When Gonzo returns...
by BigBlueShoe on Oct 8, 2009 11:18 AM EDT
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The injury to Anthony Gonzalez in Week One was a bit of a blessing in disguise. While losing a wide receiver who averaged 17 yards a catch is never a "good" thing, Gonzo's injury forced young receivers Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie into more playing time. The injury also seemed to push Bill Polian to sign former Eagles receiver Hank Baskett. Baskett has played a majority on special teams, where he normally excels. However, if an injury should befall Garcon or Collie, Baskett has had three weeks to absorb the Colts offense without the pressure of having to play right now.
What this means is that when Gonzalez returns to the active lineup after recovering from his MCL sprain, the Colts will having one of the better young receiving corps in this league.
Gonzo will likely return after the bye week, which follows Sunday night's game against the Titans. When he returns, it is likely that he will work again in the slot until the team thinks he is healthy enough to start again. This means Garcon will get moved back into his back-up role, and we will see less of Collie as the slot receiver.
I'm not sure I like this scenario.
Collie has developed into a good option at slot. Prior to his outstanding TD grab against the Seahawks, all of his previous catches (8 in total) were for first downs. That kind of production is exactly what you want from your slot receiver. He moves the chains.
For Garcon, I don't mean this as a knock on Gonzalez, but he is currently the best big play receiver the Colts have. Gonzo is certainly capable of making big plays (remember his catch and run for a TD against the Chargers in the 2007 playoffs?), but we haven't seen the kind of breakaway speed Garcon has showcased in recent weeks since a young Marvin Harrison was catching 80 yard TD passes from a 25-year-old Peyton Manning.
Gonzo's strength is yards after catch. Garcon's strength is deep speed and separation. He is also VERY physical as a blocker in the run game. Again, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think that Garcon is a better wide receiver than Gonzo is. And, if that is the case, how can Caldwell sit Garcon in favor of Gonzo?
The other factor in all of this is Peyton Manning. The guy loves Gonzo. We learned recently about Manning's dedication in helping a then-rookie Gonzalez back in 2007. From USA Today:
Many expected the 4-0 Colts to take a step back without [former coach Tony] Dungy and veteran receiver Marvin Harrison and with Gonzalez sidelined by a sprained knee since Week 1."Peyton has tons of ability, but really his preparation is why Peyton's great," Dungy said. "I remember Anthony Gonzalez's rookie year, he couldn't come over to practice with us until June.
"Peyton drove over twice a week to Columbus to throw with Anthony. That's the type of preparation people can't really appreciate, the extra time he spends bringing those young guys along as quick as he has."
Obviously, this issue of re-working Gonzo back into the mix is not that much of a "problem." Hell, it's the kind of problem just about every team in the NFL would like to have. But it is something to keep noted when Gonzo returns after the bye week.
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I think I’ll wait till year end to make a determination on Garcon being better than Gonzo. I love Garcon’s physical play, but it is a skosh early yet to start making these kind of judgements. I do LOVE the depth at receiver regardless. Baskett is an intiguing guy also, yes?
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And like Garcon, Baskett is a damn fine run blocker. More goal line packages with him in there, maybe?
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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 8, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Play both.
The Colts (specifically Moore) would prefer to run 3 wide anyway. It makes matching up to Clark a nightmare. In addition, it’ll open up more run lanes. Tell me Wes Welker isn’t the #2 guy on NE and plays the slot any time they have 3 WR. Gonzo’s precise routes will be tough for a #3 DB to match, so they’ll have to put the #3 DB on Garcon and a LB on Clark.
If the S play deep, run, if they move up pass. Easy for a QB the quality of Manning.
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by Music Man on Oct 8, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather of Reggie in the slot, with Garcon and Gonzo outside.
total matchup nightmare and Gonzo’s played very well on the outside so far in his career.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still waiting for my dream lineup:
Gonzo and Garcon split out wide on complete opposite ends of the field, Reggie and Clark both in the slot (Reggie on Gonzo’s side and Clark on Garcon’s side), and Addai in the backfield as a pass blocker with the option of going out to catch a pass if no pressure/blitz comes.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I’d rather keep Reggie outside because Reggie is really effective outside. I wouldn’t want to lose that.
