quiet (Roddy White being the exception)

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by wjackalope on Oct 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TE coverage

The folks above have pretty much nailed it. I think they’re trying for a bend but don’t break defense that gives up RB and TE receiving yards, but not big stuff over the top. I don’t think 100+ yards like they gave up to Owen Daniels is quite what they’re looking for. Manny Lawson will supply some of the coverage on Dallas Clark, with Dashon Goldson probably helping out as well. I’m curious to see how Clark performs.

by Fooch on Oct 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The deep safety approach generally works (to some extent) against Manning

Because he plays it smart and avoids having his WRs decapitated or his passes intercepted deep. Sometimes frustrating for fans who really want to see a 50 yarder, but hey, it’s the smart play.
Now while it limits the big plays, it does not stop Manning, of course, as he says “fine, I’ll take the 5-15 yarders all day.” Last week is an example, along with 2006, 2006, 2007….. The trick is then for the D to step up and stop a pretty slick passing game, and for our guys to not drop balls. But as always, if you force a team to make ten short plays instead of one huge one, there is always the possiblity of a fumble, INT, penalty to kill drives….
I am always a little nervous about teams I just don’t follow (NFC generally and AFC bottom-feeders), so I am feeling reassured hearing about the SF OL. It’s such an important unit and our DL should be able to disrupt the passing game in particular.

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by Bobman on Oct 29, 2009 2:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How will Alex Smith do?

I’m interested to see how the new starter for the 49ers does. The Texans are better than they once were. So seeing the 49ers make a comeback like that does concern me. However, with him being so new it also makes me wonder if there will be some miscues between him and the receivers that the Colts can take advantage of. The 49ers are a good team, but if the Colts play well I think it is a game that they should win.

by ColtsFanInEnemyTerritory on Oct 29, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Colts definitely should win

It would be a big upset if they didn’t obviously. There were some miscommunications between the QB and the receivers even when Shaun Hill was starting so I imagine that will be a bit of a problem. But Alex at least has a lot more arm strength than Hill and s willing to throw downfield more often, which should help stretch the defense a little bit. One of Coach Sing’s quotes last week was (paraphrasing), “Teams were stacking 8.5 men in the box, sometimes 9, so that was a problem”.

by Brendan Scolari on Oct 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to tell

I honestly don’t know what to expect from Alex Smith. I’d like to think last Sunday was a sign of things to come for him, but obviously one can’t project one half out to the rest of the season with any real confidence. I do think Smith is in an infinitely better position now than he was two years ago when he was last healthy. At this point, any guesses would be just that, guesses.

But that doesn’t mean I’m not excited.

by Fooch on Oct 30, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Montana vs. Manning

Who would you rather have as your QB?

by shoein on Oct 29, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In any situation, with any supporting cast?

God, will this paint me as a complete homer I suspect, but I think Manning can do more (especially since he’s 15 years younger!).

I am trying to run through situations where I might change my mind, or may have a few years ago (2 minute drill down by 5, 4th and long, last play of a big game, etc) and really cannot come up with one where I’d clearly say Joe. For better or worse, I grew up on the east coast and didn’t see the niners too much, except of course in really big games, where Joe shone pretty well. And as a lifelong Cowboys hater, I really liked the niners during their rise to supremacy.

But still… 18 over 16.

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by Bobman on Oct 30, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This should be the new debate...

The 18 vs that guy in NE debate is over. Is Peyton the G.o.A.T.? At the moment, i think Montana still holds that distinction in my mind but Peyton is closing fast. This year especially, the guy just doesn’t miss. I was still pretty young when Montana played, so I don’t have a terrific basis for comparison. If Peyton retires holding every major passing mark (which seems very possible) I don’t know that you can argue against him.

by invisibulman on Oct 30, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting debate

Peyton Manning probably is the more physically gifted player. And he’s certainly gotten over the hump of “winning the big one.” I can’t even begin to imagine what he would have done with Jerry Rice and company. Of course, I don’t know how many 49ers fans you could get to admit they’d take Manning over Montana. I think down the road though it’s a debate worth having, when things aren’t quite so intense as the week of a head-to-head matchup.

by Fooch on Oct 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Take.

Montana is the best multiple SB winning QB, hands down.
Manning is the best 0-1 SB winning QB, hands down.
If Manning wins another, well I think that makes him the best, hands down.
My only real knock against the 49ers (and Steelers, too) is that they did what they did BEFORE free agency.
It makes what the Colts have done that much more amazing.

by vintagephoenix on Oct 31, 2009 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

0-1

did you mean 1-0, or 1-win?

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Oct 31, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None or one.

or Zero to one.
Sorry if it wasn’t clear.

by vintagephoenix on Oct 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah - thx

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Oct 31, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free agency sure changed things for teams.

But in both systems, a great QB would need to get lucky to land on the right team to do well. Montana needed a team with money; Manning needed a team with a great scouting system. Both QB’s were/are surrounded with great talent; it just took slightly different processes to get them there.

by shoein on Oct 31, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the point I'm trying to make is...

…that it was far easier to keep a winning roster together. Montana’s lucky break was Bill Walsh. Truly, the finest football mind of his era, Walsh was what made SF work. Plus, that defense has never gotten enough credit.

by vintagephoenix on Nov 1, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

( not talking to those fans that are respectull)_but

i must now say that some of those texans fans were right about a few of thes 49er fans sad. anyway since they say i say it we will crush them and they have no chance what so ever. they are a horrible team and we will win 40-0.
///// giving them what they claim is so

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

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