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 8, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's really effective in the slot too
He’s been playing the slot in the 3 WR set quite a bit since 2008. That sick 1 handed TD he had was coming from the slot with Garcon on the outside to his side.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Reggie isn’t quite as effective in the slot as he is in the outside. I just wouldn’t want to lose his outside abilities by playing him inside full time.
Here’s what I mean; I’d take the greater over the great (if that made any sense lol)
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 8, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't decide if I'm so enamored by Garcon because,
he’s Just That Good, or because it was so surprising the way he came in and really stepped up.
I love what Dungy had to say about Peyton’s dedication. I mean for him to drive to Ohio to throw footballs with a rookie is just amazing to me. THAT’S why the Colts haven’t missed a beat this season.
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by Indy Lori on Oct 8, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it has a lot to do with Garcon's
raw speed. It’s been a long time since we’ve seen our receivers catch a ball and then outrun the entire secondary.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the straight arm....
I love this guys habit of trying to lay some wood as opposed to folding up or going down to avoid a hit. Dude has planted guys three times that I have seen.
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison used to do the going down to avoid a hit thing. Drove me nuts.
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by Indy Lori on Oct 8, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie does it too
hey it kept Marvin healthy. His injury came when blocking not from a hit in the receiving game.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True,
but I can do without that attitude he has. No need for unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peyton had a talk with him about THAT!
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by Indy Lori on Oct 8, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give him a break this time
youthfull exhuberance. No more though…..I HATE bush behavior.
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's too early...
… and remember, Garcon has dropped a few passes. This isn’t a knock on Pierre; rather, I’m just trying to say that we need to keep our expectations in check. Gonzo’s produced in important games; Pierre is starting to, but “Important” means divisional and playoff games. We’ve yet to see what Garcon has to contribute when the stakes are that high.
On the other hand, I do absolutely looooooove the fact that Garcon has shown enough to where this is even a debate. Plus, Garcon’s not been “important game” tested yet because he’s not played that much before. He will have the opportunity to prove himself, and he’s shown enough to where it’s a good, safe bet that he will. That’s good to the nth degree!
This is a good receivers year for the Colts, lemme tell ya. When I can post something that says “Let’s see Garcon do in big games what he’s been doing so far”, you know you got it good!
by aldctjoc on Oct 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and maybe they will just rotate
It would be great to be able to see these guys all rotate in and out and have all kinds of different alignments. You can give defenses fits.
It will be really interesting to see this weekend how the young receivers do against TEN very porous pass defense…
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by bluegirl on Oct 8, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like you said
it’s a great problem to have. But, the team is experiencing phenomenal chemistry right now. I almost hate the thought of altering that. I agree, I think Garcon is the second best WR on the team, from what I’ve seen so far. The Colts receivers are by far the best in the NFL. And Peyton will make the receivers that are on the field look like stars….regardless of whether it’s Reggie, Austin, Pierre, Gonzo, Hank, Dallas, or any combination thereof.
by Ayrshire on Oct 8, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've already said the same thing
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/10/4/1069047/five-things-i-think-i-know-week-4
5th comment down
He is simply altering the defense with his speed on the outside, and that to me is as much a big reason why the Colts are so efficient on offense. Collie and Garcon are both faster than Gonzo, but Gonzo is a huge YAC guy.
My preference is that they rotate Collie and Gonzo in the slot and continue to leave Garcon and Wayne on the outsides. This offers huge playmakers on the outside, while still leaving Clark and Collie/Gonzo on the inside. Almost 2004 all over again…
Also, to tim55…
Gonzo came in his rookie year and performed VERY well under fire when Marvin went down. He came back the next year to perform even better despite losing some catches because of Marvin being back. This is Garcon’s second year in the offense. What you are seeing is what happens when a guy finally can get on the field and perform.
People are so quick to forget that guys on the bench can easily be as great as a guy starting. Tom Brady, sat behind a Pro Bowler in Drew Bledsoe…and look who has had the better career… however it took a serious injury for Brady to even get on the field as QB. Sometimes players get shafted like that…even if they are “better”
by DevilsReject on Oct 8, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd also like to add..
That Garcon was drafted as a potential replacement for Harrison, not the slot receiver spot. Gonzo had been drafted to replace the oft-injured Stokely…and was already set to go in that role prior to Harrison’s knee injury…
by DevilsReject on Oct 8, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's true
if that had been the case I expect he’d have gotten the same TC/Preseason treatment his rookie year as Collie has, playing and practicing the vast majority of the time in the slot. Gonzo was all over the field and was playing on the outside most of his rookie year.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if Gonzo was suppose to be Stokely Jr. we'd have never seen Reggie playing in the slot while Gonzo was outside
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wasn't that due to 88's injury?
That was my impression. I don’t know if it was absorbed from the media (whose opinions may not always be right!!!), or something I actually read from Polian/Dungy/Manning….
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by Bobman on Oct 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't really matter what he was drafted for since it's how they've begun to use him that really matters
but I think he was meant to play the slot until Marvin moved on (he was getting up there in years even if his production didn’t slip until the knee injury).
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Gonzo was meant to play slot until Marvin's injury
I remember reading the article right after Gonzo’s pick in that draft. Heck, even the title said that Gonzo was going to be Stokely’s replacement.
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 8, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pierre will stay on the outside i think..
Austin Collie will be backup and Gonzo will be put primarily in the slot
by ColtKing on Oct 8, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because of NFL's racial profiling
white WR = slot reciever (except Gonzo excels both outside and in the slot)
white RB = full back (though Peyton Hillis served admirably for the Broncos last year)
black QB = “athletic quarterback” (for anti-example see Byron Leftwich, John Elway)
It’s easier to pegionhole guys based on their color than actually talk about their skills
by jedye on Oct 8, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also see Jacob Hester for white RBs
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
black and unathletic.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with big horse teeth
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 9, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we come in all shades ;-)
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by KMR24 on Oct 9, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The slot/outside thing was my impression as well
At least for Gonzo. Did not hear that Garcon was a “replacement” for 88.
I think some of us might be forgetting how good Gonzo is and how Garcon’s unknown quality gives a talented guy an edge on the D that is underestimating him. (Like when a new QB comes in and there’s no “book” on him for a few games) Let’s see how he looks weeks 10-17. He should be fine, but the Ds will probably deal with him differently if he keeps having his early success.
I really like all our guys, I mean really, but think they still rank (in terms of production potential) 87, 11, 44, 85, 17. That’s not to deingrate 85, because the top three there are all capable of 85/1,000 seasons. He may well be too. Holy crap—4 1,000 yd receivers? I need to sit down for a moment.
I think our rushing was best in recent years out of the 3-WR sets (understandably), so let’s sit one of the TEs and get the most firepower on the field. 87 and 85 wide, 11 in the slot, 44 flexed, 29/31 deep. Quite intimidating (so long as the OL holds up). Jeez, is it Sunday yet?
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by Bobman on Oct 8, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Garcon was drafted originally to return, but anyway
I would think that Robinson really needs to be benched with 87, 11, 85 playing as receivers (with 17 and 81 rotating in every now and then and rotating all the players around to give each of them a break), 44 as the TE.
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 8, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought Reggie was drafted to replace Harrison
not Garcon?
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2004 all over again and may be...
If Brown can break a few big runs for TD’s we are 2004 all over again with the ability to break long runs… aka hard to stop (being very humble)
For all of this to work this nicely… we need home field… I cant see this style of play being very effective in the Snow… That is the only reason we didnt win in 2004. Its hard to play a certain way all year and then say… Now lets go and pound the ball… That is why we need to keep the pressure on and continue to win these games.
DID SOMEONE SAY CHAMPIONSHIP
by BROWNdude on Oct 8, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't argue that.........
But does that mean I can’t have an opinion? I think it’s too soon to make that kind of judgement, OK?
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh who says Collie is faster than Gonzo?
Collie is the slowest receiver on the roster. He ran a 4.6 on the combine, remember? Gonzo ran a 4.4.
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 8, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez is fast
I don’t know why people have gotten the idea he isn’t (well actually I think it’s because he was pigeonholed as a slot guy early and doesn’t have much melanin).
4.45 at the combine and just watch what he can do with the ball in his hands (plus you don’t average 17 yards a catch in a decent sample size if you’re slow).
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
Yeah I agree with you there. Gonzo also probably has the best hands in the receiving corps if you don’t count Reggie. And I don’t understand why a lot of people are saying bench this guy, bench that guy, blah blah. What’s wrong with playing all of them? For example, Gonzo, Garcon, and Reggie could start with Clark (while Baskett and Collie rotate in)
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 8, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess white boys can run. :-)
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT GONZALEZ ISN'T WHITE DUHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
/response I get every time I make a joke about people thinking Gonzo is slow because he’s white.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hispanics are classified as white...........
Latino is a culture, not a race.
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Then why do the surveys and standardized tests always ask you to select white, not hispanic or hispanic? They are considered minorities just like blacks and Asians, so I guess Gonzo isn’t white. lol
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's interesting
wouldn’t it make more sense (as much sense as the pretty arbitrary racial classifications do) for them to be included in the same category as Native Americans rather than Caucasians if they aren’t getting their own group.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell,
I don’t know…….I’m just makin trouble.
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm glad you admitted that you makin trouble ;-)
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
NO ETHNIC’ING AROUND, YOU’RE INSULTING MY SENSE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!!
Btw, his name is Gonzalez and his family is from the Miami area? Could have sworn he was catholic irish.
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, i see my sarcasm wasn’t thick enough :D
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help but smile
when I think of the matchup problems the Colts will be able to create when Gonzo is back. The great thing about our receivers are they all add a different dimension to the passing game. As some have noted, how will a team defend Wayne and Garcon on the outside while dealing with Gonzo/Collie in the slot and Clark as TE. It would be a nightmare.
Another thing that will help is the flexibility of Wayne and Gonzo. Both can play outside or in the slot. In some cases the Colts will have Wayne in the slot with Garcon and Gonzo on the outside. Again, this would be hell for a defense.
I guess my point is that I love having this “problem.”
by CDECK on Oct 8, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
We will be able to tailor our lineup to other teams. Against a heavy-blitzing team like the Jets where Peyton has to get rid of the ball quickly, Gonzo and Collie would probably be more effective than Garcon. Against a big, physical corner, Garcon would likely be more effective. I just love the flexibility.
by CDECK on Oct 8, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
The colts will continue to rotate guys in depending on the oponent and what the defense is doing. Does it really matter who is in at WR as long as peyton is our QB? Looks like reggie was right during training camp he said the WR’s were going to be suprising some people this year
by coltsphalanx on Oct 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too small of a sample size to say that about Garcon yet, in my mind
Gonzo has about a season and a half of great play. Garcon has 4 games, and in his previous 4 (preseason) he lost the 3rd WR job to Collie because he couldn’t catch the football.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd forgotten about Garcon's pre-season drops.
That just shows how quickly he’s improved. Amazing.
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by Indy Lori on Oct 8, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing what a little confidence can do. And, his ability
to breakaway for large gains after the catch, as well as ‘persuade’ defenders not to tackle him is really getting my attention.
by Ayrshire on Oct 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pull a Patriots
Trade Reggie Wayne. It’s the only answer.
On the plus side, going five wide with Clark and the four receivers is going to give secondaries fits if we ever do it.
by eltharion_doa on Oct 8, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To quote Meg Ryan from "When Harry Met Sally"....
Yes! Yes! Yes!!!!!!
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by Bobman on Oct 8, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh,
I’m not sure about 5 wide. That leaves nobody in the backfield to pass block for Peyton. Do you really trust our O-line to hold them long enough on their own until Peyton can get the ball out? I’m not so sure they can.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they could
Who in their right mind would blitz when going against 5 receivers?
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 8, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing.
Peyton makes defensive coordinators around the league go crazy. We can’t count on them being in their right minds.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the routes
He might not need that much time and if they do blitz, we only have about 4 guys on the field who can catch the ball over the middle on a short release…
by eltharion_doa on Oct 8, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a dream
about the Colts going five wide…talk about picking you poison!!!
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we are short on knee jerk reactions around here
Where the hell are we, Bristol? Bullitt is better than Bob. Garcon is better than Gonzo. Collie and Gonzo are roughly equal. Ugoh is better than CJ who is better than Ugoh. SLOW DOWN.
I love Garcon. Love him. However, I think people are using their Jump to Conclusions Mats a bit too much. According to Peyton, Gonzo worked his ass off this last off season. He was primed for a break out year prior to his injury, and may still have one. Don’t forget, we’ve only played 1 division opponent. When we start playing teams that are used to seeing us, we are going to need a WR out there that is a little more familiar with the playbook.
Bob and Gonzo are going to make you eat your words.
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by shonuff on Oct 8, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
"Ugoh is better than CJ who is better than Ugoh."
Hehe…..
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Addai is finished, Keiaho sucks………..and on and on…
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell do we know anyway? We're just people with opinions. LOL
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by Indy Lori on Oct 8, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addai
i still believe in Addai!! plus keiaho does suck hes just been good cause the rest of the defense is doing most of the work for him
by Livemaxxx on Oct 8, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
hows anything wrong? u agreed keiaho sucks and all i said was i believe in addai
by Livemaxxx on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was being sarcastic when he said Keiaho sucked.
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by Indy Lori on Oct 8, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keiaho has shined in the absence of Brackett
He suprised the hell outta me. Hittin hard, fallin on fumbles….I thought it was a stupid move to keep him when they did a cut down, but boy am I glad thats their job and not mine cause Freddie has deffinatly stepped up and played well
by coltsfan723 on Oct 8, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on!
Knee jerk reactions are half the fun! Here’s a few more,……Manning is better than Painter, Clark is better than Robinson, Hayden is better than Jennings, and Brackett is better than Keiaho.
by Ayrshire on Oct 8, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coyer is better than Meeks.......
Colts are better than the Browns………Football is better than baseball……Sun is better than rain………Soda is better than water………..Chocolate chip ice cream is better than vanilla ice cream……..
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beer
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by BigBlueShoe on Oct 8, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chocolate chip ice cream
or chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream?
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like both,
but prefer it without cookie dough. The chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream always makes me thirsty.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed that, too
about cookie dough. Vanilla ice-cream isn’t that good, but French vanilla is the sh!t. lol
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mocha Almond Fudge........
Low on Melanin……..
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haagen Dazs Strawberry...
’nuff said.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Oct 8, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So here's what we all like:
Violent sports, and anything unhealthy to eat or drink. Throw in blogging, and we’re all set. My Mother would be so proud.LOL
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Oct 8, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget cartoons!!!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Oct 8, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially violent cartoons....
with explosives and pain!
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if someone would combine football and animation?
Great idea for a new cartoon.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Oct 8, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude!
Your name and profile pic are AWESOME!
“When I say who’s the master, you say Sho-Nuff…”
The Last Dragon was truly a cinematic masterpiece. You possess the power of the glow Bruce Leroy, never forget that…
by peytonsurdaddy on Oct 8, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
way 2 early 2 tell
I remember Gonzo put up some really nice numbers last year with harrison starting 1st to the right and gonzo to the slot. However i remember gonzo used to get massive yards when harrison couldnt play and gonzo took up number 2 for the time being. all im saying is give gonzo 1 year to show what he’s got.
just cause something’s HOT right now doesn’t mean it will be later on. That’s why veterans are so welcomed since its their stability that defines them
by Livemaxxx on Oct 8, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have to agree here
Gonzo has shown that he can produce even when facing good secondary for the last two years. Oh btw, what did you mean by “give gonzo 1 year to show what he’s got”? He already showed how much he’s capable of.
Garcon hasn’t really faced great secondary yet, and his drops in preseason is still lurking in my head right now. I’d think that Garcon being a project to replace Reggie in the future is better idea.
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 8, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bracket is better than keiaho
YEAH.. my belief is Bracket can do more than keiaho ever could with one leg
by Livemaxxx on Oct 8, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Who said Keiaho is better than Brackett. Brackett is the most underated MLB in the NFL in my estimation. Keiaho has done a good job filling in for him, especially in view of the fact that he is playing out of position. I think Freddie is a better LB than some folks here give him credit for. Just my opinion, which is like assholes, everybody has one.
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Cow
I looked up past combine results and…
Gonzo ran 4.44.
Garcon ran 4.48.
Collie ran 4.55.
So I really don’t understand why people are coming up with all these “Gonzo is slow” stuff. If any one is slow it’s Collie out of the 3.
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Oct 8, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand quoting combine results
Everyone slows with age, and Gonzo is the oldest of those 3. It’s not unreasonable to believe that he could lose a tenth of a second in a 40 time over a few years and that Garcon is faster than him now.
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Oct 8, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus running in a straight line is different
from running a route.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Oct 8, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they slow after their physical peak
I don’t think pegging the combine as their physical peak makes any more sense they any other date. In production WRs don’t usually decline until around 30 years old, so I don’t think speed would be likely to decline that much until around (likely a bit before) then.
Gonzalez turned 25 last month. Collie turns 24 next month (Mormon mission=old rookie) and Garcon is 23.
I think the offense is being taken at Collie vs Gonzo. I really don’t believe that Collie can outrun a healthy Gonzo, but Garcon-Gonzo I’d like to see.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
If gonzo starts out in the slot and garçon is moved to back up and collie is on the side line who exactly is lined up opposite Reggie????
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by Bama Blue on Oct 8, 2009 2:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
You guys are nuts
Gonzalez is the fastest receiver on the team since Hall left. Gonzalez catches roughly 80% of his total targets. Gonzalez shows up in big games and has been extremely productive in his two post season games. Gonzalez is phenomenal after the catch, he takes amazing angles and is deceptively fast. Gonzalez has the 6th fastest 3 cone drill of all time, which is one of the most important factors for a wide receiver or running back. I’ve actually seen both play and Gonzalez is a better receiver than Garcon.
That is all.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Oct 8, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd.
You need to stick around more.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1/2
to go with monstersbox’s +1
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gozo, Garcon and Collie
First Gonzo, is not slow, he ran a 4.44 forty, pre draft. He also led the team in average yards per catch last year, so he is not slow. His pre draft 40 time was much faster than Collie’s. His YAC of just over 4 yards a catch was best for the Colts last year, but, it was very average compared to the rest of the NFL, none of the Colts had a good YAC. He played Slot in College and was drafted to play the Slot for the Colts
His rookie year he got time on the outside because of a lingering injury to number 88, since then he had developed into a good outside threat. He is so good that when they drafted a receiver this year, they got a slot guy (in Collie) because they didn’t need an outside guy. That doesn’t change the fact that, at the time, he was drafted to play the Slot.
Next Garcon he is big and fast, his pre-draft 40 time was 4.42, just a touch faster than Gonzo. His size, he is 6’0" just like all the colts receivers, but, his weight is 210lbs, that’s 17lbs heavier than Gonzo, and 10lbs heavier than Collie and Wayne. He can run after the catch, he can block and he can run over people. He does have his problems, penalties and drops. His big play ability, and blocking, will keep him the rotation when Gonzo returns.
Collie he’s not big or fast, by NFL standards but, he gets it. He knows he’s not as athletic as the guys he plays with, he knows he is going to have to out work every body to get any playing time and he does. He runs great routs and catches every thing thrown his way. Although his 40 time was a pedestrian 4.56 his short shuttle time was a very respectable 4.07. He was drafted to be a slot guy; he runs precise tight routs and will be an excellent Slot receiver. He starting to show that he has clutch hands, getting a lot of first downs.
When Gonzo comes back, he will be inserted back into the starting line up, he’s earned, plus he shouldn’t lose that starting job because of an injury. The Colts will probably go with some sort of rotation working in both Collie and Garcon. He and Wayne will play some slot, allowing Garcon to get some opportunities to show off some of his big play abilities. On 3rd and 4th downs Collie will come in, to the Slot, with Gonzo and Wayne on the out side, and that will be the hands unit, Collie will be in there to make that clutch 1st down catch.
Defense is more important than breathing.
by BetterD on Oct 8, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Start 3 receivers, Clark and Addai
I can live without Robinson. It may hurt the running game a little, but with Garcon and Gonzalez on the outside with Reggie in the slot and Clark at tight end, why would you not pass?
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by Colts Homer on Oct 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We sort of need Robinson
To help out Charlie Johnson on the LT. He’s getting better, but he still really struggles against good pass rushers.
by eltharion_doa on Oct 8, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been liking Charjon Rohnson
so far. Been keeping Peyton’s backside clean so far pretty well.
Now if we can only do something about the Pollak/Diem combo.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer is clear...
When Gonzo comes back, he should start over Bullitt AND Sanders.
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
okay
what about Gonzo starting over CHarlie Johnson and Tony Ugoh?
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wildcat
Addai and Gonzo in the backfield with Peyton as blocking fullback.
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
by AceOfSpades on Oct 8, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now we're getting somewhere!
What about Foster in as wildcat QB, with Gonzo and Bob Sanders on either side of him, Peyton at slot WR, Melvin Bullitt split wide, along with Tim Jennings. On the defensive side of the ball, Tony Ugoh can start at safety for Sanders/Bullitt.
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My head hurts.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
na put foster in as fullback
put both running backs in and one of the three take the snap then either run, hand off or pass
by TheAngelsColts on Oct 8, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But don't forget everyone.
FOX says that Gonzo has a season-ending injury, so we won’t see Gonzo back at all this season.
/laughing at FOX’s stupidity
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Spaz,
Everybody knows Ugoh is gonna be spelling La Donald and Addai.
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, this sure turned out to be an active thread.........
Is there a bazzillion of us who need to get a life.
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it's a Thursday afternoon
what else do we have to do?
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supernatural, Fringe, and Flashforward
ITS A SCIFI GEEKS WET DREAM!
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fringe and The Office run at the same time
makes me sad. Though both go up on the network websites the next day so it’s not a big issue.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Shake.
You watching Iowa v. Penn St. on the Big Ton Network right now? You can see what you missed when you blacked out.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm.......
“Big Ton Network.” I’m sure there’s a joke in there somewhere.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am now
but it’s still a long ways until the good part.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The buildup to the good part
makes the good part that much better. Whenever I watch the 2006 AFC Championship game, I always watch it in full. It’s always more satisfying when you have to struggle for it.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well actually a good part is coming up
SAFETY!!!!!
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Binns owned that RT
bull rushed him onto his back and stripped Clark.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh
Up here in Canada we are spoiled. If you get the HD package, you get both Buffalo stations and seattle stations, so if I have, say, 3 shows at 9:00 that I want to watch, I can watch one at 9, tape one at 9, and watch/tape one at 12. It’s pretty awesome. Not to mention I get NFL Sunday Ticket, NBA Full Court, MLB Extra Innings, NHL Centre Ice, OHL/AHL Ice Pack all for $25 a month.
/not-so-veiled-brag.
Btw, you like Fringe? You didn’t strike me as the type :P
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*grumble grumble*
I’m in a dorm with a crappy TV. I’m lucky if the local station’s feed comes through. So jealous.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don't I seem like the type?
My geekery extends a ways beyond stats.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dunno
Its probably not you as much as I guess I didn’t think there were a lot of sci fi fans out there. But even if I werent a scifi fan, I find the acting in fringe (this sounds gay) is actually quite good. Even Dawson (he didnt actually play Dawson, right? Dawson is the QB from varsity blues? I’m not up to date on my teeny bopper pop culture) brings some good acting to the table.
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fringe
best show on TV that not a ton of people watch.
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
by AceOfSpades on Oct 8, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, its goodness. Only thing thats irritating me at the moment is the fact that charlie was alone with the shape shifter and no one thought to themselves, ‘hmm, maybe we should check this guy out, just to be safe.’
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely the best sci-fi on tv...
Now that Battlestar Galactica is gone.
/still misses it and cries into pillow at night
by peytonsurdaddy on Oct 8, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the Angels beat the Sox!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Oct 8, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the Cardinals beat the Dodgers!
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that works for me too.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Oct 8, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Cubs fan and someone that hates the Red Sox
I can safely say go Dodgers.
Just think of the suicide rate in the boston area if the Dodgers play the Yankees for the WS.
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a huge baseball fan.
I just watch around playoff time, but all of my extended family are HUGE Cardinals fans.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the best damn Colts blog..............
in the world……(sniff)
by tim55 on Oct 8, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, im the same
I really can’t stand baseball (or basketball for that matter), but there’s something about playoffs in all sports that draw me in.
For pure action and drama, hockey is the best sport out there (yes, I live in canada, but I’m american). Its fast paced and with the new rules you get to see people like Crosby and Ovechkin show you true skill. If none of you guys watch hockey, you really should!
Anyhow, back to baseball – I’ve loved the cubs since I was 7 or so and they had Gracie, the Hawk (Andre Dawson), Shawon Dunston, Greg Maddux, Ryne Sandberg, etc… Little did I know in the 80s that I was falling in love with a team of losers… It sort of set the stage for things to come, though:
Buckeyes, yes, they won, but tons of disappointment
Colts, yes, they won, but…
Cubs, zoinks
Penguins, just about to go into bankruptcy before Super Mario saved them
And then I moved to Toronto, so I’m living with a team that hasn’t sniffed a championship in 42 years.
by SpazMo on Oct 8, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me, neither
I’ll root for anyone expect the Red Sox. A buddy of mine had to explain some of the rules to me because I just didnt’ understand; I felt like an idiot, lol. However I think a lot people watch around the playoffs time anyway,
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can make yourself feel better
by explaining the rules of football in detail to a man and make him feel like an idiot.
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by Cassieper on Oct 8, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna try that on my uncle
He says that I don’t know anything about basketball, but if he insults my football knowledge, which I got from you guys, it’s goin’ down!
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O.T. ( but nearly everything in the post is ;-) )
shake, have you seen MTV’s list for the hottest MCs 2009? If you haven’t, here’s MTV’s ranking:
1. Jay-Z
2. Lil’ Wayne
3. Drake
4. Kanye West
5. Rick Ross
6. Gucci Mane
7. Yung Jeezy
8. Fabulous
9. 50 Cent
10. Raekwon
First of all, I don’t know what gives MTV the right to say who’s the hottest MCs right now when the channel doesn’t even play music videos! It only shows the The Hills and 16 and Pregnant! It’s lost all of it street cred.
Second, it saddens me that most of the garbage on this list is hot meaning that it’s popular rather than good. However, 50 Cent is popular anymore; he’s a joke. And Gucci Mane over Jeezy?!?! Are you serious?!?! Drake’s good, but dude just came out; and if this is the hottest MCs, then why isn’t Soulja Boi not on this list. He’s hot? The rap game is just pathetic now…smh
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by KMR24 on Oct 8, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm usually a bit behind the times on the music scene
I haven’t even heard of Gucci Mane and I still only have one song from Drake.
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by shake n bake on Oct 8, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to point out that Gonzo is a better asset to the team now, because, not only does Manning favor him, he has better hands than Garcon. Deep speed is worthless if the hands aren’t consistent. For now, Gonzo is the obvious choice. If i were Caldwell, i’d just run some 4 and 5 receiver spreads. With our receiving corps, no secondary will be able to compete.
by bluefacedcolts on Oct 8, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All I know is that Peyton isn't at all concerned about Gonzo coming back
and that’s enough for me.
by jedye on Oct 8, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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